Is Meditation REALLY That Good On Lillith? (Paladins Wild Hoard Update)

[@odinsonjr0240]

To think that was a 3-1 game and you got that much healing, imagine if it kept going to 3-3. Would have probably been 500k+

[@skillsurge8695]

it's way harder then you think to pull off those numbers in a real match especially in one where you're targetted and not let sit out of position the entire game and still heal like we just saw 😆. I've been in a 30 minute game(in itself is hard to find because even 3-3 games are typically 20-25 minutes) with a better set of tanks and i got 465k. Admitedly there's a very small amount of movements i could've done better but that wouldn't have raised the healing numbers.(was a ranked game with a mixture of diamond and masters players) Anything above 400k takes mastery over a champion (if someone hasnt mastered a champion and gets those numbers its mostly going to be due to the enemies not trying to challenge them at all - Edit: essentially them playing a glorified sumo game)

[@skillsurge8695]

500k may have been possible back then but it's definitely not possible now with all the nerfs to the point tanks since then and the changes made in other areas

[@stickyricky7089]

Dont forget antihealing and in a normal match with good player the healer shouldnt be untouched like that

[@linklight2]

The swarm bug is very consistent; if you start charging swarm right after you hex something, your next swarm will bug.

[@IOSALive]

AndrewChicken, I love your channel so much, I just had to subscribe!

[@douglasmaynor1420]

Blood bath works well in this situation when your tanks actually stay in swarm and you can hex your flanks and damage

[@ysgramorssoupspoon2261]

Now lilith just needs a talent that makes her swarm not deal damage

[@frostfuchs8511]

Exactly my thought, maybe rework the middle talent to be like swarm deals no dmg but has a bigger circle or something

[@jobvermuyen5382]

Lol andrew talked about that in this vid. It would be such a nerf.

[@jobvermuyen5382]

​@@frostfuchs8511and with the second talent you can get really fun playstyles, just hugging enemies and dealing tons of damage while being a tank. The definition of dmg lilly.

[@frostfuchs8511]

@@jobvermuyen5382 well then maybe just bring back 4 talents like back in the days, and yeah the dmg cut would hurt her dmg output a ton but just praying that nobody runs into your swarm makes the item not realy usable like hw showd in the shooting range

[@zakaryrichmond396]

I would def use a boosted healing no damage swarm talent

[@NekoNelxD]

It's funny because the video is supposed to Try veteran with Lilith but if you look closely throughout the video you don't even see Andrew let veteran activate by always shooting.

[@HeavyShores]

Kinessa gets a one shot with trigger scent

[@bigcsbigbrother3685]

That's what I'm afraid of. Strix too. But think about how crazy evie, buck vatu, even moji, can't forget about bk and Cassie are going to be with trigger scent. Not to mention Caspian. Honestly they need to take that item out of the game yea?

[@GravityApproaching]

@@bigcsbigbrother3685 not really haven uhhh i mean armor plating, arcane warding, and veteran now cheaper with insane scaling

[@bigcsbigbrother3685]

@GravityApproaching yea good point. There are still ways to counter it too huh

[@Simontdrhd]

She doesn’t

[@Simontdrhd]

@@bigcsbigbrother3685he doesn’t neither

[@GamewizDeluxe]

Nice find!!! Gonna have to try lilith more... 👍

[@Archbishop_of_the_Noodle]

Meditation counts for the self-healing stats for the end screen.

[@OnJayBro]

I gave palidans a try and i just noticed that no matter what i always end up playing with a support

[@Arch-Luster]

When is the koga video coming pls. I want to see his thoughts on the buffs.

[@jobvermuyen5382]

Its already out right?

[@Arch-Luster]

yes it is this was 11 days ago bruh@@jobvermuyen5382

[@hugoalcantarau]

Waning moon got change? now you gotta mark an enemy instead of an ally right?

[@duncanmyth3897]

It's good cause lilith can only regen 2k hp out of combat without hex,, hence u can retreat and prevent staggering

[@mirius4665]

i remember Lilith not having out of combat regen like the other characters, just her hp going up until 2000 and then would stop. Did they change that? If not i dont see why meditation should have the effect it has now on lillith

[@anatithe5358]

Na, she still regens to 1875 out of combat naturally but meditation ignores that and heals her to full.

[@emotrashgarbage2276]

Yeah she still doesn't regen to full naturally

[@mayauppstad9883]

Does meditation work with koga's self damage talent? Like does he put himself in combat by dealing damage to himself?

[@jobvermuyen5382]

I think so yes, getting damage or doing damage makes you in combat so im not sure but i think it doesnt work

[@mayauppstad9883]

@@jobvermuyen5382 yeah, i ended up checking the wiki. It says he is considered to be in combat during it. So it unfortunately doesn't work.

[@antalito3047]

I mean theoretically this works but why would you want to be out of combat? Not to mention that you use your swarm to heal the tank on point and usually you have the other tank there was well which means you are doing dmg so you won’t be out of combat. So this really doesn’t mean much for her

[@drdickenbalz]

Yeah to even consider meditation to be a worthwhile buy signals that this guy shows such a frightening lack of understanding about the game. Imagine being so unaware that you think being out of combat is something that happens often or something to strive for. Definitely some silver level mentality not understanding how value works.

[@monolithmask3910]

seven is broken again, i think he needs to make more noise during his movement ability so he's easier to track, compare him to most flanks and he makes almost no sound in comparison, at least when buck is tearing up my backline i can hear that he is doing it and turn around to try and kill him. also i think the invis on grapple should be the removed. somone that mobile should be easier to keep track of

[@mrbee8336]

Nah

[@NSFWTHICC]

Nah

[@trailmix1013]

Crazy healing there...def had a great comp and tanks for huge heals.

