Is New York Finally Getting A Real High Speed Rail? - Cheddar Explains

[@arthurpiccio7906]

"Is New York Finally Getting A Real High Speed Rail? " Nope.

[@zeroskills586]

Bruh moment

[@denelson83]

Of course not. Big Oil and Big Auto don't want high-speed rail in North America.

[@Maki-00]

Thank you! I figured it was BS!

[@christopherkotsopoulos701]

wish I saw this comment before wasting 9 minutes

[@FunAviTM]

Me who lives in New York: 😌🍷

[@tylerturnpaugh7021]

For bridges, you used possibly the best example possible, The Brent Spence Bridge connecting Cincinnati, Ohio; and Covington, Kentucky. For those who don’t know, this is a nearly 60 year old bridge built at the height of the baby boom. It is a double-decker bridge carrying four lanes in each direction. By 1985, it was deemed ‘functionally obsolete.’ Yet it still stands today, and is the most vital piece of infrastructure in the Cincinnati region, which is home to 2.2 million people. The bridge now carries 150,000 people per day (it was designed for 85,000), which makes it the second most used bridge in the nation after the George Washington Bridge in New York. The bridge was recently closed for a month after two semi-trucks crashed, which increased commute times across the Northern Kentucky region and forced traffic onto two other bridges. Personally, it made my commute 15 minutes longer both ways, and in rush hour, delays of an hour were common. This showed how important the bridge is to the region, and why it was a great choice by Cheddar to put this bridge in their video. Thanks for reading to the end of this, for some reason :)

[@nathankarrick6117]

I commute the brentz spence bridge daily. 😑

[@qjtvaddict]

Loving the right wing leadership?

[@295g295]

I-75 & I-71 > 6:40 < Is this Brent Spence Bridge connecting Cincinnati, Ohio; and Covington, Kentucky?

[@tylerturnpaugh7021]

@Sinistre Cyborg to add to this... the current governor of kentucky is a democrat, and the state boundaries make most of the bridge fall in Kentucky jurisdiction; i’m not blaming anybody or any party here, but both Republican and Democrat leadership has led in Kentucky and Ohio since the turn of the century

[@tylerturnpaugh7021]

@@295g295 yeah

[@lionelspencer-ward3527]

They are going about this the wrong way. You need to tell people that the military needs the train to move troops when North Korea invades!!!

[@finnrummygaming]

This comment is so underrated and if Biden were an Eisenhower Republican it’d be a lot easier.

[@finnrummygaming]

@Azeem Siddiqui man’s trying to be humorous and make fun of war-crazed people.

[@princejaxisblack8789]

If we told the government that then we would probably have a transit system better than Japan in less than a decade 😭

[@lionelspencer-ward3527]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 You are using logic and intelligent argument, you might be right but this will not work with Americans. Tell them the Martians are going to invade and take their hamburgers...you will get high-speed trains in no time !!!

[@johnkoziel789]

But don’t tell anybody that trains make great military targets in the days of smart satellite weapons.

[@AFAndersen]

So if I get this right. They want to build flashy high speed route between boston and new york.. but they want it done cheap, has to stop all over the place (probably around areas politicians live) and not take a straight route. So they don't want high speed rail.

[@Joesolo13]

Yep. People in burbs always want it to be a commuter train type of thing, which is what the NE regional is meant for

[@daelbows5783]

Yep, the new york to boston route should only stop through places like new haven and providence. But politicians (esp democrat ones) want more votes from these areas so they make a twisty route.

[@Joesolo13]

@@daelbows5783 yea. The Republicans actually want LESS votes, we've seen how they suppress voters.

[@Joesolo13]

Nothing says a Republic like choosing who can vote

[@daelbows5783]

@@Joesolo13 were not talking about georgia rn, cuz republican's are doing bad stuff there. Im just tryna highlight that high speed rail should not go out of its way to reach many smaller cities. Instead, it should be direct and connect 2 major metropolitans centers. Unfortunately, the reality is that every major project in the US is highly politicized and is too often done for votes instead of functionality

[@jaredbowhay-pringle1460]

I don't know how far Tokyo is from Osaka off the top of my head, but it's considerably more than 67 miles.

[@user-np6qw5ou9s]

Yeah even Mt fuji which is pretty dam close to tokyo is probably farther than 60 miles

[@rihannawinstelton3638]

Tokyo is 506 kilometers from Osaka

[@matthewwong5150]

The shinkansen line is around 674 km long

[@jaredbowhay-pringle1460]

@@matthewwong5150 it's 515.4km

[@dbclass4075]

But they do have 67 miles of tunnels. Looks like the devil is in the details.

[@ArtisticlyAlexis]

As a Bostonian with family & friends in NYC, I hope that they somehow get funding for this!

[@lokivato]

Trust in Biden! He is our savior.

[@OilBaron100]

@@lokivato will he still be alive to see it complete?

[@thechickenstew3716]

@@OilBaron100 no, HSR takes 10-15 years to build

[@lokivato]

Good thing Kamala is really in charge. She'll fix the border crisis in no time.

[@lokivato]

@@OilBaron100 dude checked out mentally last yr

[@paxundpeace9970]

Last time i checked on it was due to be done by 2029 now they say 2033.

[@basilmemories]

yep. obstruction from right-wing assholes, delays leading to additional costs, lawsuits from even more assholes, and the hsr relying on costs being partially covered by fundraising efforts (which didn't happen when corporations didn't bite) led to the timeline being shoved back far more than it should have. now they're working on the top and bottom, and plan to connect the middle... sometime in 2033. It's a hot mess in that complicated way, which makes it a target for people to try and kill it every few years. So far it isn't dead yet, but people keep taking pot shots at it and try and reclaim the scraps of money left, instead of. you know, just getting together to finish the damn thing.

[@paxundpeace9970]

@@basilmemories so true

[@conveyor2]

@@basilmemories What's the justification for high speed rail between declining far left run cities?

[@mr.b3168]

@@conveyor2 declining? You falling for right wing media?

[@crazytigerspy9420]

@@conveyor2 if you wanna play that game we could talk about how underdeveloped Alabama Tennessee and etc are after decades of being a red state it makes a 3rd world country look better then that shit

[@DiabolikSilhouette]

_As impossible a project as this currently is in 2021, futuristically it would be so incredibly awesome to have an international high speed rail network that would extend from Washington, D.C., up to New York City, NY, then to Boston, MA, next to Quebec City, QC, then down to Montreal, QC, next over to Toronto, ON, and then finally back around to NYC. You could also have stops at other smaller cities in between those major hub cities, as needed._

[@alexismejia6870]

Nobody would use it .

[@the_prado]

That is exactly what a high speed train shouldn’t do

[@ArtisticlyAlexis]

@user I think you mean Northeast.

[@stachowi]

pipe dream... air travel is the answer, but who can the government rip off then? Look at what happened in California and their high-speed attempt... I think we're better off upgrading airports.

[@Joesolo13]

@@stachowi lmao the TSA/FAA/etc all regulate the fuck out of it and take their cuts. God that's a garbage argument

[@FifaProInc]

I’m from the UK, but I’m puzzled at why it will take the US 20 years to get their trains to a speed that is respectable today… Surely in 20 years time, places like China will have improved their transit again? Meaning that as soon as their current plans are completed, they’ll need to update it all immediately afterwards if they want to be at the forefront..?

[@paxundpeace9970]

Check out the B1M on this.

[@paxundpeace9970]

They plan to double track length by 2030. Then accounting for more then 80% of highspeed track.

