Is modern motorcycle tech getting too intrusive?

[@thewatcher5271]

If You Can't Operate A Motorcycle On A Hill, Then You Shouldn't Be Operating A Motorcycle.

[@WeAreChecking]

I don't entirely disagree but people gotta learn somehow. For ze überbusinessman who is the target demographic for this bike who frequently live in urban areas, places and the time to learn can be quite rare. Not necessarily defending it, but there is a reason it exists.

[@JohnJones-qj8dm]

Exactly. A motorcycle is already set up perfectly to take off on an incline

[@coltonmullins2274]

@@WeAreCheckingjust find a hill and practice lol. BMW is just packing features to charge more.

[@stevenbartel5008]

​@@WeAreCheckingif you don't have any time to learn basic things like driving on a hill then you should just not drive at all

[@moteroargentino7944]

@WeAreChecking The problem is that the perfect two wheeled vehicle for that kind of scenario already exists: the scooter. The guy who doesn't want to bother learning proper riding techniques goes for them, because scooters don't try to be something they aren't. They're just a vehicle to move around made to be as easy to operate as possible. If that kind of guy goes for a bulky ADV bike instead, and pays for it to be filled with electronics to be as scooter-ish as possible, the logical conclusion is that he does it for the image.

[@darktoranaga]

I get the hill assist on a car, where you use the same foot for break and acceleration. On a bike? I have never felt the need for it. Hold the front break and clutch, put it in first, press the rear break, let go of the front break, accelerate and let go of the clutch and rear break. Sounds complicated when written down, but it really isn't. After a short while, it just becomes second nature and you do it without even thinking about it. I won't even start to go into how you can do the same with a car, even without hill assist. It's just a nice to have.

[@CahitOnur]

It’s mostly for offroad use and really very helpful when you are in a weird position and can be disabled for road usage.

[@micaiahm710]

Ikr lol. Technology creep is going to end motorcycling as we know it. Ever more expensive bikes that add no enjoyment or functionality, just more shit to break.

[@MotoDash1100]

Break and brake are two different words.

[@waltermh111]

​@@CahitOnurThat sounds good but he's not on a dirt bike. And sounds to me like it should be off by default not on by default a bike that's made for the street even if it's an adventure bike.

[@heyno3306]

this

[@pine207]

I couldn't imagine anything more terrifying then my motorcycle deciding to take control away from me 😂

[@lo-rez]

Than*

[@thomasdoe6768]

It does not. Ryan has a lot of good content. But even he relies on clickbait.

[@M3rVsT4H]

@@thomasdoe6768 If your title/thumb poses a question and the vid addresses it. That's not clickbait. I think anyone who can already ride a motorcycle would find this tech intrusive. And the button on the handlebar reminds me the bike is lowjacked by someone who thought it was a good idea to put heated seats on a subscription plan.

[@thomasdoe6768]

@@M3rVsT4H It is. Beacause everyone knows from the beginning, that you can disable almost everything and it cannot be too intrusive as an outcome. So in the end, it´s clickbait.

[@M3rVsT4H]

@@thomasdoe6768 Why then... Would I want to pay for it all? Either way you slice it. If it's intrusive enough to want to switch off, then it is too intrusive.. lol.

[@MantasJurkuvenas]

Here in Europe low speed handling courese is part of people getting lisences... including hill start..

[@TeunSegers]

low speed yes, hill start not so much. Live in low lands, what is this "hill" you speak of?

[@trotskiftw]

@@TeunSegersDutch? lol, I holiday in wales, lots of Dutch tourists come here too, it’s painful watching them encounter hills in their cars

[@MantasJurkuvenas]

@@TeunSegers its not moutain start, its hill start. also the make fake ramps for that.

[@NikolaosKorelis]

Not in Greece

[@ArcanePath360]

"Here in Europe" like it's just one country with one law, lol

[@SkullNoir]

I remember being at the service center and watching the technician having an argument with a 1250gs. He was testing the SOS was working and the voice on the coms was saying if there isn't an emergency don't press the button.

[@briangiven7399]

The 'emergency' was knowing if the Emergency Button would do anything useful in the case of a real emergency.. 😅

[@nubreed13]

Wow that's moronic. We regularly test the emergency buttons where I work as part of our state inspections.

[@anneominous7172]

Ask him to let them know the fucking microswitches on the left bar of my F series are playing up AGAIN.

[@joenodden]

@@nubreed13 Idk about you but I'd rather not have my emergency get drowned out by every other button in the area getting "regularly tested".

[@nubreed13]

@@joenodden we do regular tests on the equipment I work on for this. You don't want to be trapped somewhere and find out the button doesn't work.

[@dcxplant]

This motorcycle is the personification of financial inequality.

[@TheeRedBaron]

Financial inequality sounds like broke people lingo.

[@dcxplant]

@@TheeRedBaron Ahh yes, there's that derision, ego, and arrogance of the BMW owner on full display....

[@richardturenne4843]

Same for many Ducati, H-D, and more and more high end motorcycle.

