is RUSH really PROG? + Epic Rant about Youtube

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Sorry about the silence at the start, I originally had 'Tom Sawyer' playing but KZbin put a copyright on the video I had to remove it.
Also...I call 'Fountain of Lamneth' by the title 'Foutain of Limneth' which comes a cassette I had of 'Archives' where the title was misspelled and forty years it has stuck.
Andy is a drummer, producer and educator. He has toured the world with rock legend Robert Plant and played on classic prog albums by Frost and IQ.
As a drum clinician he has played with Terry Bozzio, Kenny Aronoff, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman and Mike Portnoy.
He also teaches drums privately and at Kidderminster College

[@christophercheney1006]

I'm a music nerd that hates lists, I effing hate them. All of those Rush records from the 80's that everyone "hates" are fucking awesome! Are they "prog"? Hell if I know, but I love them and they inspire and motivate me. Because they always went full on and always believed in what they were doing.

[@halcyon289]

Yes .

[@CharlesAustin]

This is getting good Andy: we all felt that fearant.. Awesome.. viva Rush !!

[@dtltmtgt]

Most proggy and my personal favorite album they ever made. Great video, I do wonder of Power Windows isn't a little more Prog than Grace Under Pressure?

[@buddhabillybob]

"The power of Rush on adolescent boys..." Amen, brother.

[@alexfadista]

Maybe that's why I find them just ok, first time I listened to them I was about 20-25.

[@jamescastelli]

Question: do they WANT to be considered prog, and do their fans WANT to consider them as such? After their first album they definitely had a prog phase/era. but subsequently they retained some degree or elements of prog, but whether or not they were always prog, that seems to be an opinion.

[@merlinman7300]

Nope it's classic rock/AOR

[@herculesrockefeller8969]

NO. A band that puts out a 20 minute song called "The Fountain of Lamneth' is not prog, they are definitely R&B. C'mon, Andy.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I think they are Prog Hercules, but many comment that they are not. I explore a point they have which I think is sort of valid

[@interstellaroverdriven6450]

Too funny!!! I was gonna say go-go or trip hop but R&B works here!!! Labels are so bleeping silly but it is good click bait.

[@ELPCOTILLION-SD1970]

Of Course They're Progressive Rock... That's Like Asking If EMERSON LAKE & PALMER & YES Are Progressive Rock...

[@seaoftranquilityprog]

You hit the nail on the head...as someone who has been doing this YT thing for close to a decade, people watch what is comfortable and familiar to them. If we only did all those obscure topics that deep down we really want to create, our channels would die a swift death. Folks who complain that we all talk about Yes, Genesis, Rush, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and Zeppelin too much, they don't understand that for 90% of the audience, that's all they want to hear about.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Ha ha...yes, hit the nail on the head. And of course you are still a big inspiration for this channel!

[@seaoftranquilityprog]

Thanks Andy!

[@jmj8596]

hi Pete ... and of course ... SOT was what lead me here 🙂

[@richardthurston2171]

Hard pressed to think of a homelier looking band. But they make up for that with some of the worst vocals ever recorded.

[@charlescoleman6896]

What threw me was realizing that people classed Jethro Tull as a prog band. That is totally reasonable, but, for some reason, I never thought of them that way, I suppose I saw them as just their own genre

[@alanmatthew5713]

Gene Simmons said it best. "What kind of band is Rush? It's RUSH!"

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

Sorry, but for me the track " Hemispheres" is monotonous and lacking the dynamics and intricacy of other prog- Rush tracks.

[@gusalden]

An idea just popped into my head. How about a top ten compilation of Andy's Proggiest Rants? This one left me feeling like I've just listened to an epic prog album. I think it's a contender for the list.

[@scotteagles4864]

OH! You had me in tears talking about Rush and adolescent boys. All so true! 🤣 Chomsky really schooled Morgan. So satisfying. And that, folks, is why Chomsky has been marginalized by mainstream media for literally years. I'd happily watch a video starring Andy Edwards on the influence of post-modern thought on music. Hup to, lad!

[@nectarinedreams7208]

People need to understand that 1983 prog CANNOT sound like 1973 prog. Prog is a reaction to whatever is happening in music at any given time, so of course prog must change considerably over time.