[@jamesbedford7327]

Their fastest train averages around 65mph, which is the average speed of a commuter train in the UK, not an intercity

[@BenAHowell754]

Because we don't need them. Cars, the interstate, and cheap domestic flights make highspeed trains an unnecessary drain of resources.

[@EyreAffair]

Republicans didn't want to pay for the cost of high speed rails.

[@thebob563]

China isn't stupid, they know high speed rail will become increasingly more important in the near future.

[@Zones33]

Meanwhile America has it’s Thumb up its own ass thinking it’s the greatest country on earth while were 30 years behind everybody else

[@Robert-rw5lm]

Well when you use slave labor, of course its cheaper to make stuff

[@hackman669]

@@Zones33 We Yankees, common folk, do not think it is the best in the world. The States is far behind most western nations when it comes to infrastructure, social services and transit. The computer tech and communications is still pretty good. Perhaps the new leader will spend more on these issues and less on others.

[@djm5687]

How will HSR become "more important"? Autonomous electric vehicles can travel almost anywhere without the need for railroad tracks. Also, workers are increasingly telecommuting due to covid, and lower costs & less environmental impact than travelling via rail.

[@apieceofcheese1779]

@@Robert-rw5lm lol slave labor. slave labor using advanced machinery that can formulaic lay tracks 10x more efficient than california's?

[@francoiss6911]

Tokyo to Osaka is WAY further than 67 miles though 😂

[@janweber2889]

I heard this and was like...how did they get that as the distance?? Yikes. Tokaido Shinkansen from Tokyo to Shin-Osaka is 515 km/320 miles.

[@rabbit251]

@@janweber2889 I live in Japan and ride the Shinkansen constantly. When Shikansen gets into populated areas it is built on a bridge above the existing local and express trains below. Or the bridge of the Shinkansen travels above an existing street. In this way they avoided having to take up more land. Building a bridge system like this is expensive, but in the long run it is cheaper and faster than trying to buy up the land and lay track on the ground. Just saying, this is the Japanese experience.

[@ravik694]

Best I could find for that figure was one source (a BBC article) that mentioned the line had 67 miles of *tunnels*...

[@francoiss6911]

@@ravik694 This may be it. Of course there is no way of knowing haha. Sadly Cheddar are normally on point with their productions

[@InLoveWithCities]

The 67 miles was the first section to Odawara. To Osaka it's around 450 km if I remember correctly. That's a just under 2.5 hour journey.

[@RTDice11]

"$105B over 20 years is too expensive!" Yeah, be a real shame if the Lockheed and Boeing execs couldn't buy another yacht.

[@Joesolo13]

Right? We spend tens of billions annually just maintaining the highways that are choking on traffic. Maybe we need to stop expanding them and start making alternatives

[@spartan117zm]

*laughs in Defense budget being $721.5 billion for 2020 alone.* The US is such a joke sometimes. “We can’t afford highspeed rail.” *proceeds to buy another $35 billion aircraft*

[@thechickenstew3716]

@@Joesolo13 the high speed portion is $50B tho

[@3ladeRunner]

@@spartan117zm if we cut the defense budget by just 50 billion or around 5 percent we could build high speed rail throughout the damn country without raising spending.

[@blackhole9961]

@@3ladeRunner it would quite literally cost trillions to build a nationwide high speed rail network with the average cost per mile of track $80 million or higher. Don’t know where the government is going to get Germany or japans entire gdp in cash to pay for it. Not to mention the plane already serves the exact same purpose and is faster and cheaper.

[@FinancialShinanigan]

Last time I was this early, auto giants didn't kill the public transports yet

[@WycliffStudios]

Population Density, car culture is all BS. China also has the same problems but their politicians just went ahead and built the best high speed rail network in the World. The American public is just too oblivious to the fact that The Politicians are enslaving the people to Gasoline and crappy Airlines.

[@darkrai24100]

@@WycliffStudios that and they're a communist dictatorship

[@WycliffStudios]

@@darkrai24100 I agree they’re a communist dictatorship but they are smart enough to invest in infrastructure which will in turn boost their economy not foolish like American Politicians who happily dump all the money on useless things

[@darkrai24100]

@@WycliffStudios yes but the point of this is that they rarely have to consult the public on their plans. They can announce it and the people have to follow. They can seize property as they see fit and there isn't political opposition since they're the only party. This unwillingness has existed for centuries in the US. It isn't just now. We don't need bold changes, we need compromise and prudence. People in fact like their suburban living and cars and it isn't just some manufactured consent. The people need to be consulted and convinced or there will be only be opposition.

[@darkrai24100]

@@WycliffStudios also most of trains in China are built in the highly dense eastern part of country so that doesnt disprove the claims of pop. Density at all

[@scanida5070]

2:40 Only 65 mph? Trains on my small branchline here in Germany regularly hit that speed...

[@qzg7857]

Even in Poland regional trains are way faster

[@scanida5070]

@@qzg7857 I know, same here. I‘m just talking about a small branchline, regional trains normally hit about 160 km/h (100 mph) here with the fastest even going 200 km/h (125 mph)... America has a lot of catching up to do...

[@AVeryRandomPerson]

We have slow speed limits for rail, the maximum without ATS is 79, ATS allows for 110

[@warriorson7979]

German ICE trains are today probably the slowest high speed trains...🙄😒

[@Joesolo13]

That is average over the trip, acela does do 140+ in sections, but accounting for its many stops and poor Rail it's restricted many places. one tunnel near DC was built in the 1880s and trains can only do 25mph through it.

[@abiromu]

I can almost guarantee that this line won't open until the late 2050s at the earliest. I would love to be proved wrong, but US's attitude towards public transportation may prove me right.

[@dreadfulbodyguard7288]

Nah, US lagged behind because they got involved in wars and wasted trillions. If US don't go to any war abroad in next decade, I think US can build their infra pretty fast.

[@dym6464]

@@dreadfulbodyguard7288 you have to much faith in US politics 😂😂

[@Anewuser_6282]

We need several high speed lines: Seattle-SF-LA-San Diego, Phoenix-Vegas-LA, Dallas-Houston-Austin, Houston-New Orleans-Biloxi-Gulfport-Jacksonville, Boston-NYC-DC-Atlanta-Orlando-Miami & NYC-Buffalo-Cleveland-Detroit-Chicago

[@djm5687]

Why not simply build a bus LRT right-of-way using the *existing Interstate highway system* quicker and at far less cost than rail?

[@darienmiller1032]

@@djm5687 Cause High Speed Rail is WAAAY faster than Light rail. That's only meant for city transport, not intercity transport, which is something America desperately needs. As a New Yorker with no FAST, cheap, and reliable way to get to DC, Philly or Boston, HSR would be a huge boon as it would make visiting friends and family much easier, and massively expand job opportunities allowing us to not only work in New York, but also all of these other cities.

[@djm5687]

@@darienmiller1032 If there are jobs that are "desperately needed" in Boston, people can just *move* to Boston. Also, businesses are increasingly having their employees telecommute, therefore making HSR rather pointless. The Concorde was the fastest passenger airplane, but only a few rich people used it. HSR will be very expensive and will only be used by a few rich people.

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

Seattle to San Diego is a total waste of money. That involves way too much (very expensive) real estate and even at 160 mph with minimal stops (yeah right) it would still take all day. A plane is a better option for that route.

