Is Older Call of Duty Better or is it Just Nostalgia?

[@ogtkells5966]

you know you were in a good lobby when after hours of playing the same people, someone would go "aight guys its been good im done for today" and everyone would say goodbye and there was a sense of community. ahhh the good ole day

[@insidious34]

Picked up cold war again yesterday after playing black ops 3 for the last year and the disbanding lobbies made the experience feel very lifeless

[@kingoftherevolution4855]

I see you didn't play on xbox heh

[@davidc1961utube]

And an exchange of friend requests...

[@rhyschadwick3269]

The community is what I miss the most. I don't think disbanding lobbies is responsible for the demise of the community though. I feel like the community died years ago when we split off into fans of Treyarch and fans of IW. After years of relative consistency from one CoD to the next we entered the Advanced movement era where what you got fro. One CoD to next was anyone's guess. You'd get used to one thing only to have it removed the next year and then return a year after that. It's ridiculous

[@Retotion]

Mannn this just makes me sad, the good old days are gone forever

[@YourGuySmallFry]

Cod4, WaW, MW2, BO1, MW3, and BO2 were 6 amazing games in a row. They were each flawed but ultimately very fun.

[@thatdude8760]

Those were all my faves as well. MW2019 really wasn't that bad but compared to perks, gun selection, maps, and game modes it falls flat compared to older CODS. Warzone was a big change though and overall a W.

[@DeadSpacedOut]

I agree mostly but I honestly never really enjoyed MW2. The Game was never patched and despite what most people say, I have always held the same belief of Multiplayer Video Games, that balance is a HUGE part of why I like MP Gaming and MW2 was simply too broken imo and thus I barely played it and enjoyed it much. Yes, Cod4 had M16/Stopping Power, Waw had MP40/Stopping Power and MW3 had shit like Dead Man's Hand (as seen in the video multiple times actually lol) but MW2 had an unimaginable amount of issues like all the Deathstreaks MW3 had but also knifing was broken and MW2 had Perks like Danger Close, Stopping Power, Commando and of course... One Man Army, also Explosives by themselves were broken as shit and you could get a Nuke with other Streaks, rather than all Gun KIlls, plus there were tons of bugs at launch like the Infinite Care Package Glitch by climbing up one whilst throwing it or something, and balance was all kinda wack, the last Assault Rifle, the F2000 was one of the worst guns in the game and that's only like a fraction of the issues. Idk, I just feel like MW2 was the perfect storm of issues at launch just enough to where it was too much and had more issues than any other COD, but also wasn't as uninspired feeling as newer COD Games are, but I still feel MW2 is highly overrated.

[@YourGuySmallFry]

@@DeadSpacedOut I agree with what you said, but the game did undeniably have a very solid identity and style. It’s just sad that people find the most broken strategies and exploit them.

[@RexKiller17]

Easily the best CODs… times were just different back then

[@dhsjakacjenal]

@@DeadSpacedOut everything was viable in mw2 because everything was broken. The game was fun because it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously like all these mlg faze kids do now. It was just pure chaos and casual fun. And getting a nuke with other streaks is probably the best design decision ever lol. Because it’s fun. Anybody can go for a nuke any game and it gives the game so much replay value.

[@j0hny00s]

As a CoD player since ‘07 it’s honestly not just nostalgia. The games were simply better you could tell the developers put their love into them. Also, Black Ops 1 still has the best Combat Record in CoD history.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Black Ops 1 was my absolute favorite COD, followed by BO2, then MW3

[@DeadSpacedOut]

@@TheBlueBunnyKen Black Ops 1 Gold Camo on the AK-47 is enough to make a 3 year old, grow facial hair, that's the power of it's beauty... also, Bo1 had some of the best maps, weapon balance and variety, i think Bo1's MP is THE masterclass in how an mp experience should be built, perfection.

[@codean909]

Bro…. The map overlay that showed where all your kills and deaths were was amazing.

[@j0hny00s]

@@codean909 IIRC there was even a record that showed where you were hit at most on the body. Truly ahead of it’s time.

[@87donofrio]

BO1 was my first cod on PS3 back in early 2011

[@erikalvarez4516]

I have noticed that while the graphics are getting better it's definitely harder to see campers. The advances in shadows and lighting effects make a lot of scenarios really bright and others really dark. Granted I am getting older and everyone else seems to just get better.

[@Logan-dk8of]

thats why people like my friends and I who don't care how games look and just wanna win play most of our games on lower settings, especially shadow and lighting settings, because the games runs better and you can see players much better and this applies to almost every game nowadays, playing on higher graphics just puts you at a disadvantage

[@Pablituss]

The more details the map has has, the less attention you pay to see the enemy

[@faabylon]

No there just noob campers getting buffed to max from kiddie noob camper friendly salesman from infinity ward

[@faabylon]

@@Logan-dk8of yeah and there are we in the same lobby where i just want to play 3-4 games to relax after study or work and get anhilated by your kind thanks to sbmm

[@GeistInTheMachine]

Milleinals are getting old and Zoomers were playing CoD literally in diapers.

[@gamblerscop7769]

Me personally, I liked how in black ops 1 you had like a cod money system and you just bought what you wanted and could afford at the time. Camos also were paid for buy this money system and you could even buy a gold camo for more. However if you wanted to unlock a pro version of a perk you had to do challenges. super simple and casual. Also when you prestige you keep your money but everything else resets. My fav system by far.

[@charizard9735]

Yep. I really hate how camos work in newer cods. Forcing us to grind with guns we really don't want to be using and some of the camo challenges are outright ridiculous. I'd rather it be time put into the weapon or reach one of the last prestige tiers rather than "do x amount of x for each category"

[@entity5279]

thats actually something i really miss about it, playing party games to get in game money was the fucking bomb

[@3glad0s]

Yes!!!!! I loved this!

[@theFishy_]

@@charizard9735 there is a reason they are called mastery camos... it's not for everyone, if it would be easy to get them then that would make no sense, and if you complain about playing with every weapon then you are just complete dogshit, cause the whole point is in enjoying the full game using everything it has to offer, not just playing the same weapon the whole time and then pretending you are some awesome pro player just cause you have a camo wich you paid for with cod points or earned by using the best weapon in the game all the time. Thats why the modern camo system is superior cause it actually needs you to show off your skill in every aspect of the game, not just camping with the best rifle.

[@blurayden]

I think that with the newer way of getting the camos would be better

[@kooth4603]

I just miss the lobby staying after a game, getting to learn the playstyle of specific people in the lobby and find a useful counter to that, that was my favorite part of playing call of duty and I dearly miss it

[@Gardenstategreat1225]

So underrated. Being able to play the same lobby helps you get better imo. Plus its more fun to trash talk 😂

[@justsaying993]

100% agree. Having back and forth with rival players was too fun

[@ShOGun142]

Hit the nail with this one

[@BertskiThe3rd]

They can still force it onto comp

[@hamzazilani6398]

@@justsaying993 Yh man like if I got shat on by someone back in the day I wouldn’t rage quit, I’d stay in the lobby and try get back at him, that’s clearly been lost recently

[@Deadpool....]

The older cods had the FUN factor, dont get it twisted you can have fun in the newer games too but with how they handle matchmaking and how much consistency theyve lost overtime you're more likely to get frustrated more than have fun as opposed to before

[@B4NSHEE_WITH_A_4]

Yeah I agree. I personally prefer the newer games because of the movement mechanics, customisation, aesthetics and like ace said, being able to tune the settings to your liking and free dlc. However I'd be lying if I said matchmaking in the newer ones is irritating. Having a good game feels shooting yourself in the foot. Newer cod has become a bit too competitive and I miss the feeling of being able to relax while playing

[@SamWeLL1929]

my favorite thing about some of the cods specifically bo1 and 2 were the custom emblems i like sitting in a lobby looking at other peoples creatives emblems but some people had to ruin it

[@1Chasg]

It's the sweats fault. It's no longer fun with the sweaty bunny hop virgins around.

[@hachelyd_i3232]

@@1Chasg it’s not their fault either. IW made so many unnecessary changes to CoD that it forced people to play a specific way.

[@1kanyestan394]

@@1Chasg so people can't be good at the game anymore?

[@keayshawn101]

Honestly I feel like the “fun” factor slowly diminished over the years. In the older games you can see and feel the effort and passion that was put into them. Unfortunately it doesn’t scratch that same itch as it used to previously. The games now feel rushed and incomplete and this applies for most recent video games as well not just COD.

[@Binary_Deviant]

Agreed. I am thankful for X-Labs, and Plutonium.