[@ambientideas1]

There are few of us here in Canada, everyone seems to know everyone, like living in a vast stretched out small town. So I called Geddy in Toronto last night, cuz I’m Canadian and I know everyone here. First thing he said was, “who is this Andy guy, he’s not Canadian obviously…” and went on to say, “no, we were never a prog band per se. We were more of a power rock trio with neo-prog-fusion tendencies and a flair for pre-post-synth pop.” I guess that settles it. You’re welcome.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

What does he know?

[@fcamiola]

​@@AndyEdwardsDrummerlol

[@nectarinedreams7208]

Except Power Rock Trio isn't a genre

[@RocknJazzer]

@@nectarinedreams7208 it basically is, or was in 60s 70s. Cream, hendrix, james gang, mountain, grand funk, blue cheer, trower, etc. Hard blues rock basically were the main power trio groups, and that is where rush came from originally, then added prog into the mix but were never pure prog themselves

[@chukrock]

@AndyEdwardsDrummer ask for an interview opportunity or introduction.

[@Pcrimson1]

You crack me up. I'm a little older than you (63). When I was in my early teens, to get inoculated from girls and the rest of society, there was one band above them all...King Crimson. It took over 40 years to get my wife to admit she likes them because I brain washed her. Being a prog snob, I always give the Rush fans a pass. However, when I see another guy (and it's always a guy), in a Crimson T-shirt, I give them a knowing nod of approval to signify our common knowledge of great music only knowledgeable men would know...

[@lamecasuelas2]

I think they aré prog buut, i could never get into Them, for me they lack the flirth with More exotic influences , Avant Garde, music concrete, etc.

[@Truthinshredding1]

I came back to say i can hear where you are coming from. I guess they are the god fathers of technical metal. It just i followed a lot of UK prog and most us rooted in Genesis, the very thing that Rush isnt.

[@naybortfm6531]

This is entertaining. Showing emotion to this subject is exciting. This guy has introduced me to artists and music I would have never have heretofore considered.

[@thekeywitness]

Andy in a “flow state” is what I watch for 😂

[@jacobvanzanten]

"Who wants to hear me going on about Foucault and Derrida ..."🖐🖐🖐🖐🖐🖐🖐

[@donaldfrazell9540]

Still asking is Traffic? Or jazz fusion though based on RandB. Sloppy, not as bad as Tull who I prefer to Prog as proto Peter Gabriel. Ugh in the colonies.

[@fcamiola]

Great video mate! I love Rush! I love jazz! I love prog! I love Jon Poole! I love Cardiacs! I love Alex, Geddy, and Neil! Cheers.

[@GJP1169]

Keep doing what you do don't sell yourself short . You content is quite enjoyable just don't get a big head where you can't get out the door

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Can I use the phrase 'quite enjoyable' in my marketing?

[@GJP1169]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer YES there's no copyright on it

[@davedavid7061]

​@AndyEdwardsDrummer how about using "I don't hate his videos"?

[@Mister_Jahn]

Loving this and subscribed... I will argue that Rush and Genesis are top tier precisely because they cross genres. It's the ability to cross over into other genres that makes a musical artist + many other types of artists as well reach the top tier of various genres. A lot of fans are overly concerned with what genre is something sits in (faction fetish) when in fact it's the ability to sample between disciplines that makes an artist interesting. Checking this chanel closely and mixing my first album in 24 years. It is likely very very prog, because I don't stay in my lane... Lol

[@janluszczek1223]

This was the shit Andy. I had a great time watching the rant. Screw the Rush rating part. You earned yourself a Patron.

[@roddmcleodable]

Andy - Grace under Pressure is prog as fuck. Red Sector A is a story song about escaping from a Nazi death camp. The Body Electric is a sci-fi song about an android (1001001) trying to achieve consciousness. Distant Early Warning has an odd time pre chorus. C'mon homes!

[@jelk1188]

No. Derivative, contrived, and relatively commercial. In spirit totally the opposite of progressive. Structure wise, certainly prog. Initially a bad copy of Zeppelin, then slowly turned into a good copy of bad Yes.