[@kariminalo979]

@@djm5687 The Concorde went out of business due to lack of fuel efficiency and and failing to compete in fuel economics with other fleet. A missing piece to fully make the HSR viable for construction and accessible from a socioeconomic perspective is regional transportation links. Smaller towns should connect to HSR hubs through light rail, bus, and rideshare. The ticketing system must be streamlined, in many European and Asian cities, blockchain and open banking implementation has made it a lot easier and cheaper for people to travel, meaning that you don't even need a physical wallet to buy a ticker, just buy in the app and scan when boarding similar to digital boarding passes at airports. HSR is only expensive in the US because transportation departments throughout the states lack in proper expertise required to find an equilibrium where resource allocation, construction time and funding are balanced out strategically. What eventually ends up happening is that they choose the lowest bidder for construction of any huge project, that bidder will ask for more and more eventually causing a budget overrun. In addition to that there is the lobbying from automakers and fossil fuel industry as well as disputes between property owners. The best case to solve this problem is to sign a 3P joint venture to form a lease consortium, and ask for proper consultancy from world renowned high-speed rail companies like SNCF or Deutsche Bahn for at least a decade so that institutions within the transport sector can inherit the expertise, adapt and then independently develop any strategic planning and management of transit related things.

[@rizkifauzi7048]

even Indonesia already started their own high speed railway and already exceeds 70% in progress lol

[@budisoemantri2303]

Shhh diam² aja

[@randomname931]

"started their own"? or is china/japan building it?

[@binchen]

@@randomname931 Owned by Indonesia. At least Indonesia Government can deliver some good thing for the people.

[@randomname931]

@@binchen Yes, owned meaning they are paying for it, but who is doing the engineering? who manufactured the trains? who is building the tracks?

[@yeungscs]

@@randomname931 china first part. Japan 2nd part.

[@MohammadRo02]

If you want to make them complete the project faster go and close a highway with a large group of people and say that you won't open it unless they start the project right now. We used this method and they completed the road in 2 month.

[@galnetdor]

I would like more information about what your talking about. What road? Where? Was it really shutdown on purpose, or was it some event that caused it to longer be usable? (Like if a major bridge fails, you tend to get a lot of effort to build its replacement, but if the old bridge was still functional, it takes a lot longer to get replaced)

[@MohammadRo02]

@@galnetdor @S Back It was an old twoway road with heavy traffic and a lot of accidents. and yes people closed the road on purpose to make the local governments complete 2 new lanes (to become a total of 4 lanes). I saw the pictures of this event. there was some people sitting on the road with pictures of people who died in the accidents and a few kilometers of traffic. The road is near an small town in Iran called alavijeh.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

If you think American drivers would let that happen, you're insane. They'd have half the invasion force that took Iraq out there clearing away anyone who tries to shut down a major U.S. highway - and that's if the commercial trucks don't decide to let their foot off the break a little early. ;)

[@Simon-qb8yl]

Why is there a regional ÖBB(Austrian) Train in the thumbnail? That's not highspeed

[@Chrischi4598]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@paxundpeace9970]

That's not even high speed

[@oromedenep]

It is for Americans, any train moving over ten baseball fields per whopper is high speed

[@champan250]

That is high speed comparing to what they have in America

[@paxundpeace9970]

@@oromedenep how long is a baseball field ? 5 m ?

[@nicholaslau3194]

0:12 yeah the bullet train shortened the distance from tokyo to osaka to just 67 miles...

[@MikeTaffet]

It’s relativity. As you approach the speed of light distances shrink

[@azan-183]

Even though the US is behind everyone, I still want to see some HSR corridors. Cascadia, LA-SFO, LA-Vegas, DC-Boston, Florida, Dallas-Houston etc. Hopefully, the infrastructure bill will allow Amtrak to do DC-Boston and Cascadia (the rest are independent). LA-SFO HSR will probably get fast-tracked under this administration, which is very existing!

[@tocotronicon]

I think building These lines would be a good idea, but they should def priorities fixing the existing infrastructure and especially improving public transit. I have friends who live in the US and every time they come to germany they rave about our public transit system and how they Wish they had something equally reliable and widespread back home. They all live in smaller cities and apparently the bus and train network is a joke and doesn't even reach everywhere so without a car you're often fucked. I'd say fix that first.

[@williammerkel1410]

Considering that Germany got to rebuild most of its infrastructure using US Marshal Plan aid from the ground up because it got blown to f*** in World War II it is not surprising, and Germany is smaller and its major cities are much closer together and even within them they are more compact, making public transit much more realistic.

[@Joesolo13]

@@williammerkel1410 yea but the reason they're compact is because of that transit, not vice versa. You don't get Houstons naturally, they come about from building for cars instead of people

[@williammerkel1410]

@@Joesolo13 and the fact that after World War II lots of people wanted to move out of the cities, there was genuine demand for suburbia and everything that came with it, including cars. When you give people freedom of choice they will use it, and it isn't right to deny them that.

[@GiantLeninHead]

One thing you’ve to understand is that in the United States, Canada & Mexico, railroads are not nationalized; they’re privately owned by the companies that built them-and the vast majority are freight companies. Passenger companies, like Amtrak & Via Rail, have to pay trackage rights (a form of lease agreement) to freight companies to use their track. But since they’re on someone else’s tracks, they don’t get the right of way; passenger trains will often have to go into to the siding and wait for the oncoming freight train to pass by, which is time consuming and a big reason why passenger trains don’t always arrive on time. So it would make sense in this context to build completely new track primarily, if not only, for passenger use-despite it being costly

[@dbclass4075]

@@williammerkel1410 Which is why it is feasible have alternatives to driving for maximum freedom possible: people who want to drive can drive, people who cannot drive (disability, age, health, etc.) can still travel as well.

[@adityaajit2120]

Last time I was this early Japan and China Didn't had Maglev running 600kmph + ...

[@ApemanMonkey]

They don't have those running commercially, though. Yet...

[@Joesolo13]

@@ApemanMonkey technically China had 1 that is but they didn't build more for a reason

[@WycliffStudios]

Population Density, car culture is all BS. China also has the same problems but their politicians just went ahead and built the best high speed rail network in the World. The American public is just too oblivious to the fact that The Politicians are enslaving the people to Gasoline and crappy Airlines.

[@joermnyc]

@@WycliffStudios China also has one party that controls everything. The US has 2 parties that only fight with each other and complain when the other side “dares” to actually propose a useful infrastructure project 4 months after taking over, despite the fact that they had 4 YEARS to come up with something, but ultimately had nothing to put on the table.

[@adityaajit2120]

@@WycliffStudios what can you expect from the country that is run by Car ( (G)privateMotors ) and Oil Giants

[@falsificationism]

I'll quibble a bit. We didn't "forget" how to "think big." We forgot how to think as a society with shared needs. Individualism torpedoed our ability to do anything big, because big things require collective interest, attention, organization, funding, etc. Instead, we started worshipping individual paragons of virtue--billionaires--asking them to swoop in and save us and take us to mars. This was by design. Our culture is the problem.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

Da, comrade.

[@hape3862]

I don't want to dispute your analysis, but didn't you forget to mention that most of your tax money goes into the military and prison sector? It seems to me that endless moronic warfare is the "big national exertion, America has dedicated itself to in the last decades, and with which most Americans seem quite fine with.

[@geoman798]

This is the fault of the suburbs, the ultimate form of individualism and breeding ground for it

[@TIMBOWERMAN]

The UK is of the same philosophy when it comes to rail, but has been forced by infrastructure restrictions to accede to high speed rail (HS1 and HS2) so they are actively doing something that the States should have done years ago which Japan did, France, Germany, Italy and Spain did some ten years later and that is to build high speed rail.

[@falsificationism]

@@TIMBOWERMAN really interesting! I didn’t know this, but ultimately a lot of the success/failure doesn’t hinge on technology as much as it does on sound policy and competent bureaucracy (in the dictionary sense).