[@electro5175]

passion🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@danieldanielson2324]

They feel incomplete because they can get away with it. “Live service” is their safeguard. It’s no longer “with this game we put forth all of our best efforts and it was a collective experience to bring this new installment ready to go day one for you. 🙏” Now it’s “well we got whatever we got done mostly finished. It’s not the whole thing but here it is. We’ll add the rest in later because fuck it, we gotta make updates anyway.”

[@TheSpiderComix]

@@danieldanielson2324 Agreed. The issue is with current CoDs is that they rush the games out with little content, like 8-9 maps on launch, then rectify it saying "Content is free!" They already have your money, why would they put effort into making new maps and content when that gives them no money? All of their effort these days goes into their $24 bundles. You can tell everything around the games these days, from adding operators everywhere and a creating a free to play battle royale, that their main objective is getting people to buy these $24 flashy skins since that makes profit. I think it's natural that, by human nature, people will eventually get tired of the "live service" and predatory FOMO service the game industry has right now and we'll move back to paid, but quality, content. Until then, it's up to people individually to scope the world out for completed games. To find the good games, avoid games with these things: "live service," "early access," and any type of micro-transactions (cosmetic or not). Think about all the great games in the past and present and you'll realize none of them have any of those things.

[@danieldanielson2324]

@@TheSpiderComix they made a killing by taking away content and features and then reintroducing it as something that is purchasable or for the ploy of “oh here’s some new content for you” For example, CW adding back a crossbow wasn’t NEW content! We’ve seen it before! These devs make bad game decisions, get flamed for it, rectify it later with an update and get praised???? Why are they getting praised for putting out a fire they started? And these skins are literal free money. They probably pay for artists to devise something then make a dev create it. As long as it doesn’t have a dick, titties or a swasticka, it’s all on board to add. Who cares about paying respect to a time period like i don’t know, World War 2?!

[@morbidtotty8375]

I like that the older cods had a bigger variety of maps and they took more risks with map layouts and each one had a unique look and many of them had a cool feature or landmark in each map

[@Peepbrother]

@@J.Wolf90 Have you played MW2? What maps beside Shoothouse only have 3 lanes? Forgets to mention there’s ground war and invasion lol

[@whatshismain]

J. Wolf I don't think you understand 3 lanes. Cause newer cods majority of maps aren't 3 lanes and almost all classic cods had only 3 lanes

[@rogerrms2180]

You are so right,now all the maps feel the same

[@JM-qn3tf]

That makes no sense it’s the complete opposite… The old mats were all pretty much the same and in the new one they’re all completely different. You guys just say stuff just to say stuff

[@blackpainty3048]

the only map with a good part in the middle recently is farm18

[@94nolo]

It's not just nostalgia. These games were so fun, and still are.

[@crossfire2045]

Haven't had so much fun in a Call of Duty in a while until I went back to Black Ops 1 on Plutonium and played the original maps with the old guns. Not so much with BO2 because even though the game was viewed as the best COD game, I was still so-so on the game for multiplayer. I was more for MW3 than BO2

[@94nolo]

@@crossfire2045 plutonium MW3 is 🤌🏼 the only modern COD I knew was really great during the time it was new, was BO3.

[@crossfire2045]

@@94nolo MW3 was a modern warfare game that I felt could not be matched, it took what made MW2 enjoyable and expanded upon it, but what people from MW2 didn't like was the fact that MW3 had One Man Army removed and the Model 1887 severely nerfed after the akimbo shotgun sniping that occured in MW2. BO3 was amazing and is one of the best modern COD games of the last seven years and one of the best COD games to be released for the PS4 with WW2 behind it (not Launch day WW2 but post patch, post rework version). The later version of WW2 was much better compared to what I heard about the game when it first launched.

[@Freelancer837]

Yep, I've been having an absolute blast on PC playing MW1, WAW, MW2, BO1, BO2, even Ghosts. All these games are so much fun even to this day and I've been playing them more than anything else recently even

[@kfcchad2058]

its nostalgia

[@Beyonder1987]

Back in the day, we got more maps and better quality maps than we do now. We got to vote which maps we want to play and whether we continue to play with same people we played in the last match. Also skill based matchmaking was no way near as bad as it is now. Before i used to play lobbies filled with my country men in UK. Now i get players across europe as far as Germany and Poland just for the sake to match my skill level which means higher ping and swet. I am a seasonal COD gamer and this year is the first time since 2007 that i stopped playing COD. What a ride it has been though. So many good memories. Its sad to see COD franchise has gotten so regressive and poor.

[@tdogg4lyf]

Feel the same, I quit a little before you (Few months into Black Ops: CW). The franchise for me has lost it's fun and addictive sense of feeling, more importantly in a lot of ways lost the community we once had. The game I fell in love with all those years ago just doesn't exist anymore, which to be honest hurts.

[@Moooniemoon]

Most maps back then were ass

[@The_MEMEphis]

@@Moooniemoon no they weren't, MW19 had aweful maps with just a bunch of safe spaces for campers

[@Moooniemoon]

@@The_MEMEphis yeah MW19 maps were ass to. Cod4 and MW2 maps especially had a bunch of spawn exploits and glitches areas. BO1 had some interesting and fun maps but just had camp friendly spots with minimal counter play to them. BO2 and BO3 had a bunch of 3 lanes.

[@davidw2910]

I hear ya brother.

[@serendipitousslim1529]

I think the older CoD’s charm was much more than just nostalgia. I would gladly take back some of the inconsistencies the older games had (migrating hosts/balance issues/OP killstreaks) over the crushingly anti-player consistencies these newer games have (Strict SBMM/seasons/focus on metrics over actual player feedback). The difference between the old CoDs and new CoDs is that the stuff that pissed us off in the older CoDs were all honest mistakes/oversights by developers who actually cared about making the best possible game in-spite of the technical limitations of the time period, where as the stuff that piss us off in these new ones are completely by design and the ones that are legitimate oversights often don’t even get addressed in a timely manner, DESPITE the fact that patches nowadays are the norm.

[@LittleBigBwner]

Very good point all around - but what I wanted to throw in was, I honestly started to to not mind host migrations as much after a while because it was almost always someone rage quitting and it was hilarious when you'd kill someone, only for a host migration to all of a sudden happen shortly after. Oh and also now, when the store has a bug? - INSTANT FIX - game has a bug? - we'll say we're working on it and eventually add a fix but only during a major update because we're really working on more microtransactions

[@fightonemoji8721]

I still play the older ones. Got into warzone a bit but it’s more of a love hate relationship.

[@fightonemoji8721]

I still play the older ones. Got into warzone a bit but it’s more of a love hate relationship.

[@PreacH0921]

Honestly never minded OP kill streaks. They made it fun to play your life

[@MakeIt4]

Amen to that dude

[@ITalk69]

Older CoDs are 100% better. The killstreaks in older CoDs were amazing as well.

[@Skrenja]

Nope. Movement is night and day better in newer CODs.

[@jfc6132]

@@Skrenja Older cods had better matchmaking, much better map design, way more content at launch,way better campaigns, better weapon balancing, way less buggy at luanch(unlike newer cods),better prestige & overall progression system, better camo grinds, no microtransactions or dogshit battlepasses(which ruined progression in cod)

[@bobdarrick2628]

@@jfc6132 more content at launch was good but they didn’t have the same content post launch. MW has 54 maps in it rn.

[@bobdarrick2628]

@@jfc6132 older CoDs games weren’t more balanced. MW2 was a bit balanced because of all the guns being op, but the F200 was nothing compared to the ACR for example. CoD4 had weaker balancing as well (MP44 was useless compared to the AK-47, G36C was quite bad compared to the M4A1/M4 Carbine).

[@jfc6132]

@@bobdarrick2628 Most of the maps in Mw2019 are horrendous

[@Sethronskillz]

I really felt every point you made in this video lol, as someone who’s just recently gone from MWR to MW19 I’ve noticed these things massively, like the point you made about people being easier to spot on the old games, in MWR if someone shoots me…I can normally tell where about it came from and play accordingly, but MW19 I find myself having to avoid entire areas of a map because I get dropped by someone I couldn’t see and when your camera turns towards where you’re shot from there are near endless places they could be hidden…like a window above a pile of rubble and a bush with a door just beside them and you’re just left wondering where tf the person shot you from, this is only made worse by the new mini map system that functions soooo much worse than the og cod mini map that was simple, but effective!