[@bjrnhjjakobsen2174]

@@TheeRedBaronThe smart people are just waiting for a much cheaper, used, very low mileage fully equipped ,post recall GS 1300, comes up for sale next season😂

[@chilledburrito]

I just about had a conniption trying to read personification, maybe I do need to sleep.

[@TobiasRieperGER]

BMWs are rubber cows. Why you asking? they use drive shafts. If you pull throttle, the rear of the bike goes up a little, then start moving forward. A cow, if they are laying arround, have a special way to stand up again. They start with their rear, and when the rear is standing, they move their front. This is why we call BMW bikes Rubber Cows here in Germany.

[@ikvanachter6002]

Maybe yess. But in heavy Brake test i can assure you . Better a full Brake with a GS 1250 thén a new africa twin / KTM/ .. no or little suspension effect when braking= x meters shorter Brake distance. , with perfect controll.

[@brdllc]

In all bikes the rear inherently lifts when you give it throttle by the swing arm wanting to move down. It’s how motocross bikes can adjust their pitch by throttling it and braking in the air

[@TobiasRieperGER]

@@brdllc No, you are total wrong without your comment. I am talking about the moment, when you transfer from standing -> accelerating. And the rest of your comment... It's NOT possible, that your swing arm moves down when accelerating A normal bike lowers the rear when accelerated. When you have a belt or chain drive, they pull on the upper side of the of the sprocket. That is why the swingarm moves up (NOT DOWN) and your seat or rack moves down. A BMW with drive shaft lifts the rear. Caused by the 90° direction changes of the transfered energy. the drive shaft is on the right side. the 90° transfer at the front of swing arm rotates anti clockwise. so the power change at acceleration push the swing arm down, seat or rack moves up. When the shocks reach thair full length, the energy starts rotating the rear wheel. The only moment, your rear lifts is when you brake. Then the motion energy transfers from the rear to the front wheel, your rear become lightweight. When overuse the front brake, your rear tyre lifts from the ground. That is called stoppie. I know, it's difficult to imagine.

[@TheRM90inc]

​@@TobiasRieperGER The Yamaha Tenere 700 also moves the seat up and swingarm down under acceleration. It is not a driveshaft or chain/belt issue. It is mostly determined by the angle of the rear swingarm and its centreline with the countershaft. The Tenere has a very high countershaft so the forces on the rear sprocket transfer more efficiently, and all the angles between the swingarm, sprockets, suspensionpoints, etc. make for significant antisquat.

[@lamontacoff4529]

The rear moving up gives more traction on the front wheel. It’s a good thing.

[@TechMechMen]

A lot of tech in motorcycles and cars nowadays are just unnecessary and ads so much cost to them imo. Also riding/driving doesn’t feel so much fun because computers are constantly interrupting you with your maneuvers.

[@amartyamishra6961]

Ikr my bike has throttle by wire and takes some ms to respond after i pull the throttle its so annoying its like a carb motorcycle.

[@dcxplant]

Amen!

[@andreasmuller4666]

tracktion control abd abs are godsends for motorcycles

[@Ephem13]

​@@amartyamishra6961that's just poor programming on the manufacturer side. When properly done, it's unnoticeable.

[@robertp457]

That just isn’t true. Most of this tech isn’t noticeable at all and a lot of it helps all riders when it’s needed.

[@admiralsnackbar2811]

My motorcycle doesn’t even have a fuel gauge.

[@ianrichardson3228]

Me too! Just a very accurate reserve light. 😊

[@SasaRadic-fq5en]

Mine has nothing from both, not even reserve light 😅 always counting kilometers

[@admiralsnackbar2811]

@@SasaRadic-fq5en how far can you get on a tank? I'd focus on the hundredths place on your odometer and mostly ignore the rest if possible. If your bike can get 250 kilometers per tank just start looking for fuel every 200. No need to count every mile.

[@SasaRadic-fq5en]

​@@admiralsnackbar2811yes, i make around 250 km with one tank. I go always 200-220 to refill. Of course i don't count every km, it was a joke 😊

[@SasaRadic-fq5en]

I have 20 L tank, btw

[@Harry_Gersack]

Damn my boy is rockin the Deadliest Catch Outfit 🔥❤️

[@tallyshay217]

😂😂😂 this got me cackling 😅

[@JLo-ev5bc]

​@@tallyshay217 made me wanna go fishing

[@sergionuno]

Brands want to captivate clients with all their techonology, computers and solutions for everything. While me, as a actual rider, i don´t want my machines to do the thinking for me, i know what i want to do, i want machines to obey to what i want to do, and let me do whatever i want, not the other way around.

[@BioluminescenceOfTheSpirit]

That's why i have an antique. It doesn't even have what weak modern humanoids would consider 'suspension' (It's made of iron!)

[@matt59fire]

​@BioluminescenceOfTheSpirit What the fuck? All modern bobbers have shit suspension aswell. Like 2 inches of travel. What are you talking about?