[@mrschrodingerdog]

Madrid - Barcelona direct is 2h30min. 2h45min are the trains with a stop in Zaragoza / Lleida / Tarragona. When it was inagurated it almost killed all the competition in the route, and today takes more than 60% of the share of the traffic (Before it was inagurated, Madrid - Barcelona it was the world's busiest air route in the world. Today there are 2 flights per hour).

[@neutrino78x]

the population centers in the USA are a lot further apart. Los Angeles and San Francisco are about that distance, but the HSR currently being built, if completed as currently planned, would take about four hours. (it's a politically chosen route. There's a faster route, along Interstate 5, that would only take two hours, similar to the Spanish train....but I still wouldn't support that at the cost proposed, which is 100 billion. I'd support it at say 5 billion.) The plane trip is one hour. But the next major city NORTH of San Francisco is Seattle, about 800 miles away (1287 km). The plane takes two hours to get there, an HSR would take at least four hours. The next major city EAST of San Francisco is probably Dallas, Texas, about 1734 miles away (2790 km). 3 hrs on a plane, 6 hours on HSR. See the difference?

[@michelangelobuonarroti4958]

@@neutrino78x Yeah but anyone arguing for a national HSR network is stupid. You could extend CHSR to Las Vegas (Brightline West) and into Arizona. Then there's the Texas Triangle, with potential to link with Monterrey in Mexico. There's Florida, which Brightline is currently working on. The Cascades corridor between Portland and Vancouver. The Great Lakes/Midwest mainly around Chicago and in Ohio, stretching from Minneapolis to Pittsburgh and Nashville/Memphis. And of course the Northeast corridor, which you could improve and lengthen all the way down to Atlanta. Noone would ride a train from Atlanta to Boston, but all the infill connections would make it work. But before the US works on High Speed Rail it should build a solid foundation imo. Work on regional and basic Intercity rail. Electrify more rail infrastructure. Eliminate more zoning regulations and stuff like parking minimums to induce greater density and speed up housing construction. Rail is difficult in suburbia because suburbia serves the car and nothing else. So honestly, a lot has to change in North America, but the potential is definitely there. Basic point is in any case that you don't need a national HSR network, otherwise you end up doing a China and drowning in debt with empty trains, you need to asses what makes sense and then throw a shitload of money at it. Maybe the US could use some money on public transit instead of that bloated 900bn dollar defense budget that is just sheer lunacy.

[@neutrino78x]

@@michelangelobuonarroti4958 "Yeah but anyone arguing for a national HSR network is stupid. " Agree, but same is true for anything longer than about 200 miles, since the train craps out at around 200 mph. Unless you're talking maglev, then make it 500. (but that's a lot more expensive, so, in most cases, still doesn't pass a cost/benefit analysis.) "You could extend CHSR to Las Vegas (Brightline West)" I fully support Brightline West.....BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION THAT WILL BE OWNED BY BRIGHTLINE WEST. CAHSR is basically a failed project. No more construction is being done beyond Merced to Bakersfield (per the Governor, who was just re-elected). "Then there's the Texas Triangle, " Too far for public transit. If Texas Central hasn't gone under and wants to that, more power to them. I heard they went bankrupt though? "And of course the Northeast corridor, which you could improve and lengthen all the way down to Atlanta. Noone would ride a train from Atlanta to Boston, but all the infill connections would make it work." Nope. Too far. Airplane MUCH, MUCH, MUCH FASTER. "Maybe the US could use some money on public transit instead of that bloated 900bn dollar defense budget that is just sheer lunacy." Sorry, we need to defend ourselves from our enemies, that's not an optional thing. I was a submariner. The details are classified but it's not classified that we (USA/UK/France) are on a nuclear hair trigger against China and Russia. Note that Britain and France also have large nuclear arsenals. They are much smaller countries though, so they don't need to spend 900 billion to get the same level of defense. Anyway, what's the point? Why would we spend 900 billion on transit when airplanes are so much faster? It's stupid. I take it you're from some small European country and just don't understand the scale involved? See the video "Why Doesn't America Do High-Speed Rail?" from "Across the Pond". He is from Britain and has lived here in the USA for some time, he explains the scale involved and why it's not feasible.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

20 year construction time? What is this, the year 1500?

[@janweber2889]

So...not a single mention or clip of Acela Express? A massive problem with HSR in the USA are the regulations regarding the manufacture of rolling stock here. Transportation authorities in the USA require that intercity trains be built reinforced and extremely heavy to withstand damage from certain types of crashes and derailments, whereas most other countries require things like advanced signaling and automatic braking, etc to prevent those issues from occurring in the first place. This is a huge technical challenge because most of the companies that build trains have to modify their rolling stock designs significantly to be allowed to be used here. The added weight changes everything about the trains performance and also for the rail infrastructure that uses it. Then certainly the single biggest problem for HSR in the USA is the lack of any significant dedicated track, even in the busiest regions like the Northeast Corridor. All of the countries with successful HSR systems have dedicated track for these trains, so until that happens in the NE Corridor and elsewhere that isn't being built from scratch, you're not gonna have anything close to HSR there as seen in the rest of the world. Would love to see a dedicated Great Lakes HSR network from Chicago to Buffalo (and Toronto) via Detroit and Cleveland, but I think it'll be a few decades before anything resembling that gets a green light.

[@KRYMauL]

They mentioned it and said it averaged 65 mph

[@garygresham1115]

Great point, Jan. It's hard for people who don't understand the details of trains to make videos like this.

[@ahmedzakikhan7639]

You ever wonder why regulations are so tight on rail ? Is it because of lobby by the airlines and auto industry ?

[@taoliu3949]

@@ahmedzakikhan7639 Because the FRA is stuck in the 20th century when it comes to railroad best practices.

[@thehandlesticks66]

In 20 years china built thousands of miles of highspeed rail. We can't even connect two huge relatively close cities.

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

Because we aren't China...the people don't have a say in what their government spends money on, We do..and most do not want HSR...Most still love the AUTOMOBILES...

[@Fals3Agent]

@@codyuhlmansiek805 who the fuck likes traffic? insane take

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

@@Fals3Agent Sorry, I love my car... I pay for the roads with my gas taxes, tolls and license fees...

[@Fals3Agent]

@@codyuhlmansiek805 damn, what's next, you're going to tell me you love auto insurance as well? LMAO

[@marktrinidad7650]

Sorry but to be exact. China started building hi speed rail on 2008, just a year short for 15 years. And what did the government do on that same timeline? Squandered billions of it thru endless wars in the Middle East.

[@demven04]

This would be rad. Hope to see it in the near future, we’re so behind other developed countries

[@rodrigopaim82]

Australia and Canada doesnt have too, are they "behind"? High speed trains arent a requisite to anything. It makes sense in some places, and in others dont

[@lynx9373]

@@rodrigopaim82 Take canda for example, Most of the country's population is too spread out to make rail transit viable beyond local commuter rail around Metropolitan areas. Same with Australia. But the US has great possibilities with rail in connecting the medium distance areas; to short for plane trips, but too far for a car.

[@thechickenstew3716]

@@lynx9373 ehh... look parts of Ontario and Quebec... those areas are pretty dense.

[@joshuahd1719]

@@lynx9373 yeah and their not competing countries for Number 1 superpower status, America is, so if America doesn't want to be a powerful country anymore. Then sure let's sit here and let our infrastructure fall and refuse to build 21st Century infrastructure like HSR.

[@Johnny-tt9gs]

@Sebastian Martinez This is the entire truth right here. Our military is the reason we don't have funding for anything else. Sadly I don't think it will ever change.

[@shyguy1630]

I think we need a high speed rail. I wish we made more investments into mass transit. Everyone wins with mass transit it gets people out there cars, it can help everyone get around faster.

