Is Revan the CHOSEN ONE of The Old Republic?

[@100StarWars]

Sorry if I sound a little off in today's video, I'm still not back to 100% (hehe) but I'm getting there! Also, please let me know down below how you feel about this topic! I'm super excited to read what you all have to say on this one :)

[@kylescoolclips]

I think you are spot on, you voice my frustrations with the inconsistent definitions of balance perfectly. If star wars wants to become a cinematic universe like marvel, it has a long way to go to clear up all these inconsistencies. At the same time, there is a narrative opportunity here to explain all these different definitions as simply the perspectives of some different people who thought they know everything about how the force works when nobody can really claim that in the entire star wars universe, so maybe one day someone or something could come along and connect all these things to offer a unifying understanding, but that would be very difficult to make it let everything previous make sense, and also to keep everything following consistent with it. In a way this fluidity has allowed creators and fans to have their own interpretation of the force and balance and all, which has it's benefits for narrative freedom and satisfaction, as annoying as it may be that there is no consistency. And who in the star wars universe could possibly have a true and full understanding of the force? I mean we've already had those force gods and priests. Personally I find the idea of ying and yang more interesting than just pure good vs pure evil

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hope and pray you're not sick with the obvious.

[@barnabassebesteny1490]

To clear up contradictions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4rZqaywp7p6edU

[@shanenolan8252]

Get well soon, i can hear your not yourself but its not a problem.

[@Chaz-Support]

99.9% Star Wars

[@bullseye5262]

I would always say no… Revan made a choice, he wasn’t predestined or pressured to do anything. Personally, I think KOTOR 2 highlights that Revan was simply a man who made a choice like the Exile was a woman who made a choice.

[@aamirrazak3467]

well said, revan followed his own path he was both jedi and sith but truly neither. he made his choices because he felt they were right, the same as the exile. that's why i love both characters, their destinies were their own, because of the choices they made and how those choices defined them

[@imonke5303]

Eh, I don't think the chosen one has to follow some specific path in a certain way to be the "chosen one" the chosen one is just whoever happens to complete the "chosen one's" quest, that's why the chosen one can't be pinpointed until they havr already completed their task, my evidence; Anakin's failure. Revan probably could've been the chosen one, but he wasn't, not because he was incapable but because he wasn't involved.

[@imonke5303]

And before anyone flames me for my opinion let me remind u everyone has their interpretation of the force, I don't think the force chooses people, stuff just happens and humans can influence it, this is my opinion

[@bullseye5262]

@@imonke5303 Revan was literally involved in almost everything important in his era

[@imonke5303]

Also the "chosen one" is a false idol anyway, their is no balancing the force, much like war the dark side will always immerge whenever circumstances align, humans can't avoid the dark side lol

[@TetsuShima]

BioWare Designer 1#: "Hey, Joe. We have been ordered to design an official face for Darth Revan. Guess we have a great amount of hours of work ahead..." BioWare Designer 2#: "Hours of work? Don't make me laugh, Bob! Why should we waste hours of our life creating an official face, when we can just pick any of the many models the character had in the first game's customization menu?" BioWare Designer 1#: "Are you kidding me?! Are you really going to give Revan, one of the most mythical characters in all Star Wars, a totally random face?! " BioWare Designer 2#: Yep. In fact, I think I'll just choose this one here without a proper reason" BioWare Designer 1#: "The skinny one with mane?! DO YOU WANT FANS TO KILL US OR WHAT?! " BioWare Designer 2#: "Dude, this is BioWare. The last thing we're supposed to do in this company is trying to make fans happy. Also, who the hell is going to care about how this guy will look like?" *A few years later* Fans: "WE WANT KEANU AS REVAN 😎💪"

[@TY-km8hj]

This is the human lore now. I have spoken

[@michaelandreipalon359]

And they're also well known for using the Old Save Bonus quite well for Baldur's Gate, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening... jerks.

[@Dr.Strangmeme]

It's the face I always used.

[@Quincy299]

Nah I prefer christian bale

[@nagger8216]

I mean, the fact they used one if the presets from the original game is actually a cool detail, but okay

[@timonsolus]

Revan wasn’t the Chosen One. That was a later prophecy that referred only to Anakin Skywalker. However, Revan might (possibly) have been a vergence in the Force, like Anakin was. Although Revan wasn’t unique in being a vergence even in his own time - Meetra Surik, the Jedi Exile, was definitely a vergence in the Force, and arguably a more important one in the history of the Jedi than Revan was.

[@sunwisecircles]

I like the fact that Revan made his own choices and took the consequences

[@100StarWars]

Vergence in an interesting theory.

[@75JUNAKI]

@@sunwisecircles Agreed

[@iangallagher5448]

Meetra was the very Antithesis of the force a walking contradiction to the theory that one cannot live without the force

[@mikeor-]

@@100StarWars Revan was a vergence in the Force, but Anakin was an anomaly in the Force.

[@Mrfox2025]

I loved when kreia talked about Revan…when I looked at Revan it was looking at the force itself…

[@drewwhiting]

Balance: Darkness without light is an abyss Light without darkness is blinding You cannot have a coin with one side

[@Spanky40113]

That is the best anology i have ever heard regarding this

[@ChosenOne-il4bm]

If your to light You become arrogant and think your high and mighty If you don’t see your inner darkened and ignore it It will cloud your judgement Light is meant to suppress the darkness and keep it at bay Not to destroy it Darkness is a natural part of the world

[@TetsuShima]

Revan after his wedding night: "Fuck, Bastila. I never thought our first night as a married couple could be so crazy" Bastila: "Yeah, my love. I have a hangover worse than the torture I suffered by Malak" Revan: "Anyway, I had a very strange dream, you know? I dreamed that a Chosen One would come and also would bring Balance to the Force" Bastila: "Maybe it was a Vision of the Future, don't you think?" Revan: "No idea. Anyway, his questionable romantic quotes about sand and angels surely won't be pretty useful..."

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Hehe, nice Hand of Thrawn duology reference there.

[@aamirrazak3467]

revan: i also saw that he hates sand, i can't blame him. tatooine was the worst, the sand was everywhere it was coarse rough and irritating and got everywhere!

[@pavankrishna.s396]

Nice.

[@Emperor-Fatalis]

Pain

[@Nibiru_-_Gen_Z_Warlock]

0:20 IF IT WAS REVEALED ANIKIN WAS RELATED TO REVAN THAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST LORE BOMBSHELL IN STARWARS

[@cruickie99]

Are you saying, Anakin was the chosen one. And Revan was the choosing one?

[@liamardo9411]

That's the best description I've ever heard for those two characters

[@Son_Joe_Productions]

He’s the chosen one! He’s the chosen one! You’re the chosen one! I’M THE CHOSEN ONE!!! Are there any other chosen ones I am unaware about?

