he starts off the video being all “YIPPEE! i got drama!” and immediately switches to japanese to assert dominance
@jovidmtp3 ай бұрын
"お前は猛進でいる" -bro probably i probably wrote it wrong
@CloudXDP3 ай бұрын
@@jovidmtpyou trying to say the fist of the north star thing?
@bobbywhite53193 ай бұрын
@@jovidmtp I just installed a Japanese keyboard thanks to the help from some chap in the comments of the Anki video お前はもう死んでいる
@bobbywhite53193 ай бұрын
@@CloudXDP そうだよ
@chariothe90133 ай бұрын
@@jovidmtp lol assume it's north star, もうしん is not a single word it is もう(already, now)+死(し)ぬ(dead) You can't randomly change hiragana into kanji, since there are so many kanjis that read the same but different meaning(is it called homophones? What's the correct choice of word to use here?)
@0shawhat3 ай бұрын
Congratulations on your first drama www
@トレントン3 ай бұрын
thanks, it's a huge step for me
@mist44883 ай бұрын
baby's first youtube drama
@incognitoknight22503 ай бұрын
they grow up so fast 🥲
@blazereaper78903 ай бұрын
Took like what, 2 weeks? Its gotta be close to a record
@randomperson25263 ай бұрын
W in the chat
@andreasthiemke95203 ай бұрын
I think Immersion is literally how 95% of all ESL speakers learned english, me included. A bit in school but with every single game and piece of media on the internet being in english, it is really difficult not to learn the language.
@AllegraJina3 ай бұрын
Exactly. School gave me the basic rules and vocabulary, but I still didn't understand a lot of media. I had to immerse myself into it. I would read a text and use the context to know what the missing words probably meant or just looked them up. No need to make it unnecessarily complicated.
@horhern34273 ай бұрын
That's basically how I learned so I definitely agree. Music, videogames, movies, etc. All of them improved my reading and listening comprehension.
@hrunjua3 ай бұрын
I have been studying English with tutor for like 3-4 years now and sometimes i feel like "I know this gosshhh why we are even learning this crap". As a person who speaks 4 languages. In 3 of them i am fluent and the one i am yet to become fluent. I INSIST on being IN the language you learn. My 4th language is Polish, i literally live in Poland, i study in Polish school, but i don't watch youtube or other inputs and as a result it's difficult for me to speak Polish.
@n0tjim3 ай бұрын
Totally agree, I literally didn't even try to learn English, I unironically became fluent by accident XD
@excalibro83653 ай бұрын
Yup. Video games and youtube videos. School gave me a little bit of the basics but that's it.
@flameofthegame3 ай бұрын
The moment i heard "I actually have a degree in linguistics" ,i knew it was over for them .
@MakotoOPT14 күн бұрын
It's like using an ultimate ability in the language learning world lmao
@bashartz3 ай бұрын
11:47 "Idk why the hell this guy is studying Japanese for" that comment made me dismiss any other critique she gave for the rest of the video. Like, she doesn't even NEED to know why anyone studies a language that they do. I'm confident that 90% of Western foreigners who study Japanese most likely do it for the fun of it, because they like the language, or simply because they want to be able to watch anime without subs. Sometimes studying a language is a fun challenge to pick up for the heck of it, and if you want it to be fun, just use immersion. Saying that kind of stuff just feels snobby and dismissive of what works for the person you're talking about.
@Shakki_Channel3 ай бұрын
Yeah. It seems like she has a certain "goal" in her mind that everyone's ought to strive towards, and since he isn't going about it her way, she can't understand what his point is. That's probably why she's able to keep up the image of being fluent to herself - in her mind, being "balanced" is an acceptable goal, and excuses her shortcomings despite the myriads of people who are a lot better than her in intonation, understanding, vocabulary, among other things - all while having spent less time studying. It's the mentality of someone who strictly goes by-the-book, and she's gone to the extreme end of it.
@Ben-v8k2 ай бұрын
He even specifically mentioned it in the first video: because he's a weeb and 90% of people watching are weebs.
@Joe-y2x7q4 күн бұрын
You described me. I learned english playing Minecraft in english while I was listening podcasts, or watching a lot of KZbin videos. It's ALL input, I don't give a fuck to those grammar books, it's bullshit, nothing else.
@DilieMC3 ай бұрын
The moment she compare sentence mining to textbooks was the moment I couldn’t take her serious anymore.
@rakedos90573 ай бұрын
I don’t understand that critics. Anybody learning a language will do it. It’s learning new words directly from the content consumed, show how useful it is in reality (if a word pop up multiple times, it’s certainly a good one) and it gives a context. Coming from the content someone see makes it so easier to learn it too.
@adamboross11103 ай бұрын
@@rakedos9057 Because it's actually a BS waste of time. You have to know at least a certain amount of vocab in order to effectively immerse, and at that point sentence mining isn't even necessary. Everybody in the comments are claiming to have learned through immersion, but all of them also say that they studied in school as well (including the guy who made this video btw. He also admits to learning vocab and going through RTK). This whole "immersion" craze is just a bunch of people disregarding their first phase of study as unnecessary because they don't actually understand how they learned the language, and don't see how the beginning phases contributed to their studies.
@DilieMC3 ай бұрын
@@adamboross1110 you are making the same mistake as the woman in the video. It is clearly stated that you should start sentence mining when you have a good base. So what do you think that a good base means? And one doesn’t exclude the other. You can combine learning grammer and vocab with immersing in the language. I can tell you that immersing works because I can understand English.
@rakedos90573 ай бұрын
@@adamboross1110 I'm one of them. My case: my English was crap through all my years of school, but skyrocketed when I watched videos for natives (non educational) and read books. Of course someone has to learn the basic (especially grammar) outside of "immersion", nobody say the contrary. But basics aside, one can dive into input/immersion quickly. That's what I'm doing with Japanese and it's working so far. I'm picking more and more words while watching anime for example. For my English, reading books was a big pain in the butt at first but really paid off. I was less and less prone to open the dictionary as I read a book. The simple fact of mining words or sentences from the content I consumed made it so much easier to remember AND I had tons more input than school. Mining words also give a context which seems so so important in Japanese.
@BryanLu03 ай бұрын
@@adamboross1110Immersion doesn't mean starting with immersion. Think about the way you learn new vocabulary in your native language. Rarely do you ever learn words like you would for foreign languages.
@erosheve3 ай бұрын
Hi! Thanks for mentioning my video) I am learning Japanese and you inspired me to listen to much more podcasts 👍 and the way you learn very much corresponds to how I see this process, but with your unique tweaks. And I thought I should tell my viewers in detail about the method you used. In my vid I basically skipped the theoretical part about Krashen and so on, because my viewers are very much familiar with all that and went straight into how you did it and commented on your way of learning from my perspective
@トレントン3 ай бұрын
Hey! I actually found your video because my friend is learning Russian with this method and uses your videos for immersion material :) I watched your video (although I had to use English auto-generated subtitles) and thought it was good!
@erosheve3 ай бұрын
@@トレントン wow, cool! 😊 Thank you! 🙏
@bjornhorberg26903 ай бұрын
I watch both of you guys and I cannot express enough how exciting seeing you commenting on each other makes me feel :D Greeting from Moldova 🇲🇩
@Adil-Ad043 ай бұрын
@@bjornhorberg2690 It is so great when your 2 most lovely channels interact with each other .