[@dblackoqps1520]

Modern Warfare [CoD 4] Remastered was so good. The ONLY thing I disliked was how some of the weapon kits were way to similar to the earned challenge camos (there were weapon kits that made the weapon look gold).

[@jordanlazarus7345]

MW2019 was fine, the visibility was never an issue for me, no idea why. Maybe it's because I don't just set the settings all the way up, because they don't need to be.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

YESSS. I keep getting flanked and fucked outta NOWHERE, and it feels unfair. At this point, I felt like I played better in my childhood, and I’m 23!!

[@gettoman5]

I really miss no disbanding lobbies and being able to play with my friends without feeling bad about pulling them up to my skill level. Map voting… Oh my god that system is so simple yet amazing. Also the endless grind for customization. I reached level 70 prestige 10 on MW2 and still did not have everything which I loved! The one major thing I give the modern games though is how good aiming feels. Aiming feels so good in the new games and if we could just get the old games with the new aiming systems I would be so happy

[@oSTARGAMINGo]

I dont blame that opinion but imo the games nowadays are way less skillbased when it comes to aiming, its like dynamic and rotational aim assist were just taken to the moon, in fact in some skill ranges you dont have the ability to miss 1 single shot… compared with pay to win dark skins, fucked up spawns and stairglitching its not even skill based anymore, its all about timing you have and who isnt running into a gunfight, in older cods you could react, you could have missed shots because the aim assist werent that strong, compared to sprint to fire and all that with 10000 different attachements…. They can add dead zones and horizontal and vertikal Stick sensivity and in ads sens but nothing more you need nowadays….

[@Montykrajta]

Biggest point of yours I agree with are the maps. Old CoD maps were so much more interesting and varied from map to map than current CoD games. There is a reason they bring back remakes of old maps in every single new CoD title, the maps were just plain better.

[@TheShapeshifter]

New cod maps are way too streamlined and super uninteresting to play on. Sadly cod players are now conditioned to playing those types of maps now if MW2019 is anything to go off on.

[@Bestgameplayer10]

This one thing I can definitely say is better with the old CoDs. Maps being free also makes them feel like… less effort is put into them compared to before where maps HAD to be good to entice people to continue buying map packs. Free maps is better for everyone since we all can experience them but paid maps were of better quality it seems.

[@b__w_4565]

@@Bestgameplayer10 that point doesnt stand tho because the BASE maps were amazing as well lol.....those are the ones that get remade a ton anyway.

[@Bestgameplayer10]

@@b__w_4565 My point was how added maps tend to have been better when they were paid for than the free maps we get today (at least in my opinion). Nothing to do with base maps.

[@TDM_]

I’d say he also forgot to talk about older cods having open mics forcing voicechat with the widest variety of people. Newer cods, people don’t use mics much or there are playing with their friends in discord/party chat. This feature made trash talking or just meeting funny people always a awesome, having a chance of a night being crazy fun.

[@301MG]

just go to game chat

[@MrKhalifa9000]

game chat still exists bro

[@TDM_]

@@MrKhalifa9000 yeah game chat exists not forced voice chat.

[@lakthederg]

@@TDM_ i mean, people talk less because most console players don’t use headphones. its just a change in culture. i have my mic turned off, but its turned off on my whole xbox, not COD

[@bahhumbug5467]

@@lakthederg not true what? Theres a ton of sweaty people using surround sound headphones esp on mw2 the footsteps are so damn clear idk people are just always in parties and discord

[@superjinyaj1266]

I also like the factions in the older games. Having simple characters teams like Seals vs Spetnaz helped define character visibility. I think new cod suffer the most from this especially Vanguard

[@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661]

And immersion. The 'throwing a flashbang' and 'cover me I'm reloading' quips in english, russian, and other languages made it immersive. Instead of 'gay woman German' calling herself a 'badass' during the game. Give me a break...

[@mcnalga]

@@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661 yea more so immersion, I fucken love the faction music.

[@claytonaut]

Team Deathmatch Shut up, clock in and load up

[@sortofanoakyafterbirth3661]

@@mcnalga Yes I completely forgot about the music for each factions.

[@AmazingChi]

Good god, I cannot tell you how many times I've been killed because an ally is directly behind an enemy somewhere and their name tag prevents me from realising that. This Operator cosmetic haven they've created was at least tolerable when there were two overall factions. Now I have to work if I'm shooting the right Snoop Dogg or not.

[@phonyponybologna1070]

Spot on, Ace. While the newer games have definitely brought some unique and appreciated additions, there's just something about them that makes them feel less inviting. You kind of touched on it in the XP token segment. It just feels like now, it's all about the data: player retention numbers, revenue from microtransactions, etc. Back then, it felt more, I don't know, welcoming. The game was only concerned with making sure you were having fun.

[@agny369]

Also how many years in a row can the same basic game style be enjoyable? I like the game but my playtime has gone down exponentially over the years . BO2 was the peak for me

[@keithdyah]

@@agny369 100%.

[@zebra4352]

Agree with every point you made. In a nutshell, newer CoDs give great QoL improvements, but the lack of complexity and simplified mechanics of older CoDs is what allowed them to "just work".

[@ExorPraetor]

I certainly enjoyed many of the older CoDs more than the newer ones, all at their respective times. It seems like the older ones had some soul in them, while the newer ones are just prosaic, uninspired, data-driven tosh.

[@calebgleason5223]

I'm glad you brought up the issue with attachments and how advanced its become. When we first got the gunsmith i thought it was super cool and unique but after using the gunsmith for these past few years it just seems like a chore to me to use a weapon to level it up and get the attachments that I want. The simple attachments system from older CODs is far superior in my opinion.

[@christopheryanez]

BO1’s primary weapons could only use 1 attachment and the Warlord perk allowed our guns to have 2 attachments and that felt like plenty for BO1. I’m pretty sure MW2’s Bling perk was the same thing too. BO2’s primary weapons could use 2 attachments and the Primary Gunfighter wildcard allowed primary weapons to use 3 attachments…one more attachment on top of 2 slots felt like it was more than enough. Nowadays the gunsmith is honestly one of the worst game ruining aspects of these newer CoDs. It should be disliked just as much as SBMM. That fact that MW2019 let’s us use 5 attachments for our primary weapons is way too much, Cold War’s primary weapons can use 5 attachments and the Gunfighter wildcard allows the player to use EIGHT attachments, Vanguard’s gunsmith is just laughable…it’s WAY too much for a WW2 game, and now with MW2022 they added receivers and ammunition slots. It’s getting way too ridiculous for a game that’s was mostly known as a somewhat simple arcade run and gun FPS for the longest time. Idk why they’re trying so hard to make CoD into this wannabe tactical FPS. The gunsmith works for something like Insurgency: Sandstorm…not CoD. It’s also more reasonable in Insurgency: Sandstorm because almost all of the weapons, attachments, accessories, armor, and backpacks requires a certain amount of points to equip and the player only has a certain amount of points to use depending on the class they’re using. You can’t just use whatever you want, you have to use your points wisely. CoD needs to ditch their gunsmith system because it’s only going to make weapon balancing more problematic.

[@tomasavi6490]

Just watching those clips, BO2 raid and MTAR, MW3 MOAB hunting with specialist, MW2 Favela and UMP. Literally brings a few tears to my eyes. I miss that so much

[@imCurveee]

Its interesting how the pros of the new games are mostly technical things (graphics, sound, dedicated servers, etc.) but for the old games they were more gameplay and progression mechanics.

[@billyrayphillips]

I agree. The things that are basically guaranteed to improve with time, like graphics, obviously improved. The things that matter more though, like how fun things are, and are not a given, have almost universally gotten worse.

[@ctixu4dicy]

Baffling how Activision can't seem to combine the strengths of old cod to these new games. They would make even more money if they actually listened to the community

[@CalzaTheFox]

I'm spoiled by the animation fidelity of newer CODs. They are very immersive, and I love the attention to detail.

[@bwood282]

Old games were simple, kinda like the early days of warzone. There wasn’t so many things going on at once. Also the old games, you could play them without sweating your balls off. Don’t get me wrong I love being competitive at times when I need to, like a 1v6 clutch on S&D. But SBMM makes it so EVERY gun fight and every match is a sweat fest

[@GcubePlayer8]

Warzone was fun until vanguard

[@NoahKneega]

@@GcubePlayer8 until Cold War*

[@N_W677]

Bro you didn't just compare warzone to old cod games 🫣 warzone is a over competitive sweat fest battle royal is what has killed cod off you could've at least said black out at least there wasn't so many try hards on black out lots of people messing around funny moments in the game play

[@bwood282]

@@N_W677 I literally said the early days of warzone were like the old games, when people weren’t so sweaty and everyone was naive and didn’t follow the 1 meta gun in the game

[@sidzaman3009]

The graphics and audio have obviously improved since mw19 but the last 3 cods have not been enjoyable to play. I think the biggest issues are the increased sbmm and disbanding lobbies.

