Is Mycelium Fungus the Plastic of the Future?

[@UndecidedMF]

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[@RanjitDas-we1zx]

I was thinking about you will upload your video today... And you just did this... 😊😊😊

[@al-aurum2457]

the concern is its biodegradability...you dont want to buy shoes or houses that degraded after few weeks...it definitely works great as a single use product/packaging..though, it has potentials

[@LeeMuayThai]

Mycelium should be more widespread! We should have stopped the use of plastic completely and switched over to something like mycelium. It is so much better for the environment and for our own health, it seems nothing but logical to use biodegradable alternatives to polymers. The societal lag causing old habits to die hard will most likely be humanity's downfall. The lack of federal drive to take initiative on issues such as this is what is holding humanity back.

[@jesanvelazquez7792]

OMG, that is a cheap cost for knowledge!

[@TheZoepers]

would you use the mushrooms aka mycelia

[@disgustedluigi]

Even if it ONLY replaces plastics in packaging that’ll be an enormous win.

[@Niggurath-n4h]

Sad thing is corporate oil companies all over the world doesn't agree. Because their oil by products after fuel production is processed into non-biodegradable plastics. Which won a Nobel peace prize for making plastics possible from oil by products.

[@TeenyTinyDevil]

@@Niggurath-n4h hmm so if they dont make plastics with it they just dump it?

[@Niggurath-n4h]

@@TeenyTinyDevil they can put it back where they dig it or at least process them into a more suitainable products. Remember making it into plastics is just a temporary solutions of delaying the inevitable. All outcomes so far lead to more trash and unsustainable to the environment. Sadly people seems to ignore this cycle.

[@clayz1]

Amazon boxes, the filler material, and clear bubble product packaging. That would cut plastic use in half easily.

[@disgustedluigi]

@Park Justin yeah. Hence my comment.

[@roccobierman4985]

Is this another one of those miracle implements that is waved in our faces, EVERYONE says YES, and then we never see it again?

[@BiscuitFever]

Put your money where your mouth is. Insulate your house with it, get rid of plastics.

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

Yes!

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

Well according to this there are already 4 companies doing it. So maybe it will keep going. And as I understand it you need oil to make plastic. And we are running out of oil. So this has the potential of filling at least part of the demand the end of oil will leave.

[@charetjc]

@@BiscuitFever my house is insulated with fiberglass, paper, and wood...

[@phillipanselmo8540]

considering they're patented, it probably won't be popular for 15-25 years

[@vb0t429]

Lets hope finding a mushroom island isn't hard

[@TheDullNull]

The land of the Mushroom Cows conveniently named "Mooshrooms"

[@corynn.l5146]

Did you know the largest living organism on earth is in fact a mushroom?

[@michamicha1433]

@@corynn.l5146 its.. it's a minecraft joke..

[@notomnithegodking]

@@michamicha1433 he's just giving facts

[@pepearown4968]

Nylium and the stems of giant Nether fungi are technically mycelium, too.

[@youraverageyharnamite5389]

I remember proposing this concept to a friend of mine, they replied “Yeah but I don’t really want to eat off of dead mushrooms roots.” As if decomposed plant juice refined into plastic is better,

[@spacezeppeli7358]

does the dude even know how bread is made

[@calimorale9880]

@@spacezeppeli7358 ahahahaha no

[@error5202]

That poisons you with Microplastics

[@RealLifeIronMan]

Frustration with potential late adopters of a technology may be frustrating, but we must convince people with evidence not verbal jabs. It is unintelligent to disregard reason, but it is unwise to simply write those people off as fools.

[@ritikguptark]

One thing like to mention here is...does the person who made plastic marketed it by saying hey..this is best to use not clothes...the positioning idea is very bad here..even though people started Caring about environments but its not 100% of world, we cant postitiotthese product in market daying this is good alternative to platic and its made of dead fungus ....no absolutely no, coat cutting is the key, if we go to business and deal directly with them no need for customer to know what its made and how, they just get it from market if other alternative is not presented

[@unvergebeneid]

So the forms for the mycelium to grow in, are they called mold molds? ..... or mould moulds in the UK?

[@electronresonator8882]

Mycelium is Fungus ...so fungs or mushs

[@UndecidedMF]

😂

[@richardgoldsmith7278]

Moulds are a different genus altogether.

[@ndawesome1]

Mush molds

[@unvergebeneid]

@@richardgoldsmith7278 molds aren't a genus at all as far as I can tell. There are molds in all sorts of fungal taxonomic groups.

[@speedyboi349]

Imagine my motorcycle plastics being made out of mycelium The mushvroom 🍄

[@HypercatZ]

BA DUM TSS!!

[@lancetheking7524]

Damnit

[@Its_Pronounced_Heezee]

Out.

[@speedyboi349]

@@Its_Pronounced_Heezee haha No(´^-^)

[@xify4315]

...

[@jbj7799]

Looks like HermitCraft’s Mycelium Resistance had a plan all along.

[@kev6144]

turns out it was HEP who were destroying the environment after all

[@gabestr2077]

I was looking for a Minecraft comment lmao.

[@inventiveowl395]

@@gabestr2077 press X : *same*

[@eisenheimabramovich617]

Grian will be so proud to know it's working.

[@ladymak4698]

grian will win

[@keyholes]

I would love to see some big companies adopt this as internal packaging for electronics like TVs and white goods. The polystyrene used for those is the definition of single use - moulded to one product, just to get it to the consumer safely. I would love to be able to put that on my compost heap when I recycle the box it came in.

[@talibong9518]

I think a better Idea would be making it a legal requirement that any goods like this for sale must be built to last, come with service manuals and be easily serviced and repaired, not be subject to any tax and even be subsidised to stop the manufacturing and sales of cheap low quality goods that have minimal warranties and break as soon as it expires. Using mycelium is just not currently feasable because the extra weight of mycelium compared to styrofoam would result in more fuel being used for transport, and the toxic fumes released into the environment from burning additional fuel is far worse than burying some styrofoam. When clean electric can be produced in excess and all vehicles run on electric then it will be worth it.

[@blablabla7796]

@@talibong9518 even if we make it built to last, technology is advancing at a pretty fast rate. TVs just a few years ago looked like clunky messes that displayed a magnitude lower of the pixels. Now they’re heading towards being smart. Imagine having a TV that’s still running the first version of android with hardware that doesn’t allow HDMI input. That’s what your TV is going to feel like in 10 years even if you can keep it in perfect condition. I think having something built to last will only work once we’ve plateaued with TV technology.

[@slate613]

@@talibong9518 Corporations of the world will never make their products more durable/long lasting for one reason. PROFIT If we aren't replacing our phones every 18 months, or our cars every 3 to 5 years, their profits shrink and we all know it's a cardinal sin to interfere with the shareholders profits. . .Even if all they do is sit around in their mansions and make money doing nothing.

[@cacogenicist]

Amazon pushing for that would be huge. Their huge fulfillment centers generate truly obscene metric shit-loads of plastic garbage, daily.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

Nah I want to live in a biological engineered organism. Plant a bunch of trees in a square. Grows the structure rapidly like how fast bamboo grows. Put some spores onto it. Builds some walls. Following the tree path. Have my computer made from human brain cells. Forget to feed my computer enough protein. All the biological engineered structures combine into a intelligent super organism and consumes me. Making me a slave it controls to spread its seeds.

[@neonWHALE002]

20 years from now, Pixar releases a movie about mushrooms having feelings

[@santosdr2]

evolution would indicate that all of life is aware. That is how it forms adaptations to environment and stimuli, so it likely has feelings perhaps not as complex as ours but things alive happen to live. odd concept, so being more intune with life is a good thing. This product is good but understanding that we take life in order to live ours will help us reduce that amount of life shed. Being connected with all things in life and not disconnected from our roles as Humans. We are care takers of this world. But we aren't caring for it real well. Or ourselves.

[@SolutionsNotPrayers]

Super Mario World!!!

[@YHWH-SHUA]

@@santosdr2 that’s not how evolution works lmao

[@santosdr2]

@@YHWH-SHUA Okay. Feel free to explain it.

[@gabgarcia9935]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did have feelings, they are animal like, and all that mycelial network might be like a brain.

[@cgbreeki849]

I would love to one day look at "trash" on the beach, see a mycelium package on the water and know that it won't take long before it's not there anymore.

[@The1stHomosapien]

would you buy something in mycelium packaging over one witth plastic? even if it costs twice the price?

[@cgbreeki849]

@@The1stHomosapien It really depends... but hopefully in the future the prices will change.