@-nufzy-3 ай бұрын
It is so cool to watch how people around the world connect and understand each other, despite being raised in totally different conditions and places.
@annojance3 ай бұрын
Trenton: "Comprehensible input is key." Pearl: "How are you supposed to learn anything when you can't even comprehend the input?" Me: "How are you able to criticize him when you can't even comprehend what he was saying?"
@JohnnyLynnLee3 ай бұрын
Oriental Pearl will silence ANY comment debunking her. To those of you who don't know Japanese yet you can't tell, but, for someone that according to her have been learning Japanese for 12 years, started learning in China, being already fluent in Chinese, and, therefore, with a leg up regarding anyone form the West that don't speak Chinese, had lived in Japan for YEARS and lives with a Japanese her Japanese is PRETTY BAD! And it's easy o prove that. Her Japanese is NOT at all impressive considering her situation. It's more than lacking.
@sspiker3 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyLynnLee her credibility was shot when she decided her name was oriental pearl... that's all I am saying.
@JohnnyLynnLee3 ай бұрын
@@sspiker More importantly is that her Japanese IS NOT good for her background. She mad fun in one of her videos of one saying you need 10,000 hours in Japanese. She needs to get her 10,000 hours! She acts as if she's god. SHE IS NOT.
@nolandderlugner13513 ай бұрын
Shes a narcist@@JohnnyLynnLee
@JohnnyLynnLee3 ай бұрын
@@nolandderlugner1351 And she's deliberately deceiving people. She indeed has a god level of Japanese. But starting from being fluent in Chinse, living in China, have been learning Japanese for 12 years, living in Japan for years and years, and living with a Japanese her Japanese should be WAY better. Anyone following her "advices" saying you don't need to do passive listening learning from English, from your home in the West forced to live most of your day in you native language is DOOMED TO FAIL.
@TheStellarJay3 ай бұрын
considering i learned basically the exact same way you did and pearl's japanese accent I'd say you're probably not a liar
@joshuwottdelta3 ай бұрын
🫵🧍♂️
@juno32873 ай бұрын
Yoo, cool to see you hey Jay, i watched your video about moving to Japan, and enjoyed it alot, you had some great tips in there too!
@enemote3 ай бұрын
Oh look it's Jay
@Nebula_Avali3 ай бұрын
Hello StellarJaypanese :3
@SpecialTimeWithDaniel3 ай бұрын
I genuinely don't understand how ANYONE could doubt your advice. you SINGLEHANDEDLY changed my entire view about language learning. I'm currently learning german and I'm so genuinely thankful for your videos, I've started being okay with not understanding absolutely everything, which resulted in making so much more progress than I used to make. Your videos are absolutely amazing and I'll be continuing to watch them even if I'm no longer learning japanese. danke schön!
@PunkHerr3 ай бұрын
Viel Erfolg! and do you have some input suggestions? I have a friend who learns German, but as a German it is not that easy to rank something as for beginner or advanced.
@Dreaming-Void3 ай бұрын
EYOOOO GERMAN LERNER! HALLOOO :DDD DU SCHAFFST DAS! ICH GLAUB AN DICH :DDD
@SpecialTimeWithDaniel3 ай бұрын
@@PunkHerr search up Easy German on youtube, they're absolutely amazing imo
@SpecialTimeWithDaniel3 ай бұрын
@@Dreaming-Void DANKE BRUDER!
@SpecialTimeWithDaniel3 ай бұрын
@@PunkHerr "easy german" is great imo, I still use them to this day
@Shadowwolf9753 ай бұрын
I like how she goes "kanji is useless?! Noooo!" And looks over at the dude and he just agrees with her and gets all shifty eyed like he was just trying avoid an argument.
@BlakeJoy3 ай бұрын
What Pearl also doesn't seem to understand is not everyone is a bookworm or learns well from mostly textbooks. I was never good at that form of studying, but I always excelled with hands on and verbal studying. I drive trucks for a living, immersion is perfect for me considering I can be on the road for 10 hours at a time. Your video is what got me into this, I was using some mobilie apps to learn Japanese for almost two years with little progress. I've only been doing immersion for about 2-3 weeks and I can already see that my comprehension is improving, Thanks for your video!
@ExitusGSZ3 ай бұрын
As someone whose first language isn't English, I'm going to be brutally honest for a second and say that anyone opposing the immersion method has never studied a language to fluency. Textbooks and classes only get you so far. On another note, I found your anecdote about frameworks in linguistics to hit the nail on the head. I studied translations and it's the same story there, just a pile of made up frameworks. In a way, I feel that's just the reality of arts disciplines. Lastly, I agree you don't need to learn writing kanji or hanzi. I speak Chinese fluently and have only ever needed to write characters in tests. I do know how to read them and understand the individual radicals, of course.
@hrunjua3 ай бұрын
I have been studying English with tutor for like 3-4 years now and sometimes i feel like "I know this! why we are even learning this crap?". As a person who speaks 4 languages. In 3 of them i am fluent and the one i am yet to become fluent. I INSIST on being IN the language you learn. My 4th language is Polish, i literally live in Poland, i study in Polish school, but i don't watch youtube or other inputs and as a result it's difficult for me to speak Polish.
@hrunjua3 ай бұрын
And Polish ofc i studied by books... That's just stupid... I mean it's stupid to learn by using only books, it just doesn't work this way.
@Komatik_3 ай бұрын
I don't know - I studied Swedish at school and have barely used the language, but it's stuck with me and I can think in it and express myself in it. Of course, the disuse and limited learning context (classroom) means I don't have the greatest active vocabulary (I literally learned 'andvändbart', ie. 'useful' from a Days and Words video. The joke, of course, is that I definitely didn't learn my English in school, but from videogames and Internet forums, and my English is well and truly fluent, and that the language classes I had in school tried to stay monolingual as thoroughly as possible.
@amanosatoshitranslates3 ай бұрын
as someone who native language is not english, his ways is the best way. i only know english by playing games.
@KoopstaKlicca3 ай бұрын
And it's even considered backwards in classes themselves lol My foreign language teacher emphasized immersion in the classroom (Rules like no English words in class). The only time we started seriously cracking open textbooks was preparing for a standardized test, and she said herself that we weren't the language, we were learning a test
@RoastNToastRadio3 ай бұрын
Bro she is just bashing you without completely listening to your videos. Your videos are literally the reason why I started learning a new language. Keep doing what youre doing big DAWG 🔥
@AXL.3 ай бұрын
What lenguage are you studying?
@Orblinkluv3 ай бұрын
Where did she bash him?
@Gigusx3 ай бұрын
Her videos are also a reason for why many people have started learning a language. It's okay for people to disagree. Good luck in your studies!
@RT-qd8yl3 ай бұрын
She thinks she deserves a monopoly in the learning space and that's messed up.
@bluebird_9792 ай бұрын
@@Gigusx yeah while i disagree with her here, people are getting way over the top in the comments about her. I guess because they haven't seen her other contrnt where she's usually pretty chill.
@daniel_rossy_explica3 ай бұрын
The fact that she made that reaction video "members only" (ie, behind a paywall) tells a lot about how secure she feels about the critics she mades. I think, at least.
@sm00re23 ай бұрын
i found it weird she suddenly switched it. i got notifications that she responded to comments and i cant see the full response😭 haha
@angietrif3 ай бұрын
I was halfway through the video and went back later to see it was no longer accessible 😢 But I find a lot of her advice regarding language learning comes off as defensive and demeaning tbh
@dycedargselderbrother53533 ай бұрын
@jcvp2493 It's hard to believe she wouldn't be aware of potential criticism before making the video. She's made 343 videos over the past half decade.