[@Verm-eh9xb]

cold war fun asf

[@musicmane4146]

Games that don’t have sbmm aren’t even that much more fun at all .. like at all

[@musicmane4146]

These games were fun it depends what you were doing tho

[@x0Icarus]

I wish they kept the lobbies together also. We'd get on and play all damn night people would come and go but there was always like 4-8 people that would stay and me n one other would fight for the top score 😭 shit doesn't happen like that anymore bruh it's sad.

[@Tissuestrash]

@@x0Icarus it still happens sometimes but it’s rare matching with the same people twice in a row three times is like lottery luck

[@bmoney_junior5581]

I was just thinking about this yesterday so I played some older Call of Duty's and I think my favorite part is the simplicity.

[@thegamerserpent4271]

God no. Literally the worst aspect

[@DustoVonSusto]

@@thegamerserpent4271 are you the kind of person to call slide canceling spam a skill gap?

[@Ccubed92]

@@DustoVonSusto I mean it is a skill gap

[@kenet362]

@@DustoVonSusto it quite literally is…..

[@aidan46294]

@@kenet362 how? destroying your joysticks to reach your destination 0.000000001 seconds faster isn’t really that worth it. Tac sprint needs to go

[@TreesOnTheMoon]

Here's something that might not be huge deal but something I find better in old COD games before selling skins/ micro transactions became a big thing. In multiplayer both teams used to look very different from each other which made them more recognizable and easier to detect, I remember in Black Ops 1 players even used too look different depending on what gun they used almost like classes so you easily knew what you were up against, I liked that. Also some of the historical settings looked more authentic which I liked, especially the older WW2 COD games. All armies looked like their real world counterpart. No weird character / weapon skins and no laser guns in WW2 like we get now. ( I realize most people probably don't care about this tho)

[@Majora1988]

It was actually what you picked as your blue perk that changed your character model. Ghost users would have a Ghillie suit, Flak Jacket would give you armor, Scavenger gave you a hat, and I don't remember what hardline and lightweight gave you, since everyone stopped using hardline after the first nerf to it, and no one used lightweight at all.

[@TreesOnTheMoon]

You're right I was thinking about the original MW2 (2009). In MW2 the character models changed depending on what your main weapons was. -The snipers had Ghillie suits. -LMG users were bigger and builkier. -Riotshield users had riotgear on. -AR, SMG, and Shotgun users had slight changes like different helmets and face masks. What's even more impressive is that they did this for every faction in MW2 multiplayer. Even some of the factions camouflage changed depending if it was a snow/desert/woodland map. MW3 did the same thing but it didn't have as many character variations as MW2 if I remember correctly.

[@Majora1988]

​@@TreesOnTheMoon Yep, I think in Cod4 you also got a ghillie suit when you ran a sniper on the SAS vs Spetnaz maps.

[@TreesOnTheMoon]

@@Majora1988 True, now that you mention it I think all the weapons changed the look of the character model in some way in that game too if I remember correctly. I remember SMG users having masks on in COD 4.

[@ClaimedEagle]

Right now I have two nukes on MW2 2022 and it was the best feeling I ever had in COD games. Dropping a nuke to casuals was fun, but dropping one to players that are as sweaty as you is priceless, I couldn't stop trash talking that moment when the lobby ended with my nuke

[@Will_Smiley]

10 years ago we were really living the good life, I miss the days of coming home after school and just open up black ops and all day long. This video brings me back to the old days of no worries and friends I thought were gonna last forever. Thank you for this video !

[@Lakerfanforlife]

That’s life

[@bieber_and_dolik]

That's called nostalgia.

[@GordonFreeman-n]

The issue is the gaming community and overall gaming industry that has changed, moreso than the games themselves

[@N7Null]

Industry yes but community no. There were still people uploading best class setups, line of sight videos, capture point videos, glitch videos etc. The MW2 OMA spam really took off because Wings uploaded a video requesting it to be patched to Machinima. Videos showing how to do the care package glitch, derail elevator, javelin glitch etc. The community has always been full of "tryhards" but you didn't notice it as much because they weren't being forced into your games. There was like a 85% chance any lobby you got into in BO1 was going to have a bunch of people running Ghost, Second Chance and a FAMAS or AK-74u with rapid fire. MW2 was filled with people just running SoH, Stopping Power and Ninja. This stuff didn't just happen by chance.

[@GordonFreeman-n]

@@N7Null I respect what you're saying. I think the industry and community go hand in hand though. There was always try hards, yes, but never to this level. Everyone and their mom is streaming and trying to make gaming more than a hobby, entering tournaments etc. (Even casual ones). So although I mostly agree with you, to say the community and it's goals haven't changed at all I don't think is entirely accurate. Just my opinion though. The Industry (and media) and where it is encourages the changes we see in the community.

[@Bestgameplayer10]

@@GordonFreeman-n Well, nowadays it’s much easier to do and understand. I wouldn’t say everyone now wants to do those things… they/we always have but now we have the knowledge to do so.

[@jamesnelson7416]

I feel like if they fix SBMM and added the old prestige systems back in and kept the way they do maps and guns being added it would be the best of both worlds

[@wakaflockaproject]

Agreed, seasons should just be in warzone

[@Vincent-zt1xt]

I agree. Clearly everyone enjoyed the games more before SBMM.

[@moderatelyecchi8720]

Remember when you were able to join a lobby and get to know some funny/chill people lol cod hasn’t been the same since removing that tbh. Part of the fun was the interaction in lobbies

[@Evanz111]

I really miss the old prestige system. Giving up everything and forcing yourself to use more limited loadouts again felt like a really fun refresh. Now it’s just a bunch of challenges you get which unlock some cosmetic player icons and banners that you’re never going to use.

[@JustCallMeD33]

Right. That g36c came in handy when you prestige and the ump

[@joshuaevans6065]

The games weren’t perfect especially by today’s standards but it was new and exciting. Also I feel that COD has gotten too complicated with the guns and balancing.

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

On one hand, I like the gunsmith especially when you kit a weapon into a whole new gun and balancing tradeoffs can be interesting. But the system feels overbloated with tons of filler attachments and optics. Pick 10 in Vanguard is nice but it kind of undercuts the whole purpose of having to be smart with your mod slot choices. I think MW got it right: 55 levels for primaries, 30 for secondaries but (in the case of Vanguard) you don't have to level up melees/launchers. I'd even be open to returning to Pick 5 with low level optics (like Reflex, Holo sights) being free, hell maybe go crazy by making it so you don't have to unlock weapon sights.

[@batman-qw1gf]

even tho the gunsmith is cool, i think it makes thing over complicated, i feel like they should do it how bo4 did it with attachments, each gun had a different playing style and with the attachments it makes the gun playing style more prevalent. like every gun felt different and u had to play different but now i can just make ever gun into my playing style

[@theclamhammer4447]

Over complicated weapons and attachments. WHY does everyone think every single weapon needs perfect balance?

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

​@@batman-qw1gf What bugs me more than anything else the feeling you have to level up the gunsmith to even make the gun viable in Core. That's why the modifcation editing in MWII looks good; being able to finetune a mod for certain benefits (like balancing a barrel for bullet velocity, at the cost of accuracy) could make the leveling progress feel more substantive at low levels.

[@beastmastreakaninjadar6941]

Unlike Ace, I don't have a problem with 10 attachments. It's not unrealistic. Guns do have many parts that can be changed out or modified, irl. What pisses me off is the sheer number of pointless optics. (and sometimes other attachments) And then also the order in which attachments of a type unlock, most especially with sights/optics. But it doesn't surprise me. It's all about player retention now. Though, at some point, all their player retention antics are going to cause player losses. And that's already happening.

[@Grassy20]

I used to love the feature where you could create your own "picture" (I don't remember what it was called) that would show up on your gun and shield. I used to spend hours making a really good Dexter from Dexter's Lab. It was always fun seeing Dexter in a kill cam on my gun. I do miss that simplicity.

[@14o1chan]

Custom emblem

[@NinjaPieceLOL]

People ruined it by making NSFW stuff.