[@InameAsOne]

This was the first I'd heard of _anyone_thinking Revan was a "Chosen One;" I've always seen him as just some guy. A powerful guy, sure. One that heralded upheaval across the galaxy and wrote history for both main Orders, but just a guy.

[@100StarWars]

You'd be surprised how common the theory is.

[@poslednisoud]

The way Kreia talked about Revan suggested that he was really special. "Revan was power. Staring into his eyes was like staring into the heart of the force." Maybe "the Chosen One" is just something strong The Force produces with proclivity towards certain side and if it fails like Anakin did it sends a new one. It's the Force, it can wait.

[@KaiserTrigger]

@@joashgichuru1335 Doesn't mean it always has to have blood relations. In some stories, the title of chosen can shift from one to another, with or without blood relations, especially if the title is given by a supernatural force like... The force. Anakin was made, and made to be a chosen one, because the Sith had offended it so greatly it responded. Revan could have been a chosen one, but under different circumstances.

[@ChosenOne-il4bm]

The force just creates strong force users automatically to destroy the cancer aka force The force does not have consciousness It’s above that It’s passive

[@DanteDecimusValerius]

Damn, imagine having more influence on the history of the universe than the chosen one himself, all the while being a mere mortal. Revan’s legendary.

[@100StarWars]

Hahahaha

[@zachvecker4066]

I think you bring up a great point that Star Wars doesn’t even fully know what’s going on. I actually really like the idea that every ideology within the universe only has part of the whole. The fact that the Jedi believing balance is achieved when expunging the dark side is noble but very simplistic. They still act as though purging the dark side is the same thing as killing off dark side users. Perhaps in misinterpreting canon, but they make it seem as the the Dark Side will be destroyed when the Sith are destroyed as stated in the chosen one prophecy. But that fundamentally is paradoxical to the doctrine of what the light should be. It SHOULD be a battle of ideologies (or a War of Conversion), not a battle of lightsabers. To me, it seems the Jedi canonically do not understand balance either, which is a concept I kinda like

[@empac8631]

You bring up a strong point where the Jedi were almost naive to believe just destroying the Sith would abolish the dark side as a whole where in reality, the dark side is a concept. It’s something a Jedi or any force user will always be prone to. It’s a choice and temptation that will always be there for a Jedi’s test to be to resist it always. Killing the Sith (which Jedi, against killing, shouldn’t have been rooting for in theory) won’t destroy the feelings and concepts that lead to the darkside. Perhaps balance could actually mean Grey Jedi, being able to draw on the dark side but use it for the greater good and to protect those who can’t protect themselves. Using both halves of a coin, thus the force no longer split and in turmoil. It gives creedence to the old EU/Legends theory that Mace actually believed he could be the chosen one as he used the darkside in Vapaad while remaining true to the light.

[@HovektheArtist]

@@empac8631 hell the first jeddai were a race that used both sides of the force and it wasnt until other races joined the religion and some split to become dark jedi that the balance was broken

[@charlestownsend9280]

Part of me likes to think that there are many chosen ones throughout the star wars timeline, revan, the exile, the hero of tython/outlander, anakin, luke, rey, etc, they were all chosen by the force to be its champion during a time of turmoil and imbalance, given special power in the force and reshaped both the jedi and the sith. Just like there are sith chosen ones throughout the star wars timeline again weirdly revan can fit into it, darth bane, palpatine. I like the idea that balance means both destroying the sith and also finding balance between the dark and lightside, able to live with the emotions that would lead to the darkside while remaining in the light (which would be a healthy way of living in the real world, where denying ones "negative" emotions is just as bad as fully embracing them to the point where they control you), this works well with anakin with his possessive love leading him to the darkside but his more healthy love he had for his children led him back to the lightside, same with luke, he didn't ignore his emotions but used them properly, you could even argue the same with rey, once she controls her emotions she can fully use her powers but she still has an aggressive fighting style. Saying all that I also like the opposite idea that aren't any chosen ones, including anakin and it's just a misunderstood prophecy, one that the jedi needed to hear and was part of their fall from the true jedi way.

[@CmdrShepard95]

I really like both ideas, and I don’t know which one I like more.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

The exile was a wound on the force. It could have destroyed the force. While Revan used the force instead of being used by the force. One had enough will to cut herself from the force. While the other had enough will to make the force his bitch.

[@pcb462]

Agree 100%. It was refreshing to dive into this topic. Seems like everyone is focused on drawing lines and setting up camp on the subject of The Book Of Boba being a disaster or a success. They really need to get away from the legacy characters and start making stories that will be cherished for the next 25 years. Great job on this video!

[@lordnihilus3198]

I've got nothing more to say, I agree with you on this.

[@zakman6471]

Thank you so much for the video. I was hanging for a video about revan .... great video

[@georgesuarez8325]

As always my friend fascinating and amazing video. Qui-gon Jinn always believed Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one because of his high midi-chlorian count and believed he could bring balance to the force. But going back to the Mortis arc in Clone Wars...Anakin told the Father that the chosen one was a myth and said to Qui-gon Jinn's force ghost that he didn't know if he was the chosen one. The prophesy of any particular force sensitive being bringing balance to the force I don't think is possible because no matter how many times the Jedi say they follow the path of the light...some do fall to the temptations of the dark side like Anakin becoming Darth Vader. I also agree that Revan despite being the most powerful Jedi of his time...was not the chosen one. There are some similarities between Anakin and Revan but not much. Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side because he felt it was the only way to save Padme and Revan and Malak became Sith because of Emperor Vitiate's influence

[@cosinguspalpatine4449]

2:42 unequiping Revans clothes so he’d be in his undergarments for one of the few and far cut scenes of the game is a MASSIVE flex. Idk why I never thought of that.

[@CYBERJASE]

I never thought of Revan as the chosen one in the Old Republic, but he is maybe the character with the biggest impact on the galaxy during the old republic. Moreover, he is a force user with a complete knowledge of the force, light and dark. I have always respected this character, because he was held in hugh esteem by both Sith and Jedi. He has fallen from the right path, but managed to rise again and find his way to redemption... I never saw Revan as a chosen one like Anakin though...

[@jrmoodyiii]

What about the Ghosts of Mortis???. The Father said Anikan was to keep his children in balance.

[@Troy211]

There is no “a chosen one”. There is only “the chosen one”!

[@jesseleeshoemakerjr5461]

Then why were there Sith generations after Palpatine was long dead? Kinda makes the "chosen one" thing redundant if there were Sith threats before and after the Chosen One. It's because Anakin/Vader was the first written. Since then there have been many others created. Ulic Qel Droma, Revan, Cade Skywalker...

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

"Revan had no expectation placed on him" "We need you to find The Star Forge and take down Malak".

