Is Robert Saleh Coaching for his Job? | Cool Your Jets Podcast

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Ben Blessington and Michael Nania break down the New York Jets' brutal Black Friday loss to the Miami Dolphins. Are Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas on the hot seat? Who deserves more of the blame? Are the Jets stuck with Hackett?
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@theleastsignificantbit4794 10 ай бұрын

Going from the Fail Mary to the Saleh interview to the Saleh Colgate commercial is peak Jets. Sell the franchise. Fire everyone.

@davebriga 10 ай бұрын

The team is Never ,Never prepared and that's on coaching . Douglas is the Teflon GM

@richdubeau8009 10 ай бұрын

Normally I’m team Michael, but this one I’m mostly with Ben. Really like both of your analysis and calm reasonable takes. I do have to say that this will work out easier than we all think. I think it’s incredibly important to bring Rodgers back THIS season. This will tell you all the answers you need. If he can make this offense look average then we are good to go and can build on that with personnel upgrades. If the offense looks like trash then fire Hackett and Rodgers will have to deal with that or move on. Simple

@everlastingarms3065 10 ай бұрын

My thoughts mirror yours very closely. I also usually am Team M, but Ben is a voice of reason here. I'm on the fence about AR coming back this year, but emotionally, I just want to see it and experience it, even if it's for one game or one half. And I agree, even an average or something remotely resembling an average result gives hope and tells us running it back with him one more time is worth the roll of the dice. Anyway, good take.

@worththefight3000 10 ай бұрын

RS & JD have told us multiple times this year and last year it was basically all players they brought in. A.k.a. their team.!! RS coaches, an undisciplined football team. From stupid penalties, offsides, encroachment. his team also regularly has drive killers, holding late hits and they’re always at the worst time. I’ve never seen a player start the next week on the bench if he was a starter. John Franklin Meyer late hit last year against the patriots. He had something like it this year. He started both times the following week. Maybe if he doesn’t play the first quarter of the next two games he would stop doing it. If he’s worried about his feelings jerk him off in the locker room after the game. You can’t worry about somebody’s feelings and emotions when they make $15 million a year. The only thing that matters is production. E says well, he needs a quarterback. Shit any decent coach is going to win with a good quarterback, except it appears Brandon Staley. The meaning of a good coach is mostly tied to a good quarterback. Bill Belichick greatest quarterback ever unless Tom Brady is not his quarterback and then he’s below average at best. But he’s an amazing defensive coordinator. A great coach is Bill Parcells he gets the most out of what he has. A great coach is MTomlinson no matter who’s under center he wins in Pittsburgh when he has a good quarterback he wins a lot more.

@peggyon1 10 ай бұрын

I am a Packer fan and a new Jets fan (I follow Aaron). This is by far my favorite podcast and appreciate the objective, deep analysis. I do, though, feel that you might not quite get the powerful effect Rodgers is having on the decision-makers. He is very willful and has never admitted to his role in any type of failure both on the Packers nor the Jets. My guess is that Saleh is ready to fire Hackett but knows Rodgers will crucify him w/Woody and on McAfee, etc. Aaron feels he is the OC and he 'doesn't need another offensive mind. Hackett's role with Rodgers is to provide nurturance and emotional support, like a brother , father or uncle; Rodgers doesn't look to him for play-calling. Rodgers would butt heads with any new OC-guaranteed. A bit of history w/Rodgers: He is 10 years estranged from his family of origin. (I side w/him on that one) and he doesn't have his own family so he relies100% on friends. He can't or won't perceive the friends on the team objectively. Cobb is a de facto brother, so is Boyle, Lazard, Hackett and so on. Saleh is aware of this entire phenomenon which is why he proceeds very carefully; look @ how long it took to bench Rodger's 'brothers', Cobb & Lazard (and Uzomah-another BFF). It's a political quagmire.

@FELiPES101 10 ай бұрын

The front office could ignore all of that though because it's not like Rodgers is going to give them 4 or 5 years of play. In 2 years it is highly likely that HC and GM are gone and new staff are drafting a new QB with AR retired.