@RavenL13373 ай бұрын
@jcvp2493LMAO way are you so pathetic? really? a cult? how did you even think this is the BEST way to deflect criticism ENTIRELY ! ALSO STOP lying!!! seeing how you use such a dishonest pathetic excuse to deflect criticism and the fact she made member only to have HER OWN CULT defend here and be the yes MEN in an echo chamber, i find it funny you even thought you can come here without a shame and insult people, same as she insulted people that use this method of learning language
@PenultimatePenPen3 ай бұрын
That's a bit annoying. I like to watch the original videos in these kinds of responses so I can make up my own mind with everything available. But it being put behind membership honestly kinda automatically nudges me to think she is wrong
@smileysan92613 ай бұрын
I struggled for like 10years with English, cause it's mandatory to learn as a second language, but watching everything in English and reading in English was a complete game changer
@Plotsky3 ай бұрын
You're right, I did the same thing and it works
@CircusFoxxo22 күн бұрын
It's hilarious how against this method people are when it's how you learn your first language. You watch TV in your language, your parents talk in your language around you, you read very simple books in your language etc
@highspeedrailenjoyer10453 ай бұрын
I never understood why people dislike immersion or anything similar of the sort. Im bilingual in English and French, and most of my French skills was at a slump and decline for a while. Until I started immersing a lot more, suddenly I jumped from a B1.5 level to almost C1 and someone who can confidently say I'm bilingual.
@Hunter_Adrian3 ай бұрын
What media did you use to immerse?
@highspeedrailenjoyer10453 ай бұрын
@@Hunter_Adrian train documentaries (no joke) also Wakfu, that series was fire
@Entropic_Alloy3 ай бұрын
Those people need a way to justify the years they spent learning, by shitting on new methods.
@highspeedrailenjoyer10453 ай бұрын
@@Entropic_Alloy anytime someone has spent learning a language, even if it isn't immersion will always be useful when combined with immersion.
@rodrigoreismarinho95523 ай бұрын
they probably want to sell courses that don't teach so people lose more money trying to learn
@NickVisel3 ай бұрын
Trenton, it’s been 6 days since I watched your video, and 5 since I decided to give actually learning Japanese (and not just romaji)a real shot at the age of almost 34. I’m almost at the point already where I can read and distinguish all of the hiragana including the dakuten, handakuten, and diagraphs. I nearly fell out of my chair the first time I read です out loud with no assistance a couple days and realized what I just did. Additionally I’ve listened to about 200 episodes of Nihongo Con Teppei for Beginners and occasionally googling new words in either in English or Japanese. It’s very fun and even though it’s less “efficient” than a textbook it is obviously working - at least for now. Anyways I say all this to say “thank you” (or ありがとう!). Forget the haters! You brought up good points in this response video but I also feel like people who have an interest in practical learning will intuitively understand exactly what you meant anyway. Don’t give away too much of your energy to stuff like this. There will always be critics, and in my experience most of them aren’t interested in charitable interpretations or acting Socratically about things with which they may disagree. Looking forward to the next video whenever it comes! Nick
@philipdavis75213 ай бұрын
Ah, I guessed you were more of an expert than you let on - so you are a linguist! Thanks for this rebuttal. I’m not a linguistic expert but one thing I do know about is epistemology and bias in science. Oriental Pearl is very genuine I’m sure, but she demonstrates classic false attribution bias, which is very common among academics (they assume that they way they learned and teach is the only way its possible). One wonders how she thinks how the millions of people throughout history learned multiple languages before there were textbooks.
@GeeGe.Ай бұрын
Her answer would be "they learned in a way that's not nearly as good as mine". Guaranteed.
@TheonormalMBV3 ай бұрын
I mean Pearl literally has japanesepod101 listed in her description and pushes it in her videos. Maybe a bit cynical of me to say but it's not surprising she would advocate for paid traditional methods when she has a vested interest in it.
@Gaara119903 ай бұрын
Shills gotta shill! Get them kickbacks.
@fluffy_883 ай бұрын
The pod101 courses are kind of a turn off for me because of all the English in them. I guess that is okay for absolute beginners, but it means less material in the target language and a generally slower learning process.
@reflex92383 ай бұрын
Which is kind of funny because she literally criticized other KZbinrs for selling BS courses, funnily enough in that same video she had MattvsJapan on her channel, you know the guy who popularized immersions
@RealNTAF3 ай бұрын
I watch free Japanesepod101 videos for Risa and only Risa 😂
@Reforming_LL3 ай бұрын
@@RealNTAFreal
@ninjawr83543 ай бұрын
I'm Japanese. Japanese people don't usually use the word '考証' in daily life, but it is often used in books or when discussing historical dramas.
@christysjapanlife3 ай бұрын
this is exactly it. Does she also think learning any words other than "すみません!" aren't worth learning lmao
@ForestWizardLookingForPotion3 ай бұрын
"This one word i cherrypicked cause it was on one of your Anki cards is not worth learning. Don't waste your time on anything that won't show up every single day." "I COMMAND YOU TO LEARN HOW TO WRITE KANJI BY HAND EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL ONLY HAVE TO DO IT ONCE OR TWICE BECAUSE LEARNING EVERYTHING AND HAVING BALANCE IS SO IMPORTANT"
@Miksu__3 ай бұрын
Ngl I agree and don't think this whole thing is "drama" or anything that serious but having said that my respect towards OrientalPearl is significantly lower after seeing this
@attachou3 ай бұрын
She's always got on my nerves ever since she came on the KZbin polyglot scene
@reflex92383 ай бұрын
@@attachou she did have somewhat of a point in that since some people really do exaggerate their abilities in a language when they can only say basic phrases and not actually communicate in said language. Her trying to throw a shot at immersion mind you a cheap shot since she wanted to keep the video under wraps, is comical considering she started this when she invited MattvsJapan on her channel something she wants everyone to forget.
@bluebird_9792 ай бұрын
@@reflex9238yeah i think she got defensive too early and assumed this youtuber was the same category.
@nategwright2 ай бұрын
How often do you hear immigrant kids tell you they learned English watching SpongeBob vs every American adult telling you they retained absolutely nothing from high school Spanish? Immersion is king.
@mayme47433 ай бұрын
congrats we'll be expecting a ukulele and tears for next week's vid
@DeathImperative3 ай бұрын
Lmao
@SpecialTimeWithDaniel3 ай бұрын
YO THOSE GLASSES CAUGHT ME WAY OFF GUARD WHAT 4:18
@Dreaming-Void3 ай бұрын
hOLY WHAT THE
@Aaaalfaroeo3 ай бұрын
That's a weird flex
@Sage-cc5ok3 ай бұрын
I didn’t even notice that WTH
@everett15843 ай бұрын
LMFAO WHAT
@lorenasalaparm3 ай бұрын
Hahahahahaha
@hu_fyk3 ай бұрын
bro got drama before silver play button 🎉🎉🎉
@Dun413 ай бұрын
THANK GOD, not a repetitive Gta 6 jokes atleast.
@argento-pyrite3 ай бұрын
We got people getting tired of "GTA 6 Jokes" even before GTA 6 has released! Damn! (lol)
@MrSalas3 ай бұрын
Most people who dismiss the comprehensible input theory have usually only learned one other language besides their native one. I guess that's why they're dismissive on some of your ideas. But I'm glad you're defending your position since, well, you're right. I have also noticed these people usually believe a native language is acquired in a different fashion from their second or third language. A belief I've always found odd because the biggest evidence as to why CI works is simply them speaking / understanding English.