[@Digger-Nick]

​@@NinjaPieceLOL The game is literally rated M with a disclaimer for "online experience may vary." Stop pandering to children and sjws

[@mcbonkytron8411]

My take on this argument is it’s a little bit of both. I feel like some people have forgotten some of the issues or shortcomings of older CoDs. I also feel like some people don’t realize the great additions or QoL improvements of newer CoDs.

[@Baytuh]

agreed

[@JDogg6905]

Same to a point. BO1 is second to only BO2 for me just because of nostalgia, but BO2 I genuinely think It is the best.

[@DeadSpacedOut]

I think the reason people don't understand the improvement of newer cods is because we have insane amounts of MTX, insane amounts of SBMM and terrible spawns and weapon balance and those things are so powerful that they just take away the impact that the great changes have, unfortunately...

[@TeamMutuallyAssuredDestruction]

I agree. For example, being able to edit your loadouts mid match is great

[@iiRolltide]

The thing is almost all the additions and Qol improvements just come with the fact that they are newer games and aren’t exclusive to cod, so I don’t give them credit for something you just expect in a game in the 2020s. Him giving newer code credit for stuff like dead zone settings just made me laugh because that’s been in games since at least 2015.

[@ChorfTV]

This is by far the best old cod vs new cod comparison I've ever seen. No whining, no rose tinted glasses, just pure, unadulterated facts. Opinions are stated clearly and both games are given their fair dues when warranted. Good job, Ace, you've brought something to this debate I didn't think was possible: Logic.

[@matt.108]

Old cods have a soul. You can tell it was made with passion. The new games are corporate garbage with an EOMM and SBMM system to just make the publisher money.

[@spudeeelad]

Unless I missed it, I am shocked that you didn’t mention Scorestreaks vs Killstreaks and the horrendous Cold War system of everyone gets everything regardless of deaths

[@danielj5136]

My hot take on old COD games has always been that one big reason why we love the older ones was that the opponents were much much easier. Most people didn't use headphones, twitch didn't exist, most people didn't take the time to learn the stuff on KZbin, fewer squads, no SBMM, and the games were more popular (meaning larger amounts of noobs) compared to now. In short was easier to kick ass without sweating and I think the enjoyable experience painted a happier memory of the games. I'm not saying that this is the main reason or only reason but I think it's an aspect that we typically don't consider.

[@xnelder6029]

While that is true, there are still a lot of people now who are purely casual. Reverse boost and you can tell that. Matchmaking is what separates us from that class of players and that was never the case in the old days. It’s sad but nowadays the better you do at the game, the less fun you end up having due to SBMM

[@twoapples]

It IS/WAS the main reason why these older games are considered better - every cod is a banger fun game without sbmm - that’s a fact

[@aidan46294]

@@twoapples I mean i have fun on cold war, i’d normally sweat my ass off then as soon as my sbmm kicks in i work on my launcher and M79/melee challenges and then after a bit of that once i get into normal lobbies again i go back to sweating. Tbh it’s not that bad until you actually finish the camo challenges and then there’s a problem.

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

This. I feel like once you get past 1-1.5 KD in vanguard, it's a damn sweat fest.

[@Adrian-wd4rn]

@@aidan46294 True, once my games get too damn sweaty, I just switch to a knife and run around and poke people (in vanguard), 1.5 kd + lobbies are too damn sweaty.

[@UnatMar]

Black Ops 2 will forever be my favorite game of all time because of the time of life it is a part of on top of being my favorite multiplayer game of all time

[@aheartonfire7191]

Too bad it’s filled with hackers

[@thomasowens4844]

@@aheartonfire7191 plutonium isn't. But that's only on pc

[@UnatMar]

@@aheartonfire7191 Im lucky to be able to play on PC mostly but console is bad it sucks cause it's an easy fix too

[@bladeclanhalo3]

well it is the most accessible call of duty

[@dangerzone3470]

One thing that I would add that plays into all of this is the evolution of the player. How people played then vs how they play now. Obviously every title there was different movement mechanics. But one thing is for sure, we’ve all gotten better over years and years playing the game. I know this gets compounded into SBMM now a days but it should be noted. Something else that I think plays in is our age, but idk exactly how to quantify that.

[@fvnoah]

I agree. Getting 50+ kills for me on Cold War was nothing like getting 50+ kills in bo1. I don’t think that’s a big enough factor to warrant these newer lackluster games though

[@bpaw_6297]

Old Cod all day. Playing since CoD4 MW. Dead silence PERK, mini map ping when firing unsuppressed, no SBMM, and no lobby abandonment after every round. The brokenness of those games were fun to: light-weight ninja care package knife glitch, quick-scoping clips, akimbo model 1887, noob tubes. Before split screen, you had to alternate who played so 1 man on game and 1 man on mic. Loads of hilarious open mic conversations and an easy way to crush a 30 rack.

[@mlaird1986]

The nostalgia is there because older titles were better. Maps were better, connection was prioritized, and most importantly developers listened to the fans. They have destroyed the social aspect of the game with sbmm, lobby splitting, and removal of scoreboards. I remember playing BO3 and running into some of my favorite youtubers at the time. The majority of my friends on console are from previous cod games. Making friends on COD is a thing of the past because of the disbanding of lobbies.

[@Skrenja]

They listened to fans? Pfft. They _never_ have.

[@mlaird1986]

@@Skrenja They used to. Back in the day games couldn’t be modified on the spot as they can be today. For example many complaints with Black Ops 1 were fixed in Black Ops 2. Things such as Ghost being fixed to only hide you on the map while moving and getting rid of 2nd chance. These newer titles such as MW 2022 are bringing back the problems that were fixed many years ago. It’s like the devs have never played COD before.

[@Moooniemoon]

SBMM should be adjusted but it removes pub stomping. Maps were decent but no lol newer cods have more balanced maps they're just boring because there's no funny exploits. Connection especially MW Mw2 BO1 AND Bo2 was shitty host reliant systems . This is Def nastolgia talking

[@Moooniemoon]

@@Ash12428 yeah pub stomping is pretty bad that's just baby feeding yourself easy kills because you can't compete with your true skill equivalent players. The game is more balanced for everyone's experience getting paired up with your skill base is healthy for matches. That being said to appease all players we should have Un ranked and ranked playlists where the only difference is skill based match making is either turned on or off

[@KiLLaBushWooKiE]

I find it unbelievable and unacceptable when over decade ago games on old old gen have basic features that new ones don't. I feel sorry for anyone that didn't experience CoD 4 - BO2 era. They had problems but they felt like were made with passion, complete at launch, worth it's purchase, fun factor and not felt manipulated with matchmaking. Now it's money making, extortion & scamming. 💯

[@WinstonWolfe21]

Maps weren’t free back then. today they are that’s way better than that antiquated season pass model but I would probably still agree with u if they still pay walled guns which now they really don’t unless u don’t have time to play the game enough to unlock them

[@R9014-b1v]

But we have enough maps and we don't need to wait until 4 months so the game will be normal

[@mikep1212]

Agree 100%. I miss older call of duty so much.

[@TheFawse]

For me it’s just that I prefer how the old ones feel to play. Nothing wrong with the new ones, and if anyone prefers them that’s amazing, they’re just not for me. Everything from how the guns felt, the movement, the mini map, etc

[@itz_x_salvation395]

Mw2 was just pure epic fun. Addicting as hell and just flowed so well. I played search and destroy 16 hours a day for nearly an entire summer. (Miss being a kid)

[@b__w_4565]

fr bro lol i was in like 6th or 7th grade when mw2 came out. good times.

[@handsomegeorgianbankrobber3779]

Older games had more content at launch but the product you got in early November would remain unchanged (except if you bought the map packs, which not a lot of people did, but even then there were no new perks, killstreaks, camos etc.). Nowadays were used to constantly getting new stuff, we always need something new and exciting to keep being interested, its generally how the world has changed.

[@87donofrio]

Internet was different in 2007-2012

[@theclamhammer4447]

That doesn’t benefit players. It benefits developers and enable them to launch a trash product and worry about fixing it later.

[@tezohonline]

I’d happily go back to the old system played cod 4 loads and nothing stopped me going back

[@gamingcentral562]

I think they need to keep adding perks and killstreaks to keep the game interesting because they are releasing less maps and the games are not as fun.

[@seannapier2298]

Yeah. It’s changed in that we have a low attention span and are lazy.

[@gcw2830]

I miss being able to see who was in a party. I hate playing against large parties and clans. Communication can make a huge difference. I also agree that the game has lost focus, to its detriment. They keep adding new modes without taking out old ones, and you can see quality falling off as they do so.