[@mac001texas]

Hill start control is called put your foot on the rear brake

[@gamerbot101]

All these new bikes take away the thrill of riding. Both my bikes are old school tech and I love the simplicity of them

[@medler2110]

As someone who has a modern bike with various electronic rider aids and a collection of bikes from the 1980's, I would disagree, both types give me the thrill and buzz that motorbikes have done for me over the last 40+ years.

[@shamil14basaev88]

you are just broke, new bikes are amazing, much safer to ride, more powerful, handles better and allow to disable all assistants for track use

[@gamerbot101]

@@shamil14basaev88 that’s your opinion and I respect it. But why call me broke? I’m just saying my opinion on bikes. I’ve owned plenty modern bikes that gave me nothing but headaches hence why I’ve sold them

[@aaronaaronsen3360]

Also old bike parts are expensive and hard to find..

[@gamerbot101]

@@aaronaaronsen3360 yes, but I am not talking about old bikes. I’m just referring to bikes that are old school, Suzuki DR650, Kawasaki KLR 650, DRZ400, Royal Enfield bikes etc. these are bikes that have tons of available parts everywhere for cheap and the bikes themselves are easy and simple to work on at home

[@rubenfranco9046]

This is why i love my GSXR 750, plain simple motorcycle. No cheats, all me.

[@winstonlanda7731]

For the same reason I got my CL500. Just straight up motorcycle.

[@Ceen328]

@@winstonlanda7731 I get it. I just rebuild a 2005 Honda Hornet 600. Carb, no ABS, no drive modi. All good and fun, BUT in an emergency situation, these things come in handy. No matter how good of a driver we think we are, a good ABS is simply better.

[@winstonlanda7731]

@Ceen328 The '23 SCL500 comes with ABS! Actually got it after I took a nasty fall on my Shadow 600 because of, yes, locked brakes.

[@EmoKen]

​@@Ceen328HESS

[@46rrodriguez]

@@Ceen328 upgrade the brake system and learn to ride with covered brakes. Problem solved :)

[@erniecolussy1705]

BMW and Triumph may have stolen the idea of suspension lowering as stopping from Harley Davidson. But the way the suspension is lowered and raised is simpler and more elegant on the Harley. As I understand, the BMW and Triumph use their existing preload adjusting electric motors to reduce preload when stopping and increase preload in motion. Harley uses an electric valve to release hydraulic preload when stopping. It uses road irregularities and the movement of the shock absorbed (damper) to pump the preload back up. This is a simpler design that should give a more natural feel as it raises back up.

[@wolf1066]

One of the reasons why I frequently say motorcycles are *_vastly_* superior to cars is the ease with which you can do a hill start on a motorcycle compared with on a car. Two independent brakes controlled by two different limbs, _neither of which_ are the limb that controls the clutch. You can operate the clutch, brake and throttle with three different limbs, rather than trying to do some sort of complicated dance routine with your right foot between brake and accelerator, like you have to do in a cage.

[@mikey22a]

Sod off with useless tech in bikes abs and traction control is all you need

[@petervautmans199]

i also like the wheelie conytrol on the XR.

[@JelloThatsMellow]

I'll take cylinder deactivation, blind spot monitoring, and radar cruise control! Also why not ride it for me so I can take a nap~

[@TheNGplus]

get rid of that too while youre at it, honestly

[@moteroargentino7944]

@TheNGplus Traction control maybe, but ABS? That stays. On sunny days it might not be that important, but on rainy days having that extra layer of protection is invaluable.

[@fitzfarm8694]

I would argue you don't need traction control or abs either.

[@downhillupside]

I can not fathom an automatic hill start control on a motorcycle. You can hold the rear brake for your own version of hillstart control, and release it whenever you want.

[@Kornholeeoo]

I personally love the hill start on my 1250 GSA. It lets go earlier than that. I’ve never experienced what you just did.

[@jaimeriveras]

I haven’t had any issues with it either. Works well.

[@pawelwis7215]

I bet that You love Your precious BMW more than anything else in the world…

[@RaulTecar]

same. I've only had bikes without, but since I have it, I've been using it more and more. Like strething out at a stop sign on an incline - I put it in hill hold and stand up to stretch my legs.

[@anneominous7172]

​@@pawelwis7215 You're a peculiar goose...

[@rileyellis5951]

​@@RaulTecar You know that you can just hold the front brake to do that, right?

[@MichChief]

Yes, modern motorcycle tech is getting too intrusive. While there are some beautiful new models out with superlative performance, the tech is really a turn off for me. I am at a point in my life that I do have some extra spending power to buy new, but I'd rather have an older model without all the modern tech in my garage.

[@savage22bolt32]

The only "new" feature I've become accustomed to, is the push button starter. But I only weigh 120 LBS!

[@andreasmuller4666]

Most of it is good and makes bikes safer. I sold my old one to get a new one with quite some upgrades in tech, especially on the safety side and am more than happy with it.

[@andrewhansen4179]

Same goes with new automobiles. Way too much tech and co$t.