@daysandwords3 ай бұрын
Alberto, que honda amigo!
@Entropic_Alloy3 ай бұрын
Personally, I find that Oriental Pearl is one of the most gatekeepy language channels, and the way she uses her SO as a weird prop for her videos creeps me out.
@dade_dreams3 ай бұрын
YES! Also there is something about her content that feels.....exploitative? Her videos on the homeless population or taking her husband to 8-mile "America's Most Dangerous City", or just the critical videos of others. She's horrible
@atelierringo88953 ай бұрын
But you see she’s more credible because she dates a Japanese guy 🙃 Gosh I hate how much people tend to fetishize their own partners if they are into anything Asian 🙃 I witnessed so many cases at Uni where women were dating Asian guys just because they are Asian… Or how marrying a Japanese guy was even under profs some kind of status symbol 🙃
@norealmagicever32923 ай бұрын
the name alone should be enough of a red flag lmfao. white woman with an asian boyfriend who calls herself "oriental" is never a good sign
@Orblinkluv3 ай бұрын
@@dade_dreams oh my goodness...I actually really love the homeless people video because she was exposing a hidden side to the country & it was really nice to hear from those people who are usually silenced. It's kinda wild the ppl in that video were happy to talk to her but some random people on the internet are upset about it 😅
@Orblinkluv3 ай бұрын
Sorry, but is that not just you projecting onto them? Genuinely asking why you think she "uses" him? He's the one who asked her out in the first place & he seems more than happy to be with her. It's not like he has to be with her
@NoFuqinIdea3 ай бұрын
"Oh no, KZbinrs who praise the immersion method don't know what they're talking about. I would have never been able to read the Hunchback of Notre Dame in Japanese if I started there" YEAH, that's the damn point. You have to look for something that is *slightly* above your level, as in start easy and work yourself up from there instead of fighting the endboss unequipped. Man, that bit comes off as extremely dishonest from her side, geez...
@SlowestGuyy3 ай бұрын
And, if we're being honest, why read the Hunchback of Notre Dame of all books? Literature is best read in its original language, and if you don't know that, read it in your native language, the one where you're the most confident
@Jucez3 ай бұрын
A penguin talking about drama about japanese was not on my bingo card this year
@Milkianbot3 ай бұрын
It's really funny because Pearl brings up that she's studied for 12 years and yet her intonation is very foreign sounding and her vocabulary in general appears to be lacking just from how she speaks. Then she has the native there for who knows what reason, not even giving any real feedback and basically just nodding along. I wouldn't criticize the native dude too much though since I wouldn't expect a native to have much to comment on learning Japanese as a foreigner anyway. The video is just kinda absurd. そうはいっても動画がバズり炎上されておめでとうございます!
@hrunjua3 ай бұрын
Pride is what makes people look stupid, why would she even make that video😭😭😭
@RealNTAF3 ай бұрын
The native guy I believe is her husband
@eviee95433 ай бұрын
yeah the guy next to her is her husband, I don’t believe he’s that fluent in English so he may not have been able to give much feedback
@annojance3 ай бұрын
You could tell that he wasn't fully comfortable with agreeing with her on certain points, but couldn't outwardly disagree.
@Shakki_Channel3 ай бұрын
This. It threw me off the first time I watched her videos, she sounds like a beginner despite marketing herself as fluent... but that's what a lot of polyglots do
@TheCCBoi3 ай бұрын
The click bait queen of language learning is at it again.
@daysandwords3 ай бұрын
Yeah I find Oriental Pearl to be quite hypocritical in this regard. She talks about how clickbait is terrible because of all the people who DON'T WATCH the video and just take it for what it says in the title, which in my opinion, is dumb... If anyone just accepts a KZbin title at face value, that's their problem. But also, her videos are massively clickbaity in their titles... She just has a different definition of clickbait that happens not to include her own videos.
@Imkuroda3 ай бұрын
11:39 writing is useless the guy instantly think "hell yeah he's right"
@kebien60203 ай бұрын
Yeah he looks like he's trying so hard not to agree with him
@jgkage7273 ай бұрын
was thinking the same thing too lol
@AXL.3 ай бұрын
I KNOW he was trying soooo hard not to agree with the video 🤣🤣 just for her
@bendale76933 ай бұрын
Yeah, exactly. I know that look. He's agreeing with the video but can't say it. lol
@choreomaniac3 ай бұрын
Yes. It’s not literally useless but if you were to budget a certain number of hours in the first year to Japanese, how much would you do for writing kanji? Maybe 1 percent? Which basically rounds to zero.
@uwukia3 ай бұрын
it honestly sounds like the people who are against input learning are the ones who learned through textbooks and traditional classes and are perhaps insecure about there being a much better and less painful method, like "how dare you not go through the same pain i did" i'm not saying they're deliberately doing this, it could be entirely in their subconscious i would've loved to listen more from the japanese dude next to her, especially when she was arguing about "learning to write kanji is useless", it really seemed like he was gonna say "i mean... maybe it is kinda useless yeah" but she didn't let him talk. me personally i love learning how to write kanji, but i'm fully aware of how useless it is, its mostly for fun. comparing the stroke orders of 右 and 左, or 心 and 必, seeing myself get better at writing (slow and steady), its all really fun for me, but i would never advocate this for anyone willing to learn japanese unless they truly want to do that as well
@Komatik_3 ай бұрын
It's funny because I've learned two languages to a usable level, one through traditional schooling (Swedish, the classes strove to be as monolingual as possible) and one through mass input (English, via video games and discussion forums). Both clearly work but my English level is far higher (admittedly I basically live my life in English and have barely used Swedish for anything except reading food packaging labels. The language has somehow stuck with me in a usable state where I can think in it and speak in it, but more sort of English thoughts said with Swedish words and limited command of native idiom due to disuse). That immersion works, there's no question: I'm fluent in a foreign language basically entirely thanks to being terminally online.
@Aeroxima3 ай бұрын
I think writing practice has helped me a TON in being able to tell them apart, instead of looking like masses of overlaid lines scribbled on top of each other. Which is even more helpful when fonts are often sized for English, which doesn't need as much space to clearly show all the details. Also I decided that for SPECIFICALLY 左 and 右 I no longer care about correct stroke order, lol. There's a very short list that I'm like, "Yeah, I'm just gonna cheat." It feels like they don't even follow their own rules. (For context, I wrote all of the jouyou kanji, without bothering with meanings or readings, just to get used to kanji in general, marking difficult ones and quizzing till I got stroke orders right just by seeing the character and writing them.)
@uwukia3 ай бұрын
@@Aeroxima i'm really not sure if writing them helps me personally to set them apart, because i started learning kanji already writing them down. so maybe it does! i feel like learning the radicals/components is potentially the biggest helper, not exactly writing them down, but im sure writing them down has at least *some* benefit to memorization which is likely a lot of cost for little benefit in the long run (but again, i love doing it, so i do it)
@squeezlepop3 ай бұрын
Yeah I think for me physically writing kanji (and kana actually) at least a few times helps me see the differences. But I think using it as a learning method vs memorizing stroke order or working to perfect writing them by hand isn't important. And I think Pearl conflated the two ideas.