[@peterfunny5662]

@@The1stHomosapien well, considering plastic packaging is really cheap, yes I would pay twice the amount.

[@Fenris2]

Yeah enjoy the fungus spores in your intestines

[@enlargedquack]

@@Fenris2 On that note, enjoy the plastic too since you love eating containers so much

[@TurquoiseInk]

I would happily live in a mycelium insulated home, wear mushroom leather and support businesses that used this packaging. Bring it on!

[@speway]

Just note that if you ever decide you sit on a lawn, for an extended period of time, you will germinate.

[@roberine7241]

@@speway what is "germinate"?

[@speway]

@@roberine7241 It's a verb and one of the initial phases in the development of a a seed into maturity. It occurs just prior to root development. The context that I was using it in was a joke and in reply to the comment prior made by TurquoiseInk. It was just a bad joke. Have a great day!!

[@roberine7241]

@@speway ah now I got it. thanks.

[@speway]

@@roberine7241 (Thumbs Up)

[@IloveJellow]

I also just saw somewhere that many mushrooms can in fact digest plastics and still be edible.. But maybe we could use both mixed in with the wood chips to help start breaking down the over flowing plastics that don't get recycled and use it with this plastic fungus method. We are not only helping break down unused plastic, but also making a new product with waste plastics.. MUSHROOMS WHERE THE ANSWER ALL Along!

[@nekosaiyajin8529]

Bro from where I'm from mushrooms are always the answer. Fungi, such great fucking beings.

[@sh-zm7xl]

Paul Stamets uses fungus to clean up toxins and plastic.

[@AidanS99]

I’ll never get behind metal and paper alternatives to plastic items due to their high production energy costs. Sometimes as much as 500 times the pollution into the atmosphere. But this is an actual win win product. Hope it gains traction.

[@freddynovember5842]

3 words Mycelium 3-D Printer!

[@PlanetaJuegosPC]

But can you drink a liquid from a recipent made of mushrooms?

[@PerfectlyFunctioningAI]

@@freddynovember5842 printer? mmm idk if that would work, it grows into a mold it cant be placed in a pattern. Plus molding technology is hundreds of times more cheaper than 3d printing

[@phantamanta4453]

i doubt that it will happen. Right now the only Mycelium-Based Technology is under an license, meaning, that other companies have to pay to use it. If they really wanted to help, they would've created a new license, where nobody can monopolize onto it, yet keep costs down. It all comes down to companies being greedy instead of helpful. I am aware that creating things will cost stuff, yes, but somebody has to bite into the sour apple, or else things like this will just not be feasible, and people will just stay with Plastics instead.

[@phantamanta4453]

Basically, to explain better, let's say, for example, 1Kg of Plastics is worth 50 cents in production, (Obviously not the actual costs, just examples), and Mycelium costs 20 cents in production. Sounds nice, doesn't it? Well, yes and no. You're paying 20 cents to produce it, then you have to pay the company who is monopolizing it, which can easily be a good 60-70 Cents for each Kilogram, meaning, in reality, you're paying 80-90 Cents for 1Kg of Mycelium, compared to 50 Cents for 1Kg of Plastics. obviously companies will stay with Plastics instead because Economy. Money first, World second.

[@jlruss9777]

Anyone thats ever had to install or touch fiberglass insulation would probably say YES to this option.

[@Steror]

Good point, it's really itchy

[@artemis_smith]

Idk, I HATE fiberglass but that stuff can last virtually forever. Idk about dead fungus. Seems vulnerable to getting eaten by animals, bacteria, and living fungi.

[@cofal79]

Its solved by washing in hot water, after you are done, if you have bare skin while working with this stuff... This is common knowledge for people that have been working with glasfiber insulation more than ones... Anyway Rockwool is not glasfiber and not that problematic as example Glava that is glasfiber. Also very flame resistant. So there is already natural products for the glasfiber ones.

[@Trevin_Taylor]

They fixed that. Modern insulation isn’t itchy anymore.

[@TheConjurersTower]

Big fax.

[@coryrabbit]

There are also mushrooms that can not only break plastic down into organic matter, they can survive solely on plastic in anaerobic conditions, making them ideal to use in oxygen poor landfills.

[@patricknelson]

Speaking of foam, as a consumer, I *absolutely loathe* styrofoam with a passion (and that’s not even accounting for the environmental impacts). It makes such a massive mess and is impossible to break down. It can be super frustrating.

[@stepcorngrumbleteats7683]

Acetone breaks it down super quick, leaving a blu-ish fluid that can be molded and reused...the product also takes up a LOT less space...about 20 to 1 with the Acetone able to be reused with a small amount of new fluid added. I have had minor successes with flet panels cut and assembled with either Acetone or EDC (ethylene dichloride)

[@ellaslade140]

superworms can turn it into organic matter.

[@Lydaw]

​@@stepcorngrumbleteats7683 Gasoline can also break it down. The resulting mixture is napalm.

[@sentesues9383]

@@Lydaw I thought you needed a starch in there as well for for thickness and stickyness

[@Yuki_Ika7]

I work at target and I too loathe Styrofoam, especially the cheap stuff, it crumbles and gets EVERYWHERE!

[@Swordkirby9999]

If that's the case, then Minecraft has a huge potential for new items

[@pepearown4968]

Especially since there’s three types of mycelium in the game.

[@prav2568]

@Random Things ok

[@sporttube69]

Plastic block 🥵

[@pepearown4968]

@Random Things If you use hyphae planks in a build, and make it large, then it’s technically a mushroom mansion.

[@JustinRed624]

shroomite

[@gabrielquinterohoyos9151]

The fact that this technology was developed in 2006 and I'm just recently hearing about it it's kind of concerning.

[@KelpWolf]

It's hard to start up. When demand is low, the economies of scale make it really expensive compared to plastic-based materials. Also, oil gets a lot of subsidies from federal gov'ts around the world--makes the marketplace unfair to any product competing with plastic.

[@lancetheking7524]

if lets say, China, India, the US, or just the entirety of Southeast Asia, had there governments fund people enough to make these sorta stuff... then we would be able to massively produce this to wonder glory

[@jeffreyfoster472]

Big Plastic hates this one trick.

[@cryptotic5257]

Because whenever there is a new discovery it means nothing due to pre existing infrastructure. New tech means they have to update their multi-decade old processes and that worries insecure businessmen and women since they are worried about making max profits at every opportunity and their fragile go hangs on the thread of money made that day.

[@tkangwei]

The journey from development to mass production takes time, especially an entirely novel technology with no similar equivalencies to serve as reference.

[@Ddvgh1]

I think it’s a good idea, but it’s a little too rare. Mushroom Islands are ultra rare, often with only one or two within even 10 thousand kilometers of spawn. On top of that, the yield is low from these, as the islands certainly aren’t big enough to provide the amount we’d need. I suppose you could go through the nether and use nylium, but there’s no telling if it’s even near the same quality.

[@brukts3361]

goddammit, I had to google this to find out it was a minecraft reference. I am dumb

[@fp_j_k]

@@brukts3361 same my dude

[@zulhilmi5787]

Dude have you even heard of a bone meal? You can make lots of that island with bone meal and to make things more interesting, you can have unlimited bone meal with a specific farm.

[@Scott_C]

This really feels like an underground technology.

[@Cosmiccoffeecup]

I see what you did there.

[@briangarrow448]

Well played. Polite golf clapping ensues.

[@4tunesfo]

Har, har!

[@ObsidianLife]

***Jazz-clap***

[@SatanicBiPanick666]

soon the fruiting body will emerge

[@christopherp.3307]

*falls over with new shoes "Are you ok?" "Yeah, I'm tripping on mushrooms!" Hahahaha..... please don't hurt me.

[@gutspraygore]

😂

[@obisvanainobis9950]

*hurts you*

[@Komican]

I need your location now

[@chatteyj]

You did a joke, haha, congratulations.

[@FrancisDoubleA]

next 10 years : a bulletproof vest made out from mushroom myceliums

[@Datdus92]

"There's mold in the walls" house buyer: "Great!"

[@TheDragonfriday]

The house is mold

[@jerrywhidby.]

And now I know that mold is a fungi. Thanks.

[@JohnSmith-ns6dp]

“Breaks down within 45 days underground…” Me who just used it to insulate my basement: 😳

[@jerrywhidby.]

@@josephb3147 and Britannica says you're wrong. Mold is a mycelium. www.britannica.com/science/mold-fungus

[@jerrywhidby.]

@@JohnSmith-ns6dp seriously what do they treat it with to prevent rot?