[@scanida5070]

Why is there a Bombardier TALENT-1 in the thumbnail? They‘re nowhere near highspeed trains, I literally drive them xD

[@warriorson7979]

By American standards they are...🙄😒

[@gerdforster883]

Depending on variant, it can do up to 140 km/h, which is pretty fast compared to Amtrak's usual speed.

[@d34th56]

What's needed is affordable rail. Boston to NYC cost close to $100 each way. Reduce the cost to $20-30 roundtrip, you will see a huge demand for more trains. Which would increase the need for high speed rail.

[@jasonreed7522]

We need incremental improvements to our rails, not big flashy stunts like CAHSR that garner alot of opposition. Basic things like speed, reliability, frequency, cost decreases, electrification.

[@DJAUDIO1]

I was 10 years old in 1990 when the first plans for California's High Speed rail were dreamed of. I remember the TV commercials. "Imagine taking a Japanese bullet train from San Francisco to Los Angeles in less than 2 hours?" I'm 42 today and we are barely breaking ground on anything. The USA will forever be held back when it comes to upgrading its infrastructure. We act as the big bad ass of the world but run on 3rd world infrastructure.

[@sweetdreamer3352]

My thought too 🤔

[@LMB222]

The sad reality is that your political system allows for shady elements to attach to it and suck the funds out. People know it, hence the endless discussions on financing.

[@daveharrison84]

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act was in 2009. If they had started a 20-year construction project in 2009 then now it would be 8 years away from being finished.

[@Burt1038]

You're assuming it would stay on schedule. In all likelihood it would still be 20 years away and already over budget by now.

[@Nick-kz6dg]

America needs something similar to the Interstate Highways Act from the 50s for intercity and high speed rail.

[@rahadityap2375]

Its almost succedeed on 1965 via "High Speed ground transportation act" but failed in Congress by Bipartisan GOP

[@acdcking1234]

Only thing I like about bieden is his support of railroads

[@umangmalik]

Same

[@anguszhou4340]

You sound like a commie

[@adityaajit2120]

@@anguszhou4340 elaborate how he does ...

[@Barten0071]

@@anguszhou4340 Red star train go choo choo,

[@zeitgeistx5239]

America will never have real high speed rail. The billionaires spend their wealth brainwashing Americans with libertarianism. White people cannot rid themselves of this cancer.

[@ziyanyang9777]

High-speed train is so much better than airplanes, you have more leg rooms, they don't weigh your luggage, and it's so much quieter than airplanes.

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

And i love the automobile, I can get from point A to point B and visit areas. I can bring my boat with me and I can either take my friends or if i want to be alone, i can be. On a train, you be with people....

[@ziyanyang9777]

@@codyuhlmansiek805 That is on the premise of having a lot of time to spare. Travel by car takes more time than trains.

[@Ray03595]

@@codyuhlmansiek805 And it's nice when there is no traffic. There is tons on the Northeast. A reliable, fast train line would alleviate car traffic.

[@ip4pwn1]

@@ziyanyang9777 But does it really depend on where your going? Trains are A to B only. Cars are limited only by your imagination.

[@neutrino78x]

you don't have the speed needed to go between population centers in North America and Australia in any reasonable period of time, though.

[@sandrahiltz]

If only they could deal with the problem of construction times in the US taking forever for anything then they could probably get the costs down enough to get funding for all the infrastructure upgrades the US needs, but right now in the US and especially in the northeast simple things like repairing relatively small bridges take years, and replacing old deficient bridges take 1/2 a decade or more, when the original bridges they are replacing having taken significantly less time to build with significantly less advanced equipment half a century ago, or even over a century ago.

[@jared_du_jour]

Right, because we now care about the environment, safety, and the people that infrastructure projects displace-- things we didn't consider 50+ years ago

[@dbclass4075]

@@jared_du_jour Population is also another factor. Even so, our better technologies should migate those factors that slows us down to some extent.

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

We have to make sure any construction project is not going to harm the planet. We have people blocking projects to make sure it won't harm anything...

[@dbclass4075]

@@codyuhlmansiek805 The efficiency of trains per passenger is appealing, energy consumption-wise.

[@stephanweinberger]

@@codyuhlmansiek805 @Jared Schwatz I'd say that over here in Europe environmental and work safety regulations a re at least as if not more strict than in the US. Still we manage to build most infrastructure projects in a fraction of the time...

[@L33tSkE3t]

The North East Corridor is the only location in the U.S. where public transportation isn’t complete crap.

[@najibyarzerachic]

$120 billion is huge amount over 20 years just a little less than the $2300 billion we spend on the Afghan war.

[@poxler]

Good topic as always, but i miss the high quality sound on this video

[@peterschmidt5583]

I expected more comments like this or at least one with more likes. The sound was way too quiet. The ads by contract were jarringly loud.

[@jaymikevillanueva1212]

The problem is the US is too bullheaded and absurdly too proud to address issues like infrastructure. It has no problem funding ridiculously overpriced things (like our insanely bloated defense budget. Our annual defense spending per year is anywhere from $600-700 BILLION and Congress had no problem adding to add more funds a few times) without batting an eye and it certainly has no political will to follow the trends seen in Europe and Asia. There was a time the US was looked upon for innovation but nowadays, we're a joke when it comes to the subject of infrastructure and mass transit.

[@neutrino78x]

Are you kidding, Silicon Valley is still going strong and shows no signs of going away any time soon. We are very much the world center of innovation. We already have a system of high speed vehicles to get from one area to another, it's called jet aircraft. It goes a lot faster than HSR for a small fraction of the cost.

[@FGH9G]

5:16 Ah, I love your use of the Zephyr Streamliner as a train model Cheddar! 😁

[@aridianknight3576]

Damn only 1.7 billion? That’s 1/7th of a zumwalt destroyer and we built 4 of those.

[@grandemage]

Still would be awesome to see a high speed rail or the hyper loop in North America, but I doubt it’ll ever get done. Unlike Asia, our costs are too high, bureaucracy takes forever and automotive/airlines would petition against them. Shame, USA and Canada lag behind in this mass transport, having these in Asia and Europe are huge improvements for mass transit

[@AFoxGuy]

Brightline East: *Don’t doubt me mere mortal*

[@bricktown3156]

@@AFoxGuy it's because it's private, I think

[@MrMarinus18]

Though Europe has even more bullshit bureaucracy, even higher labor cost and naggy unions and the budget airline industry in Europe is even larger than the one in the US.

[@coolcodingcat]

Maybe North America will get a maglev before a hyperloop.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

Wait. China constructed a longer rail line in a little over a year. And this line here in the video, which is a much shorter line, would take 20?

[@Joesolo13]

To quote a show, thats the price of living in a free society Gordo. Can't just seize land or pay people $10/day

[@jrr6947]

The U.S has labour unions for each sector of the economy. The builders union is the one that usually makes infrastructure lag behind because they get paid for the amount of time they work and they are also paid by government, which grossly overestimate costs and they don't care about the time it takes to do things. While in China the workers don't have unions, which is why China's labour is so cheap, there's an abundance of workers and things are produced cheaper while the government makes sure that companies who build the infrastructure are overseeing that it all finishes in time.

[@odemata87]

Its one thing to build it quickly its another to maintain it. The initial cost of building doesn't take into consideration the prolong cost of maintenance. Many of these high speed rail are not even paying for themselves.

[@weizhang2834]

@@jrr6947 high speed rail workers in China are around 2500 dollars per month, but the price and life cost of China is much lower than the western world. Much lower, and these workers don’t even need to pay the taxes, and the government never bothered them

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

And here comes the "but they..." excuses.