@peggyon1 10 ай бұрын

@@FELiPES101 I think Woody likes the 'relevance' he brings; the razzle-dazzle, Prime-Time slots, etc. Rodgers has made Woody a lot of $$$. (That will likely continue next year)

@PeterAllen09 10 ай бұрын

Ben, the continuity argument? Seriously? Dude, you're a smart guy, but that argument is old and tired and provably wrong as a way to manage your team. Come on, man

@JetsXFactor 10 ай бұрын

Yea you're right...it’s cliche. I should’ve said patience instead of continuity (I advocated to make other staff / front office changes). I think they've had enough success (2022 draft / 7-4 w no QB / Rodgers trade) that gives you justification to try to see him and Saleh’s vision through for 1 more year. Especially since the defense has been a top tier unit for 2 years with absolutely no help. I just want to see the vision with Rodgers and retooled offense before we tear it down...which is the likely scenario given how much money they've invested. -Ben

@scratchlegba2944 10 ай бұрын

Salah gets all the blame .. he was hired knowing that the team was drafting a QB with their first round pick , who did Salah bring in to develop him ? A offensive assistant that had ZERO play calling experience ZERO experience working with Quarterbacks.. this was Salahs primary task .. you need to get this right , JD was at fault by not dedicating every draft /free agency addition to building around your Rookie QB but the majority of the responsibility falls on Salah he assembled the staff & he told JD what he wanted as far as players & their importance to the teams success

@orrinfullerton4933 10 ай бұрын

Sounds like the same plan the Hou Texans used. Demeco Ryans brings in a first time OC whose only experience was as a passing game coordinator. That appears to be working quite well.

@Chrisd0ntmiss 10 ай бұрын

@@orrinfullerton4933exactly.

@slowrunner14 10 ай бұрын

Robert Saleh and JD should be putting out their resumes for their next jobs. The only guy on the entire staff who should be retained is Jeff Allbricht. THESE GUYS HAVE NOT CHANGED THE JETS CULTURE! The defense gave up in the second half of the game and on the Hail Mary Pass Garrett Wilson was the only guy making a half-hearted attempt to tackle Holland. This team is PUTRID ON OFFENSE.

@worththefight3000 10 ай бұрын

And if the new GM smart, he’ll look to trade Garrett Wilson. Because there’s no way he’s gonna stay on this dumpster fire franchise he’ll have one year of good quarterback play if Aaron Rodgers comes back next year and stays healthy out here and that’s 25% at best. And they could get two ones for Garrett or definitely a one and a two, but probably two ones because you can secure him for four more years with Fier option and a franchise tag.

@Chrisd0ntmiss 10 ай бұрын

Brant Boyer and a few positional coaches should be retained as well

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Ive only been booing Saleh for two years

@Ralph_Malph 10 ай бұрын

Joe Douglas failed to sign a real backup QB. Joe Douglas signed Hackett. Joe Douglas needs to face the camera and explain....

@TheHighlanderprime 10 ай бұрын

A real backup QB will fail with this offense, specially with Hackett at the helm.

@Chrisd0ntmiss 10 ай бұрын

Joe Douglas “hired Hackett” hahaha . What GM “hires” an OC? Whenever there is a vacancy on a HCs staff the HC is the one who picks their guy… not the GM

@peggyon1 10 ай бұрын

Woody gave Rodgers the keys to the castle, Woody allowed for Hackett & Cobb & Lazard and so on-anything to keep his Majesty happy. Packers could have warned him.

@stevenjames1138 10 ай бұрын

After the game, I was in the "Fire Everyone!" camp. Upon further consideration, however, I have to reluctantly admit that they really have to give Joe D and Saleh next year with Rodgers to see how things can go. Besides, it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face to take a hard line with Rodgers. We have to ride next year to see what happens. Everyone gets a mulligan for 2023, but no playoffs next year, then the Jets definitely should clean house! No excuses! If Rodgers gets injured again, too bad. He's old.

@noland7827 10 ай бұрын

The contrast in coaching between McDaniels (17-11) & Saleh (15-31) couldnt be more clear in that game. Remember the Fins moved on from Flores who was failing Tua/the offense. The Jets need to adopt the new trend of the NFL, with OC's making better HCs (McVay, Reid, etc winning SBs lately).