[@savage22bolt32]

@@andreasmuller4666 ride a dirtbike for a few years, you won't want ABS or EFI on your street bike until you're at least 65 years old 🎃

[@andreasmuller4666]

@@savage22bolt32 why would i do that? I tried it a few times and don´t enjoy it at all.

[@pippacarron1861]

Being a shortarse gal with a heavy Harley , I have perfected simultaneous control of throttle (on) and front brake (off) which means that I can keep both feet on the ground at stops, including on a hill.

[@wolf1066]

Yeah, being able to roll on the throttle while releasing the front brake and synchronising it with the clutch engaging is a great skill.

[@John_Ridley]

I don't even understand the utility of hill start control. It seems 100% unnecessary, it's trivial to just keep your foot on the rear brake while starting. Doesn't even really take any skill, that's how IMO you should be starting from stop anyway. Heck I don't even really need it on a car but on cars I understand it takes more skill.

[@GuitarGuy650]

In a car you use the same foot to bake and accelerate. Hill Start Assist is pretty useful in those situations as an added safety measure

[@CadaverCo]

Not really, if you have a manual handbrake just pull it to hold your wheels in place until the clutch starts grabbing

[@John_Ridley]

@@GuitarGuy650 yes, as I said it takes a little actual skill to hill start in a car. Hill start tech on a motorcycle is kind of silly.

[@John_Ridley]

@@CadaverCo yeah you can do that but it's kind of beginner level. If you've been driving stick for a year or more you really shouldn't need that except maybe on really extreme steep hills.

[@brianglendenning1632]

Perhaps hill start makes sense on bikes that have linked braking, as many BMWs have. My S1000R has linked braking and it is easy to get in the habit of just using the front brake because it is easy. Takes discipline (or a track day) to stop being lazy. If that is how you ride then hill start does make sense. That said, I doubt I would use it on a motorbike and do not use it in any of the cars I have that have it as a function

[@rya3190]

I remember learning my car had hill assist... me and my dad were confused when it wouldn't roll in either direction, then pissed off when it wouldn't let us drive away. I could see that being downright dangerous for motorcycle riding, especially if you're not use to it. I never fully understood it (I had plenty of tricks for keeping from rolling back into the car behind me), but on a bike you literally can accelerate with the brake on without much finagling... And that ride height seems like a good way for someone to flip their bike due to inconsistent behavior...

[@n085fs]

I don't need intelligent bikes. I don't need courses. I bought a $200 500cc bike, fixed it, learned how to ride it in a gravel parking lot, then got my license and have ridden safely for decades. Bring self-taught skills back. Please.

[@birddaddydetta]

Nothing wrong with self-teaching, till a certain point However, people who have been professionally trained and train others professionally will most likely teach you better than you ever could, no matter what you tell yourself You can never go wrong with trying out different styles to adjust and perfect your own style, so just take a course. More often than not, it's gonna do good

[@n085fs]

@@birddaddydetta My dad's experience on a motorized bike until he was 50 had been only that a friend in high school let him on one and he revved the engine and dumped the clutch and the bike flipped into the school wall. When I got mine, I taught my dad what to do to make it safe. About 30 seconds of teaching. Told him no matter where the throttle or gear selector was, just pull in that left handle with no remorse, pull the right handle ever so gently, and steer to keep the rubber side down. Then I had him find neutral and rev the engine a couple times to get him used to the noise. And then he was riding and progressing to doing circles and figure 8s on his own for about an hour. It ain't hard.

[@mikol.69420]

Ilove all of these. But only if you get the option to switch all of these on and off😂

[@jboive]

I didn’t now i wanted it until I tried it either. Have it on my BMW S 1000 XR and I think it’s great! I’m all for the analog riding experience but I use this frequently - BUT! I use it more as a parking brake. My garage is at an incline so perfect to be able to engage it and all your hands and feet are free to put on a helmet or whatever. Super simple to engage and disengage - pull the handle to engage. Pull it again to disengage. Couldn’t be easier. Wouldn’t I’ll be able to ride a bike without it? No. But it’s a nice to have for sure - I’m a convert.

[@bikeserv]

Adding more stuff to go wrong and pay an arm and a leg to fix them

[@caleroby9483]

All in the plan..... $$$ for the elite.

[@Iwontreadyourreply]

Or in this case, could cost you an actual arm or leg

[@Tangue0]

Humanity in a nutshell.

[@loganlovescarsandmotorcycles]

I have never had a problem hill starting a motorcycle. The training course is worth doing. Learning how to ride is better than technology.

[@happilyham6769]

Technology on cars has been extremely intrusive for years. I guess it's motorcyles turn. It should all be dialed way back.