@Aeroxima3 ай бұрын
@@squeezlepop In my case it was less about memorizing stroke order, and more about having an intuitive understanding of how it generally works. The rare exceptions are just whatever, but being able to see and dissect a kanji quickly I think helps in multiple ways, including quick recognition and looking them up. I'll also say the way I was doing it was to see it briefly, and them copy it down from memory, which I think is also part of what helped. It's training a skill in and of itself, exactly that kind of quick recognition and remembering what the parts were, because for complex ones trying to just remember 12 strokes at a glance would be really hard. Just "it's one of those, these and then a couple of those" is way more doable, and you build familiarity with radicals/components, and the ability to see and distinguish them quickly, which inherently includes telling them apart. Unfortunately the site I used is paid, but it made it like a game, where I don't think I'd have done the same with a paper notebook. Instant feedback when a stroke is wrong also takes a lot of the burden off. So for me, I don't intend to really write them by hand. I was just doing it to help deal with the hell that is kanji, making them more manageable.
@muggysword34743 ай бұрын
One thing I never really liked in the language learning community is "No, you're learning it wrong." "You should do it this way!" "No! Don't do it that way!" To me, as long as you see yourself making improvement and are happy with yourself learning, that's all that matters! Everyone has different learning styles! You've helped me learn a style of learning I enjoy, so keep at it! 👍
@bluebird_9792 ай бұрын
Especaillly with Japanese, probably has the most gatekeeping of any language
@chaska8144Ай бұрын
Still is important as you can learn more efficient ways that may even be more suited to you anyway, and most of the time this is the case
@jamesbarantor70943 ай бұрын
I think at the end where she kinda calls youtube viewers introverts in a demeaning way towards the end is exactly why she made that video members only now. Even as I was viewing it she started getting folks calling her out on it.
@clean_mvp3 ай бұрын
I'm really disappointed in the video against you. A person who simply dismisses your ideas because "she knows better" is just wrong. I mean, I learn English over the internet and now I'm in my first year learning Japanese again using this method. If someone says "textbooks are the key to learning or you have to learn it this way" that's just wrong. Please do your thing and don't listen to these people, they have their own methods and if she says immersion learning is bad she's probably speaking against a higher than average percentage of people who learn it this way.
@Mellowub3 ай бұрын
I started learning Japanese on renshuu two months ago, when your "Learning Japanese isn't that hard" video came out, i've watched all of your videos since. I started Anki, Genki books, input etc.. Every moment I spend taking input, and hearing words that I've either mined, or studied on Renshuu, Anki, Memrise etc.. Has been one of the best feelings of my life, that small tick in my brain of "Wait I know what that means!" especially when I can understand a whole sentence is lovely(Kirei). There's even words that I learned just be input alone that made me remember, like "welcome home"(Okaeri), "I'm home"(Tadaima), "oh really? or "It looks that way"(Sodesune) and things when watching terrace house. Then I would come across them in Anki later on in a deck, or Genki and be like HAHA! Those moments where I don't know what something means, doesn't kill my morale, it just makes me curious what it means, and either makes me mine it for anki, or hope I can comprehend what it means later. (If any of those phrases or something I said was wrong lemme know, also my windows won't let me write Hiragana so I'm stuck with typing it in Furigana lul.) Thank you for all of your advice and your videos Trenton, they've helped tremendously. It's boosted my motivation, and has made me even get out of my shell and really start trying to find ways to communicate with Japanese speakers to practice my output as well.
@niicespiice3 ай бұрын
さあ、勉強の感じるはいい? probably wrong use of の - i’m still sensing out grammar
@Mellowub3 ай бұрын
@@niicespiice勉強しているときに幸せを感じます I haven’t used 感じる (kanjiru/feel) or 感じます in a sentence yet so I hope that it’s correct, but sentence structure and stuff might be off I’m still trynna get used to that and verbs. (my brain is reading it backwards like, feel-happy-time-when-studying for some reason but I know it’s Subject Object Verb etc.. my brain is already rattled)
@arlynnecumberbatch10563 ай бұрын
you can indeed install a japanese keyboard but if its the system that preventing you from doing it then idk
@nathanortiz45983 ай бұрын
It's pretty simple to install a "japanese keyboard" for windows using your typical English keyboard. At least for windows 10. Go into settings then time and language. Click the language tab then add the language you want. Once installed you can swap between outputting English or Japanese when you type, with windows key+space
@Mellowub3 ай бұрын
@@nathanortiz4598 sadly on windows 11, the issue is that the language pack doesn’t actually install, it acts like it does, but then resets itself automatically and never downloads itself. I tried looking through many threads and forums to fix it but most people came down to just resetting their windows, and I can’t be doing that lmao. but thank you for the recommendation 🫡
@bigbong.official2 ай бұрын
Of course, the first video I stumble upon on your channel is the one with drama haha… Love how you make language learning so approachable on your channel. You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
@shadowfoxx143 ай бұрын
She dismisses immersion learning, and yet that's how the military does it. If I was going to trust anyone to give me an efficient way to do something, it's them. The point is that you have to combine immersion with study (again, what the military does). It just seems like she's going into this critique with bad faith, and her reaction just comes off as snooty
@srslywtfcl4p4043 ай бұрын
the mormons also do immersion learning and they are great at learning languages too. they always learn the language of where they go to proselytize
@shadowfoxx143 ай бұрын
@srslywtfcl4p404 I've heard that, too. Her video came off to me as "I went to college and therefore i know better." I went to college, too, and learned more through having to actually use dialog templates (basically acting) than I did in the classes where I had to use a textbook.
@maro_233 ай бұрын
@@shadowfoxx14and as it turns out the person she's criticizing also has a degree in linguistics and second language education ironically enough.
@SenkaZver3 ай бұрын
That's the thing traditional learners don't grasp; if you go into any other field, you'll know that it's practice (and immersion in the work) that gets you the most gains. You'll learn more about something in one month of a professional job than you will in a year of school. Immersion and practice gets you knowledge faster than studying. Studying gets you the technical details immersion and practice will miss. It's that simple.
@reflex92383 ай бұрын
It’s weird as she tried to say immersion or any government agencies don’t use it, when literally everyone big agency and the government does, heck one guy on KZbin even had a video on it. They have an insane amount of material to study and they also use immersion to get their soldiers used to the language. “They eat, breathe and sleep in the language”
@kotonoha6343 ай бұрын
As a Japanese, I can completely agree with “practicing writing kanji is useless” www
@ダットさん-543 ай бұрын
Sorry for unrelated question but how you find motivation to learn English?I want to do the same with Japanese too
@kotonoha6343 ай бұрын
@@ダットさん-54 I don't have any positive motivation. I just want to escape from the real world, which mostly consists of Japanese things in my case. One way is by using English, which helps me forget about what happened to me there.
@ダットさん-543 ай бұрын
@@tyddlup almost same
@ダットさん-543 ай бұрын
@@kotonoha634 suck to hear that,hope everything will at least go better for you
@siekanacebula9503 ай бұрын
@@tyddlupI think you are soulmates. You should take contact to each other
@guyk7683 ай бұрын
Congrats on your KZbinr journey.
@johnengooyen3 ай бұрын
"Theres more than one way to make an omelette" -Oriental "my way is the best way" Pearl, debating MattVSJapan
@Reforming_LL3 ай бұрын
There are more than one ways to make an omelette, but some omelettes are tastier and looks better than others…
@reflex92383 ай бұрын
Finally someone who brings that up, it’s hilarious she wants to forgot that she caused this since she gave MattvsJapan a massive platform who at the time was the biggest advocated for immersion, but now she wants everyone to forget she ever did that.