[@porkchopproductions0314]

As a COD fan ever since Call of Duty Finest Hour, the older games have an appeal not just from the craftsmanship but also that each one was individually unique or built up what came before it

[@ArgelisXavier]

The sniper getting you with the barret .50 at the end! Awesome closing lol!

[@Vardagsnack]

I remember when my dad gave me my first Xbox 360 and a brand new mordern warfare 2007. I only played half of the campaign because of my age “I was nine years old at then ” i was more used to gta and saints row. But i remember it like yesterday my older cousins came over to check the game and everyone was in shock because of the graphical change from old gen to new gen. The details in cod 4 then was ground breaking. Since then i became a hardcore cod gamer to cos ghosts and after that i left the gaming world because i took some wrong paths in life. And because I don’t like the new cods they dont give me that old feel I’m searching after. But I’m grateful and happy for the old cods it truly was the best and funniest times of my life.

[@Briggsian]

If MW2019 had had the same SBMM system as the old games, the general sentiment towards it would've been significantly more positive. In my experience, MW2 actually had more camping given that all that was needed in a lot of cases to get a nuke and end the game was to hold down one position until you got a Harrier. MW2 gets a lot of praise, yet was demonstrably broken in many ways and was never fixed due to the dispute between the heads of IW and Activision that led to a mass exodus of the company.

[@Mizaruu]

Lol no even if mw2019 had no sbmm it would still be the worst cod to date

[@godfather53]

@@Mizaruu Facts

[@godfather53]

This only shows you didn't touch the glory days cods. Sbmm in mw2019 is higher than the Cod4-Bo2 era by many many miles

[@Briggsian]

@@godfather53 I've played the games all the way from CoD1 through to BO2 before I started taking breaks; COD4 being the first game I played hundreds of hours of online multiplayer. SBMM has been a thing for years, as the developers that worked on the games have said. What changed with MW2019 was the implementation of engagement-based matchmaking, which purposely puts you into lobbies above your skill level and below your skill level to feed you hard matches and easy wins. The idea was to guarantee that players experience challenge and reward to keep them playing longer, but they pushed it too far. If CoD actually had zero SBMM, the player base would fall off a hard as nearly every lobby would be an unbalanced mess as team balancing wouldn't even be a thing.

[@godfather53]

@@Briggsian No, the sbmm in the new era is miles harder, this is a fact. Teambase matchmaking has been a thing for many years and got stronger in Bo3 and forward. Aw was the first cod I experienced sbmm, but still not even close to the new cods. Mw2019 sbmm was the opposite, it was the you basically play against 6 people with the same style, aim, movement, guns etc as yourself. When you change weapon for a couple of games, the next games will be oponents with the same weapon. If you got a few kills the sbmm algorithm nerfs your aim assist, if you die 3 times in a row your aim assist gets buffed if a player is skilled, he should be rewarded. If a player is garbage, he should be punished. It's simple fair logic

[@TheeAaron]

The Maps were 1000% better in older COD’s. MW19 set the franchise back a half decade. It also trained and encouraged the entire player base to become campers.

[@Neglected-Nostalgia]

Thank you. I'm so sick of the MW19 praise

[@aqua6166]

I didn't encourage me to camp. I just kept rushing but thought about it and not blindly like some people and then complain oh no campers boo hoo. just be smart about how you rush and they're not a problem

[@TheeAaron]

@@aqua6166 Did I say someone couldn’t rush? Did I say everyone had to camp? If you don’t think that MW19 increased the number of campers due to terrible map design, no dead silence, no mini map, horrific short range gun balance, and poor visibility then you probably voted for Biden.

[@aqua6166]

@@TheeAaron you did say everyone had to camp since it "encouraged" everyone to camp. also there is dead silence is a field upgrade and there is a mini map and the short range guns you can use shotguns or smgs or even the socom m4 which will melt up close. you don't sound like you even played the game that much if youre saying shit like that, and to try to insult me for voting for biden which i didn't and why even bring that in here? it just sounds like you can't even come up with anything actually true to counter what i said.

[@TheeAaron]

@@aqua6166 You again don’t know how to read. Encouraged does not mean Necessary nor does it mean you have to in order to play the game. And no there was not a regular mini map and no there was not a dead silence perk. Sounds like it is you whom didn’t play the game. The Devs themselves stated the made the game with “safe spaces” for noobs

[@Dadcarots76]

Great vid Ace. For me it's never been about how "good" the game is. It's always about how much FUN I have playing it and I just had more fun with older games.

[@iLLWiLLx21]

Isn’t it good if it’s fun?

[@bbuny10]

Never seen your channel before, great video. I really agreed with all of your points, and I loved that I heard some I don’t normally hear like the cross play and the leaderboards

[@habijjj]

If you brought back the old prestige it would be hell having to unlock all of your attachments again. Weapon prestige is fine because at least that's optional.

[@DeadSpacedOut]

I wholeheartedly agree and have said this since MW 2019's Launch, the Gunsmith System just takes away the uniqueness of a Weapon and makes it so any Weapon can become any other Weapon. I miss when the Vector from Bo2 had harder to control recoil and how now if we got a Vector, it would be able to have almost no recoil with the right attachment setup.

[@lucatocci4443]

how could a kriss vector have recoil lol

[@HayateAzekura]

Fuck no I don't want no gun customization. Look at BF2042. It got worse from BF4.

[@DeadSpacedOut]

@@lucatocci4443 Someone hasn't played Black Ops 2...

[@DeadSpacedOut]

@@HayateAzekura Exactly, BF4 was such a goddamn good game and they tried to do a MW 2019 and look where that got 'em... just have attachments that strengthen what the weapon is already good at or have the same attachments for the most part for every weapon and stop having 40 things that decrease recoil! lol

[@DeadSpacedOut]

@@Marky-Mark1337 I mean i don't choose to do it but yeah, i know. That's another thing, prior to MW 2019, people didn't chase meta NEARLY as hard as they do now, or sweat as much and I generally prefer not to use the Meta, though i do sometimes, but usually only if i happen to like the gun anyways. For example in Cold War i used the Groza or the AK-74u a lot, now i've seen debate on whether it's OP or not, but the general consensus seems to be that it is, but in MW 2019, i used the ODEN and Scar-H a lot. The Groza and ODEN are both good, though not OP by most accounts anyways and CW in general, has much better balancing, though it's still not great, and the Scar-H from MW 2019 is considered by many to be the WORST weapon in the game, sooo... I just use what's fun or looks kool, that's what's enjoyable to me and i also generally use all the weapons and max most or all of them out because that's a lot more fun than meta chasing imo lol.

[@TheDS1418]

I agree with literally every single point you made. I can clearly see that you truly understand what made Call of Duty so much fun back in the day. What Call of Duty is supposed to be at its core. Honestly, why you're not hired by Activision or some other game development studio is beyond me.

[@LegitMLG360noscoper]

He would probably rather not work for Satan

[@Ccubed92]

To work for game companies you need degrees and school hours most people yal say should work for such companies don't have the resume to apply

[@imadecoy.]

@@Ccubed92 Keep thinking that. Work experience in the field is worth more than some BS degree.

[@Artobacco]

Older cod will always be better in my opinion, I still play the older ones regularly and I’m thinking about picking up the OG modern warfare. I have bo1 bo2 waw and mw2 and they’re all great. This is also just a personal experience but I’ve only met 2 hackers in the older games excluding bo2 because that’s like every game. In bo1 I got 1 and in waw der Riese zombies I got another which he gave us all points. The cod games back then were finished products and were worth $60. The map packs were actually worth $15 because you got 3 great multiplayer maps and a zombies map

[@Cthulhu897]

9:54 bro... I really felt that, I remember 14 years ago... having supper long sessions making great friends that to this day are my very best friends, all coming from thash talking in a fun lobby... Boy I feel that this killed my love for call of duty

[@MrCryptii]

Anyone else remember in Black Ops 3 they had a custom emblem maker for the gun, that was kind of badass as far as customization went. Also the leveling up of operators to unlock mastery gear for those operators was so fuckin cool. No longer is seeing badass characters, now its bland footsoldiers or a generic white and black CDL operator.