@TheHighlanderprime 10 ай бұрын

Agreed! Mcdaniels looked like he was actually coaching the offense and they were moving the chains. Whereas coach Saleh looked like a bystander watching a car crash.

@Powernab 10 ай бұрын

Saleh 15-31

@BenCasperOwens 10 ай бұрын

Our H.C.& Mr Joe d. Has to "GO"...give bill belichek a call if we "can" by NFL rules it'll be a great way for him to get back at Mr kraft to help us get our offensive act together!!! "Dang woody Johnson & Joe d. can you guys wake up already & admit that you make bad choices all the dam time!!!! Come on mann!!!! Been a nyj fan since 1980

@josephmorales4289 10 ай бұрын

Jets allow 21 points against Patriots in 51 seconds on 3 turnovers on Thanksgiving in 2012. Marino fakes a spike. Jets Sal Alosi trips Nolan Carroll from the Dolphins and gets fired. Miami scores on a Hail Mary pass pic6 that goes 100yds. Jets are basically a reality show that performs in the NFL. Again, you can't make this bullshit up 😳😮😂

@seeingghosts 10 ай бұрын

Lots of stuff can be true at same time. JD did some good drafting. He is terrible at free agent signings. Saleh is not a good HC but he is a good defensive mind. Real good HCs in the NFL do not get to go home and rear their 7 kids. Usually they have rough personal lives bc they are never around. That sounds mean but I am pretty sure it is accurate. He probably hates being an HC at this point. If there is change, which there should be but there won't be, it would have to be the whole staff south of Woody. Rogers, in my opinion, is Woody's doing. It worked and got his crappy teams Hard Knocks, lots of national games, and media attention. The rest is Joe Douglass. Please start over now instead of making us wait for 2025. That way the next GM can pick his own rookie QB this upcoming year when Jets pick in top 5. We experience this as fans over and over. This current concoction of a front office and staff clearly does not work.

@jonjonr4788 10 ай бұрын

Why the Rodgers Strategy was an evidently dumb idea *in real time* (not hindsight, real time): it was justified and sold on the basis of a crushingly idiotic risk/benefit analysis. The widely advertised upshot of "credible top-of-the-conference contention" was probably a 95th-plus percentile outcome, whereas everything below a 50th (ish) percentile outcome was the kind of cataclysmic downside that we're seeing now (namely, the utter annihilation of the team's competitive prospects for the next 2-3 years). That's the kind of gamble that smart, creative leadership would never, ever make.

@davebriga 10 ай бұрын

Jet fans should boycott the stadium . Overcharged for tickets and food to watch the unwatchable. They only go there to party and get drunk

@lesspam6601 10 ай бұрын

Letting Rogers pick a new HC. Woody letting Rogers run the show is how we got here. My god, that is a bad idea.

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Miami lost big time with the 5th or 6th Achilles injury on the cheap team owners stadium. Sell the team time boys

@jonjonr4788 10 ай бұрын

In order to grasp the ruinous failure of Robert Saleh + understand why he'll NEVER lead this team anywhere, you've gotta ask yourself a simple question: "what would I expect of a clever, highly competent executive in an analogous situation?" Wouldn't you hope that he'd forcefully, vehemently advocate for a smarter approach to the backup QB position? Wouldn't you hope that he'd insist on the aggressive pursuit of eminently available O-line depth (Risner, Cleveland, Josh Jones, Jason Peters)? Wouldn't you want him to make far better offensive coaching hires? Wouldn't you want him to be far smarter/more proactive re: snap allocation/roster management (see: Duane Brown, Mekhi, Tippmann, Ruckert, Izzy, Huff, McDonald, etc)? Wouldn't you expect him to take prompt, vigorous, innovative measures to correct the team's abysmal procedural malfunctions (e.g., penalties, communication)? Wouldn't you want him to order - and indeed oversee/manage - far more aggressive efforts to upgrade the offense on a week-to-week basis? In every case, Saleh has either not done these things, not done them well, or not done them quickly enough. There are only 32 of these jobs in the world. The idea that you can't find somebody who'd check these boxes better than Saleh insults everybody's intelligence.