@AuxxiliaryATC3 ай бұрын
@@reflex9238I’m a fan of mattvsjapan and oriental pearl but I’m confused on why she’s doing this honestly. Matt seems like he stays in his own lane.
@johnengooyen3 ай бұрын
@@AuxxiliaryATC Also a fan of both folks. Originally, she was started calling out "fake" polyglots then it evolved into "my way is more efficient than your way". She is a scholar and I do have a lot of respect for her. I'll hold out on how she responds. If she doubles down and continues to be condescending, I'll reconsider my support for her.
@AuxxiliaryATC3 ай бұрын
@@johnengooyen Seems pretty reasonable, I mean she is very skilled in what she does, but its confusing that she wants to "die on this hill" of what is the most efficient in a subject that tends to have lots of ways to go about learning languages.
@5inque_wu3 ай бұрын
Man I cannot stand her with the face-palming no no no before you even finish your sentence. I hope you speed run to become the biggest language learning KZbinr polyglot there is.
@M4ID43 ай бұрын
It annoys me when people start to critique and misinterpret the video without even understanding what it's about.
@0nearmedbandit3 ай бұрын
I commented on her video, and she even misinterpreted my comment and got defensive as well. I was just saying 'FOR ME' this method works, but that it highly depends on your goals and everyone should do what is best for them, but that the immersion method is GOOD and not a waste of time just because she thinks it is.... then she just kind of threw it in my face... something like 'oh lots of people are just learning as a hobby on the side'.... well my wife is Japanese and I'm trying to get to a native level, so it's exactly what I need to get to where I want to be. I'll admit, she knows a lot more words and grammar than I do, as I'm only arounds N3 level, but her pronunciation is nowhere near the level it should be for her knowledge, in my opinion. that is where IMMERSION helps.
@kmakma83 ай бұрын
I'm Japanese and your videos are very encouraging to me to learn English.
@backstromforsberg3 ай бұрын
Pearl has been pretty underwhelming recently. Her whole thing became criticism, and she's casting too wide a net if you're getting caught in it. When I saw her come at a guy with a degree in linguistics, that spoke for itself. The obvious fake polyglots should be called out, sure, but she's getting caught in the "criticism for content" business model and it's a bit sad to witness. She's got cool insights but she's gotta let other people have their methods too instead of just trying to call people out constantly.
@bobbywhite53193 ай бұрын
It's a common fate for any one-trick pony of KZbin
@momiji73083 ай бұрын
your videos and this video aswell are just right, all you say is completely logical and just makes sense, it's how sooooo many of us learned english in the first place and i find the people who say "oh yeah only children can learn a language without studying it and using only input" just ignorant, in reality ANYONE can, I started learning japanese because of your videos, and I am putting in some serious work despite living in a very noisy and overall distracting enviroment, in 2 days it's gonna be a week since i started and I already learned all katakana and hiragana, you insipred me to pick myself up and do something productive, so keep on keeping on brother! One day I will be able to understand 3 languages and I don't care how long or how hard it's gonna be, I. WILL. MAKE. IT.
@sophieshepherd15733 ай бұрын
I've been learning Japanese for 4 years now and really resonate with your videos, it feels like I'm on the right track. Currently in intermediate hell but after upping my input every day I'm seeing a big jump in my comprehension. I'm also a very extroverted person with a lot of Japanese friends, so I wouldnt agree with that point about "input is for introverts" 😅I just feel I learn more from listening than speaking.
@DeckardManc853 ай бұрын
Right there with you in intermediate hell, when will this nightmare end?!!!
@Singularity-vp9xo3 ай бұрын
Same! I'm five years and also intermediate! just started using the input method 2 months ago and doing good! but...damn man, the memorizing from anki kills me, I remember a word then forget it...this results in 500 words learnt, but about 80-100 forgotten :( it's like taking one step forward and two steps back! very frustrating!
@Singularity-vp9xo3 ай бұрын
@@DeckardManc85 XD a couple more years friend. The best part is when I ask Chat GPT, "hey GPT what's the difference between this word and this word?" and it's like "oh yes, they are essentially the same word, but are used in slightly different contexts." oh, cool so I can use it like this? "No, you have to use it like this" right...okay, so like this, in this context for this reason? "yes" and then I go through a couple of hundred vocab with this same thing being like "Japan...there is something like too much detail" XD lol Hopefully with this input method it goes faster! :D
@hjalmarwinroth3 ай бұрын
Oriental Pearl's terrible accent in Japanese is the proof in the pudding.
@bobbywhite53193 ай бұрын
Does it sound as noticeable as her English lisp? I'd never actually seen her videos as side from the thumbnails, so it was a bit of a suprise that she was so lispy
@ProfKisuto3 ай бұрын
I really like your approach. And good for you for staying level headed. Seeing someone react to your video like that could be initially tough to work through. Wish she didn't have to be so reactionary and laugh at your thoughts. Kind of disappointing. I have met people that REALLY struggle with ambiguity. Like...they refuse to let it be a thing.
@Unknow_zz3 ай бұрын
thanks man for sharing your knowledge, ive been studying for years with books and stuff and its just so stressing. I started doing immersion a while back and i have been improving without even realizing, its honestly amazing
@Clanps3 ай бұрын
Until I found your channel my Japanese learning was practically at a stand still, I was following bad advice and not getting many gains from the practice I was doing at the time. After I changed my methods and follow more in line with what you've taught I've noticed exponential growth. To hear someone even try to challenge very helpful advice is comical to me. Thank you for all that you've been doing on KZbin and happy language learning everyone.
@1kohz3 ай бұрын
I personally don’t mind which is “more efficient,” textbooks or input, I think what’s more important is actually enjoying the process and I’ve enjoyed input with Japanese music, KZbin, tv shows, etc far more than reading a textbook. I’ve made lots more progress with that as well, but not everyone learns the same so the difference in view points between you too makes sense. You’ve already said it when you mentioned how nobody (using the word nobody loosely) in Linguistics really had “proven theories,” nor agreed 100%. Anyway, I’m no major in that so I could just be wrong. I enjoy your videos though, it made learning Japanese less of a struggle since it put some things into perspective for me. Keep up the good work!
@Cyperlina3 ай бұрын
9 video 40k sub and already one "youtube drama" this is the speedrun level I signed up for
@aljavier3573 ай бұрын
Instead of saying "no don't do that!", maybe they should've opted to investigate/explore why different methods of learning exist. I learned English by doing a lot of listening and reading, often collecting words I didn't understand and studying them for later. This was fun. I don't see why this wouldn't work in Japanese, so I applied it after watching your series of videos. It's working great so far. It's made the past year of painful slogging through textbooks and apps a lot more fruitful.
@jamesz.10473 ай бұрын
I pretty much checked out when she started willfully misinterpreting your arguments and omitting important words from your statements to make you and your viewers seem like losers. Really just looks like engagement bait. Keep doing your thing kyoudai. We're all behind ya.