[@hiwrenhere]

Gonna add my thoughts before the video and then update them after watching. Maybe "chosen one" is a bit extreme? I think the way the in-universe characters view the prophecy of the chosen one is indicative of how we out-of-universe should feel about it. That is, the prophecy is a wee bit mercurial. It's a wee bit unclear. Some characters are unsure and others are certain (Mace Windu and Qui Gon, respectively.) Sure, out of universe we know blah blah blah, but if I were a historian of the Star Wars Universe IN UNIVERSE, I'd say a better description would be these sort of Nexuses of the Force. They're individuals who have abilities to change the galaxy with their actions. Their own choices. They're linchpins. Not even necessarily for good, but very well could be for evil as well. Examples of this are Revan, Meetra Surik, Nomi Sunrider, Darth Bane, Palpatine, Reylo, Darth Caedus (notably neither of his siblings nor his cousin), Kyle Kattarn, Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Naga Sadow, Luke, AND Anakin. It is a definition and characterization that's less strict and is clearly different than the chosen one, but I think it is a definition that it is a more useful one for discussion and having fun! Edit for after the video OH GOD NO PLEASE STOP THE SKYWALKER BLOODLINE NONSENSE 😭😭 I ended up agreeing with what you had to say. Though I hadn't thought of the difference between usurping the power versus having the power and responsibility being thrust upon him. That is a really good point. I also don't think Revan balanced the force. So he misses on that characteristic if we were going for it!

[@inventorking9124]

I feel the same way. In and out-of-universe, the Skywalkers are given way too much importance. Not to demean any of them as characters, but I don't think they are this all-powerful bloodline destined to bring about an age of eternal balance in the way a lot of fans think they are. There's a scene I really like from FOTJ where Anakin Solo's force ghost says "Too much was lost with me when I died. Every Jedi has to be their own light." I very much prefer this idea. Every Jedi is important in their own way, and any one of them can choose to take on the mantle of the hero. Anyone can choose to be Revan, or the Exile, or Lord Hoth, or the Hero of Tython.

[@misterevil1967]

Sitting at between 3 and 4 thousand years before the battle of Yavin and assuming that at no point in time did Revan's line become completely extinct and that at any point the scions of Revan had multiple offspring which then went on to have multiple offspring... then every human in the Star Wars Galaxy can trace their lineage to Revan! Excluding, of course, any world that is socially isolated from the rest of the Galaxy. ...And even then, unless that world is in TOTAL isolation from the Galaxy, some of the population can trace their lineage to Revan.

[@botz77]

"A prophecy that misread, may have been"

[@HVLLOW99]

This channel is pure gold.

[@100StarWars]

[@darthshako]

I feel that Qui-Gon and Kreia might be willing to say that Revan believing in his choice is the will of the Force because that is what Revan needs to do for the Force.

[@deiquimera9445]

Ive always wondered what if revan and anakin were contemporaneous, just imagine they two in the mandalorian wars fighting side by side because, yes, obviously anakin would have been a revanchist. Btw what a goal from mbappe at 93"

[@100StarWars]

I feel he may have been too!

[@alexandrelaborie6207]

I have a theory. Here it is: The prophecy has been accomplished twice. There are tow chosen ones in the galactic history The jedi exile Meetra Surik is the first one. She rebuild the jedi order on a new, better basis, being more open minded and emapthic than the old jedi destroyed by Darth Nihilus and the other siths. The second chosen one is in fact double. You have Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, who destroys the old jedi order, seeing through his lies. But in the meantime, he become so corrupted by the dark side that he cannot find a balance until he kills his master Sidious on the second death star. His son, Luke accomplishes the prophecy helping his father to redeem, and rebuilding the jedi order once again on the basis it had forgotten with years.

[@IcefireC67]

In my opinion, the chosen feels like the exile Not only did meetra revive the jedi order single handedly, she also destroyed the most powerful dark side user the galaxy has ever seen

[@rena4050]

Revan = Anakin Exile = Luke

[@aliciaaltair]

Balance is a state of constant adjustment, not an end in itself. It always struck me as odd that an organization full of acrobats wouldn't be a bit more wary of a prophecy promising balance as an end-state. Everything would basically need to stop the moment balance is achieved, which seems rather ominous.

[@DarthAnimal]

Revan is kinda like a Digidestined Hes not THE chosen one, but still the force was like "Hey we need you"

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Convoluted or not, you really should check out the story of the "Mortis Gods", and also the elusive "Mother"; in other words, try perusing of the Supernatural Encounters by Arhul Hextrophon. Now that that's concluded, what about the possibility that Vergere of New Jedi Order infamy(?) is the Darth Traya figure of that era?

[@100StarWars]

I believe I've seen those.

[@thestanleys3657]

The force is a ⚖️ sometimes the dark is dominate somtimes it's the light so it's constantly trying to balance itself in order to do this, every now and again births certain people(like Reven, Bane, palps/Vader or Luke) who could be called chosen ones to set the scales right.

[@100StarWars]

Very Kreia!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

There were no flabbergasted "chosen ones" in that dark time. The Force was still setting up that still unborn element at the time. Also, being a "Chosen One" always sucks, even if you're really good at it. Also, long time no see, 100% Star Wars.

[@realBatman-89]

This doesn't make sense.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@realBatman-89 Nothing is.

[@sirmister5383]

What about darth bane. Wouldn't consider that old republic but. I think he was the chosen one of his Era. Hell he single handedly took out almost all the sith and most of the jedi army. And with the rule of two, there was peace for a thousand years. Creating balance.

[@TY-km8hj]

Definitely not. He may be considered the sithari by sith standards, but he was in no way THE chosen one. And he took out the army of light or a massive portion of it anyway. There were still plenty more jedi out there, tho severely weakened.

[@timonsolus]

Darth Bane didn’t take out most of the Jedi Order. They died in a war with the Sith Order that Bane didn’t start, and fought in as a ordinary soldier for the Sith army before he was selected for Sith training. Bane destroyed the Sith Order, but not the Jedi Order. By the end of the war, Bane was the only Sith left, by design, so he could select an apprentice and begin the Rule of Two. He also began the very long road to corrupting and undermining the Republic from within.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

He was the Sith's"Chosen One", but yeah, NOT the actual predestined "Chosen One".

[@realBatman-89]

Darth Bane was the Sith'ari. A perfect being who would both destroy and remake the Sith

[@100StarWars]

He was the chosen one for the Sith technically.

[@emperormilk_]

Did you enjoy the disorder cinematic?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

What's that?

[@100StarWars]

I did yes! Not as good as the original Blur Studio ones but good none the less!

[@deity752]

We all know Trask Ulgo was the true Chosen One :)

[@OldRepublicPodcastORP]

The Shan Clan is the Chosen Dyad!