[@TheNuclearNova]

I've found bloodbath to be deceptively effective. Even just the tier 1. Yeah cauterize will stifle it some, but that extra bit of healing can still make an impact. Naturally it's most effective on Jenos and grover, but lillith can proc it pretty consistently since Hex lasts a solid chunk of time.

[@Venormous98]

Hey Andrew, I'd love for you to try out Vii magdump cause personally I've stopped playing cause of this exact playstyle....its too reminiscent of the initial vii that caused a massive player drop back in the day when Vii was new. Please cover it and do as much as you can to bring highlight to how overpowered it is.

[@yosifmohamed105]

Andrew can you test how the bloodbath item works on some healers like jenos

[@jobvermuyen5382]

With meditation lilly i feel like you want to play differently i feel. More just hiding backline only placing hexes and swarms, not really pushing up (with your swarms) or shooting to really get the regen and value of meditation, just a never ending healing pool. You lose damage, but you could use cursed accord, with which you already lose damage so its not that big of a deal. Just play more cautiously, passively and defensively instead of a push heal while damaging healer

[@drdickenbalz]

And how do you expect to win like that? You want to turn a character that's already mostly a healbot into EVEN MORE of a useless healbot? When will people learn that healbots don't work in a game with free 90% anti heal, like that should be completely obvious. Meditation is useless trash and this channel is keeping you in dogshet elo by listening to all the stupidity.

[@jobvermuyen5382]

@@drdickenbalz i dont say you dont want to deal damage, but especially in early game you can fall back a bit also why are you here if this feeds you dog sh*t?

[@gm2085]

can you use meditation with seris? basically getting out of combat with her shadow travel and getting out full health?

[@gaberyan6283]

Yes.

[@doxy6548]

Would blood bath not be good on her??? I use blood bath on most of my supports

[@jobvermuyen5382]

I just played lilly in a match with meditation 3 on siege of ascension peak, and we had like one of the worst comps for lilly, with buck and evie (and koa/saati) but i still managed in a 4/3 match to get 180k heals. All that while im far from the best lilith. Edit: I used the last talent. Murderous intent i think its called right? Or did they change the name. Its a really fun talent against yag rn, u place a swarm on her and just start mini gunning the hell out of yag

[@theplayzpaidoff]

Idk why I didn't think about this.

[@riotman3579]

I thought it wouldn't affect her red health bar

[@man275]

It shouldn’t that seems op and meditation is cheap 😢

[@ChaosTheStrange]

They did mention that Meditation also scales off of things like Raum's Soul Armor, so it's not that shocking to me. Anything that affects your Max HP's number should affect Meditation.

[@IamAlleycat]

@@man275it is, but practically it’s almost useless since you’re most likely getting damaged by at least a flank and shooting back

[@koromau3854]

@@man275 The way lillith is she is in combat most of the time when healing (because her circle deals damage), I don't think its gonna be a huge deal. It'll just be helpful for when she stranded alone and hidden for the most part.

[@Thiagomottaa]

lot of paladins in my cahnnel would you say that

[@mikehawk1856]

Lilith was already very strong and now she’s even stronger if you don’t finish her off… Now cursed of accord will ve kinda meh now

[@mikehawk1856]

I see you future commenters reading that first line 🤨🤨🤨

[@a.k.axurai5678]

huh? cursed accord has always been the worst talent. its for noobs in casuals.

[@Karu_TC]

​@@a.k.axurai5678 I'd argue Maelstrom of Carnage takes worst talent spot

[@a.k.axurai5678]

@@Karu_TC skill issue lol.

[@BASEDROBBERSPONGE234]

meditation is great to force players pursuing. or at least i'm using mediation that way, not necessarily for healing

[@bigcsbigbrother3685]

Hang on, since when does using your abilities consider you "still in combat?" That a new change?

[@anatithe5358]

Yeah but no old K2H anymore, so she won some but she lost some.

[@a.k.axurai5678]

You do know that wasn't that great right? her main items were always nimble, haven, chronos, and morale boost.

[@anatithe5358]

@@a.k.axurai5678 It was one of her BiS items if you were a good Lillith, Nimble is useless for my playstyle, Chronos is detrimental without K2H if you're running MI (well not anymore), Haven just made you an absolute tank. Rushing Morale Boost was a no brainer.

[@Hydroelectirc]

You rock! Cancel That!

[@kusolp544]

short answer no

[@darkstalkerknight63]

hey. hey. AndrewChicken. stop shooting. there were many times it was going to kick in but you kept shooting.

[@war4nk394]

Imposible in match

[@Vorunaisnotawerewolf]

Wtf this needs to be fixed 😂😂😂

[@anatithe5358]

Not when Grover and Io exist in the form they do now. Lilith isn't even that commonly played.

[@helenmontgomery5786]

Second

[@KarsynMoore]

First

[@man275]

It shouldn’t affect blood health that’s op

[@Chr0n0s38]

Not really since she struggles to stay OoC. The swarms do damage which resets that timer. Also means you can't spam for 5s which hurts ult gen. Keeping blood health high isn't too hard if you manage hex properly. He basically never had meditation proc and never ran out of blood health unless a tank rushed him down and killed him.

[@man275]

@@Chr0n0s38 might be spitting

[@koromau3854]

op how? did you watch the video? It barely had any effect in his match. Whenever lillith places her main source of healing, chances are someone touches it and keeps you in combat. Its good for her sure, but not in the way it seemed like in the shooting range.