@cakes18313 ай бұрын
I've fallen into the vocab vacuum for almost 2 years now but your videoes have completely like slapped me in the face of what i need to be doing instead of getting frustrated and burnt out. Your videos are super easy to understand and make so much sense and it's a same people are trying to use you as bait
@LiteDisc3 ай бұрын
Canada uses the immersion method in an official capacity through their French immersion program for students, an option to take all core subjects in French rather than English. ETA: 13:30 I think this is a really weird comment for her to make as well because I have grown up meeting people all around the world on games like Habbo Hotel, IMVU, Club Penguin, etc. all through my childhood who openly said they taught themselves English by using games like Habbo and watching English TV. I think her thought process might view it as a bit odd since English is arguably the dominant language of entertainment, but there's absolutely real world cases of this exactly happening all over the place.
After watching your video and trying out some of the tips you mentioned, my Japanese has indeed improved from however I was learning before. Immersion helped a ton, so I guess she just... didn't even try it? Also Oriental Pearl makes those "Oh they didn't know I speak their language" videos constantly so I automatically disregard everything she says.
@Fakuri_1223 ай бұрын
Ive been applying your method and this is the longest streak of Japanese learning i ever did and im actually enjoying this journey compare to when i had to sit down and a write down notes and kanji by forcing myself to remember. Seeing how you motivated me too start trying to pursue learning Japanese again. I would too thank you very much for helping
@M4ID43 ай бұрын
They gave no good points tho, even if u did nit give very useless tips (u gave greaf ones) theyre not even giving constructive criticism, instead shes like "oh he doesnt have this one specific kanji in his deck oh nooo" as if thats important. The overall message is whats important and bc if it me and many others are able to know where to begin learning. Thanks trenton
@GGHF3 ай бұрын
It mainly seemed like she didn't want to feel like the time she spent studying the "normal" way was invalidated by hearing your methods that suggest a different approach. The way she references low morale and all the time she spent with her books; it seems like she just didn't want people to think that studying normally is a bad thing or that she wasted her time doing it, which is obviously not the takeaway here. That said, I do think insinuating that people who prefer an input method are "insecure" in some way is a bit much.
@dycedargselderbrother53533 ай бұрын
Listening to "uncomprehensible input" is underrated. At the very beginning, the point isn't to understand anything, it's to train yourself to parse phonemes. It doesn't matter how long you put it off, no amount of textbooks or whatever is going to prepare you.
@Aeroxima3 ай бұрын
Perhaps, but I've been stuck with that for a looooong time. I found that it's become a bit harder to listen for understanding, because it's just the automatic response now to sort of let it go in one ear and out the other, just assuming I won't understand it. Same with seeing kanji and thinking I just won't be able to understand it. Nothing that can't be overcome, just sharing my experience. I think it's easier to learn to parse if you have native subtitles, especially if the writing matches the pronunciation, like hiragana and katakana, but kanji make it more difficult (furigana helps). It helps correct your hearing to match and conceptualize it, and catch the stuff that sounds similar. とりあえず was kind of hard to hear at first for me.
@o0...9573 ай бұрын
I am stuck with incomprehensible input with the two new language I am learning: Tai Ahom(𑜋𑜩𑜒𑜑𑜪𑜨) and Shan/Tai yai(တႆး). The first one is a dead language with no native speakers and only scholars or people who want to connect with that culture learn it. The second one is mostly spoken in the Shan State of Myanmar. There is literally only one youtube channel teaching in English. It's way easier to learn English and Japanese because there is plenty of content in the internet.
@naymeda87163 ай бұрын
It is still non efficient compared to other methods of studying. Sure it can be useful but what amount is needed for what amount of progress ? Being efficient is not only about the progress you make because you will see progress no matter the method given unlimited time.
@dycedargselderbrother53533 ай бұрын
@@naymeda8716 You have to start listening eventually. Textbook exercises won't get you there.
@naymeda87163 ай бұрын
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 i agree but uncomprehensible is not efficient at 100%, it needs balance
@dohuuhailong83522 ай бұрын
As a Vietnamese which my native language is, of course, Vietnamese, I can guarantee that your advice is entirely correct. My English sucks when I'm in secondary school to the point that I almost got repeat grade (which mean I have to study the same year again) because of it. And now I can confidently say I'm bilingual thanks to my decision of start watching PewDiePie and some content creators at the time. Now I'm on my way to become trilingual because I'm studying abroad in Taiwan so I need to learn Mandarin and I apply the same principles. 1 year in and I can understand 50% - 60% of every kind of conversation now.
@RT-qd8yl3 ай бұрын
100% putting it behind a paywall gives me the impression she's wrong and knows it
@ThinkBeforeYouSleepYT3 ай бұрын
I agree. Knowing how to write kanji outside of the basic stroke orders is a complete waste of time. In my adult life, I almost never handwrite things in English. Everything is done on the computer so spending 2,000 hours memorizing how every kanji is written is just not going to be worth it. Recognizing it in text is really all you have to do and even Japanese people are forgetting how to write a lot of kanji that they know how to read.
@The_Last_Pac3 ай бұрын
Yooo! TBYS? That's a surprise. You should do a video on language learning methinks. Never expected you to be invested in this topic.
@efisiospiga65403 ай бұрын
While I'm not interested in learning japanese myself anytime soon, I find your videos quite enjoyable. I like the pacing, and the clarity and nuance of your sentences are enough to me to know you know your stuff. I've been studying how learning works myself for the past 4 years or so - although I started in the context of learning fighting games, and found out over time that a lot of the notions I've explored are much more general than what I expected - and I agree on about everything you said in your videos.
@Tricolore_mejiro31603 ай бұрын
im japanese native speaker and i didnt know the meaning of 考証, but i felt this is more of something i need to work on instead of laugh at.
@ColemakDH3 ай бұрын
I'm not really sure why she approached this in such an inflammatory way, she clearly has good experience and has a very valid view point, but to share that with others you don't need to tear someone else down
@imperfectruby3 ай бұрын
Scandalous
@トレントン3 ай бұрын
apology video next week
@Dreaming-Void3 ай бұрын
@@トレントン please make it into a song like that one lipstick lady did
@reemou3 ай бұрын
@@トレントン with tears and ukelele now
@Reforming_LL3 ай бұрын
@@トレントンPull out the ukulele bro 😔
@wivyYA3 ай бұрын
bro slapped that "I have a degree on linguistics" on the table like a boss.
@lancegifford13973 ай бұрын
Her video is not to anyone’s benefit, it did however give you the best opportunity to further elaborate what others might have misinterpreted. Good job my man, thanks again!
@Hobbikiin3 ай бұрын
No hate to Pearl, since no reason to be spreading hate, but I really like how you took a respectful approach towards this and saying, "oh maybe I worded that wrong", but I disliked how she seemed to just insult or belittle things. I don't know. Textbooks helped me learn, but I feel like input and immersion has done more for me in learning the language than textbooks have. Good vid mate. You do you, boo
@YasoMaya3 ай бұрын
the fact that I improve my english JUST by listening again and again reddit stories on tiktok prove just you're right like, it's litterally how children learn their native langage
@MidosujiSen3 ай бұрын
The cheeky correction of her mispronouncing 漢字検定 lol
@noor-jz5qp3 ай бұрын
i never thought a penguin would’ve made me actually keep my streak and stay motivated to learn, but here i am ever since watching your first video, and my motivation has remained at an all time high! thanks to you, the pressure of studying a language has been lifted and i just enjoy my input through shows i’ve been already enjoying in english, and i’ve noticed great progress! at first, watching all these motivational how to learn a language videos were a rabbit hole that i couldn’t actually gain much from. but guess that has changed with your video now :’) so thank you!