[@BeaglefreilaufKalkar]

Here in Europe there is a lot of High Speed rail. They have been working at a loss since construction. They are prestige projects of state funded rail companies. Meanwhile commuter trains in for instance Germany are old and shabby. These are much more important for the Passengers. In NY the Subway and local trains are transporting millions every day, focus on this. Millions of people travel every day from home to work and back, not from Boston to New York City.

[@stephanweinberger]

Basic infrastructure is barely ever directly profitable. The profits are in a general improvement of the economy and quality of life. The road network also costs way more than it earns - do you also complain about that?

[@BeaglefreilaufKalkar]

@@stephanweinberger Where am I complaining? I'm saying that in my opinion it is more important to spend money on infrastructure for commuters, millions of whom use public transport every day, than on high speed trains, which are primarily a showpiece of national, state-supported railroad companies. You can only spend money once and as you can see in densely populated countries like the Netherlands and Belgium, or in large agglomerations, good public transport for commuters is crucial for the quality of life and very important against traffic jams. It yields much more to bring millions of people in NY to work every day quickly and safely by train than a few thousand to Philadelphia or Boston. Have you ever been to the Netherlands and experianced how a well structured commuter serving railnetwork is?

[@tzarcoal1018]

"Meanwhile commuter trains in for instance Germany are old and shabby" Where you got that from? The vast majority of regional commuter trains in Germany are pretty modern. The average age of American rolling stock for local rail is MUCH older...and the state of disrepair and aging infrastructure (with ancient signaling in many cases) is more of an American than a German problem. Germans are the ultimate complainers, so they will paint a worse picture of rail in Germany, but there are only a handful of countries that have better rail infrastructure. I agree with your point that money is better invested in commuter trains..

[@BeaglefreilaufKalkar]

@@tzarcoal1018 there id only a handfull of countries richer than Germany. Where I got it from? I moved from the Netherlands to Germany, Trains in the Netherlands are commuter centerd and very much more modern. The only modern trains I have seen in Germany are the ICE and the small private train operators.

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@BeaglefreilaufKalkar okay yes NL is very good, a bit better than Germany. But in Germany at least in 2021, the vast majority of REs, RBs and whatever is very modern. I see an advantage in interconectibility in the Netherlands, but that is also due to geography... When it comes to trains being "old and shabby" the two countries are mostly on the same level, a pretty good one. There are exception but overall the trains are fairly modern in both countries. When did you move? Comparing what WAS the standard when you left in Germany to what IS the standard now is not really fair. I was in the Netherlands 2 times in the last years, but only for some weeks, i used the trains there and was pretty happy with it, but not so drastically different than what we have in Germany. I do agree that there is some pride and prestige involved in long distance high-spedd rail, but they are not entirely useless either. NL has a different Focus, but NL has a different Focus, because they have just a different geography / demographic distrobution.

[@lynx9373]

Improving the hudson tunnel would be nice, but we would still need more tunnels to provide a way to bypass the construction and to increase the capacity.

[@Joesolo13]

Yea an additional tunnel's badly needed just so the old ones can be properly repaired and modernized. Hard to do work when there's no way to close it for more than a few hours at a time

[@VisibilityFoggy]

One of the unspoken issues here is that nobody wants to give taxpayer dollars to states like New Jersey or New York where it will be wasted. These states are corrupt, financial disasters and will squander ever dollar they are given to build something like this.

[@taoliu3949]

Hudson tunnel is the main bottleneck on the NEC right now. The next major bottleneck are the Baltimore tunnels.

[@AsherBC]

I feel like the cost estimates are extremely optimistic considering that HS2 (which several of these American developments have been inspired by) is now forecast to cost $138 billion (London to Birmingham). Also: it would have been good to state the length and cost per mile/km of each development.

[@mrbrainbob5320]

Lmaooo none of these projects are inspired by HS2, British high speed trains are garbage

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@mrbrainbob5320 it’s true, and HS2 is a shambles. A lot of the costs are due to difficult right of way agreements, and it’s well-known you don’t start seeing proper economies of scale with just one short line. You need a whole network to get the cost per mile down to something reasonable. Yet HS2 even chickened out of going up to Manchester and Glasgow, and will keep using the WCML for those routes but slower than the current Pendolinos. It’s a total mess.

[@Joesolo13]

@@kaitlyn__L its part of why China got theirs cheap. They've got a HSR industry mass-producing everything needed, not tepid build outs in a piecemeal manner

[@AsherBC]

@@mrbrainbob5320 and how much experience have you personally had with HS1 (Eurostar)? Anyway - it would seem there are more high speed trains in just England than the entire USA…

[@mrbrainbob5320]

@@AsherBC ah yes that 1 line that goes to Europe lmaooo

[@diydiva3190]

The biggest issue is the U.S. is a car culture. Even in large cities like NYC people don't want to give up their cars. Sure, NY to Boston in a few hours is great for business travel and now and then fun trips but realistically how much would it be used?

[@stephen7938]

You never mentioned Brightline, which is an actual working "high speed" rail from Miami to West Palm Beach.

[@thechickenstew3716]

125 mph is not high speed rail. The Acela is not high speed rail even though it goes 160 mph in some sections.

[@YEETMAN-dt9mb]

@@thechickenstew3716 According to wikipedia "new lines in excess of 250 kilometres per hour (160 mph) and existing lines in excess of 200 kilometres per hour (120 mph) are widely considered to be high-speed."

[@thechickenstew3716]

@@YEETMAN-dt9mb in *excess* of 200kph (125 miles per hour). that means trains that travel faster than 125 mph are HSR. And HSR has to run on dedicated tracks.

[@bartholomewdan]

@@thechickenstew3716 200km/h? You call that high-speed?

[@thechickenstew3716]

@@bartholomewdan that’s congress’s definition and much of the world’s definition.

[@marzellmoney1556]

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[@austinwalkers609]

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[@thefootballterrace9223]

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[@cheekycrypto5758]

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[@frankstellin7800]

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[@jamiemadison21]

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[@YukarioMashimato]

Brightline has a higher average speed than the Acela, not including the Orlando route currently under construction.

[@neutrino78x]

8:25 we are lagged behind in building "anything high speed" ? I think the airlines would beg to differ. We have a high speed transportation system in the USA. It is much faster than HSR. It has to be, because of the distances involved.

[@christherailfan5851]

They are showing subway trains and not Amtrak trains on the North East Corridor and comparing them to high speed train from other countries, really!

[@swunt10]

100 billion dollars and 20 years to build just 700 km of high speed rail line? what are they smoking? where do they get these numbers?

[@hackman669]

Simply import cheap labor from states with lower minimum wage and buy the land during economic down turns. Offer the land holder bellow market price during these times. Then save up over time.

[@captainevenslower4400]

Ironicly, the train in the thumbnail is a type of local train not going faster than 80 mph. But it sure looks fast with photoshop Also the narrator sounds like she is drunk Edit: they have since changed the thumbnail so my comment longer checks out 🤷‍♂️

[@aggiesce]

Username checks out!

[@mbogucki1]

What's even more ironic is that local train travels faster then most passenger trains in North America. 😅

[@liurocky4647]

It is now a Chinese train...

[@james5460]

This is the voice of 2021 speaking to the people of 1985: No, you never got your high-speed train. Nope. Never.

[@Dan_isreal.08]

Correction; car culture started because passenger rail used to be operated by crappy private corporations & people got sick of being dependent on them, we could have had HSR by now if the government nationalized the US rail system in the 1950’s

[@atonmartell2813]

Acela can actually hit up to 210 but it never gets to go to its full potential

[@Obiterarbiter]

20 year construction period? It's going to be in need of repair even before it finishes construction lol.