[@mattews91]

I love when ppl use bricks as an example of things that you can do with garbage. Its like if someone lost all his members and someone tell him: "well now you can be a door holder"

[@wizdude]

Use of this for packaging would be such a huge win for everyone. Most items we receive come with so much unrecyclable material and in the “new world” we live in now, we will continue to order and have goods shipped to us in larger quantities and more frequently.

[@pilky_boooi]

it is a terrbile loss for people who get rich from plastics

[@Porabany]

The 3/4 of plastic waste, mostly in the ocean, is made by Asian countries. Even if we will stop using plastic completely, it will not change our situation due to growing countries that dont have the capital to recycle properly.

[@BigHotSauceBoss69]

@@Porabany Hey you're not allowed to say that. The narrative is that America does everything wrong

[@_R_R_R]

@@pilky_boooi thats the problem, they are going to push for the use of plastic. They will spread false information about the mushroom stuff

[@pilky_boooi]

@@_R_R_R yeah I know

[@ruffaldimarco]

Nobody asking the real question: can we eat the packaging?

[@ReddoFreddo]

Yes

[@joshp8820]

You can eat styrofoam packaging too!

[@danielllanitogalvan5954]

You can eat anything if you try hard enough

[@ReddoFreddo]

@@danielllanitogalvan5954 Yes

[@badgerbm]

you can eat anything at least once

[@clabatross3064]

The problem with fungus is that there are so many known mycotoxins and likely even more unknown mycotoxins. For instance, the some Fusarium species are used in fake meat products, but I believe most species in the same genus are known to have harmful mycotoxins. Aflatoxins (produced by Aspergillosis species) are known to be toxic to liver cells and are heavily correlated with cancer and liver cirrhosis. The point is, different species and genus of fungi produce all kinds of different chemicals that we have no idea how they effect the body. I'm not saying fungi based plastics wouldn't be better than petroleum based plastics which probably have an effect on the endocrine system. The industrial uses for fungi seem pretty cool, but I would use caution when using fungi for packaging food or water. I am not an expert, but I took a few mycology classes in college. There is so much we don't know and so many undiscovered species. I think caution is warranted for packaging food. If someone knows more please comment.

[@iris7484]

thanks for this. It's so easy to watch a cool video and be like "YES ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED!!!" but it's good to get a non-pessimistic reality check to remember that it's more complicated. That said, In the age of amazon, though, _just_ the application as a shipping material is exciting. I helped a friend unpack a wayfair couch last year and dear god...i felt like the hole in the ozone was opening directly over their house.

[@BronzeOrwin]

everyone being forced to use the ecovative design design patents, if they want to persue the styrofoam technology, already seems like a massive issue if you want it to ever be competitive with plastic. the issue I'm noticing is that everyone wants to *feel good* about eco products, but not concern themselves with the issues of the industry's own creation

[@Mordecrox]

It has always been about the Feel-good, a few procedures that happen to be cost-effective and beneficial for both companies can also be construed as environmental care are retrofitted as such One example being companies getting your used network cables from demolition and renovations and giving you credits for new products, if you meet a certain threshold they can emit a "friend of nature" certificate so both of you can pat each other on the back even though this is a profitable transaction for both sides and looking good to the public eye is just the cherry on the top

[@shannabolser9428]

Patents expire. True it takes years but it will happen then this stuff will be everywhere

[@user-ze7tl2dw4i]

"Mycelium fungus" is like saying root plant or skin animal.

[@krabgaming8523]

We do say root plant

[@Sillyhands1]

There are non fruiting nonmycelium fungi, so this is an important distinction and completely correct.

[@ahorseofcourse7283]

I AM A SKIN HUMAN

[@DMSProduktions]

@@ahorseofcourse7283 4 skin?

[@Pope_]

storing my food using human skin 😳

[@Terx37]

This technology is so simple ! Imagine how the world would have looked like if someone discovered this before plastics Edit: I did not mean to say that this was superior to plastics in every way, just that if we knew of this sooner, we could have had a good alternative to plastics decades, maybe even centuries sooner, as the production of such a material would not require the advanced knowledge in chemistry as the production of plastic would. Im not saying its better than plastics, its not, as it is only aplicable in a few things, all I am saying is that if this was discovered, lets say by accident, in the 17th century, it could have started a completely new era.

[@deadwingdomain]

All about that funding

[@darkwingduck47]

what about capacity though? it takes a week to complete the process...too slow...

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

not that different. We'd still be using plastics, because this can't replace all plastics. This has it's place, like replacing styroform packaging, but many other things you wouldn't want to be made of this. Also, you can make plastic stuff much quicker, so companies would still have preferred using plastics.

[@Auoric]

We proposed this to our research adviser but they rejected our proposal because it's "impossible". When this tech conquers the industry I'll be sure to be back at their office and slap them with newspapers covering this.

[@syndrome5372]

not great, since its far slower and more expensive to manufacture, and it rots. it's also not transparent, pretty much definitely considerably weaker than plastic, is'nt waterproof, probably has a funny smell to it since it is essentially dead rotting plant matter, it would make anything it is packaged with wet and slimy as its a mycillium, would be full of bugs since it's a weave rather than a solid object, and it pretty much just not fit for purpose at all. its the same as all of these "saving the planet" ideas. sounds nice...totally impractical and doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[@Riolunator]

When you've been terraforming mountains using mycelium in Minecraft and want to justify it

[@quandale_dingle6353]

Bro i got to this vid looking up mycelium building tips for mc

[@vlucas6134]

let’s start a resistance

[@Kuria_zhaints]

It's about the principle

[@Morningstar_37]

@@Kuria_zhaints And about sending Scar a message

[@edsweet2858]

@@Morningstar_37 correct

[@Kefuddle]

Having lived in Vietnam for some years, I have seen the plastic horrors of the South China Sea first hand. This is an amazing first step!

[@iantaggart3064]

And there are several initiatives like Ocean Cleanup to undo the damage already been done.

[@Respectable_Username]

"It's about the principle" - Mycelium Resistance

[@wabash9000]

I was wondering if anyone else watched this video because of hermitcraft season 7.

[@junenightmare]

This made me giggle

[@tnsquidd]

TO SEND SCAR A MESSAGE!

[@beholder8467]

I was waiting for this lol

[@MrLogicAndReason]

Yes!

[@pb7857]

When you mentioned housing, my first thought was my house would be growing mushrooms due to the wet environment I live in. I'm both glad to know that the material is already dead, and disappointed I wouldn't get a free crop of mushrooms :)

[@David13ushey]

Growing your own mushrooms is ridiculously easy in certain locals. I've got a tray I harvest a half dozen from every day. Just replace the organic fertilizer every year and you can keep eating the same mushrooms (an no, it doesn't have to be manure. There are plant waste fertilizers out there.). Just has to be not to hot, not too dry, and not too wet. Best of all, you can grow them out of sunlight. It might just be me, but they also seem to grow best in quiet. Not sure if that's a factor or not. I have mine in a basement garden I maintain with hydroponics, but the mushroom tray was long before I put in the hydro system.

[@Anjiwee12]

@@David13ushey Daaaaamn it’s that easy? I would be your neighbor and I’ll make a bunch of spaghetti for you.

[@David13ushey]

@@Anjiwee12 Soooo yes and no. Remember how it has to be not too hot, not too cold, not too wet, and not too dry? It takes a bit of effort to keep it in the sweet spot. I use four thermometers and four moisture sensors to keep the tray stable. But once you find it and the mat is established, it's pretty regular. Depends on what kind of mushrooms you grow too. There's some more exotic varieties you can grow on logs and the like with a more nutty flavor. I grow cremimis. I know some folks that try to grow shitake but they're a lot more fussy. There's tons of variety. It's just making a nice stable place for the mushroom of your choice. OH! One other warning. When you're making your bed, keep it very clean. An environment good for mushrooms is also good for other fungi, namely mold. You want to keep the bed itself clean and as moisture free as possible.

[@planetearth8044]

@@David13ushey When you were giving your last warning, I thought for a moment that you meant the bead you _sleep_ in, not the bed you _grow mushrooms in._ I was willing to accept that too, as I thought " Yeah that makes sense, if one disperses spores before you can prune it you don't want mushrooms growing on your bed" It was only after I reread it twice I understood

[@joshoxborrow2314]

Can I just grow the insulation right in my walls?

[@epictoast6727]

I'd pay a little extra if a company used this instead of normal packaging.