[@RLfilmz]

I don’t really understand the point of features like this. On a car where you can only have 2/3 of pedals engaged (for most people), I could see this being useful when I learned to drive stick. But on a bike where almost every limb is responsible for 1 task, this seems like a solution looking for a problem

[@ArcanePath360]

The hill start is useful, but not in the intended way. It's good if you stop at lights or a junction where you might be sat for a while, because you don't have to hold the break in all that time. I shut it off before I pull away because like you say it's rubbish when pulling away as you have to give it aggressive revs

[@Gaobudong]

they seem to have lowered the friction threshold in recent bikes. I had a 2020 r1250r which you have to rev hard to overcome the hill start brake, but the recent r12 does come off that brake much easier

[@ArcanePath360]

@@Gaobudong They also made the gears smoother in later bikes with the Gear Shift Pro. I hardly use it on my 2014 RT because it's so hard on the foot it's easier to just declutch.

[@jochenstacker7448]

You just need to have a right foot if you're stopped.

[@ArcanePath360]

@@jochenstacker7448 Yeah, but that means either going into N or holding in the clutch while sitting there. While your right foot is on the brake, you're not able to shift into 1st quickly and get away fast. You might be sat in front of the line of traffic you overtook and sometimes it's a tight squeeze (at least on narrow British roads) so you want to get out of there before the cars start moving. This is the only time I might use the Hill brake, as it allows you to keep your foot against the gear lever on a gradient. Just double tap the hand brake lever to disengage it

[@pandamilkshake]

I never thought I'd ever hear the words "stole from Harley Davidson" yet here we are 😂

[@smorgie7720]

Why do manufacturers think a motorcyclist wants so many do-dads? The whole point of riding is freedom from such crap!

[@dianapennepacker6854]

You are speaking for everyone. Like I tell everyone else who complain about the same thing with cars. Just buy old if you don't like newer technology.

[@nicholasbaker2904]

Yes. Me personally I'll never buy a bike of this caliber. I complain about the simplicity of vehicles I'm deff not paying for all these bells and whistles in a motorcycle

[@AmuzingInteresting]

Low speed handling is probably the single most advantageous skill to learn. On two wheels since 1963. Always learning

[@bacbladerunner]

The worst part of all the electronic crap is that riders never learn how to control the MC on their own. I can do pretty much the same thing, and still be safe, on a 1976 KZ900 that can be done with a modern bike. Just learn how to ride!

[@bigpatty823]

I like the hillstart assist on the Multistrada, only activates if you really squeeze the brake and unlocks if you double tap the brake. It's great for waiting at long lights on a grade

[@baileylugnut]

2003 Yamaha Roadstar Warrior... Zero electronic aids, zero ABS, Zero Lean Angle Sensors, no Butt Cheek Tension monitor, no wheelie or traction control. You actually just use two hands, two feet and your brain... it seems current Bike manufacturers think we've lost the ability to skillfully use said body parts listed above. What a shame.

[@baileylugnut]

And with all this new fangled tech, Riders are still dying at alarming rates. Hard to reach for the SOS button when you're splattered all over the road.

[@JLo-ev5bc]

I think they're marketing towards newer riders. Which I think will screw them up more.

[@niksn022]

The EU requires all new bikes over 125cc to include ABS, so I'd have to get a bike from before 2016 if I want one with it. I'd personally have use for a bike with ABS and maybe not the other fancy stuff that tends to get included these days

[@Carlos-bp1vp]

Used to have a hill start in my commute on a very difficult off-camber and blind intersection where the cars just came zooming past. Just get on the rear brake and slip the clutch with the brake still on - won't hurt anything if you do it briefly at low revs

[@bjrnhjjakobsen2174]

Imagine the problems you will get into when having to source electronic components when the bike gets 10 or 15 years older.

[@KyleReese-vt8bo]

I don't want brakes that can self apply

[@fitzfarm8694]

Unfortunately, manufacturers don't care about repairing or parts availability for machines that old. Once they are out of warranty, they just assume you buy a new bike.

[@PercyJackson93]

5 years older is my guess, forget 10 or 15

[@gerryryan2302]

almost everything you buy is the same . not just motorcycles ..

[@bjrnhjjakobsen2174]

@@gerryryan2302 The bike is USD 40-50k in Denmark so the GS’s are kept on the road for decades here.

[@primologyx]

As a BMW owner I love my motor so much, and the systems, even though I have my HSC off, it detected I'm a about to fall / fuck up downhill (at very low speed 10kmh), and it engaged everything, the motor was stopped in place and saved me and itself. Blew my mind 🤩

[@hondaryder3779]

😆😂🤣No ABS, no traction control, no ride modes, no fuel injection. NO HEADACHE

[@ollied6997]

Injection and ABS are great. Carb problems are a total ballache, ABS can be a lifesaver on the road and a killer on the track.

[@epiphone5696]

no fuel injection???? ive had carb bikes my whole life and feel like they always need babysitting to work. ive only had one problem with a fuel injector and thats when i let the bike sit for years and never turned it on. I hate carbs i will never go back.

[@jeffersonmetzen9866]

Look I'll give you on most of the other things but Fuel injection is great.