[@100StarWars]

We can hope haha

[@dar-nakkallig]

But is there a prophecy relating to Revan? If there is then Chosen One Revan. If there isn’t then Chosen One Revan is Fanfiction.

[@100StarWars]

Huh?

[@aamirrazak3467]

Well said i agree. there is only one chosen one and that's Anakin skywalker. Revan made his own choices and followed his own path, you put it very eloquently, he chose to take the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders, whereas Anakin had that weight thrust on his shoulders. It's part of why he's my favorite star wars character because he is his own man, he forged his own destiny, and his choices shaped his future and that of the galaxy. The Exile is much the same, she went to war to defend the republic from the Mandalorians and her choices echoed throughout the galaxy an example being the battle of malachor V. Balance in the force is a tricky thing as well. Does it simply mean the absence of the dark side, as GL says? Is such a thing even possible? Or is the dark side part of the totality of the force, the contrast to the light as Kreia says? I like Vergere from the New Jedi Order's take on the force, that it is one, and the only dark side is that within the hearts of all sentient beings. The dark and the light are how the galaxy breaks the force down to understand it, but it is greater than that I feel

[@5stargrim]

He's definitely not a prophesied chosen one... but at the same time, with how power in the force works, there's definitely something weird about how powerful Revan was. Anakin had a pretty good reason for his insane potential; he was literally born from the holy nut of the force. Revan trained hard and fought a lot but that doesn't really explain his outrageous gains. His connection to the force was truly abnormal, so the vengeance idea might be the right idea.

[@miqvPL]

The answer is rather easy- there were 2 prophecies about chosen force sensitives in Star Wars. Sith'ari and The Chosen One. Which were Darth Bane and Anakin respectively. Revan is the best example of someone who can change the shape of the entire galaxy with enough power and ambition. Or a set goal, since ambition heavily implies falling to the dark side. As for the Chosen One prophecy and how Anakin brought balance to the force I see it like this- there were 2 prophecies, one for sith and one for jedi. Both came true, as well as their interpretations- Bane believed that a Sith'ari and the Rule of Two will make the sith victorious over the jedi- it happened finally when Anakin fell to the dark side. Anakin's prophecy came true when Luke's sacrifice and love brought him back to the light side. Once those prophecies were fullfilled they were over, we get a balanced galaxy and what happens next is disconnected from those old prophecies. There is also another aspect of the Chosen One propecy we can argue about- jedi of the order fell to corruption. Politics, leading forces in a war, their judgement and foresight being blinded by the dark side, not helping Anakin despite sensing conflict within him, rushing to murder sith as soon as they showed up and telling Luke that he needs to kill Vader otherwise all is lost- Jedi lost their way. Luke brought it back, became a true jedi knight, one Anakin always wanted to be and dreamed about. We can interpret bringing the balance to the force as cleansing the light side as well, not only purging the dark side. As for the grey jedi- all force sensitives that we see looking for another way than jedi or sith became apathetic cowards, too afraid of both sides to take action and do some good. There are no true grey jedi, since the Force is a metronome, trying to truly balance it is impossible. But we have those who balance on top of that metronome. Revan, Kreia, Exile, even Mace Windu when he fights, Luke to some extent. Because being the Force sensitive doesn't force a destiny upon you, there is always a choice that those with the most willpower can make. Luke stopped himself from killing his father, Revan's ultimate goal was always stronger than the side of moral coin he was at the moment. Kreia's teachings were sith in nature but served betterment of oneself, not mindless destruction of the galaxy, there was always a goal of leaving the galaxy a better place than before, spreading positive echoes through the space. The Exile like Revan made difficult choices that affected those connected to her, but ultimately became a jedi that didn't repeat mistakes of the past, she held Kreia's teachings dear and passed them over, before it showing Kreia that one can be a jedi and a force of good and forgiveness but still remain strong and grow stronger through kindness. Although that last part is hugely my interpretation of the most canon ending of Kotor 2. Shame we NEVER got any sort of continuation of that story. But as I said many times before- better to have it that way than get a shitty mmo with terrible writing supported by some extremely idiotic books that took a huge dump on both main Kotor characters, right? ;)

[@timonsolus]

Good answer - I agree.

[@miqvPL]

@@timonsolus thanks. In retrospect the part where I tell about jedi being corrupted it would be solved more by Luke than Anakin, but since Anakin was the key (since he made Luke) and prophecies being always vague we can stretch it to fit the narrative. But I acknowledge a possible error I made in my reasoning.

[@timonsolus]

@@miqvPL : Regarding ‘gray jedi’ - what are your thoughts on the ancient Je’daii Order? (The predecessor of the Jedi Order, based on Tython and active in the 11,000 years before the foundation of the Old Republic.) They had a philosophical view that there must be a balance between the light side and the dark side of the Force, and learning about both was necessary for a Je’daii. And any Je’daii who became either too dark sided or too light sided was stranded in isolation on a moon until they had brought themselves back into balance.

[@miqvPL]

@@timonsolus First let's look at the sources that introduced this concept - a comic book series and a shity mmo. That should tell you how valid it is within the unvierse. But even if we take this as a real part of the universe- they had a schism, it fell apart. Because the force is a metronome. There might be something more there to discuss (how they managed to apparently get it in 'balance' for some time) but since I don't like the sources of this information I really dont care

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Gray Jedi were never a thing. That was something made up by fans who insisted on categorizing every non-Jedi that used the light side. And some just used it to create Wolverine-esque Star Wars OCs. The closest thing Legends got to acknowledging "Gray Jedi" was when Jolee said "I see more gray than light or dark" but he wasn't calling himself a Gray Jedi, he was just simplifying his mindset to Bastila. But you are right that it is a damn shame that we never got a proper conclusion of the KOTOR saga. The Revan novel personally doesn't bother me as it does many fans, but I'm convinced that the book would have been a lot better if it had not been a video game tie-in. And based on what Avellone has said, the "true" Sith Empire would have had more Ancient Egypt vibe driven by mysticism. Which sounds a lot better than what we got in SWTOR.

[@QoQabai658]

The only true Chosen One in my opinion was King Adas. Remember, most of this special being stuff is based on him.

[@dancooke8811]

Kreia's Philosophy

[@Jade0ll]

JUST REMEMBER THAT G. LUCAS' STORY ITSELF TELLS US THAT THE CONCEPT OF BALANCING THE FORCE IS BROUGHT TO US FROM A JEDI PROPHECY !!!! SO IT'S SIMPLY JEDI'S POINT OF VIEW ON THE BALANCE OF THE FORCE (ELIMINATING DARK SIDE CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY BELIVED IT WAS). maybe balance of the force form the sith point of view is sth else who knows because they would never taste the light side of the force willingly.. and Revan did taste both and stayed on the side of his OWN WILL not he force's will NOR BERSERK DARK SIDE will of slaughter... WHAT DO U THINK OF THAT HUH?