[@rjc0234]

you say a little extra, but the last time (about 8 years ago) I saw this technology, you were looking at 30x the amount. You are already paying about £10 for the packaging for your £300 TV, do you want to pay more for the packaging for your TV than for you TV? And also Polymer packaging for that TV can be produced and packed in hours, vs the week it takes to just grow the mycelium. Time is what kills this for most people. Some smaller companies (notice how almost everything packed was expensive wine) are OK with it, but the price for 3million TV packs, it might be cheaper for that company to invest in a waste return scheme where they collect the packaging after delivery.

[@epictoast6727]

@@rjc0234 bud, I said a little extra because I ment I'd be willing to spend a little extra and not alot extra. If it's alot extra I'd opt for a standard packed item given the option.

[@epictoast6727]

@@gypsy_haas5869 that would be the best of both worlds if ya ask me.

[@allancoelho6905]

Like, its cheaper than plastic right? So we would pay less i guess

[@rjc0234]

@@epictoast6727 But this isn't "a little extra" this is a lot extra. You want a sustainable future you are going to have to pay for it.

[@Kikuri_Dood]

You can't say it's plant based if it is made out of mushroom, when then it's fungie based

[@parabolicazero2775]

Sounds absolutely promising. The beginning of a new era where the technology is biological.

[@freddynovember5842]

3 words Mycelium 3-D Printer!

[@yousufal-rashidguro270]

@@freddynovember5842 GENIUS

[@hikerieger6319]

@@freddynovember5842 We need this

[@evil1st]

Sounds like a good idea to have everything be made out of biodegradable products. I cant wait for my TV and my sofa to disintegrate! I might as well start a bio-engineered product company, because I will make trillions of off planned obsolescence.

[@freddynovember5842]

@@evil1st start a biodegradable propane and propane accessories store lol

[@ndawesome1]

Every one of these videos gives me an "I want it now" reaction. The possibilities exposed by new research are endless, but take a long time to come to market and become widely accepted.

[@Beakerbite]

The biggest issue is that all the plastic manufacturing machines are already built. Even if a new product came out that was ridiculously perfect in every way, but incompatible with current injection molding, we'd still see it take decades for the market to migrate. They aren't going to throw away working machines until they are no longer profitable to operate.

[@nahuelcutrera]

@@Beakerbite that's where government should come in, enforce measures about leaving plastic behind and even give subsides to companies that need them for the change of infrastructure. But they won't do that because they don't give a damn and they are all corrupt from top to bottom.

[@walterbaltzley4546]

Product cycle times keep getting shorter and shorter as computer modeling and 3D-Printing bring down development times and costs. China just introduced a wafer-sized processor that is essentially an entire data-center on a single piece of silicon -- ONE TRILLION transistors on a single chip... That is the equivalent of 1,000 PC's on a disk the size of a large pizza... Stack ten thousand of those, and you have more processing power than exists on the entire planet. With that kind of computing power, you could model a thousand generations of product development before you build your first prototype. In just a few years, you can skip the awkward stumbling and develop an optimized product in the same time it takes to build a prototype today.

[@Justwantahover]

@@Beakerbite The NSW govt in Australia wants to ban all disposable plastics and if all countries did that the plastics factories would be forced to abandon their machines or convert them somehow (when it comes to disposable plastic shit).

[@RandyRandersonthefamous]

Government can fix it, if it stops trying to give "free" things out and buying tanks

[@madeofmandrake1748]

I could feel my faith in humanity restore as I watched this video. A smile grew across my face as I continued to watch. As a biochem student I could not be happier with this technology. I hope we see this tech become normal across the world.

[@userurirhhrududjd]

@okay that's true. Even tho there's so much shit out there, there are still people out there who are doing genuinely good things to help us.

[@forreal_suckers]

@@userurirhhrududjd exactly! There has been recent studies over the years of scientists making cement with microorganisms. Like imagine you driving on a road of cement that secretly has billions, probably trillions of microorganisms that are feeding off of Co2 instead of spitting it out! Like dont even lie that sounds fuckin cool

[@Joe.8671]

Don't put faith in humans put faith in God everything man does fucks up everything

[@TheGbelcher]

Don’t hold you breath. Notice we didn’t talk about scalability or cost at all.

[@nobodyimportant4778]

All fun and games until a hitman from every plastic company shows up at the maker's door at once

[@ahlamamr4659]

That is amazing. I wanted to use mycelium in an environmental architecture competition in my school but I didn’t really understand it thank you for clarifying things in simple way.

[@dancingoctopussmead]

Great presentation. I remember doing some research on these products back in college to test their susceptibility to termite damage. Interesting to see this industry becoming more mainstream.

[@dancingoctopussmead]

@@CrispyApplJackz Termites would eat into them but overall held up pretty well. Especially when compared to the control which was pine wood. It did seem that if the environment was too wet they were quite susceptible to having mold grow that the wood did not have an issue with. this was a while ago so my memory on all the findings might not be perfect.

[@acadianheatingandair3291]

I was wondering how it holds up to termites so what's the answer please respond

[@ericsagen5229]

There's actually a fungi that is a death sentence for termites. They have been busy as of late turning this fungi's into pest control for other bugs that are useless and bothersome to humans. Mushrooms are the future!!!

[@socalpotato]

Surely some plant-based component can be mixed in which deters insects? Like lavender’s usefulness against garden annoyances.

[@dancingoctopussmead]

@@socalpotato Possibly but I was simply testing the base material so they had a control line to reference. I do not know if they continued with the research and I don't remember the companies name so I can't look it up either.

[@kenyenmusic7548]

As someone who was just researching the mushrooms that can eat a diet solely of plastic, thank you so much for this video.

[@saif-gv6gl]

w8 so mushroom can eat plastics?

[@kazikek2674]

@@saif-gv6gl Fungal organisms have a lot of oddities and wide potential applications. Since there's a fungus in Chernobyl that 'eats' the radiation, a fungus able to utilize plastic for its bioprocesses does not surprise me at all.

[@suryaananth2744]

Video: "Mycelium fungus can be used for computing circuits" me: having resident evil village memories

[@daton3630]

mmmmmmmmmmm fungi

[@erich6860]

LOL right.

[@era7928]

MOLDSSSS!

[@nates9105]

Oh shit, here we go again!

[@nonesuchone]

Subnautica flashbacks too

[@VanuOfMILF]

As with most new solutions, the real question is "is it competitive at scale?" Doesn't matter how good the product is, if potential customers can't access it due to supply shortfalls.

[@inventiveowl395]

Did you watch the video? :D

[@WopSalad]

​@@inventiveowl395 Did it not seem odd to you he only said, "price competitive" instead of giving an actual price comparison? If it was really that small of a difference he would have given an actual price, instead of dancing around it. Until this product becomes cheaper than the current stuff it's going no where. You're only going to see mycelium packaging for high end products.

[@Ben4A]

@@WopSalad Yeah it only costs about half a cent to make a bottle of plastic while it probably cost one to $5 to make this mycelium thing So it's not price competitive at all

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

The slow manufacturing process likely means that the products are not cost competitive with ordinary plastic products, however, if the costs of plastic products are taken in total to include the environmental impact costs then mycelium products might actually be cheaper.

[@WopSalad]

@@ismailnyeyusof3520 ah, yes. Because billionaire CEOs often put the environment before profit. Nothing against those CEOs, that's their choice and at the end of the day probably the choice I'd make in their situation.

[@biblequotesdaily6618]

these innovations are a great step forward, but i honestly dont think we're gonna put a single dent in the behemoth plastic industry unless we change our economic policies. plastic is just so profitable the downsides are incomparable.

[@EndingEchoes93]

I like wearing my mycelium hat to parties because it makes me a fungi

[@nazfx2648]

why

[@hauwley]

Why

[@bruntigeneral9081]

i see what you did there

[@lucifermorningstar1902]

Appreciate your dad joke over there

[@Jackbarrany]

Take your like and get out!

[@genzedaph2417]

Grian be like: SPREAD THE SPORE

[@KaizuoSilva]

yes i was thinking this

[@gerardprescilla3440]

Grain

[@JD_1776]

ITS ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE

[@Kilo-sz4ch]

@@gerardprescilla3440 dont be a grammer nazi, he isnt even talking about grain. Grian is a person

[@colinouille2786]

@@Kilo-sz4ch who is this grain character

[@KirbandtheOatmeals]

Fast forward to 50 years and we're all gonna become druids.

[@NatalieRath]

Druid of the Mycelium

[@Lolski_924]

@@NatalieRath sounds badass honestly

[@_charademon_]

Or tyrans)

[@kudachi999]

It's-A me, Mario!

