Is MegaLag WRONG About Honey?

►HelloPartner accused Megalag of being wrong about the Honey scam. They also indirectly defended Pie Ad Blocker. Let me know what you guys think about this situation in the comments below.
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[@DeepHumor]

HelloPartner claims MegaLag was wrong about Honey. Let me know what you guys think...

[@Jackthegamer198]

i think its a i think its a carrot

[@dariuszg.8026]

@@Jackthegamer198 I also think its caroot

[@AAthirteenthirteen]

@@Jackthegamer198 Legendary.

[@JulieEnha]

HelloPartner? More like HelloLiar, this whole article is bull💩

[@mr.lizard666]

@@Jackthegamer198 It's is a carrut

[@operator_alpha644]

"this article was sponsored by honey"

[@Wheatly_Portal2]

Hold on is that true? Very scummy that they try to do that. But no need to assume it’s fake accordingly. However, as long as it’s true, it’s still evidence. Maybe they hired a lawyer to make good counter evidence, or maybe they’re just lying. A lot of buissnessess try to cover up, and honey probably saw this coming. Anyways I don’t really know what to think abt this.

[@My_Personal_Taste]

Was it really?

[@SuperPlayz]

It is not sponsored this is just misleading information, I can see what you are trying to say this is just a false statement

[@RedKitten64]

@@SuperPlayzTheir comment was supposed to be a joke. Just saying.

[@SuperPlayz]

@RedKitten64 I’m aware but it seems like some people are actually being mislead

[@Gilgamesh_King_Of_Uruk]

"They aren't scammers, they only scam you 50% of the time"

[@TheGrayVR]

“Yeah guys they aren’t scammers, they’re half scammers!”

[@SawyerJensen69]

Yeah just like Clash Royale Matchmaking IMAO lol!!!

[@RaoulGigondas]

"60% of the time, they scam you every time"

[@CZghost]

Honey is like Thanos. They take 50% of all commissions. :D

[@biomecraft356]

Considering a LITERAL LAWYER is planning a lawsuit against Honey, yeah no, this article is not going to hold a candle to the accusations.

[@WeAllWitnessed]

As opposed to a metaphorical lawyer?

[@biomecraft356]

@WeAllWitnessed or an allegorical lawyer.

[@FuneFox]

​@@WeAllWitnessed *METAPHORICAL LAWYER

[@christopherg2347]

Not considering a lawsuit. Already filed a lawsuit.

[@AnonymouslyForgotten]

I’m not saying I disagree but just because a lawyer or anyone with authority is doing something, doesn’t mean they are in the right. There’s lawyers who have advocated for segregation, slavery, and malicious business practices after all. I don’t know much about all the lawyers filling the lawsuit, but considering they’re all KZbinr lawyers, this could also be an attempt to bring attention to their channels. Also, based on the videos I’ve seen, where each lawyer discussed their intentions, they don’t seem to be 100% privy in all the inner workings of the laws surrounding affiliate marketing. So they could very well be wrong, at least in the context of online business laws. Of course, I know nothing about them so don’t take anything I’m saying as factual or even based on a minuscule of evidence. I’m just saying that just because someone important is advocating for an argument, that doesn’t mean they are right. Regardless, what Honey is doing to content creators is definitely unethical, regardless of the legality of it.

[@bluekidkid2]

So honey basically said "nuh uh"

[@YSNostalgia]

yeah in so many words (and by that i mean TOO many words)

[@rezorus8832]

What I got out of that article was people still probably shouldn't use it even if MegaLag was wrong. Honey is, by there own admission, very inconsistent and basically does nothing for you.

[@RaoulGigondas]

Not to mention, the first thing they probably did after Megalag's bombshell was to take the worst-offending code offline. So how it behaves now proves nothing about how it previously worked.

[@Dusty_Lime]

Nah, this is just a huge nonsense burger Hello Partner is either being payed or "gently suggested" to write the article, or more likely, they know they can attract attention with a clickbaity title like that, and then spend the entire article trying to justifice the title, with a ton of unnecesary filler, for something that could easily be explained in a single paragraph But that's the news industry for you, and it clearly did get someone clicking on their website (you), but we appreciate you taking one for the team, so we know that there wasn't anything worth reading in the artcicle (if they actually had made a good point, people would obviously be rushing to share it for an opportunety to latch on to the popularity of this entire scandal)

[@zdelrod829]

I've got the red yarn and cork board (MS Paint) ready, and am gonna try to connect the people of Hello Partner with any possible links to PayPal, using public info (i.e. SEC filings, LinkedIn, etc.)