[@goldchainrosary2258]

Best thing I love about newer COD's is cross-progression. All COD's Since MW19 allows me to load up on my PC or my XSX with the same profile, same dlc, etc. Hands down best new feature, just wish they had it for Blops4 😢

[@dnatix9306]

Additional points what older cods did better imo: -Class system (pick 10) which forces players to make trade-offs -Emblem editor -2 dollar camos that are available vor EVERY gun -Content during the games lifecycle (dlcs with 4 maps each) -Generall activity of developers (bugfixes, community feedback…)

[@knutpalmqvist]

I liked that all players looked like soldiers. No silly skins

[@ezmarigianfrancesco5466]

I miss when they meant something

[@dnatix9306]

@@knutpalmqvist I agree

[@thegamerserpent4271]

Ewww

[@king_aceshot8018]

Ima go ahead and add theater mode to that list 👍🏼

[@airke]

I agree 100% with you. I remember when MW3 was announced, a lot of people saying that it looked the same as MW2. Little did they know that back in those days the new CoD had a lot of differences from the older one. Nowadays feels like is the same game, the menu looks the same, the guns are all the same, most maps are boring, sbmm and all the lobby issues. About gunsmith too, in the surface looks like the greatest thing (maybe it is), but when playing is so boring. All guns feel the same, if your smg sucks from a distance, just transform it in an assault rifle, if your AR sucks when you're close, just transform it in a smg. The content is just too much as well, they just throw content at you but they have no quality, they are all numbers just to say it happened. Unfortunely I have no more hopes for new cods, the way they were is never coming back, is never going to be simple as it was back then, but the way it is today is just boring and not fun

[@fuzzleworth1255]

I can't speak for the old cods because I was a halo player but as on the gunsmith in current cods. I totally agree, I didn't like the ADS speed on the M4 in MW19 so I turned it into an smg. But after playing the beta in the new MW2, if you wanted an smg M4, you just choose the hurricane or whatever it's called. It's kinda the same gun but with all the downsides of an smg. I was consistently losing ranged gunfights but dominating closer range. IDK if it'll be the same as old cod's but it sounds like its a step in the right direction.

[@airke]

@@fuzzleworth1255 maybe but idk. I played some of the beta, not enough, specially cause it was impossible to understand the menu. I still think gunsmith is a bad thing dressed as something genius

[@bobsaget832]

I’ll never forget going to my cousins for thanksgiving in 05 and he had a brand new Xbox 360 with COD 2. Those games online were some of the funnest, most enjoyable times in online gaming I’ve ever had. Maybe it’s nostalgia, but those will always be the best days for online gaming for me.

[@Caliburnz]

Nostalgia has a role because games like mw2 were crazy broken and it was still played and loved but other games had a great design and felt like it had care put into it without them lacking content as well as the microtransaction systems and sbmm

[@hunterdoesstuff3747]

Map Packs and broken DLC guns?!?!?!?

[@Caliburnz]

@@hunterdoesstuff3747 my I’d rather buy dlc because now free dlc is drip fed and games release unfinished

[@daveisabeastly2024]

@@Caliburnz only bad stuff about DLC was it split up the player base

[@Matman651]

Nothing to do with nostalgia hod back and play it it actually is still so fun

[@Digger-Nick]

​@@hunterdoesstuff3747 You've clearly never played the older games lmao

[@seanloranto2130]

My takeaway from this video was essentially “I can live without the things newer cods do better, I can’t live without the things older cods did so well” all the positives you listed for newer cods are just things I don’t care about other than free new weapons. Everything else I could live without just fine but the things they’ve taken away from old games that made them succeed is the reason I don’t enjoy modern cod games

[@Ecliptor.]

Pretty much yeah. The strongest point is free dlc, and even then, not many people bought the dlc maps to begin with, so the non-dlc playlists had the most people to play with.

[@DogCheese420]

CoD had been declining for years, but for me really lost my interest with MW2019. These new games don’t even feel like call of duty games anymore. It feels like a weird mix of battlefield and other popular shooters .

[@EerjkMcRae]

I think the way the maps are designed and feel are a little bit more battlefield like. I don't mind the busting through doors or occasional breakable objects but the 3dimensional map design that focuses on realism over the feeling of Call of Duty fluency is what separates the old from the new I think.

[@omegletrolling1678]

@@EerjkMcRae cod became way too fast pace and complicated. You should try playing bo2 again for an minute and you will instantly see why cod is doing so bad

[@EerjkMcRae]

@@omegletrolling1678 now I'm fantasizing about BO2. That game balanced every aspect of cod so well.

[@zacharygay7598]

Absolutely agree, player experience and simplistic is what I want in a COD, if I wanted overcomplicated weapons and difficult to use menus I’d play battlefield…

[@Techademics]

Been playing a lot fo MW2 recently and I've had way more fun going for prestige on that game than I have for the past 3/4 years on newer titles.

[@Rev8691]

One thing I appreciate about Ace is he’s an old school COD head who always remains rational

[@LukA_Utoka]

Rational yeah 😂

[@maxgern9186]

I could play the old COD's with my friend's and have fun together Now i cant because of the strict SBMM so guess which ones are better :)

[@Nazrat84]

Black Ops 3 completely changed CoD because it introduced something that fuels all of Activision's MTX schemes; FOMO. Fear of missing out. The idea of turning the game into a second job to "earn" stuff, getting people to play with others with the weapon bribe victories and having items that may never appear again earned them a LOT of money, and also, caused a lot of stress. It also had an aggressive SBMM that people forget about since it's been so long.

[@GrimCitizenIII]

The FOMO, pay to win micro transaction, etc. all started with AW. The series hasn’t been the same since.

[@dynamicflashy]

All that started with Advanced Warfare, not Black Ops 3.

[@itsWAHOO2012]

That was AW, along with other games at the time getting into it. I don’t think bo3 had it that badly. Most of the actual good stuff you had to pay/gamble for came fairly late into the life cycle of bo3. That game did way more good than bad

[@Buggsiess]

It all comes down to one thing… MONEY. Older games only made money if their gameplay was fun/addicting. Now companies make more money by implementing good (not amazing) gameplay and addictive features like battle passes, new skins, and pay to win mechanics like weapon blueprints. It’s always been fueled by money

[@TheEclecticBeard]

Take out SBMM and up the ttk a bit and MW2 would feel the most like an older COD imo. The SBMM has taken out some of the craziness from older lobbies. In the more recent, the speed seemed to be turbo boosted faster than older CODs. MW2 feels a click slower in pacing but with the removal of slide cancelling, if they did away with SBMM it would feel much more like older CODs. I don't hate SBMM but it can make the game more tedious than it's worth at times. I think nostalgia is almost as strong of a drug as an actual one because everyone only remembers the good stuff while forgetting the stuff that was bitched about for the respective games.

[@victordance6510]

The older titles were more consistent, but the current titles get too much hate. WW2 for instance was a fantastic game that gets judged harshly because it had a bad launch. Vanguard isn't perfect but it gets too much hate too, just like black ops 4 before it.

[@dhsjakacjenal]

Ww2 is bad because it’s corny. Waw actually had a dark creepy vibe like ww2 games should where as ww2 was the most upbeat game acting like world war 2 is some some walk in the park. They also only included 2 factions, less than any other ww2 based cod had before, and the guns in the game didn’t even match the factions. The maps also were terrible. Shit game. And vanguard is one of the worst video games ever made and easily the worst cod ever made. It’s a cheap rip off of the past 2 cods and doesn’t bother painting a realistic picture of ww2 at all. My team vs enemy team? Really? I remember the days when cod actually had factions with cool announcers.

[@dhsjakacjenal]

@Moot waw is a 14 year old game and still has the best maps in the franchise. Sledgehammer hasn’t made a single good map in their entire time developing call of duty’s

[@dhsjakacjenal]

@Moot you must like pistol grips 💀

[@dhsjakacjenal]

@Moot waw is 9 years older and yet, still fits a better ww2 vibe than cod ww2 does and is a significantly better product of its time. It literally released with 6 more maps than ww2 too lmfao and you can’t debate the maps aren’t the best. Now it’s all the same 3 lane map rehashed over and over into different skins

[@weirdeurasianboy8091]

Nope, BO4 was straight up trash. The supply drops before the overhaul, the wonky hit detection, the insufferable obnoxious fanbase and the specialists made it awful

[@ThorKill.Beowulvf]

I've been playing Call of Duty since 03 and the medal of honours before that so I think I can say on behalf of the entire OG cod player base it's not nostalgia the games were just simply better

[@b__w_4565]

@@KevinoftheCosmos exactly. i base better on how revolutionary certain game generations were. think back to ps2 and ps3 era......the games, exclusives we just next level. werent just a bunch of remakes and the creativity was on another level. the ps4 xbox 1 gen.......was pretty lame esp with FPS games like cod and battlefield.