[@loganwalker8537]

treants or fungoids from stelaris

[@Goober_gobbler]

I think its interesting how we discovered plastic before the mycelium plastic. Shows how little we payed attention to funguses scientifically, and to nature.

[@Misaka-gt5yj]

Fungivores be like: "It's free real estate"

[@metalrain300]

Fungi have always been one of my favorite things. I love mushrooms. This makes me happy as it supports something I really like.

[@metroboonk5961]

@@metalrain300 it really isnt you know

[@metroboonk5961]

@@metalrain300 well it is but the only thing thats being helped is us not the mushrooms. Mushrooms can feel pain. Atleast theyll die for a good cause.

[@metalrain300]

@@metroboonk5961 everything that is living feels pain. What you gotta learn is what evils are you willing to risk. Their death aren’t in vain and help us tremendously. This is the Way

[@metroboonk5961]

@@metalrain300 and not only us but countless other animals that are being affected by plastic

[@dazley8021]

The Last of Us fans: "Oh no no no no" otherwise promising technology!

[@GianniStorti]

Damn, better off start practicing now with the bow!

[@skyrim.breton.preset.4]

What fans?

[@Logalactic]

@@skyrim.breton.preset.4 me (-_-)/

[@tonytwinkletoes3149]

@@skyrim.breton.preset.4 i forgot it even existed for the simple fact it's a PS exclusive and let's be honest... It's not that great.. so these are valid facts

[@DeathProductions200]

@@tonytwinkletoes3149 when the game came out initially it was id say a solid 8/10 for zombie games. Had a better orgin for zombies at least, instead of a virus, something that actually can potentially happen in real life.

[@PluralPaul]

I'm all in for this stuff. Clothing/wearables-wise, mycelium might help cut-down on waste in the clothing industry through constant manufacture of shoes, and the like. My hope is that shoe companies will stop endlessly pumping out new shoes that might never be worn, and realize they can still have a decent flow of income by selling replacement soles and other components that often drive people to buy new shoes, effectively making shoe repairs more affordable yet profitable. We already have algae foam, so it's about time mycelium steps into the spotlight.

[@freddybell8328]

Shoes respond to trends and trends change. People don't want to repair their ten year old pair of shoes that are no longer stylish.

[@thejinn99]

@@freddybell8328 This isn't true for all customers though, right? I know personally, after I've found a shoe/boot that I like, I'll go back and buy that same model again and again. I guess it helps that those styles are seen as classics. I mean, its either that or I don't really care too much about looking very stylish.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

It's the people who go and buy the latest fashion even if their old stuff is still fine. Try telling people they shouldn't buy so many shoes, especially to women who really like shoes, they really won't like it. These mycelium shoes won't last very long either.

[@whichDude]

@@freddybell8328 Maybe people would replace normal shoes, but being able to cheaply repair actual working shoes would be great. Most people don't wear steel toe shoes or kitchen shoes for style. They wear them because they serve a purpose often job related. Some jobs wear out shoes rather fast.

[@sachabinky2915]

Soles don't wear out like the bodies do, joggers usually rip

[@unkarsthug4429]

How do they ensure the complete removal of any spores? As someone on immunosuppressants, I've been specifically told to stay clear of fungus in particular if it could still be in a living state, or even if the fungus itself is dead, if there might be any spores still alive.

[@NotHeitu]

Maybe the heating process also kills off spores, although from the video, they’re transporting these blocks pretty openly, I wonder how much spores end up in an uncontrolled state. Do you think the dead fungi serve also serve as a new ground for spores to grow in?

[@sutarn_gamer4159]

@@NotHeitu Valid question there

[@cossackchad8296]

Unless you're in a spacesuit, you are inhaling over 10k fungus spores every minute, fungus is something that's impossible to evade

[@TheBangooman]

I wish companies just replaced plastics for this as much as possible, without asking and without us having to do shit. Just like they replaced previous materials without asking. Down 100% with this. Mycelium all the way baby!

[@-Devy-]

It's all about the $$.

[@mave2789]

@@-Devy- it always was, and it will always be. Until the humanity ends itself

[@BenjamintYT]

@@mave2789 Exactly. Humanity is so focused on money that they don't stop to look at how they earn it. We destroy our planet, pollute our atmosphere, all for a piece of paper that is only worth something beacuse a group of people decided so.

[@mave2789]

@@BenjamintYT Endless greed, in a limited world

[@chiefsam34]

Not to mention what we are doing to ourselves and other people during those processes

[@DoctorX17]

Considering it's biodegradable, I'd have some concerns using it as a permanent building material, but certainly it's perfect for replacing single use plastics. Although for building, it might be great for short term pavilions -- grow a small building in a week, and a few months later it's just dirt, and if it's in a forest, no need to even remove it!

[@lampostsamurai2518]

Wood is also biodegradable. Still make houses it of it

[@DoctorX17]

@@lampostsamurai2518 fair... Although wood doesn't turn to dirt in 45 days. Plus it's usually treated to increase strength and/or durability

[@joedibble4199]

I’d have concerns of rot and insect infestation if used as insulation. For that matter rodent infestation?

[@CUbanageNT_24]

@@DoctorX17 Its like you didnt even watch the video. He explains how it can be used for construction

[@priceward2167]

@@DoctorX17 maybe I missed it but I didn’t see the video say it turned into dirt in 45 days? The only issue with it as a building structure, is that it isn’t very strong compared to wood or concrete.

[@maximusDAbiker]

I love the fact you include economic factors in your videos. It provides a realistic hope as things become cheaper, more cost effective etc. Most modern products we commonly use every day have become thousands of percent (percents?) cheaper overtime. Most things you cover are more expensive and more complicated, but within the next 20-50 years, I can see a lot of the products/concepts you cover becoming mainstream because of their cost effectiveness.

[@AIM-9X_Sidewinder]

imagine buying a cellphone case made out of this fungus, but wrapped in plastic

[@kingcryonical]

Grian's inscentives become awfully clear.

[@requiem2026]

I see

[@JD_1776]

You beat me to it. Those darned hep fools

[@realmcenter]

Hep was no match

[@lolitsmeanimatins3729]

I was looking for a comment like this

[@DivineDefect]

Omg this is perfect

[@marsgizmo]

Love this, great episode! 👏😌

[@paw0960]

you here? lol

[@arturofernandez8487]

Imagine 3d printing with this

[@fritzdeuces]

What's sad is that they decided to patent this technology.

[@crazydragy4233]

@@fritzdeuces Isn't the thing with patenting tho if you don't somebody else will? Not to mention different laws in different countries. You could effectively be locked out of your own product. It's not the patents that are bad, it's how they are used.

[@MikeDaner2630]

So, if anyone knows the game Dwarf Fortress: this is basically elf crafting

[@simonwesterlund2151]

This sounds like some dnd underdark technology 🤣

[@KainYusanagi]

More like Deep Dwarf crafting. Remember that elves hate you harvesting cave mushrooms for "wood", too. unless you just mean the "here's a mold to have it grow to shape" bit.

[@ghanphol]

Which means we need to burn whoever came up with it I refuse to use anything those filthy tree hugging cannibals do

[@bow-tiedengineer4453]

@@KainYusanagi I think he meant the grow to shape bit.

[@TheDragonLord12341]

Dude that game is fucking nuts...

[@skperform]

I wonder what mice and other rodents would think of mycelium home insulation?

[@fredbach6039]

A young fellow tested polystyrene as a food for several organisms and found a worm that eats and digests polystyrene for food, and thrives on it. We should be pushing that technology too.

[@blueturborider]

yeah, and the by-product of that was antifreeze which is also no recyclable and toxic

[@walterbaltzley4546]

@@blueturborider That word non-recyclable is a misnomer -- It is not PROFITABLY recyclable... Matter is made of energy, which can neither b created nor destroyed, only converted to another form... The energy required to break the chemical bonds and then combine them with something else to make it stable and non-toxic costs more than the final product is worth. Everything is recyclable, not everything can be recycled PROFITABLY.

[@timothyduffy8818]

@@blueturborider if it turns to antifreeze it is just molecules composed of Carbon and Hydrogen or Hydrogen and Oxygen, which then can be broken apart with energy.

[@That-No-Moon]

Another good thing to get rid of plastics is a fungus called Pestalotiopsis microspora that also converts plastics.

[@blueturborider]

My point is that you can't reduce anti freeze ( if you can I don't if can and after reading the comments under I wonder how energy efficient that is) other point is that I don't think you can reuse. I might be wrong

[@SonOfKukusan]

me, a hermitcraft audience, would expect something like mycelium vs grass

[@arventus]

well we ALSO have seagrass as alternative to plastic,and its edible

[@danielegerton9890]

Order from IG @Mycohenry33 and thank me later

[@Shetty404]

Me: **Sees Mycelium in the title** Also me: **Has Hermitcraft Turf War flashbacks**

[@danielhumphrey6950]

podzol party!