[@TY-km8hj]

No. Revan made a choice and rose to the occasion. To say he was would just destroy the point of revan, meetra and the overall kotor story

[@100StarWars]

Agreed!

[@crimsonninja4097]

The Chosen Ones do exist in Star Wars however people misunderstand what the Chosen One actually is, it's less an individual or prophecy and more of a neutral mechanism of the Force that's specific role is to stabilize the Force itself And the Force is only stabilized when in balance and only in balance when one side isn't heavily advantaged or heavily disadvantaged plus the side opposite of whoever has the imbalance gets the mechanism we know as the Chosen One in order to create and maintain that balance commonly called balancing the Force. Hence both the Sith and the Jedi have official Chosen Ones, the Light side and the Darkside are both aspects of the Force with the Lights use representative of the Positives and the Darkside representative of the negative.

[@Jonathan_McConnell]

Or “the chosen one” is title that we thrust upon those who we believe will bring a temporary balance.

[@jordanshopland0926]

100%Star wars you have opened my mind on this thank you for a great video.

[@Ascension7707]

Amazing video bro

[@Umbra7X23]

Wth is that game play from at 1:39 ??? 🤔🤨 (update : noticed later on throughout the video literally because of my own stupidity that it was jedi fallen order I'm gonna assume that u were able 2 use an Anakin Skywalker skin due 2 it being a mod)

[@mithosirving]

i love revan as mutch as the next fan but no he was not a chosen one, he is a great charater one of the best, especially in the lesson of failure. turns out malak called it in the end, revan died just the way malak said, and i love how revans dying words were "And in the End, as the darkness takes me,I am nothing. I now know how you fealt, my freind" revan was to blame partialy for darth malek and when dying malak asked revan for forgiveness in a way, but revan just judged him, so in revans death where did his mind go, not to his wife now long dead, he did not fail her not to Meetra Surik, he did not fail her, but to his greatest failure, his best freind Malak who he failed as a freind, teacher and master.

[@TY-km8hj]

Not the ingest fan of swtor and its changes but I loves the realisation for him in the end

[@mithosirving]

@@TY-km8hj same but their are some good changes and not so good changes, but yes

[@DarkRider117]

Damn I’ve never thought about the “chosen one” more or less being a lie but that’s amazing and got me really thinking

[@rcschmidt668]

I was just thinking, “But what about Mortis?” and you mentioned it.

[@crasyperson123]

Before getting too far into the video to hear your opinion, If we look at revan from a perspective that bible readers often take, perhaps revan is a "type and shadow" of the chosen one. not actually, but just a similar looking form that you can learn from.

[@galacticfirefly6060]

After everything that has happend in SWTOR, what do you think of the Player Character... our character? Regardless if he or she is the Hero of Tython, Barsen'thor, Champion of the Great Hunt, Emperor's wrath, Cipher Nine, Kallig's heir, Smuggler, Havoc Squad Commander,... Alliance Commander in General... Would you consider him or her a Chosen One, Even though the Player Character is now litterly Portrayed as a Litteral God in the story that can handle any situation thrown at them. I'm just curious, SWTOR being the last game of the old canon (before Disney). Is the player Character the "Chosen One" or "Chosen by the Force" or "Born by the Force to oppose the Sith Emperor" or "The Counter against the Coming Evils" in SWTOR? Because i start to think that the player in SWTOR is starting to get Really overpowered.

[@themelon_1785]

The idea that the jedi made the chosen 1 prophecy up is very real possibility, i mean the jedi believed they could stop the sith, and the only criteria for a person being "the chosen 1" is for that person to be the 1 who ended the sith, who would most likely be a jedi as only jedi could really compete with sith, and be very powerful in the force (anakin) as such a person is more likely to end the sith than jedi weaker in the force So the only case in which the chosen 1 prophecy isnt true is if the last sith got crushed by a rock (unlikely) or killed by a non jedi (unlikely) or something else (unlikely), a jedi ending the last sith is the most likely way the sith would end I believe the chosen 1 prophecy is just a whole load of BS, like an ancient jedi wrote in his diary "one day an individual will bring balance to the force" and future jedi thought he was saying something important as opposed to the original intent, and anakin *actually* ending the sith was just luck, the sith being destroyed is inevitable, like how monkeys randomly pressing a type writer's keys infinitely will inevitably type the entirety of Shakespeare's work

[@Jwine95]

I like to subscribe to the theory that the force isn’t light or dark it just is a natural force of nature. And it’s the user that brings out certain aspects of it. I also like to think force users like Luke, exile, Revan , Kyle kataarn etc understood this and that’s why they’re able to use dark side abilities without it truly corrupting them.

[@ryanball8944]

There's an old description of Link from Wind Waker "he wasn't a hero chosen and blessed by the gods, he was a young kid from a small island, who pulled the fragments of the Triforce up from the depths of the Great Sea and claimed the Master Sword. He FORCED the Gods to chose him through his actions" This reminds me a lot of Revan

[@roninjedi2494]

Obviously not since there were still sith around using the dark side which unbalances the force. As George Lucas said the only way to bring balance to the force is for all dark side users to be gone because using the dark side throws the force out of balance

[@iangallagher5448]

Well in the planned Kotor 3 him and the exile would defeat the true sith empire

[@4477superman]

Yeah but in that case Anakin isn’t the chosen one either. Both in legends and in the current Disney canon Sidious has survived. Also other dark Jedi and/or Sith.

[@willbradford5676]

what gameplay is being shown in the beginning when you’re running around as jedi knight anakin?

[@100StarWars]

Jedi: Fallen Order

[@Vitrolin2408]

The idea of "there can only ever be one chosen one" is only valid if the event fails. If you succeed, the world didn't end. And the fate of the world now rests in other event, in another time; to another select few. And to be fair; there can be multiple prophecies, multiple chosen ones, chosen to perform different duties. Not every chosen one necessarily needs to bring balance. They could all be required to do different roles. The idea of Rogue One, perfectly encapsulates this idea; each member lived just long enough to fulfil their role; once successful; the next link in the chain depended upon someone else. Each chosen one only really carries the torch to the next event; you're only ever really a page, nothing more.

[@Jwine95]

I just kind of want a fanfic short film of revan being anakins mentor.. I think Anakain could have truly reached his full potiental under revan's teachings

[@friendlyarsenic1547]

I see revan as the chaotic nature of the force incarnate. Raw and extreme power, but constantly shifting and moving from various points in the universe. His ideologies were his own and he had a clear set goal in mind. I do think he was the "chosen one" of the old republic, and could very well rival anakin in power. But i think he wasnt bound to the same prophecy as anakin was, he was able to freely manipulate his destiny, and the destiny of others.