[@b__w_4565]

@@KevinoftheCosmos there's a reason people remember those old campaigns, those old beach storming missions on medal of honor. ya the graphics sucked compared to now, but the games had better stories. price for example is a legend as is master cheif.....what legend came from ps4 era? lol

[@oven3515]

I found alot of enjoyment in every Cod before mw19 minus ghosts. Graphics and audio fidelity do not matter when gameplay is trash. More settings are good though. I miss when the games had cool grinds, challenges that made sense.

[@gelatopapi85]

Same...played ghosts once at a friend's home... and this is the only one I've skipped

[@akaChriss4L]

I’ve played Cod since CoD2 and older were easily better. No loot boxes, all maps were high quality and no recycle other that one here or there. Every gun felt unique. No unrealistic skins. And proper immersion. No cheaters back then.

[@LateNightHalo]

They were legitimately better. Simpler mechanics means more focused gameplay AND more accessible gameplay. More room for a casual experience AND competitive experience. It also helps that maps were more creative. After BO2, Treyarch spearheaded this aggressive “every map feels the same” 3 lane map design. There’s no experimental, interesting or complex maps anymore.

[@purebaldness]

Older cods were full of problems such as host advantage, prevalence of exceedingly annoying perks and often questionable weapon balance. They're also nostalgia bait for the lack of _strict_ SBMM (apart from the first 2 weeks into BO2's launch), a lack of eSports influence (for better or worse) and easy sound whoring (headphone usage wasn't the standard). But modern CoD's needlessly disbanding lobbies, dubious matchmaking and grind-heavy progression had me quit the franchise after playing throughout each year since 2006 with CoD3.

[@DeadSpacedOut]

i think your nostalgia bait bit might actually be onto something... we might FEEL like newer cod is worse than it really is because we're forced to endure such a shitty and manipulative matchmaking system and were it not for that, we might actually think newer cod isn't so bad.

[@seannapier2298]

You know what else older Cods didn’t have? A MVP VOTE SCREEN! OH YEAH!

[@alanacevedo4928]

Since the MW3 days, MW2019 was the first time that I felt the rush to play. That itch that kept you hooked, it wasn’t perfect but I loved it. Looking forward to MW2

[@thesharinganknight]

Not Bo3?

[@chriswilkinson8396]

@@thesharinganknight stupid jumping bs. Abilities like destiny lol

[@libertybattalion9069]

@@chriswilkinson8396 I would rather have a space game

[@Digger-Nick]

​@@chriswilkinson8396 Mw19 and this new one is non stop "jumping bs", so what the hell are you on about...

[@chriswilkinson8396]

@@Digger-Nick not jet packs though dafty

[@garrisonhoffbeck1968]

You hit every nail on the head. Great work. Subscribing.

[@GepardoS666]

Amen. Couldn't find a point where I wouldn't agree. Personally I think I miss mostly consistent lobbies and simplicity of older CoD games. I'm 30 now and I still wish for it to come back one day, but I'm afraid that's not possible :/

[@hacimdoowlla2730]

I'm 25 and I've enjoyed both from old and new wave. Objectively old is better because of the fundamentals. If the newer cods just stuck to the freakin fundamentals while adding those quality of life changes, You have the perfect mix

[@stevio2175]

“Simple is better” I’ve said this for years. They’ve wanted to add more customization which of course is good, but there is a point when things get to be too much. The casual feel is gone. No longer can you just load up and play, you have to check 100 attachments and still not know if you have the best setup, for example. I think biggest thing for me is flow and maps just aren’t like the classics. Also, community influence is such a big part of games nowadays. Back when MW2 came out, the developers knew what they were doing and didn’t need so much feedback. Things will never be the same. All changed starting with Advanced Warfare and the Xbox One. Xbox 360 era really was the glory days..

[@SUDAGANGTV]

Now imagine if they merged all the best qualities of the old cods and all the best qualities of the new cods together. 🤔😳

[@RamboUnchained]

And didn’t make it a mobile P2W

[@SUDAGANGTV]

@@RamboUnchained It’s sad how Cod M when it first launched was the best COD at the time. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@capolean2902]

theres modded clients like iw4x

[@RafaelLopez-444]

@@RamboUnchained Bruh It ain't pay to win.

[@aiminqq]

@@RafaelLopez-444 i know this is a month late but when you can buy a rose like skin, its pay to win

[@rubeng370]

I mean in the old games you can play with the same team mates or enemy if no one left to still play with them next match, rather than playing will all new people every match. You don't get to make friends or fun memories like that. You can't map vote, there's no player count to let us know how many are playing in this game mode to not sit there for 5 minutes waiting if anyone can play search and destroy or kill confirmed in an old CoD. Everything BO2 did from the multiple endings of campaign, badass dlc camos that I miss paying just $2, rather than $20 for a lot of useless things you don't want, and not taking forever to level up your gun to 17 than 70 was great with the gold camo challenges

[@kyle0477]

I'm thinking this was my final cod at least the last one I buy at launch for full price. I remember playing cod 4 on the Xbox 360 and having so much fun with friends over the years. Now it feels like the last few code haven't brought the same joy and I'm just buying them because of the nostalgia

[@craigowen2086]

Exactly in the same boat :( I’m chasing that old feeling but I think it’s all in vain.

[@BlackTearsYT]

Yeah I talked about some of the same stuff in my Modern Warfare: Remastered H1 Mod video. Part of what makes those older games feel good is that they're not bogged down by so much complexity. The gunsmith has become an overly complex mess with a ton of filler, the movement system has gotten a little over the top, field upgrades feel out of place, too many kill streaks, maps are over engineered, etc. Going back and playing MWR feels like a breath of fresh air. Fewer mechanics and simpler design, but everything has more care and focus and feels more meaningful.

[@thegamerserpent4271]

What is wrong with you. The complexity is like the best part. I seriously hope you never have influence in game development

[@BlackTearsYT]

@@thegamerserpent4271 You're a dork lol

[@dark_matter8420]

The calling cards and emblem situation is utterly disastrous. Every. Single. One. Of the calling cards in Vanguard and MW19 were hot trash.

[@Yosh4761]

Quite the generalization. I have a few different calling cards in vanguard that I really like. I can’t remember mw19’s calling cards because it was a long time ago but I don’t remember them being bad either.

[@jeremiahtaylor1817]

@@Yosh4761 they are piss poor in comparison to Cold War and previous CoDs, some of the worst in cold war would be some of the best in MW is you copy and pasted. Every treyarch game from Bo2 to Cold War always had fire calling cards. The Cold War emblems and emblem editor blow MW and Vanguard out of the water. This isn’t a subjective argument.

[@aqua6166]

@@jeremiahtaylor1817 it is a subjective argument and you sound like treyarch fanboy too. not act like it's objective when it's not.

[@brizzle711]

Lmao

[@Yosh4761]

@@jeremiahtaylor1817 I mean I agree that cold war’s are better, but that doesn’t mean mw’s and vanguard’s are terrible.

[@dreloo1084]

I was playing black ops 1 yesterday I had the time of my life!! The old cods are the best BO1 & 2 MW2 & 3

[@pp3k3jamail]

He forgot to mention to kill streaks in the older Call of duty's were way better. Look at the killstreaks from cods 4 MW2, World at War, Black ops 1, Black ops 2, MW3 they were way better. The developers purposely made the killstreaks in Vanguard, Cold War, MW 2019, World War II they purposely made them trash because they didn't want people dominating the lobby with powerful kill streaks. Forgot to mention the campaigns the campaigns on the older cods were way better more immersive more action-packed and better story than the campaigns of Vanguard, Cold War, MW 2019 in World War II. He forgot the campaigns in the older cods, people were heavenly invested in the campaigns on cod 4, MW2, Black ops 1 and black ops 2, world at war, MW3 were awesome.

[@8Trails50]

Im 27 years old. My first cod was mw2 on the 360 but I had pretty shit internet so the game wasn’t enjoyable, or any friends to play online with. I played it for the campaign mostly and took a 8 year break from call of duty. I then tried warzone br, and call of duty ww2. I was hooked. I was a lot older, had more focused game set up and was having fun on the game with friends. I very much regret that I missed the golden years of cod.

[@charlesburns7391]

New cod makes you grind for rainbow weapons skins Old cod makes you grind for a better weapon

[@CHSlacrosse30]

I think what made the older call of duty games better was the movement speed. Now on call of duty you can sprint around like the Flash and be in an enemy spawn in 2.5 seconds. Back in the day you had to work your way to the spawn and could just dash around like a cat on speed.