Is POY Controversy Brewing After Seiver's Third Bracelet Win? | PokerNews Podcast

On episode #843 of the PokerNews Podcast, Chad Holloway is joined by Joey Ingram and Kyna England! The group discusses the close Player of the Year race between Scott Seiver and Jeremy Ausmus, Daniel Negreanu's seventh bracelet, and everything else happening at the 2024 WSOP.
00:00 - Start of podcast
00:10 - Sponsor: GTO Wizard
00:20 - Joey Ingram in the house
00:48 - Scott Seiver captures 3rd gold bracelet in the 2024 WSOP
03:20 - Should Jeremy Ausmus win POY without winning a bracelet when Seiver has won three?
06:20 - Players who’ve won three bracelets in a single WSOP in Las Vegas
08:00 - Nick Schulman vs. Scott Seiver for Poker Hall of Fame
12:03 - Daniel Negreanu wins bracelet No. 7
15:45 - Winner interview with Scott Seiver
18:05 - Global Poker Party at PokerGO Studio
19:55 - Chad’s bustout hand
20:16 - Kyle Anderson’s bustout hand
22:01 - Dave “todaysfreak” Haines from Utah won PN GC event while at the studio
23:56 - Celebrating Dave “todaysfreak” Haines at the party
25:25 - Joey Ingram talks about partnership with GTO Wizard
33:15 - PokerNews is working with GTO Wizard!
35:51 - Hector Berry wins Event #62: $600 PokerNews Deepstack Championship for $282,876
37:25 - Video highlights from the PokerNews Deepstack Championship
43:50 - Mark Checkwicz wins $5,000 Seniors High Roller for $573,876
44:29 - Fun final hand in the Seniors High Roller
49:20 - Elie Nakache takes down $10K PLO Championship for $1,320,945
50:37 - Ben Collins wins Event #67: $500 Salute to Warriors for $207,486
51:00 - Colin Robinson victorious in Event #68: $2,500 NLH for $667,963
51:35 - Nikolay Fal battles to bracelet in Event #69: Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo for $153,730
53:02 - Tyler Todt latest guest on Life Outside Poker Podcast
57:00 - $25K Fantasy update
58:10 - Phil Ivey having a good summer
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[@joeingram1]

Thanks alot for having me on Chad and Kyna - always great talking poker!

[@DrSnowBrainHealth]

Great video…love hearing these stories as this was happening all around me..

[@charleylavin]

I'd like to see a No Limit Holdem award, a mixed game award, and an overall award.

[@headlesspokerllc.3323]

I like that idea

[@OMGs-Life]

and a plo award for sure :)

[@garrickmusic]

One Hall of Fame inducted poker player per year is ridiculous when there are 10's of thousands playing in WSOP tourneys alone. Should be two minimum for sure. Baseball has an average of 3 inductees per year and less than 2000 players play in the MLB each year.

[@karlmuckit2968]

Kind of a Country Club

[@bipolarpunt5721]

the POY rules are set, if you dont like them, give it to the player that wins the most bracelets and have a tie breaker.

[@andycayton3433]

They need to award the points for the given event, but then just give a bonus to the winner just for being the winner. Or just add the stipulation that in order to be eligible for POY, you have to win at least one bracelet

[@kevinolsta9955]

I wear my sunglasses at night so i can keep track of the visions in my eyes

[@connorrichards2625]

Good stuff!

[@ASG-nm4cz]

They should take out the high rollers or make them worth much less POY points than they do now. Huni shouldn't be at the top of the leaderboard just because he FTed 2 high rollers. It should be more about how large the fields are than how much money the prizepool is.

[@elasticharmony]

That would not be skill

[@vincentdimaya4344]

They should adopt a Tour De France style award system, where they have jackets for overall race winners, best climbers, etc. there should be a best finishes/most wins trophy (must win one bracelet min), most gross cashes (must cash X amount of events or exclude certain high rollers/main event), and best overall (committee decided or by TBD metrics)

[@josephmcbrien7646]

Let's go Papi!!!!

[@joeingram1]

tyty

[@pete_robo]

🔥🔥🔥

[@slotcouple9330]

They should do player of the year and also have most valuable player of the series. Some years both would go to the same player if they set themselves that far away from the field

[@kevinolsta9955]

does the player of the year get something other than bragging rights?

[@JDLupus]

I personally don't think that the Player of the Year formula is _explicitly_ unbalanced with regards to buy-in vs field size; its biggest problem is how flat it is. While 1st place always gets double points compared to 2nd place, the rest of a final table reduces at a miniscule rate. A 5k buy-in with 500 entries looks like this: Position Points % of 1st place 1st 1110 100.00% 2nd 555 50.00% 3rd 499 44.95% 4th 444 40.00% 5th 416 37.48% 6th 388 34.95% 7th 333 30.00% 8th 305 27.48% 9th 277 24.95% This is the hidden reason for why smaller field sizes are biased: It's easier to reach an final relative to winning the bracelet itself, for which the points you receive are still substantial. Just reducing total points based on field size won't fix the issue; what's needed is a sharper fall in points at the final table.

[@ralphkotwica6184]

Papi gotta hide them eyes... too many recreational gum gums 😂

[@paulbrix3713]

When we talk Poker Hall of Fame, why isn’t Papi‘s name on the list. No one has done more in the poker content game than him.

[@garrickmusic]

What's with the sunglasses? Were they both up all night cuddling? ;)

[@300baud]

They both have thyroid eye disease

[@joeingram1]

welcome to vegas

[@OMGs-Life]

they are on mdma xD

[@kevinolsta9955]

Just do it like the baseball hall of fame. A panel of voters vote yes/no on everyone who is nominated. Anyone who receives at least 75% yes vote gets inducted.

[@dang2055]

The rules are the points. If you just give the guy player of the year because he won 3 events then what do you do next year when 2 people win 2. It just becomes a popularity contest at that point and Negreanu then wins every year. Points are there for a reason as she said. Fix it next year if you want to put more weight on a bracelet. 500 bonus points or something. That being said it would be wrong if he didn’t win but rules are rules.

[@ASG-nm4cz]

May be make the points a tie breaker for if multiple people win the same amount of bracelets. Also make FTs of small events worth less (or nothing special).

[@tylerminear7949]

No sane person is gonna say someone that won no bracelets was better that year than a guy that did. 3 is so unbelievably hard to do in a year.

[@geoffedward4702]

If bracelets were all that mattered then hellmuth is the goat end of discussion

[@tylerminear7949]

@@geoffedward4702 not even a comparable argument here when your talking about an whole career. We are talking about a single season and winning 3 in 1 series is absolutely better than not winning any.

[@goombas3040]

What a sad day when bum hunting in holdem is so good that it pulls the biggest proponent of Omaha in the world

[@philivey1123]

She said “like” over 100 times. For the love of god STOP saying “like” every 2 words

[@timothykyllonen9628]

Wow, need to eliminate “like” from the vocabulary…

[@arisq6910]

Why are they wearing black shades? Lol your not at the tables

[@joeingram1]

it's 2pm on day 30 of WSOP

[@bernster123]

@@joeingram1😂

[@christopherdowning7776]

next podcast should be indoors or in the shade so that everyone doesnt need sunglasses. giving thumbs down for the sunglasses.