[@SrbijaCG]

Since it was believed that the "chosen one" would bring balance to the Force, it would only make sense for Anakin to fall to the dark side because, until Anakin became Vader, it seems that the scale had tipped heavily towards the light. This means that Luke disrupted the balance. The dark side always exists and there will always be those "falling" to the dark side. There needs to be those who follow the dark path in order for the Force to be balanced. Thats what makes the "gray jedi" the balanced ones.

[@kacperrys3003]

Balance in the force its not the same numer of DS and LS user. LS users are servants of the force. 0 DS users=balance in the force.

[@Kolonol1]

The gray Jedi theory I agree with and that's why I think Luke did not unbalance the force and why Dark Empire is so important regardless of what people say...Luke knew both sides...Luke created an order of many who knew both sides...an order of those who followed the gray...Anakin fathered Luke who was the balance in the force.

[@needtoknow6423]

@@kacperrys3003 Depends on the definition of light and dark. The Force doesn't care, if you achieve it's will through honesty or manipulation. Important is that you follow the will of the Force and that you only harm those who oppose it.

[@SrbijaCG]

@@kacperrys3003 Those are the beliefs of the jedi. Their philosophy is very flawed. The average jedi are slaves to the council. The council made up the rules, and whoever defies them risks excommunication (sometimes even the council members could be excommunicated). Only the council broke their laws when they needed to. Some council members were puppets and seat-fillers. "There is no death; there is the Force" QuiGon famously denied joining the council because he was expected to abandon all his personal beliefs, discovery, and philosophy before joining. Who expected that? Of course, Mace Windu. QuiGon researched the Force and worked with it instead of blindly following the council. If QuiGon were to have abandoned his findings, and philosophy, life through the Force would not have been discovered (Life after death through Force was always known to have existed, but knowledge of how to live through Force was lost. However, QuiGon uncovered a different and easier way to live through Force, although a bit restrainful. Anyway, this is irrelevant). The Jedi followed the light, but that doesnt mean that they were in all aspects "holy". The jedi were corrupt. This was obvious to some jedi who fully shunned the jedi philosophy and took on the Sith philosophy. Very few became just unaligned force users. Most of those who shunned the jedi order joined the Sith. Of course, Sith philosophy was likewise flawed. But some sith, like Plagueis went even further and opted to abuse the Force, which was not part of the sith philosophy, rather: "The Force shall free me" In my opinion the gray jedi code was the best. There were many gray jedi cults and they had different codes, but they all pushed the same ideology. My favorite is: "I do not serve the Force, Nor does the Force serve me. Rather I am part of the Force, As it is part of me. I am one with the Force, And the Force is one with me. May the Force guide me." That code perfectly describes the path that QuiGon Jinn followed. Which pretty much makes QuiGon a gray jedi.

[@alphapolimeris]

I have the opinion that "bring balance to the force" is just Jedi linguo for "eradicate the siths". And we are reading too much into it. They just use fancy words because eradicate, murder and genocide doesn't fit their mouths. We know that the force talks. That it has a will. We also know it allows the darkside to exists. Which is why I am inclined to think the chosen one prophecy is a purely Jedi centric thing (and their war against the siths), and has actually no bearing on the actual force. Then again, there is the counterargument that the order was awaiting a Chosen one, yet thought the siths already extinct. Then again again, eradicating the darkside is obviously impossible without brainwashing the entire galaxy, since using it is as easy as not listnening to the will of the force. And the Jedi know that so the pophecy is meaningless again. You essentially have to choose your preferred inconsitency.

[@Fuegoaries]

The balance is what luke basically did in the EU and wha revan accomplished. By being themselves not aligning with neither the dark or light buh living life like a regular person with force powers. Though luke is a grand master doe

[@maxfeatherstone5529]

I believe when anakin killed the emperor he brought balance and Luke eventually taught his students to use both the light and dark maintaining the balance (legends).

[@ajzebadua]

Oh hey, the new SWTOR trailer is shown. Woot SWTOR hype! Personally, I don't dislike how SWTOR "treated" Revan, I think they wrote him well through to the end of Onslaught when you finally finish off Vitiate/Valkorian/Tenebrae.

[@silentSkipan]

Some food for thought, what if you didn't play as Revan in Kotor but as the force controlling him and his party? Also saying he chose the path he was on isn't entirely correct either as he was forced away from the dark side at the beginning of the game by Bastila. And it boils down to the debate whether humans have free will and act according to it or whether we act according to a greater will like destiny (or the force) with the illusion of having free will. You are, however, correct about there being countless ways to interpret it and I think that's part of what makes Star Wars great. Personally I like to believe bringing balance to force is similar to how actual forces work. Every force has an equal and opposite force. So the more the Sith tamper and misuse the force the greater the chance of a Jedi hero to rising to defeat them. Therefore I think Luke was the true 'Chosen One' to balance out the misuse that ended up as Darth Vader.

[@T1Top]

No, There is only one Chosen one, The man that was created by the force itself.

[@papawedge7396]

Well in the "Chosen One as a response" interpretation, what would make Anakin special over Revan in this case would be that, in the book, Plagueis and Sidious actually disturbed the Force's natural balance by trying to overpower it's will through the midichlorian manipulation, so the threat of Sith with such power was more on the metaphysical plane than in the physical. And in Revan's case he would not be created as a response to the Mandalorian wars being instigated, he would be a response to Vitiate's unnatural presence (his drain of Nathema left the Force absent, life incapable to grow, even color and sound were dulled). Personally i adopt this interpretation but i think it fits more to the Hero of Tython, Revan was Vitiate's enemy sure, but he didin't get prophesized like in Scourge's vision, what links the two (Hero of Tython and Anakin) is that there's some sort of vision of the future involved.

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

4:10 Thats a Interesting Way of Looking at it. And thats sort of how I Always saw it. Reaccuring with the Lore. There being more than 1 of The Chosen one. Brings balance to The Force? That is Definitely True. Its never really been Great at Showing the Balance between Ying & Yang. Let alone (How) it brought balance to the Force. Glad to see I'm not alone with these. Great Minds do Think alike Don't They?

[@VanerShan]

Revan is love, Revan is life

[@konzu5897]

Now I want a story of revan and anikin talking about stuff in the style of the last church to eny 40k fans

[@HovektheArtist]

Whether chosen one, balancer, or vengeance of the force i think we can all agree Revans mask and outfit are top tier

[@maxiumuslleelandgamingmlg]

If one seeks to destroy the Sith in the Star Wars Galaxy, One must first destroy the Sith within oneself.

[@minicle426]

I'd say the Exile has more of a 'chosen one' like status. Just in a different manner.