@derekobergfell9295 10 ай бұрын

It's not only on Saleh for on field issues. Saleh could have easily made the decision to bring in a competent QB the moment Rodgers went down. Superstar QB? No. But someone who with this defense could win us games. Wentz didn't need to give up anything. Who has been up and down but 10 times better than what we had. Or if we made a trade I think heinicke is a lot better than people give him credit for.

@TheHighlanderprime 10 ай бұрын

You missed the point like most fans; any QB will fail with his supporting cast. Maybe a higher floor QB backup wins one more game; maybe even two. The Jets would still be bad.

@Chrisd0ntmiss 10 ай бұрын

Saleh brought Hackett on his staff when so many better options were available. 100% on him

@worththefight3000 10 ай бұрын

The only chance this franchise has of turning it around, long-term in the near future, is bringing in an offensive minded genius to be the head coach and a GM. He’s on the same page with. Let them draft whatever quarterback they want and hope he can hit. With the caveat they don’t win another game that’s why you fire everybody now and honestly the stupidest coach we have the rest of our games. You bring in the least qualified guy we have, and make him head coach with the understanding he hast to play Tim Boyle the rest of the way because we want to give him a real look.😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉😉. Because at four games, we have a chance for a top five pick maybe if we win one more game or two more games that puts us somewhere between five and 12

@belhariry 10 ай бұрын

Oh well, there's Madden 23.

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Only problem is Saleh isnt a coach

@davidjackson2832 10 ай бұрын

Only one problem? That's great news

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

@@davidjackson2832 you heard it here first

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Do you like Fields? Jets can get him

@deesizzley 10 ай бұрын

Lets Arod come back this year and see what the offense looks like. Make a decision at year end based on that.

@richdubeau8009 10 ай бұрын

I have been screaming this. Exactly why it’s so important for Aaron to come back this year. We need to see if this will work

@TheHighlanderprime 10 ай бұрын

You guys keep focusing on ZW being a bad pick. How do you make that determination when the pick went to the worst team in the league that was bound to destroy his development? Until Zach Wilson goes to another team and fails like Sam Darnold did, you can’t conclude that because he played badly with a team that largely contributed to him playing badly, you can’t definitively conclude that he is a bust.

@JohnnyHector17 10 ай бұрын

I usually like your commentary but this is just click bait and you know it. The coach and G.M. and the OC are going nowhere.Arod wants them here period.. Save your breath.Stop fabricating stories

@rez6541 10 ай бұрын

Losing with competence is acceptable but losing with incompetence is not. Saleh is a great DC but as a HC he's terrible. The excuse of he's a defensive guy holds no water. If you want to be a HEAD coach then you are responsible for everything.

@Mike-ge7pe 10 ай бұрын

For me, this all starts and ends with the o-line, and the blame can be spread amongst Joe D, Saleh, and Lafleur. They hired MLF to operate the zone run scheme, putting emphasis on mobility while forgoing size. That lack of size and strength has led to a lack of durability. AVT and McGovern are both under 310 lbs, Tippmann just north of that number, but at 6’6”, he’d be considered thin for a lineman. That’s not conducive to being a durable o-lineman. Furthermore, with the run game being so deemphasized in the modern NFL, it becomes even more frustrating that their primary plan for the line had to do with their run scheme and not pass protection. Even their starters were not excelling in pass pro, and now they’re down to 3rd and 4th stringers playing tons of reps. The only success this offense has had in 3 years was against the 2 worst defenses they’ve faced in that time period, which just happens to have coincided with Mike White getting those starts against the Bears and Vikings. Against the Bills, he looked as mediocre as any QB they’ve put back there, until he predictably got hurt. With no line, Breece is hardly better than Cook, who looked no better than Carter, and the only QB who could stay healthy was the 6’6” 250 lb. granite statue Joe Flacco. Nothing can work behind a line that is this ill-equipped. I expect the coaches and GM back, but the philosophy as it pertains to the line must change, and I can’t see how it’s addressed in one offseason.