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

This article made me think Honey was even bigger of a scam. 👍

[@zdelrod829]

I mean, having 2 people directly working for PayPal and PayPal Honey on their 'Hero 100' list, does make me think that there are some backroom dealings.

[@Luigi_bros4321]

LMAO, I JUST CHECKED THE ARTICLE AND ITS LITERALLY SPONSORED BY HONEY. WHAT A JOKE.🤣

[@Deadbushia]

the humor deepens....

[@DeepHumor]

Thank you for your donation!

[@-Its_Me_AG-]

W

[@SawyerJensen69]

@-Its_Me_AG-W Chain

[@Ankibank2000]

@@SawyerJensen69 The way to start a chain is not to say it's a chain, just continue it

[@1Raptor85]

Dexter Dethmers legitimately sounds like a low effort villain name

[@ChikenChomper]

Maybe cause dexter is already a villain name and you're thinking about that

[@lamechannelboring4008]

So what they're defending is that Honey isn't a scam because the event of Mega lag video are just coincidence and that Honey should normally work fine but they also have no way to prove themselves right. I don't man the wording was weird it's like they were trying to tip toe around the subject where basically they weren't agreeing with Mega lag claim but they weren't really denying it. (Also what the name of your background music in tte first half of tte video it was really good)

[@b1b-O7]

"We've done an investigation on ourselves, and we have found ourselves innocent"

[@Proto34-w2r]

I’m not defending honey but will people stfu with that? People are allowed to defend themselves. That the most flawed logic I have ever heard. By that logic, no one is allowed to defend themselves. Well, looks like I pissed off the twitter users

[@SawyerJensen69]

@@Proto34-w2rstill vibe with that you guys don’t always have to be cussin’ IMAO lol!!!

[@gaerekxenos]

Honestly, it seems more like they have proven themselves guilty despite trying to say otherwise... but same sentiment on the 'we have investigated ourselves' deal

[@froggy5748]

@@Proto34-w2rdefending yourself is different from “we had another company that we own investigate us and they found nothing wrong :)”

[@b1b-O7]

@@Proto34-w2r you ok bro?

[@FADTprl_7]

I think, hear me out, this article may or may not have been sponsored... by Honey

[@foogod4237]

"MegaLag was wrong, because Honey says they didn't do it. Well, not actually Honey, but some guy who we happened to find who used to work for Honey once, and has no idea what they're like now, but he said they didn't do it in the past, so that's basically the same thing, maybe. And what MegaLag showed happening doesn't actually happen. Except it does happen, sometimes, but, y'know, not _every_ time. And even if it does happen, it might theoretically not be that important. Maybe. And some random anonymous guy said he looked at stuff, and it looks OK to him, so that should be good enough, right? And their rewards aren't crappy! They're just _sorta_ crappy, sometimes, or a lot of the time, maybe, but who can say? We sure can't!" If it weren't so clearly serious, I'd be convinced this article was actually some sort of attempt at satire... Fortunately, because there's _an actual lawsuit_ about a bunch of this now, we won't have to keep guessing based on unidentified hearsay like this. Many of the facts about whether these things actually are or aren't happening, and how much, will be actually decided as a matter of law eventually. (Unfortunately, though, that could take a while...)

[@SilharaTheChosen]

Dang, felt like I was rereading the article word for word for a second there.

[@AceRubo]

short answer: no long answer: no, they're using an essay extender or something

[@ChillDragon]

Chat GPT levels of filler lol

[@SawyerJensen69]

@@ChillDragonChatGPT lol Chain

[@Josephcavagnaro]

I'm more inclined to believe MegaLag as honey NEVER Saved me ANY Money.

[@lorenztor1990]

Something tells me this Hello Partner which I've never heard of, is probably owned by paypal.

[@zdelrod829]

It's a UK Based company

[@RetrospectivePerson]

We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.

[@murrethmedia]

"We investgated ourselves and determined we did nothing wrong."

[@TheSilentWalkerz]

Honey’s defence “It was only a white lie!” 😂😂😂 I’m only lying by omission!

[@diegopadilla6469]

I feel like the article is made by honey related people

[@AboyfromFlorida]

"Deep Humor was bamboozled when he saw this article that Honey definitely didn't get involved in"

[@luminousherbs]

pro tip: sometimes you can avoid paywalls by inspecting the page and deleting the div that corresponds to the paywall. this only works on badly designed websites where your browser gets sent the full text before the paywall is applied

[@elementalcreeper2419]

I think id rather trust megalag than a corporation, especially and article ysing an „expert“ usually experts are open about their name and who they are so others can reach out to them, the entire article just seems like excuses layered on excuses

[@TatharNuar]

4:40 No, they're saying they do it because they're "allowed to do it" or "the affiliate network didn't stop us from doing it"

[@UserAccount-ThisOne]

one: this is 100% an ai generated article that might have had someone preview it beforehand two: headline culture has gotten so bad you probably dont wanna trust any article that says anything dramatic in its headline anymore three: PLEASE TELL ME YOU USED A FAKE/BURNER EMAIL PLEASE DUDE, i have horror stories of people putting their emails into those websites and seeing some insane stuff in their inboxes.