[@xavierzabie8184]

I pretty much 100% agree with you on this and would take it a step farther. Not only is Revan not a chosen, or Anakin for that matter, but the prophecy was created by the groups as a sort of inevitability fallacy. Using the Jedi as an example, the Jedi observed how great heroes like Revan and The Outlander came and saved the republic/jedi. The Jedi then assumed from this constant happening of great sacrifice that there would always be a chosen one. To put balance to the force. The problem in the Prequels for the Jedi is they jumped the gun. Instead of allowing the "Chosen One" to come across naturally they tried to make their theory reality. It didn't work out for them.

[@Plastikdoom]

Also Revan didn’t fully choose, all of it, you do know the Jedi erased his memories…for a time? And lied to him, retrained him, used him, without him knowing for awhile? Yes he initially choose his path, once he was in a position to do so, and circumstances allowed it, along with his strategies and tactics. The he kicked up a ton, was betrayed, captured, mind wiped, lied to, retrained. Successful in stopping the ‘sith ‘ empire he created, to bolster the republic and build up a huge, fully militarized, war hardened republic to stand against vitiate. Then defeated, captured again, before being freed, to finish him off. And eliminating a lot of super powerful Sith Lords in the process, that slaughtered regular Jedi and masters, like it was nothing. So yeah, Revan was chosen, if not, then how did he live? Remember, what happened through all that the Jedi council did, Malik did, and vitiate? Then win after all that time of vitiate feeding off his power? It’s not that any one action makes them chosen, it’s what they did, overall, that rebalances things, in general, in the force.

[@inventorking9124]

I think that people who say that the hero of SW is always a chosen one overestimate the idea of determinism in Star Wars. A key point George Lucas always made is that the Force can influence events and does have some kind of will, but every choice you make and how you interpret that will are entirely up to you. The whole idea of the Light Side vs the Dark Side is that of choice: choose your destiny, who you will be. Everyone being created by the Force into becoming a hero completely negates that idea. It removes the value of the journey, the story, growth. And that doesn't make sense in a story fundamentally about choosing your path.

[@iambutter2784]

So my theory on the Balance of the force goes as such. The problem with the Force was The Jedi had become Stagnant, loosing their way and becoming Fearful of that which they didn't know and that Anakin needed to fall and help bring an end to the Current Order and Reset the board. Revan was unique because he was able to use the Force in its Purist Form and it was his belief that you need to understand both halves of the Force and be in balance of yourself.

[@psychoticdaizyproductions569]

I figured the balance to the force was creating the 2v2 scenario. But... that didn't stick around long

[@KaiserTrigger]

Unless Anakin's mom was a descendant, then it just doesn't work for it to be a bloodline. But also, the idea of a chosen one, in the context of the Force, is more flexible because it's a title given by a supernatural type of thing. Anakin was made by the force as a response to the offense committed by the Sith. An offense that could not be forgiven, more so than almost any other dark side user did. But those are specific circumstances, and a chosen one isn't a chosen one because they have to be needed for THOSE specific circumstances. A chosen one can be a chosen one under different circumstances, needed for different things. So the idea of Revan being a chosen one isn't impossible. However, I'm more inclined to be in awe of a story of a man that made choices, than someone who's chosen for something, giving them great power because of their chosen one status. But what made Anakin work better than other chosens, is that it still played into the idea that he made choices, and you always have a choice. He could still be a chosen one, but the chosen status doesn't dictate entirely what he would do. You still get the feeling he could have chosen not to save Anakin. But he did, not because he's the chosen one, but because he made a choice. Also he still had to train a decent bit to really be as great as he was in his height as a jedi, unlike a certain someone. But in Revans case, I like his more simply because there wasn't that looming idea of being a chosen one.

[@dreadrath]

Revan was not chosen by destiny Revan strove to make his own destiny.

[@asrieldreemurr1210]

I choose to be the chosen one and you being forced to be the chosen one we are not the same -revan

[@Trespser]

No revan chose his own actions, he was in full control of the force not the other way around

[@ShadowCritias]

And also you forgot that Anakin choose to become a Jedi, cuz he wants to become a Jedi cuz of his dream that he had, Anakin choose his path to follow to become a Jedi NOT being the Chosen One, he didn't care about the prophecy to balance of the Force, when The Father tells him but Anakin doesn't believe & he believes the chosen one is a myth, the Father prove him wrong that Anakin is the chosen one, but like you said Anakin didn't want to be Chosen One, the Force chosen him & the Jedi force him to be the chosen one to bring balance of the force without his free will. Anakin is similar to Raven cuz he followed his own path, his own story & the decision that he make. Again he chose to become a Jedi NOT being the Chosen One, he chose to fall the Dark Side for the fear of loss of Padme. Anakin was the Chosen One by force without his free will.

[@Dav1d15196]

What does a choosen one even mean ? If we are counting disney trilogy as a cannon then Rey is choosen one because she destroyed Palpatine with all of the sith spirits or what the hell that crap was. And if we are counting only sequels then Anakin destroyed Emperor but where it is written that new siths don't arise in future.

[@wearegogeta9974]

To continue on with something you said. The concept of the force in balance is a moot point. I fully believe in kreia’s philosophy. The primordial entity that has existed since the first sparks of life in the galaxy. The force is not needed for life and the galaxy to continue. This entity is at the center of every major conflict that the galaxy has suffered. The force grants unimaginable power to those who can use it and they often abuse such power. Both the Jedi and sith are guilty of this in spades. Balancing the force will do nothing. It may bring peace between the light and dark but fear of the power they wield will propagate a similar situation. Even if both the Jedi and sith were to be completely and utterly erased, other force sensitives would rise with the same power. No matter what, the cycle will repeat. The only true solution is extreme to say the least. It’s like a coin. There will always two sides (dark and light) to the coin (force) and it will always flip (war and conflict) and no matter which side it lands on (which power is dominant at the time) the coin will always be flipped again at some point, but destroy the coin, and it stops flipping (no more war or conflict). The only solution is to fully kill the force, both physical and cosmic.

[@4477superman]

I agree with a lot in the video it’s an interesting topic. I don’t think that Revan being a “chosen one” entirely conflicts with him making his own choices. Especially if Revan were to predate this “prophecy”. In my opinion and own personal canon, the chosen one “prophecy” is more of an observation of historical trends rather than a prediction of something that has never happened before. It’s similar to The Avatar. Revan’s story could’ve also directly contributed to the writing of this prophecy. I think Revan and Anakin are just as strong as one another, but I don’t believe them to be related by blood. Revan isn’t a Skywalker.