[@danih.5675]

I was trying to figure out why my soul screamed every time he said mycelium

[@Warren1138]

The resistance lives.

[@thepastaprogenitor851]

I was litterally just watching grian's new vid.

[@jakalder]

@@thepastaprogenitor851 same

[@blinco1539]

I really dislike the amount of power Amazon has, but if they were to use this technology I really think we would see almost every other company follow suit which would reduce plastic waste by crazy amounts! Also acoustic insulation is something that’s often overlooked so thank you for looking into that! I feel like noise is a big issue in large cities, not only because of the amount of sounds happening, but because I imagine sounds bounce off of the buildings and concrete. By building stuff out of these materials we could reduce noise pollution too!

[@julianweiser9985]

I loved their application of cardboard tape. Now i use it too. Its much easier to work with than standard plastic tape because it doesnt stick to itself as much.

[@willm5814]

Sounds brilliant to me…can’t see a downside…not sure how much more plastic we can ingest before- plastic caused cancers start to ramp up

[@a.b2966]

It already did.

[@son473]

And male infertility

[@johnnyllooddte3415]

no downside..thats what the environ mental whackos said when they forced us to replace glass and paper bags with plastic

[@tuulikk2]

@@johnnyllooddte3415 Maybe there was none for a short time except for the people producing that garbage. But for a long time the downsides has just been growing. This can't take over too soon.

[@matthewpopow6647]

Hmm... the few I can think of... how often do you need to replace your current insulation compared to this. Another would be possible allergy. Time, it takes seconds to make injection molded plastic compared to a week for this. None of these things say NOT to keep going, I love this idea. But we can't be so blinded byt the benefits that we ignore the flaws... thats exactly what got us to the point we're at.

[@majesticctrees]

There’s a place close to my hometown called Mushroom Mountain. They’ve been researching and creating construction materials with mycelium like cinder blocks and insulation. My biology class took a field trip there and it was probably the coolest thing I’ve seen.

[@TheNinja94a]

Idk how you can answer my curiosity as to where it is without doxxing yourself/family but it'd be pretty cool if ya could. Edit: didn't realize that you named it in the title, found it.

[@alexbrauner9417]

Oil companies are hanging on for dear life. In my area, an oil company sued Netflix for making the oil industry sound bad for the environment (all the show did was state facts)

[@doodoodoodle]

Loooool if stating factual information makes a company feel bad, maybe they should change their practices. These industries say they'll go green by 20XX, but that in itself is almost a paradox. Oil companies going green? The only green they are interested in is that cash money 😂

[@bojackhorseman4176]

I mean, I wouldn't say they're "hanging on for dear life", since oil-based products are still more prevalent and cheap than most of the alternatives save for a few specific cases. It's going to be a few years until we see widespread mycelium foam usage, let alone replacement for things like gasoline or rubber.

[@Lt_Scott]

Out of curiosity, would your area happen to be Alberta, Canada? I ask because our gov has sued Netflix for a movie that depicted the oil industry in a mildly negative light

[@rudolfdirks9253]

@@bojackhorseman4176 gasoline will be become obsolete in the future sadly. Just as much as combustion engines, because of the Electric Vehicles hype. I say sadly because there is a way to make "synthetic" gasoline. By using hydrogen combined with carbon, you can get the fuel, in an even more pure form than otherwise. Porsche is studying exactly that and the aim would be to use the CO2 out of the air to produce these so called E-Fuels. Quite expensive to make tho. And rubber? Again, E-fuels do the trick here. Not quite, but the same principle applies as gasoline, rubber, wax and all plastics are somewhat comprised of carbohydrates, that can be produced in the same way that E-fuels can be produced. But plastics... ye we need the stuff from this video for that.

[@justinsander7654]

Hemp polymers for clear plastics the byproduct of which can be used for the base component to grow the Mycelium plastics.

[@Entropic0]

"It takes about a week" - yeah but making 100 polypropylene bottles takes ~15 seconds so they're going to have to speed things up if they want to even have a chance at competing. Also, one of the properties that makes plastic useful is that it DOESN'T biodegrade. This is very important in food packaging / storage, for example. A biodegradable plastic will almost certainly never be safe for food storage or anything that requires sanitation, chemical resistance, sunlight exposure, water exposure, or is used outdoors. Many biodegradable plastics have existed for a long time (this is nothing new) and many products are based on them. Oil based paints are a great example. Linoleum is a great example. Being "cost competitive" with polystyrene depends on the scale. PS is very scale-able. Spending a week to make a product means it will have almost 0 scale-ability by comparison. So to compete at the same volume as polystyrene the cost probably won't be anywhere close. It's a cool idea but this sounds like 100% pop science hype with near zero practicality. On the subject of replacing plastics with a more sustainable solution, there is already an answer: metal. You can get stainless steel straws, plates, bottles. SS is hygienic, durable, easy to clean, recyclable, and generally cheaper than plastic in the long run if reused many times. With care they can last many years, even decades, displacing hundreds or thousands of disposable plastic products.

[@OjStudios]

Once again, price, price and price. Insert that Indian quote here about eating money. If we would just slow down a bit and think for a second, all those troubles created by greed just melt away.

[@D3R3bel]

Theres a few issues i have with the idea of this material, particularly their efforts in using it as a construction material and circuitry. The main draw for the product is that its bio degradable, so why are they even trying to use it for things that NEED to last a extremely long time like construction material and circuits? its completely contradictory. Their "3 years of weathering" test doesnt work because unlike concrete and masonry, subjecting it to environmental torture tests dont work because it doesnt account for the bio degradable portion of the material.

[@Entropic0]

@@OjStudios Environmentally friendly & sustainable solutions already exist (stainless steel, for example) so if consumers aren't buying the more expensive product, opting for the cheaper plastic, it means the benefit wasn't worth the cost, and that's the problem. "Green" plastics can't get their costs down while being inferior to traditional plastics in many ways. So you can't expect consumers to buy a worse product at a higher price. Do you think it's "greedy" for consumers to spend their money wisely? No, it's greedy to think consumers should buy an inferior product at a greatly inflated price.

[@OjStudios]

@@Entropic0 That was exactly my point. Companies are greedy and everything is always about cost. Cost usually comes down to the time spent on something or it's rarity. "takes about a week to grow, 45 days to compost" vs. "takes seconds to produce, hundreds or thousands of years to compost but still leaves microscopic crap behind." See the point? On a raw material based cost, this fungi is totally cheaper than any plastic. It's just the laziness "we already have the means" and "consume, consume, consume" so we need 10 million plastic cubes for packing instead of 1 million in a said time frame. It's funny how most of the processes we have today are far faster and superior to anything we had back in the day, still the older stuff that wasn't manufactured to breakdown, is still here. We could make things that last almost forever where needed to and things that just vanish away if needed, but again, more volume, sales = greed, because this and that needs their new phone or pair of poorly made jeans.

[@jankoodziej877]

Not every product needs and can be reusable. Realistically speaking we also need something that more or less used once. I think it's not a coincidence most of the video focuses on the packaging materials. But yeah, I agree. Like so many other videos, this is pop-science that focuses on the huge benefits while almost not mentioning the drawbacks of the new technology.

[@kaspergruszczynski9919]

I'd be more than happy to use mycelium insulation, seems like a cool application, though we'd have to see if due to the heat and moisture it may degrade in the walls. I remember reading or watching something about mycelium bricks where they are made dormant but can be reactivated to bind the individual bricks together into one structure and then made dormant again. Seems like a great application. Or imagine growing the mycelium in the wall cavity on site and then neutralizing it. Perfectly sealed cavity with the insulation bonded to the studs. May even act as an air barrier.

[@alias6676]

I can't believe that Mycelium Resistance has been brought into the real world lol

[@garryjones62]

I clicked this video just to see how long it would take me to find a hermitcraft comment.

[@5TimesWCC]

Afterall, I guess they won

[@alias6676]

@@garryjones62 Remember, it's all about the principle

[@scottmcmaster4927]

There is another alternative that uses recaptured CO2 from the air fed to water based algae that then produce a material that can be used to produce a plastic alternative with most of the same properties that can be used to produce the same sort of products and biodegrades within a few years. A great alternative for disposable items such as straws, shopping bags, disposable cutlery.