[@Reaper_FN_real]

They must be smoking that wacky tobaccy. Or 100 dollar bills (after they got paid off by Honey)

[@RainbowDashShadesOfApproval]

"It was a recently added feature" that was slip up. The affiliate link switch up was intentional. And, this was intentional. There is no way you can accidently program "whoops daisies we have your money now."

[@ColinJWiens]

Yeah, considering they've always admitted it via email reply in the past

[@gemgem-hl7ii]

Wow this article is like a recipe, you have to scroll down a giant wall of text before the actual content. And it's unreliable too, the only source being someone anonymous who cannot prove he works with honey.

[@i3lue]

The article seems to be written to force you to read alot to encounter more ads. Personally, it seems like it has a bit of a bias towards something....

[@lololordjr]

Begun the coupon wars have

[@Reaper_FN_real]

The end of an era.

[@SawyerJensen69]

@@Reaper_FN_realYeah Fr!!!

[@Michael_wita-1-insteadofan-L]

On the topic of the Honey Gold situation, Megalag wasn't (Unless I misremember) trying to say that the honey gold is 'lousy' but to compare that, in that situation, more money would have been made if he hadn't used honey. On the topic of the affiliate link situation, as well, while there are probably more complexities in how it works than Megalag described, that still doesn't change the blatant evidence given that honey DOES steal money from the creators that would otherwise be paid by the referral. Also, being paid for sponsorships while having the affiliate link from said sponsorship doesn't change the fact that they are still stealing (edit: I realized on my own that the part of the article I was referencing in my head doesn't mention this, but my point still stands). They are playing like they're robin hood: stealing from your favorite creators who already make money from the sponsorships that gave them the affiliate links, and claim to give you the "best coupons out there" and that "if honey doesn't find them, they don't exist" when they are very obviously rigged to give you the coupons they are being bribed to show you, if they even find any. Edit: even if we assume that everything I said is wrong: "WHERE DOES HONEY GET THE MONEY?"

[@rhodeislandballproductions8781]

"They're not a scam! The owner of honey said so! And, they only scam you sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!"

[@Scrollguest6981-m7o]

I havnt watched yet but ima assume no

[@M9RMmR-i4x]

Same here

[@lefebvrere]

As someone that actually watched the video the whole way through, my answer is still a resounding 'no'

[@SawyerJensen69]

@@M9RMmR-i4xSame Here Chain

[@Fredrick_Turner]

I hate articles so much, they spend ages getting to the point

[@40088922]

"nah, partner, Honey ain't a scam. taking credit for sale tracking and affiliate is a practice, also, the little pop-up doesn't appear ALL the time. trust me, a guy who made a lot of money there told me some of it is fine and the people working for the company are real nice too"

[@Pyrablitz]

a scam is a scam end of story

[@ImperatorSomnium]

Now you know when they say "the internet is dead"

[@randomgeocacher]

AI garbage text? So much text so little content. Maybe human did some input/editing/directing but no human can output so much text without any messaging. Maybe it is a firehouse of lies tactic “I cannot deal with this, but it must be true since someone wrote so much”…

[@galacticlava1475]

The fact that honey blatantly admitted to taking the affiliate commissions in the first few minutes of Megalag’s video debunks basically all points made in this article.

[@reilysmith5187]

I havent heare them actually debunk anything Megalab said. Just saying that the scamming portion isnt scamming because its industry practice. Lol

[@Quayleman]

So megalaged faked honey removing the affiliate tag?

[@BubblegumSempai]

Still, even if they're not stealing the affiliate income, they're stealing the analytics, which I would think - I'm not a lawyer here - is contract tampering of some sort.

[@H3n7yx76]

This might be the DogPack404 situation 2.0

[@mr.lizard666]

well megalag wasnt doing this out of his own benefit, hes exposed other scams like the color blind glasses

[@Grumpy12748]

What happened with him?

[@zabianreubens4989]

@@Grumpy12748 He was revealed to be an Ex Mr beast employee and caused alot of drama because he got fired for various reasons in short, Theres a buncha videos on it.