[@Napoleon_Blownapart]

Only a person who never had to deal with carb bs would say that

[@KiyanushKaranjia]

ABS is great, fuel injection is great. The rest is totally unnecessary. I prefer cable throttles, thus ride modes are the enemy. And traction control is cool, but shouldn't one's traction control be in their right wrist and their handling prowess?

[@steveclark..]

This is why I love my 1983 motorcycle, none of this over complicated electronic crap that I don't need or want.

[@caleroby9483]

Yes. And... Worse in modern cars. Sickening nanny state. 🤮😠

[@gambomambo7994]

I got a 1250rs and I really like the handbrake feature and little inclines. And it never let me overrev I can just pull away normally

[@cyclopathic998]

Solutions looking for problems Ze jerman engineering

[@douglasalder6039]

The hill Start Control is great for holding the bike while you're waiting for the lights to change. You can disable it just before you move off.

[@LILMADERR23]

Lot of nerve for them to have an SOS switch. Even after a crash where that button would be smashed.

[@VosperCDN]

That's if the rider isn't separated from the bike, and unable to return to the bike to press it.

[@Gaobudong]

@@VosperCDN they do automatically dial for you in the event of a crash. I once dropped my bike on a slow u turn and saw it happen

[@VosperCDN]

@@Gaobudong Ah ok, guess that makes sense - like the old Onstar system, iirc.

[@mymatemartin]

It gets to the point where you're no longer controlling the bike and learning to manage it. What's the point of all that crap?

[@bloodhoug82]

The hill start is not as bad as he says I think

[@TheNitroG1]

well beyond being useless for any decent rider...If you can't properly work the throttle and clutch to keep yourself from rolling back on a bike...don't have a bike.

[@bloodhoug82]

@@TheNitroG1 it's not about that at all. It's just handy when being at a traffic light that is on a hill that you don't need to hold the break the whole time. I actually find myself using it a good bit. Not vital to have but just handy.

Damn, what the world has become...

[@kalosthenosverse]

@@bloodhoug82dude, just kill your bike’s ignition in gear. You don’t have to hold the brake. And even if you do, how hard is to just press the rear brake lever with your feet?

[@bloodhoug82]

@@kalosthenosverse lol that's a stupid solution. Then you might have to start it again seconds later if it turns green. Way to ruin your ignition. No one ever said it's hard, it's just less comfortable. Can you read?

[@codyhiatt4760]

These intrusive technologies are meant to be useful but are making it so casual riders never learn important life saving skills

[@grimmriffer]

Hill start aid? Really? Who TF can't just use the rear brake? 🤦‍♂️

[@julianstiff4685]

After a full days riding in Portugal our accommodation was on a very steep hill, it took a lot of effort to get the bike moving, clutch stink like hell for the rest of the holiday.

[@chadwells7562]

I want none of that crap. Give me a mid 80s UJM with carbs and the the only electronics are the ignition

[@Rhythm24inch]

tech on bikes is pointless, the newest GSXr sold most cos it don't have any, its that simple.

[@ccityplanner1217]

The police round here have these. I'm going to ask them "does you bimmer have hill-start control?".

[@animationcycles7109]

Power / rain modes, TC, ABS, wheelie control, winglets, gps screens, head up displays. Now a hill mode? Get rid of all of that crap. OR list is as an option.

[@tony-does-stuff]

With the rise of intrusive electronics in modern bikes, I wish manufacturers would make a "basic" trim / model package where you can opt for none at all. The only electronic riding aid I've ever used was ABS ONCE in a very specific situation that never happened again in 10+ years of riding on the street. Other than that, I grew up on the track, on bikes without aids. We learned how to properly handle a bike without them. My most modern sportbike was a 2009 R1 that I owned for 5 years and 45k miles, and never once needed any electronic aids.

[@smorgie7720]

DR650 rider here, I removed clutch and stand safety switches - auto ride height and hill assist would drive me bonkers. Each to their own, obviously every bike fits a rider's wants or it doesn't sell.

[@DanteYewToob]

Me living in FL… “WTF is a hill?!” lol

[@22RoadKing647]

I have hill hold on my bike. I rarely ever use it, but it's helpful sometimes. It won't jerk forward as long as you have excellent clutch control, which I do.

[@thollingsworth4910]

My k1600b has hill assist, there are a couple roads around me with some steep hills directly at traffic lights. I appreciate the assist very much, i haven't had any issues with stalling or accelerating into another care.

[@jwcgroup]

I spent a day on the 1300 here in the uk past week. The suspension thing did something different ... it was low when I got on it, started it, and the rear popped up then the front. It stayed that way. Not a speed related thing. Maybe I paid less attention afterwards as I cant remember it dropping again. But only when I started it did it do its camel getting up kneeling kinda thing. Also 6ft 3, bike seems tiny. I noted it sounds quite tinny clanky in comparison to my 1250. It was better in cross winds on the motorway than a 1250, less jolting you around. Chest wind protection better, but again 6ft3 you get plenty of wind head shake on a blustery day. Seat much harder and flatter than my contoured 1250 seat. Up shifting using the "quick shifter" has a significant delay as the back off is very noticeable unlike the 1250 which is borderline instant. Seems like I'm sat on the bike, not in it. Throttle quite jerky, difficult to have a smooth ride. Definitely faster and feels lighter than a fat 1250 gsa. Happy to get back on my 1250gsa for now!