[@Kitaros_Anxious]

Minecraft players be like : "Oh yeah it's all coming together"

[@TheNamesArif]

it's about the principle

[@ItsPixPlays]

*yes*

[@meteorsoda369]

It’s about the principle!!!

[@lemonstarofficial]

it’s about the principle

[@distantmind956]

I don't want more fungus in my shoes! In all seriousness though, I'm so freaking hyped for this becoming mainstream!

[@squashduos1258]

Warmly recommend the book Mycelium Running by Stamets

[@gebys4559]

Entangled Life is pretty good too.

[@THLGargamont]

Yeah, with medical research he could have had a "sex-fecta."

[@sapelesteve]

That's exactly the book that I was going to recommend! Great read! 👍👍🍄🍄🍄🍄👍👍

[@MattPowersSoil]

As well as Radical Mycology by Peter McCoy

[@MattPowersSoil]

If there’s any one book to read, it’s Radical Mycology: it has everything in it.

[@adewilliam9047]

>"Mycelium can replace plastics in packaging!" >Only cover foam use, no mentions of the main perpetrator of plastic pollution, single use food and beverage containers

[@NoobixCube]

I’d like to see mycelium coffee cups. People have moved from polystyrene ones to paper cups, but the lamination and treatment required to make paper cups that don’t immediately collapse and drench your hands in boiling hot coffee make them as much an environmental disaster as polystyrene. Perhaps more, because in many places you can’t actually recycle paper cups as you would other paper and cardboard, so they end up contaminating recyclable waste, while polystyrene cups always ends up in discarded waste, never contaminating recycling loads.

[@NicolasMendoula]

Ohhh yes or mycelium straws

[@NoobixCube]

@@ChaosSwissroIl personally I keep a travel mug in my backpack. I don't always have my backpack, and would like a more sustainable solution when I want a cup of tea and can't spare the time to stop and have it in a normal mug. All I know for sure is paper cups are not that solution. Polystyrene has its problems, and is definitely worse, but it shouldn't be this close a call. I'll take a mycelium cup any day over both.

[@NoobixCube]

@@ChaosSwissroIl I guess it's fine, if you don't count the emissions in producing it, or the complete lack of biodegradability, or the source of the petrochemical it's made of.

[@chickenfootlicker]

Imagine edible cup

[@DatBisa]

@@ChaosSwissroIl The problem with plastics isn't the sustainability of production, but the sustainability of disposal. We either burn that shit, releasing all kinds of nasty shit into the atmosphere, or just leave it lying around where it could take 100s of years to slowly degrade. Mycelium on the other hand would either burn up almost entirely into CO², adding only as much back into the atmosphere as was used in the production of the material itself (growing the biowaste and mycelium for the material), or just going straight back to the earth in less than a month. You completely missed the point on production as well, if existing mycelium replacements already vastly outperform their polymer counterparts as noted in the video, then there's no reason to keep going with plastics on that front too.

[@Deadeye313]

Today: a plastic replacement. Tomorrow: A warp drive replacement... Aren't fungi great?

[@0cujo0]

Must survive space vacuum...

[@YoLo-nz2fo]

@@0cujo0 u miss the joke.. Its from star trek discovery

[@Delgen1951]

And the next thing you know is a Italian plumber is jumping on your head giggling like a mad man, as you see gold stars float thorough the air..

[@kendelion]

No need for a warpdrive if you're already warped with mushrooms

[@lagrangewei]

@@YoLo-nz2fo it why i hated and never saw that show... xD

[@notgonnapay]

We have people making mycelium foam, yet Amazon can’t help but send me a different package for every item I order.

[@VaxtorT]

Stop ordering from Amazon. They commit to sending a percentage of their profits to questionable charities.

[@OreganoParsley]

@@VaxtorT so?

[@VaxtorT]

@@OreganoParsley I do not expect everyone to give a damn; but many folk who are concerned about the future of the family unit and our Nation do give a damn. Families are the building blocks of a strong, productive, resourceful Nation. Destroy the family....destroy the nation. Amazon donates millions to charities that work to undermine and destroy the American family

[@bitraboj722]

@@VaxtorT you need to be in the right place with the right audience and in the right time to be able to convince anyone, and the KZbin comment section isn't the place for that, not saying that what you're saying doesn't matter but that this isn't the greatest place for that, it just looks out of place.

[@VaxtorT]

@@bitraboj722 I cannot help it. It is so disturbing to see so many who are so thoroughly indoctrinated by the the mainstream narrative. Perhaps commenting on you tube is not the best place.....but it is presently the only forum I have since being paralyzed a few years ago.

[@therealsaln0217]

This all sounds amazing and I hope it is ultimately successful. I also hope there isn't a second wave of eating tide pods, which would take the form of kids eating their mycelium shoes.

[@thatguywithamustache9455]

“I'm willing to donate my friends, they won't take that much time to decompose.”

[@lancetheking7524]

*Hold up*

[@danielegerton9890]

Order from IG @Mycohenry33 and thank me later

[@ayoutubewatcher2849]

I never trust something that has no downsides. There's no such thing as a magic bullet in the real world. What pops out to me is that in certain situations, its small longevity could also be a drawback. Products are already made like shit today and last two seconds before breaking down. As long as this starts slow and small with something like packaging I think itll be fine. But if you're gonna tell me "you can eat, you can wear it, you can build with it, etc, etc, etc", I'm gonna be skeptical.

[@ciberiada01]

Well done! 👍 Your comment made my day.

[@LarryStrawson]

you must be a riot at parties :-)

[@danielxmiller]

Except that mushrooms have been the answer to our problems since the beginning. They have been here for billions of years before us, and there are even mushrooms that can eat and break down actual plastic. There are very little downsides because we aren't "creating" anything, we are letting mother nature work it's "magic" that it has been evolving for billions of years, we just haven't had the knowledge of mushrooms to apply it until the last decade or two.

[@clickpause8732]

@@danielxmiller while I agree, I believe the point they’re making is that if something appears to have no downsides, then there’s a very real chance of the downsides just not being discovered yet. That being said, this looks promising as heck, and I look forward to it upscaling.

[@the_sophile]

The drawback is that it takes more time to make it than plastic

[@sergrojGrayFace]

Imagine shoes biodegrading after you've left them uncleaned of dirt for a while.

[@teknosisglitch2432]

Better than them being around for hundreds of years ... But being used for only a year.

[@suryansh9360]

@@teknosisglitch2432 fr

[@Donatellangelo]

Still last longer than nikes.

[@g8x2keeper]

@@Donatellangelo what do you do to your shoes. I have mostly Nike shoes and they’ve lasted for year. 6 at least

[@cloudstalker8956]

@@g8x2keeper walk

[@Aatell764]

Wow this is incredible, if this ain't the solution I don't know what is.

[@GameCyborgCh]

hemp based plastic maybe

[@TheBlackstarrt]

For packaging that seems like a plausible win. Shoes, building materials and wearables? Yeah I don't think those will have legs, how durable would something like that even be for a shoe.

[@M33f3r]

I don’t like the idea of shoes that break down after only 45days

[@nathansealy1354]

@@M33f3r I dunno man if it didn't have a lifespan comparable to regular shoes it wouldn't be advertised. I looked it up and they're supposed to last around 10 years.

[@thekramer1097]

@@nathansealy1354 And let's be honest, there's a lot people who changes sneakers every year for pure fashion, so longevity will never be an issue for them

[@thekramer1097]

@Future Pants And... this comment is directed towards me specifically?

[@slingshot99]

@Future Pants Which is why I think sneakers are ridiculously overpriced. For the premium I pay for branded sneakers, I could buy a really good pair (or more) of boots which will last me a decade.

[@mikelott4690]

I do not always agree with some of your statements, but I very much appreciate your stating both sides of the tech issues. Because you do that, your videos are enjoyable and thought provoking. Thank you for giving us information we can use to form our own ideas.

[@kitten_processing_inc4415]

I'm happy to see the promise of fungal replacements for plastics. In the meantime, plastic waste should mostly be burnt for energy rather than recycled, in most cases, though cracking it down to some kind of diesel fuel is probably worth considering too. It is incorrect to say that burning plastic produces toxins as this generally applies to open burning in uncontrolled conditions. In a properly managed combustion system it burns cleanly and you can add further steps to processing flue gases to make sure that nothing bad gets into the atmosphere. As long as we are burning virgin petroleum for fuel it seems irrational not to burn plastic waste - either way we are releasing carbon into the atmosphere but if you make the oil into plastic first you get to do something useful with it before you turn it into energy.