@TheHighlanderprime 10 ай бұрын

Biggest problem plaguing Jets fans have been unrealistic expectations. Unrealistic expectations that ZW was supposed to be an NFL ready QB year 2, despite his rawness, lower floor and terrible plan to develop him. Unrealistic expectations that both Saleh and Lafleur were supposed to also be instant high level coaches. Unrealistic expectations that despite the early signs that the team was out of synch, the team was playoff bound. I can go on and on …

@Sharp_Instincts 10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, the Jets are a year away from Rock Bottom, so next year will be even worse, and I'm an optimist. Aaron Rodgers will not last the whole year, we will sign 1 or 2 washed up OL that will be of no help, as too much of our money is allocated to Rodgers and Lazard and will prevent us from getting any of the top free agent OL. And what OL would want to come here, knowing that he is basically a one-man team with a bunch of retreads. Lazard juggles every ball he catches and drops more than anybody, perhaps he needs contact lenses, but you are not going to fix his hands at this age. Saleh prides his reputation on the DL rotation, and how it wears down the opponent, but he doesn't see that our opponent is doing that to us from the start, if you know the way to attack an offense is thru your DL, then you must know that the way to improve your own offense is thru the OL, it's ludicrous that we have all rejects playing on the OL. Can't wait to see how many draft picks we send to the Raiders to get Davante Adams, and how much his cap hit will be. And let me also condone the policy of drafting so many 23-24-year-old college players, they play well against 20-year-old college players, but they are already at their peak, and they will not improve much as the years go by. 2025 is when we start all over again.

@hurtisrussell846 10 ай бұрын

I think we as Jet fans give this coach and GM too much of a pass. They exhibit a bare minimum level of competence, which is something this franchise has lacked, but they are both bottom tier compared to any other NFL team. Joe D has whiffed on most of his draft picks, and his only good draft was one that had 2 top 10 picks and a third first rounder and a high 2nd. You should get good players with those picks. That’s not good general managing, that’s the very bare minimum expected of a GM. He did well to accumulate those picks, but he stripped the team down to the studs to do so and we still lack the necessary talent to compete today. Neither Saleh or Douglas have been good or even average, they’ve merely been not the worst. Fire them all. And if Aaron cries about it, let him retire to the Vikings.

@yerrrrr2981 10 ай бұрын

CYJ pod you couldn’t be more wrong. No coach or front office in the league gets constant mulligans for injuries bad qb play etc especially when your team gets embarrassed on offense every week. If you can’t win without one player then you’re toast. It seems almost comical to say. Rodgers is coming off a torn Achilles at 40 to expect him to come lead and better this offense to playoffs next year is really a sad hopeless dream we hope comes true. You gotta clean house after this year and if Rodgers doesn’t agree he can retire and we can start the rebuild sooner rather than later. To me this is not a question of what happens next year. This regime has had multiple seasons no playoff appearances still the longest drought in the league right now. You don’t get another year for that. Especially with the product you put on the field every week. It’s time to let this whole regime go. Stop depending on Rodgers. I find it laughable how we can sit here and just think that he’s gonna return to form next year and lead us to the playoffs. It’s wishful thinking, something that has burned this fan base. Let it all go start over get a gm who can build right and let chips fall where they may. Saleh and Douglas cannot get another year.

@billslocum9819 10 ай бұрын

In the NFL, you are almost always coaching for your job. At this point, Saleh is coaching for his next job.

@BenCasperOwens 10 ай бұрын

Yeah your right Joe d.should go before Robert! Robert S. Never had any good QB play...infest in the o-line for sure too!!!

@alisontuckwab6711 10 ай бұрын

Where are you watching the Packers when he was with them yet Lisa The got him to the Playhouse and failing to get to the run to the trophy president Lions field to get there themselves so they had to make sure they knocked them all to🌺🌺🌺🌺 that’s what he said he’s one year because of the injury he took he went to Wanye instead of what he said only thing he listens to any coaches he does his own way but if you would listen to the coach I bet he would’ve got the Packers to the Super Bowl but Aaron is a bonehead and wanna do it his way 🌺🌺🌺🌺