[@destinyallen1749]

It won't.

[@panduvandal]

Gone​@@Grumpy12748

[@TatharNuar]

11:55 This contradicts what LTT said on the forums about why they cut ties

[@lumer2b]

This feels like it was written by AI, they can't even pay for a real writer to lie?

[@adamdynasoft]

so basically they agree with megalag, they are just downplaying it.

[@MightyMattTM]

Someone really wrote this article. They took the time to sit there, and write a string of sentences and paragraphs in this order to make this article. They wrote this citing a couple sources close to PayPal and honey. They had all that time to think about what they were writing, who they used as these sources, and the implication of that, and not once did they stop and think "People are going to see write through this, aren't they?"

[@clintmichigan9112]

Your new word for the day is opprobrium.... work it into one sentence

[@artificialbff]

Waiting for one of these affiliate/marketing blogs to step up and out "Andy" as a member of Honey's PR team. 😂

[@BeyondReality522]

These 'sources' are from ex-employees and random anonymous experts. I don't know if I can trust these sources

[@joshward7009]

I really, really hate to be this guy, but it feels a little dishonest to make a video called "Is MegaLag Wrong About Honey?" and then go on to admit that you don't know enough about the topic to weigh in, instead using the whole monetized(?) video to read an article someone else wrote. You've got a good voice and sense for making videos, but this kind of thing turns me off a whole lot

[@extrovertedintrovert2900]

If you hate to be this guy, then don’t be this guy

[@allyzapena1001]

The fact that macdoesit lost sponsors and affiliates after honey got mainstream tells a lot about honeys scummy money making process.... I hope devin, wendover and his team of other lawyers win this case

[@robertm20]

me when i need 5000 words ahh article

[@LoganPatterson-u2z]

The first stage is denial

[@BTMYYY]

GibThom making his own crypto coin scares me a lot

[@several_goblins]

"They let us do it, so it can't be a scam"

[@TheNutCaseNetwork]

Not Sandy Cheeks 🤣🤣🤣

[@DeepHumor]

Finally, someone commented on it lmao

[@TheNutCaseNetwork]

@ Listen 🤣 I was cracking UP! Literally lol’d

[@benalar2290]

Their entire argument is completely beside the point. Honey simply does not do affiliate marketing, because it does NOTHING to promote sales, so it should NEVER get a commission. The entire monetization scheme is a scam. The fair way would be to take a percentage of the money that it saves the customer. Find a coupon that saves 10%, give 8% to the customer and 2% to honey, win-win. But I guess that wouldn't be worth $4 billion...

[@nilsson.h.magnus]

Since this article was posted after the exposure I would say that it's likely that Honey changed how the extension works to try to downplay everything thus explaining a potential different behavior now

[@Mamyschn1_3]

-Not ChatGPT

[@SilentDProductions]

Honey is just big mad and can't take an L from what I'm getting from this chapter book of a response. Thanks for the vid, DH!!!

[@turowa]

Even if MegaLag is wrong, Honey should not exist as it currently stands and every single person who was affected by this “oops if it only happens SOMETIMES” deserves recompense. The article is claiming to not diss MegaLag or in support of PayPal Honey which is very centrist in stance. And while I understand it is good to remain neutral, I think in this case to remain neutral in this scenario is ultimately standing in FAVOR of PayPal Honey. This extension was PURCHASED FOR FOUR BILLION DOLLARS. And with that 4 BILLION DOLLARS, the PayPal Honey team worked to steal money out of affiliate’s back pockets. The money they use to pay their bills and feed themselves with. Accidental? Doesn’t matter. Face the actions of your consequences. The average person does! Why should this corporation and their team not face their consequences? Pay up.

[@AidenRKrone]

If KZbin "content creators" are having affiliate marketing money snatched out from under their metaphorical feet, I don't have a problem with that. KZbinrs shouldn't be making as much money as they are. They should get real jobs instead of talking into a camera and pretending that they're doing real work.

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

i find it halarious that honey says we dont override affiliate links yet there's proof this article is just pr damage control

[@trolmaso]

They're trying the Chewbacca defense strat 💀

[@MobileDecay]

I guess there's more people to look into based on those"Former employees" statements. 🤔

[@madcow5833]

Got here because of your Musk video. Like what I am seeing, liked, subscribed and hit the bell thingie.

[@DeepHumor]

Thank you :)

[@My_Rigga_Toni]

What I find funny about this article; particularly where the majority of the claim is 'It doesnt aways do this so Megalag is wrong' ; Megalag *addresses* this already. Its in the later part of the video he states that sometimes the codes would actually work, and sometimes they didn't poach affiliate links. Megalag explains there's a reason for this, which is implied to be honey messing with businesses. So saying it only happens sometimes just lends to Megalag's claim as to *why* it only happens sometimes. This article just gives more credence to his point 😂

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

honey is a legal grey area, while not outright illegal, and following industry "standards" it's not actually ethical, or honest.