[@Joesolo13]

Know how long the highways took to build?

[@Obiterarbiter]

@@Joesolo13 that's not even comparable. the interstate system spans the entire country. It's in no way an analogue to a single rail line. Even if you look at a single interstate, those that do have long term construction periods ended up being degraded in places after such long construction periods.

[@KyleLi]

Huh, cool. If this goes through port Jeff then stony brook University finally will have a fast way to NYC shorter than 2 hours by lirr lol

[@ovrezy]

Only if it makes no stops or encounters no trains in front of it along the way.

[@raucousraptor]

But it's so illogical. Why would they make a tunnel through Sound when they could hit up New Haven and Bridgeport without doing the whole environmentally concerning and financially inefficient tunnel thing?

[@ip4pwn1]

@@raucousraptor Property values on Long islands north shore LI, and CT essentially destroy any hope of this becoming real

[@Joltz1245]

New York City should have high speed rails to and fro cities like Albany, etc . That way, New Yorkers can commute to and From New York City to work but enjoy affordable housing upstate.... Prosperity from New York City can now be experienced and shared by fellow New Yorkers upstate because commuting is just an hour or less...

[@myreadingmapped]

The reason we don't have high speed rail in the northeast corridor is the 1853 Norwalk train wreck site at the drawbridge over the Norwalk River.. Here is where it is: www.google.com/maps/@41.1002423,-73.4159948,1115m/data=!3m1!1e3 Note how the new plan in the video totally avoids this site because the current high speed rail has to slow down to pass over the rebuilt 1913 drawbridge which immediately has a large curve and a branch line next to the drawbridge. The cost to fix this problem is staggering because it would require redeveloping the entire area around it..

[@bobilgner5396]

Robert Yaro I'm for the high speed rail all over America, gray hound along can't do it we need this rail, fast, quick and Expensive spend the money they'll make it back in no time.

[@JerryC25]

These will be great to get everyone who’s fleeing the city out as quick as possible.

[@hackman669]

Simply repopulate areas with low paid workers, build cheap rentals and create business zones with low taxes. Problem solves?

[@dbclass4075]

If the rail network crosses borders in similar vein to Europe, maybe fleeing the country too?

[@masterimbecile]

I don't even live in New England and I'm still stoked for them! I guess it's just the rail fan in me.

[@neofil69]

You just forget France as leader in the hight speed trains in europe.

[@aridianknight3576]

Okay 1. Population density is only a problem if you’re trying to run trains out to rural montana. The vast majority of the population of the US lives on the east coast, west coast, and the rust belt. High speed rail in those areas would be huge. Dedicated high speed connections between these areas are optional but appreciated. It could also facilitate growth of population in the mid west.

[@aureliusxvincent]

20 years? Too damn long, it'll be dead on arrival if it finishes 20 years from now XD

[@altrag]

And that's the problem. You can't magic up those lines overnight - it takes time to requisition land, demolish whatever's already on that land and then construct the new line. And permits and red tape and hassle every step of the way across.. not sure if its 2 or 3 states? Wasn't paying enough attention to the route but a lot of governments to deal with nonetheless. Honestly the 20 year time frame is probably harder to get Congress to swallow than the $100bn price tag. I mean that won't be easy either of course, but Congress tends to think in election cycles and 20 years is a hell of a lot of elections.

[@TheToontownPirate]

1:48 That is actually the Metromover in Miami!

[@gabingston3430]

I think the existing Acela tracks should be upgraded to allow for higher speed rather than building an entirely new line.

[@li_tsz_fung]

Improving current tracks can maybe give you 10% or so boost. But nowhere near the HSR level. HSR need much straighter route and then much fewer stops.

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

The Northeast Corridor has some of the oldest tracks in the USA and also, some of the bridges are drawbridges over rivers and Connecticut towns have control over when the bridges can close, since some towns get taxes from boaters...

[@r.d.9399]

They can't. It's aging with curves that can't handle those speeds. New maglev technology from Washington DC to Boston is what's needed.

[@dbclass4075]

@@r.d.9399 It doesn't even have to be a maglev. A new dedicated route with conventional rail might interest to those cheapskates. Ah, wait. They could be that cheap to not even consider that.

[@Sunkissedguy]

The cost is significantly inflated and the construction time of 20 years is ridiculous. That is very slow in terms of global standards.

[@DavidJohnson-dp4vv]

builld that shit faster then.. build different sections at the same time. The time you build the tunnel under long island sound build the elevated sectiont from connecticut to Boston via Rhode Island. The same with the rest of the sections in NY. Do the same for midwest regional line, DC to atlanta regional line, and the same for califronia and the cities in the deep south too.

[@AVeryRandomPerson]

Nah, once it's actually complete, it'll be something like a billion over budget. That's how all infrastructure projects are

[@bishop51807]

@IpSyCo we don't not invest to maintain our current infrastructure. we had a bridge on I-40 become inoperable because no money to fix it. Think about it I'm professional truck driver. I had to divert from using that route, costing more diesel to burn, and longer delivery times for grocery stores to get their product.

[@tz8785]

The US has always lagged behind? One of first diesel streamliners operated commercially in the US (Burlington Zephyr) - back in 1934.

[@sohigh10]

I mean.. I get why Biden is focusing his efforts on improving existing infrastructure. It's lower hanging fruit and it's going to pay off for a lot more people. Why build one 'world class' high speed rail when every other piece of rail infrastructure doesn't even meet basic intercity speeds.

[@seanharan9521]

we should be doing both

[@JagisGarcia]

Cheddar just keeps coming out with more amazing content! The teams that work on these should get a raise.

[@amGerard0]

train go brr

[@bruhz_089]

Of course train go train

[@__JJN__]

Big brr

[@bartholomewdan]

nah they go woooshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@johnwiiu7005]

Im so lucky to live in germany. Even though DB is on average roughly 40 minutes delayed, we still have trains, trams, ubahns, sbahns and busses to every little corner of our country.

[@AJRailfan]

The Acela 21 should be a good upgrade. Not the kind of newly built high speed rail line we need, but it would still be better than the current Acela.

[@Deafscrafty7]

20-year construction project is a problem? America has became a nation of quitters. Remember these huge infrastructure projects are for our kids and grandkids to enjoy the fruits of nation after our hardships, just like how our grandparents rebuilt this country back on track after Great Depression. And oh, Eisenhower's Interstate Freeway network only went full after 35 years. Be patient, Americans! We can do this!

[@zaydansari4408]

Great video but you should have mentioned Florida’s new Brightline High-speed rail. They got around the money problem but raising the money privately for the most part.

[@Fals3Agent]

brightline is not high-speed rail, it's using existing rail, only new sections will be fast....essentially the same problem as amtrak acela

[@dbclass4075]

@@Fals3Agent And their rolling stock is Siemens Velaro? That's way under utilized. A regional train such as Siemens Desiro would be more appropriate.

[@Fals3Agent]

@@dbclass4075 yeah kind of overkill but I guess they reaaaaaaaally wanted the speed even though it doesn't reach lmao

[@dbclass4075]

@@Fals3Agent Basically, they drag a German train into the same problem as the French train they currently have. When would they learn infrastructure is equally important as the vehicles?

[@Fals3Agent]

@@dbclass4075 they will never learn lol, america doesn't understand rail....the one place that is doing dedicated infrastructure is california which coincidentally is also the most attacked project lololol

[@myllis3807]

It's kind of sad that such a big global city like New York does not have high speed rail

[@PaulsWildLife]

It's too congested here. Plus, we don't really need it. Regional flights are dirt cheap.