[@mickelodiansurname9578]

A suggestion we practice in this home right now... I burn all the plastic we buy in the fireplace, I never put it in the bin. I've been doing that for 20 years now, as soon as I realized how much energy it contains, and how much was used to make it in the first place.

[@kitten_processing_inc4415]

@@mickelodiansurname9578 I actually don't think that's a good idea. In uncontrolled conditions burning plastic can produce some fierce toxins that simply should not be released into either the local or global environment.

[@EleneDOM]

@@mickelodiansurname9578 I am terrified to think of the toxins you've breathed in doing that. You've also sent them out into the air for your neighbors to breathe. Please stop!

[@fred6319]

@@mickelodiansurname9578 and release all the toxins in the atmosphere

[@kjxy96]

Idk how effective mushrooms are at doing this but there are mushrooms and worms that can eat plastic. From my pov, seems better to have them take care of that rather than burn plastic

[@peterbarrett5496]

Idk I'm a packaging engineer. I think it's a stretch. Molded pulp is already doing well (like egg cartons), but molds are also expensive and time consuming to design. But we will see definitely cool

[@maxi-me]

Modern eco activist: "those soda bottles in that landfill will take 3000 years to decompose." Future archeologists: "Wow what a treasure trove. This excavation must be ruins of the Temple of Pepsi, mythological god of refreshment and stimulation."

[@carrotsmokingapipe9415]

LMAO THAT COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN

[@alnvgraha]

you mean the temple of coca cola?

[@aienbalosaienbalos4186]

"Back in the oil age, our ancestors committed resource sacrifices to appease their gods. Amongst the various deities of the time, two common enemies were the deities Coca-Cola and Pepsi, who had cylindrical metal offerings sacrificed to them regularly, in order to guarantee their favor. These deities were thought to be responsible for culinary prowess and imitation skills, respectfully."

[@fruitygarlic3601]

They'll definitely be fascinated by our artefacts, but in the way people today are fascinated with the mass grave sites of two thousand years ago. Important for scholarship but misery-inducing.

[@revparravager3184]

@@aienbalosaienbalos4186 Well....we are the Pepsi Generation. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqCTm4xqjNt2f8U Carlton says so!

[@misterkid]

It's funny how I watch a video like this twice a year ("this is going to replace plastic!"), yet we still use massive amounts of plastic

[@ddxinthehouse]

based

[@giin97]

Same issue as alternative energy vehicles. It can't be mass adopted without mass production, it can't be mass produced without mass adoption.

[@pansepot1490]

Video looks like paid advertising. All pros no cons: if it’s too good to be true it often isn’t good at all. Starts claiming multiple times it’s extremely easy and cheap and ends up saying it will need legislation for the use to spread. Guess not all that cheap? What else has been misrepresented? I am all for innovation and sustainability but tbh I don’t want to fund a channel that thrives on pushing hype and misinformation. Check this one off my list.

[@misterkid]

@@giin97 And it has to be a better or cheaper product to be mass adopted.

[@bigdaddy3217]

@@misterkid yes and also The existing manufacturing machinery will take time to replace. Also, it needs to Be something which makes the companies actually interesred in it and The ingrediends need to Be easy to get.

[@chachopaul695]

“It’s cheaper to make new than recycle old.” This is also why the mycelium won’t overtake it. Plastics are made from waste products of petroleum refining. Those waste products are being produced whether or not they’re being utilized in packaging. The way this would become viable is only after a massive reduction in petroleum product consumption.

[@benalor1973]

And that is on the shoulders of the Consumer to change. Though if they manage to have it live up it's promises it can have a good shot of winning the market.

[@Awsomemobs2000Theminecraftdude]

@@benalor1973 on the shoulders of *Corporations to change you mean. What is readily avalible is what consumers will take. And in the case of Oil and Coal based energy, at least in the US are basically the only option, because the corporations own everything and snuff out any alternatives. This is the problem with the Energy industry, automotive industry, and the medical industry. Nothing new is distributed, despite there being many other options, because of the overwhelming control corporations have over everything.

[@Afri_Pandora_Archieve]

Most are made from natural gas not petroleum and most of the plastic is not "being produced either way" as demand increase more natural gas is used to produce plastic

[@gatorguy5419]

But medical items should still be made out of mycelia or sanitary plastic? I wouldn't want a transfusion from a mycelium IV bag and line.

[@SianaGearz]

I also can't see how mycelia can be cheaper than plastic fundamentally, when space is at a premium. One week is a very long demold time! A lot of materials and processes are no longer used much because they're too slow like that and take several hours, when quicker processes are available. A single fairly compact injection moulding machine spits out a new plastic product every few seconds.

[@Anxiou5Panda]

Mycelium packaging is indeed a good start. Let's worry about the other applications later.

[@asifishan1221]

What other applications?

[@Anxiou5Panda]

@@asifishan1221 Matt mentioned in the video that there may be other potential applications for Mycelium. If my memory serves me right, it can be used as an alternative for hollow blocks or insulation but it is said that these products are way less ready for mass production. Hence why I said, let's focus with the packaging replacement first.

[@asifishan1221]

@@Anxiou5Panda ok but are there any negative sides to it?

[@Anxiou5Panda]

@@asifishan1221 Maybe, if handled and applied wrongly. I believe everything has an advantage and a disadvantage. We'll have to wait.

[@asifishan1221]

@@Anxiou5Panda you are right

[@nanotedot]

I think that for at least 10 years I've been watching countless videos of multiple things and technologies that were coming to ease the burden of our civilization on the environment, but still I've seen very little real implementation. It looks as though the ideas are great and plausible, everything ends up being just experimental good intentions.

[@JudgeNicodemus]

One simple explanation is this. Lobbying. Thats it. The ultragrich prevent anything good from rising up because it's gonna ruin their profit.

[@goatface6602]

Government regulations

[@Rid_Of_Thee]

Red tape, basically

[@gilldanier4129]

We have to play our part, nothing will happen if we just watch, we have to also be involved, we are all links in a chain

[@MrSuperNova46]

Not sure if you realize it, but this is our future. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6ewc4Oid9GIqNU

[@Mister_Majestic]

When man values Humanity over Money we will see real change.

[@dasiro]

a lot sooner: when a man sees money in it, you will see real change

[@robertmarmaduke9721]

Said nobody, ever. Money is a medium of labor exchange that anyone who has had to barter for labor IMMEDIATELY recognizes. You are confusing money with USURY. But we are not allowed to discuss usury, are we?

[@thelonelystankmuncher8879]

On a world run by greed and lies? I really hope this is true

[@KertaDrake]

@@dasiro When man sees money in it, all you will have left is change.

[@adler.76251]

Well said

[@wonderwend1]

Even just replacing the packaging on a lot of stuff would make a massive difference

[@Maeve.36]

@@ChaosSwissroIl First, the mycelium decomposes about twice as fast, and second, how is this a scam? It is only slightly more expensive than Styrofoam and much more eco-friendly.

[@maxi-me]

Oh soon enough someone will come up with a thousand reasons Mycelium farming is destroying the planet and and make a lucrative career out of a 501 nonprofit against it.

[@mrsprite399]

Some countries use plastic for almost everything even when it's not needed .....I don't know why?

[@wonderwend1]

@@mrsprite399 because it's cheap and easy

[@Pavel_M_Mihalik]

Sounds like we're one step away from loading a starship with shrooms and sending it along the mycelial network.

[@lutzreloaded]

why isn’t that already mainstream? wtf? really, WTF?? I‘m in awe

[@queenmaryellen]

My 18 year old son is a freshman @ an environmental college in California. He is studying mycelium, water science, & topography. Help is on the way!

[@dyeman2268]

I'm down for using mycelium to make packaging materials as a lot of that gets used every day and does not get re-used. HOWEVER using mycelium in a house. Might as well put a sign in your front lawn that says "This house was made with ECO-Friendly Products To speed up the rate it decomposes So you Have to buy a new one in 40 years." My grandmas house was made with "NON-ECO-Friendly" materials when my grandma was in her 20s and most of the stone that was used in the chimney and basement is pretty much rubble.

[@enricod.7198]

But it could be used inside normal walls to make them more isolated both thermically and acustically..so we could already avoid using those materials

[@luci_datum]

I would say insulation more than the walls of a house

[@CampingforCool41]

It’s just for the insulation, not the building

[@Thalanox]

@@CampingforCool41 For now, at least.

[@shwingleman]

"Oh no this biodegradable material is degraded by biology"

[@601salsa]

Ok even with allergies to moulds and fungi..... this is amazing progress. I hope this becomes a standard for packaging material