[@GadgetMart]

Ryan I’m a tall guy like you, very few bikes fit me. The Vstrom 1050DE doesn’t for example. The Africa twin, R1250GS (with high seat) and Super Tenere 1200 do fit me. Which one should I buy? Intended use 2 up road touring, and general use. (1 bike only). Or should I keep my current bike? R1150GS?

[@xYZFxrider]

I love the hill start control on my s1000rr :D just a nice to have because I dont need to pull the break the whole time.

[@dockingtroll6801]

Hill Start Control is freaking awesome and works exactly as it should. And before you take off: I have been riding 2 wheels for 50 years and can ofcourse start uphill without assist, thats only a question of the right technique, and the chance of stalling the bike for a beginner is exactly the same with or without.... SOS call is part of the world today.... You have it on your phone, you have it on your watch, you have it in your car and now you have it on your bike.... it is a really nice feature, atleast if you are in a country where it actually works.....

[@koos42]

The ride height range makes some sense, because if it was narrower, it would be constantly going up and down. They probably figure that if you're going under 55kph, you're riding in a (presumably European) city, but once you're over 55kph you're on a bigger road with occasional slowdowns/traffic.

[@jacekpiterow900]

Try to be 5'5" on a r1200. They could do that suspension lowering manual, but it is really needed.

[@jochenstacker7448]

I have hillstart assist on my 1150 GS, it's my right foot and clutch/throttle control. I would hesitate to buy any later BMW (or other bike) because i don't see how I need hill start, cruise control, different drive modi, ashtray, aircon, self drive, self leveling suspension, infotainment system, central locking or whatever else.

[@k3lvd]

This is why i stick to 90's bikes and older....that and my 99 gsxr 750 is just amazing 👍

[@murraehaynes3182]

Hill start control is easily released by squeezing and releasing the front brake when you’re read to move…. Can’t address the height system as I’m 6-1

[@jaimeriveras]

That’s how I use it on my 1250 GS. I’m 5’7, 71 years. It helps.

[@DH-xw6jp]

Hill start control? If you can't manually control a brake pedal, you probably shouldn't be on a bike.

[@EvanEdwards]

As a returning rider, it seems to me that there are some nice little things -- even some that aren't popular like DCT and cruise control, but are fine if you don't give a darn about "purity" -- but a slew of other options that are "just because we could" smartphone or tech gadget style features. It's clearly designed to push people with buying power to more expensive models, but it drove me down to the high end of the low end models. I appreciate ABS. I don't need a computer adjusting my preload.

[@dismaljester]

The hill assist on Harley's rdrs is not jerky like this at all. As soon as there's any fiction on the clutch it disables. Also if you press again on either brake it turns off. So when you use the rear brake to start it's already off anyway. I don't use it all the time, but it is convenient on occasion.

[@Isthatyoudermot]

I went into the long coding of my new manual, Jetta, and switched off the hill start assist. The car is so much better now. Wonder if you can do same for motorcycle.

[@MartinSerdar]

I like my hillstart control on my Ducati Multistrada V4S. It's recognizing I am slowly starting and never had a hiccup when it loosens the brake

[@kepofshangri-la8942]

All vehicle technology is getting too intrusive

[@Azantys]

Hill start is not that bad or tricky. It might stall when you are still new to this feature, but now it is smooth as butter for me. I just touch the brake or the clutch and it is disengaged. I use it more when I am stopped on aslope and need both hands and need to move a bit. I rarely use it in the traffic

[@ogofog9120]

Yes - had a break from biking for about 15 years, sold my ZX-7 (carbs, zero electronics) & bought a Street Triple R. It’s not so much the bike it’s Sat Nav, intercoms and thousand different variations of bike gear. Give me a leather jacket & jeans & I’ll stick my direction on the tank & use a map & I’ll talk to my mates when we stop… & if someone else tell me cruise control is essential on a motorbike!! - give me strength…

[@arvin6606]

Who needs sos call when you're 100 meters from your bike during crash?

[@misterthegeoff9767]

trackers do it better, i had a tracker that would make an sos call if it detected the bike on its side while the engine was still on so if you actually come off the bike you don't need to be in good enough shape to find and press the red button. Thankfully I never had to test it out

[@jackmccourt6180]

I have hill start assist on my 1250gs. I dunno if its different on the new bike, but I really don't have a problem with it. If you slip the clutch smoothly then it disengages smoothly enough. Definitely don't need it, but I have to admit I quite like it. If Im stuck at some lights for a while I can just tap the rear brake to stick it on and I can just sit and relax. I find it a nice to have thing personally but definitely not necessary

[@blueninja115]

The issue with these newer bikes is that people, especially newer riders, may lose touch with the basics such as threshold braking the throttle/brake blending to start on a hill. They hop on their buddy's non-ABS bike and lock the wheels up when a car cuts them off because they've always been able to hit the brakes as hard as they want. Not to mention how expensive these things must be to fix... oh boy.