@alisontuckwab6711 10 ай бұрын

I just got one thing to say A rod and his friend was just trying to get the Jets somewhere where they were sitting and sitting when they were just trying to get the team somewhere then the wants to fire everyone I don’t know about everyone but maybe Aaron and his friends then they just feel like leaving and just leave the Jets were they found them and gone and not even give a try when they wanted to move the Jets were they have been trying trying trying and then they come in and try transfer in her room self didn’t fail trying to get the team. Then hurt himself paoffthe and whate and then he’s trying to work on his injury just to get this team back on track Cham is going nowhere he suggests what time is Angie coming back next year and Louis team what he wants to go trying to do it on his back he really wants to try and get this team to the playoffs and their first Super Bowl from him and Ashlea to the Jets 🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺

@orrinfullerton4933 10 ай бұрын

Nania, come on, RS doesnt deserve credit for the defense!?!?! Now you are completely off the rails.

@mizzo9 10 ай бұрын

I’d like to see how Saleh does with Rodgers - or any good QB. Lots of these good offensive minded HC’s have good QB’s.

@larryholfelder976 10 ай бұрын

Jets are undisciplined. Saleh doesn't have that mindset. Too many mistakes on both sides of the ball.

@rool7956 10 ай бұрын

If Mahomes was knocked out for the year in game 1 and chiefs went 3-14 would Reid be fired?

@orrinfullerton4933 10 ай бұрын

Nania, then why were you clamoring for RS to be hired if the only way he could succeed is if he's an amazing coach?

@kevinluebke338 10 ай бұрын

It’s like Dungy with TB. Great defense but could not get the offense going.

@kevinluebke338 10 ай бұрын

Saleh is a great communicator and culture builder but he has no understanding of offense.

@dutch8357 10 ай бұрын

Y'all eating him up wit da teeth thing n make it worst he ain't coaching thur an timeour or wen ever is crazy doe

@dedrickdavis464 10 ай бұрын

Picket!! Boycott!! Burn gear!! Let's get their attention!

@davebriga 10 ай бұрын

All authority must be taken away from Rodgers. He is part of the disaster!

@Sherbb784 10 ай бұрын

JDs horrible roster management is a huge issue. If saleh is gone so should the gm

@tonyoh4918 10 ай бұрын

Another qb wins the NE, LA Chargers and Raiders

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Im starting my first game on national tv in ny and my oc is up in the booth

@jamesbuckley8917 10 ай бұрын

How about getting an Oline man before the trading deadline?

@tonyoh4918 10 ай бұрын

Ben what are u smoking? Another qb gets at least 3 wins

@lprinsky2356 10 ай бұрын

Salah shuts off after the bye week! Since last year its the case

@mikec.8556 10 ай бұрын

Woody Johnson hates jets fans stop supporting him

@jamesbuckley8917 10 ай бұрын

How about signing a QB after Rodgers goes down?

@1993NYC 10 ай бұрын

Re Ben’s point: Continuity at the HC spot means nothing in the league. The Texans proved that this past year. If you have a QB and a coaching staff that can coach offense, that’s what matters. The Jets have neither.

@Mirages007 10 ай бұрын

Colts are also proving it this year.

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Please dont encourage Saleh

@kevinluebke338 10 ай бұрын

Yeah make Hackett the QB coach and get a new OC.

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

Rodgers needs to go

@Brian-zp1df 10 ай бұрын

3#1 picks for a qb

@everlastingarms3065 10 ай бұрын

Ben asks, "Who else is out there?" I'm for bringing in someone with actual winning experience as a HC in the NFL. In the past, when they became available, I wanted Reid, McCarthy, Quinn, Pederson.... and I inevitably got shouted down ("HE SUCKS!"). I'll probably get shouted down ("HE SUCKS!"), but three dudes with actual winning experience in the NFL that are out there are Jim Caldwell, Marvin Lewis, and Rex. None is perfect, but each has shown an an actual real demontrable ability to put a competent staff together, and lead real NFL teams to winning seasons more than once. One of the other frequent remarks is "what good coach would want to come to the Jests?" Caldwell, Lewis, and Rex have all expressed interest in getting back in. The Jests would represent that opportunity with a competent defense to start with. Go get one of them, and let it fly.

@everlastingarms3065 10 ай бұрын

Inevitably, if you suggest someone with experience, someone says, "retread". If you suggest some hot coordinator type, someone says, "not another rookie. I say get the "retread" with winning experience.