[@RoterFruchtZwerg]

It's true that utm_ tags are for Google analytics. It's basically impossible to know what exactly the merchant site does to track affiliates. But if Honey had a kinda special relationship with the merchant, why would it still need to open "regular" affiliate links during checkout instead of triggering a special honey endpoint? Most merchants probably won't implement a special Honey endpoint, so Honey is treated like all other affiliates. So I still think it overrides way too much.

[@ProtoDeVNan0]

Interesting. Can't wait to see a response from MegaLag.

[@iamtafara]

Then they put a “share this article” link at the bottom. Why d anyone share an article like this

[@JessicaFEREM]

websites can see what extensions you have in the browser. it wouldn't be hard to just ban the user from accessing the website if they have honey installed. I would recommend someone look into that.

[@mmkanashiro]

"it only changes the tracking cookie" yeah, so the sponsor thinks the creator wasn't as effective as they should and won't pay as much as they paid last time this still isn't good at all "if they are not signed up to the programme directly it may be very difficult for them to know when to show or not show their popup", honey could be getting millions of dollars, do think they would let something like that stop them?

[@jeremydale4548]

100% Honey paid them to write the article to try to do damage control. Also, their TOS has something about forced arbitration. Not only should forced arbitration be illegal, but if you blatantly break the law like Honey clearly is, than you shouldn't get to hide behind the TOS.

[@JessicaFEREM]

It would be one thing if they took affiliate if there wasn't an already established affiliate cookie, but they are. whether it's incompetence or greed it's still very illegal, and both are bad.

[@wildwesley9328]

they forgot the tl;dr :we're not scammers cause it's a nuanced situation, and the other guy was misinformed, and these two random guys who used to work for us say so, and the title of the article is so biased it must be true.

[@gardenpop]

In the end all I got is that, 1. some sights and places have systems in place to stop Honey's practices sometimes, this is inconsistent though and Honey can still fuck with the purchase. 2. there is no explanation for the claims that Honey manipulates businesses and hides shit from consumers.

[@robertmcnally9305]

So Honey isn’t a scam yet Legaleagle is filing a class action suit against them? Ok, seems legit. Not

[@Silverrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

How rambunctious

[@befell.4097]

I guess we would see how wrong their point is in court)

[@Quayleman]

He proved it with surf shark

[@Tekay37]

Oh the cherry-picked example of bananarepublic is very deceptive. Honey simply doesn't have it's own affiliate Link, so it can't apply one. That's why it tells the user to "tell them, that they want honey cash-back". If enough users do that, it'll be a DDoS-attack on the customer service of that page, essentially bullying the shop into a deal with honey. Nice try though. Almost fell for it.

[@Pretzelina.]

i was on this article this morning

[@SawyerJensen69]

Haha lol Chain

[@tennoframe]

if he got it wrong there wont be a class action lawsuit by legaleagle, who is a genuine lawyer

[@SuperPlayz]

You can sue for anything, its just up to the courts to decide wrongdoing.

[@AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent]

tldr: nah

[@nemesisundead83]

Yeah I don't trust that article

[@archae165]

Saw the notification, clicked instantly lol

[@SawyerJensen69]

lol chain

[@septembersighter]

11 MINUTES AGO BOIII NO ONE HAS FINISHED THE VIDEO YET

[@chrism596]

No.

[@thecooldudes69420]

Uhh.

[@OfficialLamarBerry]

Wow,just wow

[@jeremikepeak]

heh.

[@jennygholson]

I love your videos 😊

[@WilliamAfton-n7d]

Clickbait ass title

[@Viper_ls_Alive]

I know exactly why KZbinrs pushed it. They 100% knew that honey took their “revenue” away. But they get paid shit for their affiliate codes/links accepting a Honey sponsor gave them more in a shorter length of time Than the less in a longer length of time they’d get from affiliate codes

[@Z01Xy]

yeah that's a conspiracy theory, get disliked.

[@Viper_ls_Alive]

@@Z01Xy I’m sorry my words hurt you lmfao

[@shoaibhasan7404]

@@Viper_ls_Alive are you sensitive to a joke

[@Viper_ls_Alive]

@@shoaibhasan7404 No?

[@IronWolf123]

Y'now if an article requires signing up it is worthless and full of shit

[@CorbettsComix]

Hi