[@Crazyclay78YT]

Yes an SOS button on a motorcycle, for when you're flying through the air after you hit somebody that turned in front of you 😂😂

[@russianrick8403]

Yeah, I have done a wheelie while using the hill assist on my 1250GS. I usually just hold myself with the rear brake and then accelerate on my own.

[@Roberta_Esposito]

One of my problems with the ride height control is that you need long travel, suspension, going slow off-road and of course, when you need it, the most it works the least

[@c.f.1133]

Hill Hold is a little more nicely integrated on the S1000XR, and disengages incredibly smooth.

[@wolfrig2000]

I believe the problem is brand specific. One Chevy I test drove had hill assist and it was a deal breaker for me and another two vehicles, one a Mitsubishi the other a Volvo, had Hill assist and they were perfectly fine and drove like normal!

[@Super_Slow_Chevy]

Love my bare bones Tenere 700😂😂

[@AaronLyNxAI]

My wrx has hill start assist and it's great, but for some reason I feel like on a motorcycle it can be more dangerous than beneficial. With a motorcycle you can usually keep it from rolling and even if you can't, the brake is easy to get to on most bikes. I don't have a motorcycle but do want one, and seeing things like this makes me want an old one lol

[@edwardpardy7866]

A pleasure again brother. Keep up the videos

[@chriscrookson8524]

The last BMW I owned was a 1989 R80 GS. The last of the uncomplicated flat twins. After that, I was no longer interested.

[@robertchapman6795]

Hill start: smoothly, front brake on, roll throttle, release clutch, begin to compress front suspension, brake off, complete transition to moving. Simples.

[@dorstefan]

Don't be the third owner.

[@carloalbertoranzani8041]

In the beginning I found it obtrusive (you can fully disable it if you want) but then I got how it works and I kept it on the highest setting (automatic). You can have it automatic, manual, or disabled When in manual, you can enable and disable it by a strong pull/press of the front/rear brake when stopped. In automatic it just starts automatically if you’re stopped on an incline (not when stopped horizontally) and you could always disable it with a strong lever pull like in manual, it won’t automatically be turned on again for a while in that case (maneuvering on a slope). The releasing force is dependent on the slope angle at least in the auto mode, you won’t have a contrasted start at all when stopped flat Yep the auto lowering is giving you a variable range of roll axes and that’s probably weird, but what else for shorties - I flatfoot on both sides on the regular gs, and I hate when I have to tiptoe so on paper I understand their frustration

[@0Rookie0]

My truck has hill assist. Scares the hell out of me whenever it infrequently goes off. Feels like you described. Like trying to fight an engaged e-brake. (Which I guess it exactly is.) Can't imagine trying to gently finesse a bike doing the same thing.

[@postersm7141]

I’ve been riding motorcycles for four decades and I do love the six axis IMU that’s on my 2023 Yamaha MT 10. I love the throttle by wire and a lot of the features but hill assist is where I draw the line. I would never have a motorcycle with hill assist. If you don’t know how to take off on a motorcycle on a hill you need to take classes or stop riding.

[@shanejsgable]

Having been lucky enough to have to learn to drive when cruise control was an uncommon thing and abs was unheard of, i think all driving assists have made people lazy and distracted. People aren't actually learning to drive. I don't have to worry about keeping track of my surroundings, my mirrors flash when someone is there. I didn't have to learn to brake properly, my brakes take care of that, all i have to do is mash the pedal (or grab the lever). Worst of all... My Tesla drives itself! I think people need to learn to drive and ride without ANY tech assists (power steering and brakes allowed lol). When I'm driving or riding, I'm not just driving for myself. I'm driving for the people in front, behind, and beside me. The last accident I got in was backing out of my driveway with a line of cars parked on the street and i couldn't see the teeny bopper flying down the street. That was 24 years ago. Paying attention works.

[@KadMoto]

Hill assist works on my S1000R like a charm. the moment it notices a little power on clutch the moment it releases the brakes, its so smooth. I can change gears during cornering, it doesnt hop or stall. the lift control lifts the bike up to a certain angle and you feel its to much but its also fun. The stoppie control is annoying but at the same time it makes you feel safe and it makes you think you brake so good. this motorcycle gives its user a false sense of superiority, I feel like a damn good rider. Thats why you kind of get addicted and its hazardous if you change and decide to buy a HONDA,.

[@ramama987]

Next time, just visit your closest Ducati dealer, and you will awe.

[@jakubhoranek3007]

I once went on a test ride with the Honda rebel 1100. They only had one with an automatic transmission which the saleswoman kept insisting was the best thing about the bike. When you're coming to a stop it shifts into neutral at a completely random time jerking you forward since the engine braking is quite severe. Downshifting into a turn by pressing a button was even worse. I was so disappointed I stopped even thinking about buying the manual.