[@seanlowery4144]

Interesting. I don't know why even myself hadn't considered the idea of Revan being a "Chosen One", but ironically, I think watching this convinced me that he is despite your evidence to the contrary. Do I feel that was intended? No. But when I think of Yoda saying that the prophecy may have been misinterpreted and I think of your mention that the Force may have created Revan and Anakin both to relevel things a bit due to the Sith tampering with the balance of things (or Nature and the Force itself), it makes me really rethink the prophecy in general. And my personal perception, of not just that prophecy but Star Wars entirely, I think has just changed COMPLETELY and I now think that the Chosen One idea IS misinterpreted by the limits of sentient beings in general. I am seeing this now as evolution. When something in the environment changes radically due to outside influence, nature tends to respond by adapting accordingly and failing to do so quickly enough results in extinction. Desolation. Wiping the slate clean so much so that it literally cannot recover. The "Chosen One" to me now just becomes a misinterpretation of nature and evolution in terms of the Living Force within the Star Wars Universe. It's just the Force adapting to keep nature in balance because if it does not evolve accordingly, it will become extinct. It IS the "Living" Force, as they call it. It too must adapt or die. This is, of course, just how I am choosing to see it and I highly doubt was the intent the creators of any of these characters had when they did so. But I personally think that makes the whole "Chosen One bringing balance to the Force" prophecy make more sense. It is sentient beings trying to rationalize, primitively, what nature just does, by using deities and prophecies to do so. Basically, it's religion trying to make sense of something scientifically rational, yet not entirely understood and that would exist without sentient beings doing what they do and overthinking and labelling things and then letting ego lock them into believing everything is black and white when really almost nothing is, and that good and evil wouldn't even exist without sentient beings having egotistical emotional attachments to things and people and places. Nature would still do what it does, even if we weren't there to witness and categorize it and at that point black and white are non-existent and all that is left is the gray balance that is the existence of the universe. This is and has been my view on the topic of good and evil and I cannot tell you how many times that debate has created controversy between me and other people...haha! It's hard to explain that you don't believe good and evil exist without people forgetting that when you say emotional attachment is what makes us interpret what just "is" in nature as "evil", that I am also one of those emotionally attached sentient beings and therefore I'm not going to go rape or murder anyone, and that I'm just speaking from a phliosophical standpoint outside of being a human being.

[@Steel-101]

I don’t think Revan is a chosen one of the old republic but it’s possible that he may be related to Shmi Skywalker. That would be a cool idea. Also we did find out not too long ago that George Lucas wanted Leia to be the true chosen one all along(The original idea for the sequel trilogy). Honestly that would’ve made more sense and it would explain the line from Yoda: “A prophecy misread”. Also in my opinion that “force family” episode from the clone wars was really ridiculous and convoluted. Thankfully that story doesn’t really have much of an impact on the series and it can be easily ignored.

[@DarthAnimal]

3:09 man out here with underwear revan lol

[@100StarWars]

The only revan the galaxy needs haha

[@Infinicat]

I've just always thought of the prophecy as something the Jedi believed. It wasn't really substantiated by anything in other parts of the lore, and even Yoda and Mace Windu both explicitly say they doubted the validity of the prophecy, with Yoda going so far even as to say that the prophecy could have been misread. As for the concept of "Balance" in the Force, well the way I see it is, canon aside, there have been depictions of the "Wills" of the force as actual entities that embody aspects of the Force, and even they struggle to find balance among themselves. Even if you don't consider that canon, though, you can see that the Force is more or less a non-sentient "power" or "energy" or underlying essential fabric/component of the Star Wars universe, and "balance" of it is simply something that those who use the Force seek for their own personal perspective. And even if the Force did want "balance", and was sentient enough to desire something like that, who is to say that that means that it should be the Jedi or the Sith? For all intents and purposes the "Old Orders" of the Sith and the Jedi died with their respective masters, Yoda and the Emperor. Anakin even died. The only remaining person close to being a Jedi is Luke, and he is effectively left to figure out what it means to be a Jedi. And seeing the way he dressed in Episode 6 and is often depicted in other media, he doesn't exactly dress or behave like the Jedi of old. He fights for what he believes is right, which is usually aligned with some combination of his ideals and the ideals of the New Republic that is birthed from the Rebel Alliance after the defeat of the Empire. I guess all I'm trying to say is that even in Lucas's original context, the idea of "balance to the Force" is just kind of a loose belief held by a few superstitious Jedi across multiple decades, and by the time the whole idea culminates, everything and everyone from that era are gone.

[@aenxiety]

The new canon suggests (like the deleted scene from RotS where Palpatine straight up confesses this to Anakin) that Palpatine actually created Anakin. I feel like it’s very much up for interpretation and debate, especially with one of the writers of that comic saying that’s not what it’s meant to mean but then others disagree. Point being, I like the idea that Anakin was as powerful as he was because he was made to be Palpatine’s perfect apprentice and that the Jedi were too blind to see that he was creating a Sith Lord right in their own temple. He gave Anakin everything, took it all away (I also like the idea that Palpatine siphoned Padme’s life force to save Vader and that’s why she died), and blamed it all on the Jedi. If the Jedi would’ve simply let go of their dogma, Anakin could’ve been the Chosen One they were looking for, but, instead, they had just as much of a hand in creating Darth Vader as anyone else. Their fear of the Sith brought about their suffering, and I think that’s very poetic.

[@aenxiety]

Oh also I’ve seen people theorize that Palpatine is the one that gave Anakin the vision of Padme dying in childbirth too. Just something else to think about

[@05goode]

Plagues made Anakin

[@aenxiety]

@@05goode that’s legends now though isn’t it? I believe the Marvel Darth Vader comics changed it to Palps making Anakin

[@100StarWars]

It's an interesting debate too!

[@hfjtrytry9216]

@@aenxiety it didnt change anything? It was a force vision he saw in the comics and as we know that can be manipulated so cannot be taken as canon, the writer of the comic himself said the same thing.

[@Trylen]

I agree with the concept of Anakin was one who was chosen, but Revan was one who chose. The question I often wondered was never if Revan was a chosen one.. rather since Revan did become one with the force and Anakin was born of the force, reincarnation. Energy that was once, then cleansed to be again. This would both explain why there are so many similarities and so many differences. the similarities are kind of like the traits and/or memories that bled through from his time as Revan but the differences come from living in a new age and having a different life. Same energy, different experiences. Kinna helps when you have a different view of things and reincarnation is the ultimate looking back on something. "Seeing things with fresh eyes" takes on new meaning that way, or was it the original intent?

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Is revan the chosen one of the old Republic? Eh not really but he has a similar personality to Anakin but Revan is his own man overall ✅️.

[@Kaden10]

I can kind of see Revan being a sort of ancestor to Anakin, they're both very powerful beings. both basically had the fate of the Galaxy on their shoulders, both got married when it was forbidden by the Jedi (the code needs work) and are both complete bad asses.