[@Fals3Agent]

@@PaulsWildLife congestion and cheaper regional travel is exactly why other countries do high-speed rail

[@Blaze6432]

HSR exists to connect cities not to remain in a city......

[@neutrino78x]

thye have an extensive public transit system, but you don't need HSR within a city. HSR is for going from city to city. And for travel between population centers, Americans just fly. It's a lot faster. Our population centers are a lot further apart. For example the first city east of San Jose (aka Silicon Valley) that has at least the same population as San Jose is Dallas, Texas, 1734 miles or 2790 km. A plane can fly it in three hours. If the US Federal Government wanted to waste multiple hundreds of billions building a HSR from San Jose to Dallas, it would still take six hours, so what would be the point? The private sector does it much better and the federal government only has to pay for security (TSA) and air traffic control. The airlines pay for the jets and to operate every other aspect of the airport. It's a lot cheaper for all involved and the vehicle is MUCH FASTER. The Northeast Corridor is one of the few regions in the USA that has major cities as close together as Europe, and there is in fact an HSR in the region already, Accela.

[@andrewlikestrains4138]

So we can spend over $700 billion annually on the military but not around $200-$400 billion over a 20-year period to build all the high-speed rail networks mentioned in this video (the $400 billion amount is mentioned in case the cost increases during construction)?

[@gerdforster883]

There is a big problem with the proposed high-speed lines shown in this video: they are insular. For high-speed rail to really work, you want an actual network, where you can change between high-speed trains or high-speed and higher speeds trains (conventional trains travelling mainly at speeds between 140 and 200 km/h). Otherwise, you'll just end up with glorified commuter lines. It might be sensible to first build up a higher speeds network (by refurbishing the existing lines) and then add the high-speed option later.

[@JoeyO_202]

As a rail fan and frequent rider of Amtrak, I would love to see it, but it’ll never happen, unfortunately... We can’t even agree to support our other aging / critical infrastructure like electrical systems and highways. We’re a country too big to sustain ourselves at this point. 😢

[@crazy808ish]

You're so right. It's funny because despite all the "cars are better!" comments you see our highway system hasn't really been improved or expanded at all in nearly 30 years.

[@starandfox601]

The rails are fine.you just saw the s@$ty chartiety case that exsit cuase mot many want to ride trains. The real meat is in freight trains the system supporting America.

[@crazy808ish]

​@@starandfox601 😂 You're funny trying to turn freight against passenger rail. Nobody is saying it has to be one or the other. You wanna bring more freight around America? That's awesome!

[@starandfox601]

@@crazy808ish but the reality is it is one or the other. Amtrak is so slow cuase it has to weight for freight trains.since freight gets priority on US rails. While other countries it's passnager trains that get priority and freight has to wait for them. Making freight wait might not seem like iusse.but in the US it is cuase the US is producer and needs to ship at goods in mass has fast has it can.esipceally goods that go bad fast like food products.

[@crazy808ish]

@@starandfox601 That's true for current passenger rail. And it's also why people want new high speed rail lines. Not the same old freight based lines. Freight can have it's own lines, nobody's taking those away.

[@daelbows5783]

Amtrak doesn't own the track in Connecticut which is owned by Metro North and Connecticut is a broke state so thats not getting fixed

[@AVeryRandomPerson]

And Metro-North is owned by the MTA, which is a NY agency.

[@daelbows5783]

@@AVeryRandomPerson true. but ig the MTA is not any better, esp with Cuomo micromanaging everything

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Isn't it amazing that the states with the highest tax burdens are the same ones that are "broke?"

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

D349, You are correct...Florida, where I live, is not raising taxes...and might be giving us two tax breaks...

[@Exploder11]

There’s also the Northeast Maglev project with plans to connect DC to Baltimore then to NYC.

[@marktrinidad7650]

I bet the planning has started already. To be finished planning 20 years from now. You just got to love American bureacracy at work.

[@Exploder11]

@@marktrinidad7650 I think they've already finished the environmental impact study for the first leg, so now they're contending with NIMBY-ism along the planned route.

[@richardrose2606]

Don't forget space elevators and colonies on the moon. Common', start thinking BIG.

[@felixbaxter352]

I think an underappreciated application of HSR is as long distance commuter trains, extending the practical commute into a hinterland where possibilities exist for cheaper housing while still having a city job. New York to Washington running west of the Poconos and down the Susquehanna , for example.

[@tunnfisch7548]

It's funny that Germany is presented as an good example but here in Germany we think we're the worst in case of railway and personally speaking we are. France, Swiss and Austria are so much better.

[@bartholomewdan]

Maybe if we stopped doing things like BER and Stuttgart 21 then we could afford to build more 300km/h track.

[@B.H90]

let's make a bet,, in 2040, she will put another video "Is New York Finally Getting A Real High-Speed Rail? - Cheddar Explains" ,

[@mikevale3620]

In 2040, I'll probably be DEAD.

[@wonderman7166]

I wonder when will the US construct a railway that will go from east US to west US and vice versa? The US is a rich country anyway so....

[@1234debp]

I mean there are already 4 lines which travel from east to west in the USA, they're just not highspeed lol

[@adityaajit2120]

@@1234debp yeah snail trains , better to walk then get a train to travel in the US

[@Weyird]

The longer the distances, the more it makes sense to just fly instead. Rail makes the most sense in medium-distance travels where riding a train is faster than the laborious process of checking into a flight, going through security, etc.

[@YEETMAN-dt9mb]

Never gonna happen, its just easier to fly. New York to LA is farther than London to Moscow.

[@tc3693]

The US has that already lmao. Amtrak operates many famous cross country routes. Even if those trains were high speed it would still take about a day to get from New York to LA.

[@bstephan5224]

We need to free our cities from cars. We need public transportation. United States has the worst public transportation in the world. American they've been forced To have Cars. We don't need any more Roads. and bridges. and concrete. We need 21st century public transportation. Immediately. I'll provide this can I get the worst.

[@rajeshgajbhiye1048]

I thought south asia had the worst public transportation 👀👀

[@a_Minion_of_Soros]

Maybe the states that will benefit should fund it? The failiure in CA is their problem.

[@pumfeethermodynamics3286]

theyre doing it tho. they already modified the rails and bought the trains from alstom. its called the avelia liberty and can go well beyond 165 mph

[@sisssss6827]

The fact that African countries have high speed rail says now a lot about the US.

[@blackhole9961]

1 African nation and that’s Morocco with less than 1 physician per capita, but hey high speed train.

[@ip4pwn1]

Yes, we can afford cars, and planes...and fuel.

[@osmanhossain676]

When is the US High Speed Rail going to be completed?

[@starventure]

You really ought to be asking who is going to ride it.

[@uhohhotdog]

2792

[@codyuhlmansiek805]

It will be available as soon as the MARXISTS ban us from owning private automobiles...and some of us will be outlaws...You can have my auto when you MARXISTS prey it from my dead hands...

[@richardrose2606]

In the same amount of time it will take to start building HSR: Never.

[@AuroraPerformance]

*Acela Express & Avelia Liberty* - Am I a joke to you?

[@MercenaryPen]

*Rest of the world*- Yes you are

[@bartholomewdan]

@@MercenaryPen European here, average speed of 104km/h is on par with lower-end regional trains here. Checks out.

[@YukarioMashimato]

Yes you are because your tracks can't handle the speed

[@celeduc]

Barcelona-Madrid direct nonstop express trains are 2:30, not 2:45 as the video claims. The 2:45 includes a stop in Zaragoza.

[@joecole7817]

NE Acela can run 150mph but operating at ave lower than 80mph. Too many curves on existing alignments. So it is not easy fix