@ncp90953 ай бұрын
Why is she this disrespectful lol You can disagree without insulting others and I thought teachers of all people should know that
@yenegpo123playz83 ай бұрын
Your immersion method really helped me with my korean ear. I am able to listen to things once and understand the words I know right away. It’s only been about a month since I watched the immersion video of yours and my Korean skills skyrocketed after that.
@GDRonin3 ай бұрын
I found your channel by accident, and now I found the oriental pearl thanks to this video, and tbh my life was better without knowing her, I am tired of this youtubers with egomaniac syndrome,that look everyone over the shoulder, specially westerns ones, but yeah this internet we pass from the society of the spectacle to the society of ego. On the other hand I have to native language by born and always I wanted to learn english but was quite impossible for me, I learn it with the immersion method due I was not available to have any conversation in English until I move to London (God bless the British pubs that was my best school) and now I am living in Japan and I am trying to use kinda the same method but with a bit of help because is not the same(and I am working with English not Japanease), and as you mention this is a long run, anyway all the best luck and I love your sense of humour, keep going.
@liamd30311 күн бұрын
honestly when I clicked on your main video on studying Japanese i was pretty skeptical because there are so many language learning con artists out there but I gotta say your video is solid and a great resource.
@brikaro13 ай бұрын
Ah the classic live react phenomenon where they take every single statement out of context because they keep pausing instead of taking the overall message of the video. Gratz on the first drama and keep up the good work
@Skizze37Ай бұрын
She was intentionally strawmanning your points as a means of establishing herself as a trustworthy and knowledgable figure to her viewers. Really quite sad that she didn't have the security to give credence to you points, thereby expanding the language-learning community itself and bolstering the tools of those within it.
@Skizze37Ай бұрын
Also, "Oriental Pearl"- what is this, the /19/-20s?
@Warlord_Megatron3 ай бұрын
13:20 if that's how you decide whether a piece of information presented to you is useful/true or not then Incompetence is all there is to you, pearl.
@trainerswash99043 ай бұрын
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@RyanBreaker3 ай бұрын
All of your advice has been exactly what I've been thinking since starting Japanese myself a number of years ago and is probably one of the best starting points out there for anyone just starting. Keep it up!
@eternalscholar_3 ай бұрын
"I mean this is KZbin so take it with a grain of salt" Fantastic burn from someone who is also a language KZbinr.
@scootie_scoot9 күн бұрын
9:00 I think it’s more motivating to know that im not going to understand all of it yet. Your video helped me get that there doesn’t need to be this big pressure, and tolerating ambiguity is ok. Learning through college courses put this huge timeframe pressure on me and so knowing that it’s ok to listen to Japanese without not understanding every bit of grammar helped me break the ice back into thinking learning a language was even possible for me.
@MahindaBodhi3 ай бұрын
Does she by chance sell language learning products which promote ideas which you denounce? or is she maybe sponsered by such products?
@poppyalt74273 ай бұрын
Someone else commented that she has a sponsor link or other link to japanesepod101 in her descriptions, which would make sense if so Otherwise I don't know but I find it pretty likely (that or insecurity the way she speaks of her own learning and cuts off his video to mock her interpretation of what he's trying to say).
@psychedelicbear21593 ай бұрын
Love all your counter arguments and completely agree… Except for the Kanji bit. Writing out words absolutely helps to distinguish between Kanji and helps vocabulary retention. Even if you have no intention of writing notes etc in Japanese, it’s helpful. Not all Japanese uses the typical Noto Sans font (for example Book/Movie Titles, Product labels, Shop signs etc) so if all you’re doing is memorizing how they look at a glance on the internet/social media you’re gonna struggle reading other things in real life.
@BENDER34613 ай бұрын
The eternal fight between pedagogy and linguistics. I always am taken aback by attending linguistics conferences because there are so many studies, theories and conclusions that have no material reality in either teaching or learning. Input theory and textbooks can live side-by-side but shouldn't be used as sole methods which I think most of your videos touch on. (Getting a base knowledge of grammatical structure then learning language through input and correction)
@Kaun1s-k9d3 ай бұрын
actually your advice really helped *me* tbh Soo.. I’ll just keep istening to your advice but that doesn’t mean I would limit myself to just taking your advice- for anyone trying to learn Japanese all that really matters is that you choose whichever way suits and helps you learn a language and that actually applies too all languages not just Japanese so good luck 👍
@viruss88923 ай бұрын
I saw that Pearl video before she made it members only. I found it pretty cringey. Over and over they emphatically disagree, just to then walk it back to a position that is more moderate, and sometimes even walking it back to a point where they basically agree with you. It just seemed like they REALLY wanted to disagree for some reason.
@am540043 ай бұрын
Your brilliant mate. I've been trying to learn Japanese for a while without immersion and hit a dead-end so many times but now I watched your video and started with immersion and I'm already making some great progress.
@giatsu42293 ай бұрын
To be fair, there were little to no arguments from her, besides ,,no, my books. And no , i've learnt it this way." So i wouldnt take it too harshly. The most disappointed i am is in her demeanor, that immersion is just for insecure people. All benefits of it aside, but the hell are you supposed to do for example, if there are no classes or outlets for that in your vicinity. Congrats on your first drama! For me it was the same for english, i was just on youtube a lot and adapted.
@daniellaangelina63143 ай бұрын
imo it's harder to oppose immersion method than it is to embrace it. I started learning english in preschool when a friend (also a preschooler) began teaching me. I wasn't in english classes or anything, and now my favorite hobby is writing (in english)--though i still could not tell you what an article or an adverb is LOL. I'd love to learn Japanese to the level where I can translate texts from Japanese to English. your videos have been really encouraging! before finding your channel, I had no idea where to begin learning. so thank you :-) !!
@sicnnasty3 ай бұрын
In my experience input works... Sure I was 7, but at that I age my parents moved us from the UK to France. Within six months my comprehension skills were enough that I was no longer in a school where they taught or spoke English. There is a lot to be said about the elasticity of a child's brain, but at the end of the day, that mass exposure combined with the lack of choice make it so that I went from not knowing a single word of French to being fully fluent in less than a year.
@daysandwords3 ай бұрын
Yep, agree with everything you said. It particularly pissed me off when she was like "Oh input learning is just like niche KZbin stuff" - Phhh, get outta here. When I was in Sweden (for the first time), I would basically go looking for people to talk to, and was very comfortable doing that because I like talking to people, BUT... the only reason that I was able to do that with good Swedish was input. Back in 2018 and 2019, I was trying to "speak my way to fluency" and my Swedish sucked for about 3 years straight... until I started input. Input appeals to people who have tried it. That's all.
@トレントン3 ай бұрын
Lamont
@daysandwords3 ай бұрын
@@トレントン I feel like it should be more me saying "Trenton..." I haven't watched your video that went absolutely crazy but when I saw the title and thumbnail I was like "That's genius. And I bet he basically just advocates for an immersion based method..." Excellent YouTubing... I love it.
@トレントン3 ай бұрын
haha thanks, i appreciate it :)
@oregonduc3 ай бұрын
She told me to not to mistake academic criticism of your channel for blasting. Then I called out her smirk and laugh when she commented on your advice. And no response from her and her making it members only shows she herself can’t take academic criticism. Hypocritical and just bad behavior. 🤦♂️ I also criticized how she never fully watched all your videos on why you didn’t emphasize writing kanji. She wants to make a jail bait being video without getting evidence to back her argument. Then in her video after her bashing she advertises her tutoring in the description box.