[@090nj2]

I don’t think people get it…… Prog means being progressive, pushing boundaries and moving forward right? so when Rush changed the sound in the 80s, isn’t that still being progressive??

[@deansusec8745]

Go to Rockfield! Neil Peart/ Rush AND Freddie Mercury/Queen were there!!!! Holy land

[@Truthinshredding1]

No they are not prog. You can take that to the bank. Rush are Rush.

[@SnowDogisVictorious]

In an interview last year with their friend, former CBC music journalist George Stroumboulopoulos, Geddy and Alex repeatedly referred to themselves as Metal musicians. With respect to your evaluation of Rush albums, I just have one problem: you didn’t provide your definition of progressive rock. There being no consensus definition, it would have been nice. Discarding Fly by Night and Caress of Steel on the basis that they weren’t successful is problematic because we don’t know how they weren’t successful in your opinion, presumably at being prog). Seems to me that if these two albums were intended to be progressive albums (which is certainly what the holy triumvirate said was their intent), then they count as progressive albums, whether you think they succeeded or not. So that gives you five albums. But I think there’s got to be one more: Clockwork Angels, if it’s the only conceptual album Rush ever did (so said Neil Peart), surely it ought to qualify as a prog album (or at least prog metal). Surely six albums is enough to qualify them as a progressive band. It just so happens that they were also other types of band too. Re: INCEL joke. Sorry, but not funny. Arguably insulting. Re: Doomsday Clock, are you telling us that you have lived what looks like about 60 years on this earth without hearing about it? Geesh. Insert wry smile here. Anyway, what do we expect from a bunch of left-leaning scientists? These guys were doing click bait before there was anything to click. Re: postmodernism… remember that thing I said about starting with a definition? Good luck with post-modernists on that very premise! PS - I pay for KZbin Premium, so no commercials for me.

[@stuartraybould6433]

Not particularly bothered. I've tried to get into Rush several times but I just find them boring, simple. I love King Crimson, early Genesis and Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP and many other prog artists so apparently I should like Rush but I don't. I find then utterly unoriginal and therefore, totally boring and the vocals are awfully irritating. So prog or not, they're just OK but not that good.

[@warmeggs]

Wow Andy-you could make my grannie's left leg Prog-I would unsubscribe if you weren't so entertaining /bemusing.I just watched our last cat die this morning,listening to this,after his week long battle with what the Thai vet said was C and HIV..his name was John 'Jet' Rutsey..guess what our previous 3 cats were called.. that's right!! E L and P ! Cheers-Geordie Dave (home for Christmas) xx

[@chrisdelisle3954]

What do you mean, "there's no quality to these videos?" By "quality," do you mean "production" or something? Who cares about quality! We want the truth and you spit nothing but truth. I feel like I'm in the same maelstrom as your rant - I'm sure a lot of people feel like they're in that storm. Just keep doing what you're doing.

[@tixximmi1]

There really isn't any definition of what Prog is. So it's moot. I've had many people try to give an explanation but it never works out or the definition is 17 pages long. So is Rush Prog? We don't even know what Prog is.

[@lupcokotevski2907]

Blues Run the Game by Jackson C Frank. That might make the algorithm stop for a second!

[@jameschavez6400]

When you turn the camera what I was thinking -David byrn -you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack 🤔🤣

[@adam872]

Bahahaha, that was glorious. But Rush rule though. Their 80's albums that started to veer away from prog(tm) are their best era IMHO.

[@halcyon289]

Bloody hell Andy you're going bald . Said no one ................ever

[@jameschavez6400]

What do you suppose sidetracked in the first place your students from a farewell to kings -do you remember 1987 whennRun d m c did walk this way and rap started taking over with band&slbum suddenly started following a short shelf life inherent in the fast fad world of rap

[@seed_drill7135]

Let's face it, the only reason I consider myself a prog fan is for the non prog songs on the albums, if you're going to be that pedantic in your definition of "what is prog." I like Fragile because it has Roundabout. I don't much care for Tales because it has nothing I can recall the title of.

[@musicman70707]

I agree with your list, except I would put Hemispheres at #1 and AFTK at #2.

[@yourdogsnews]

ROFL Rush created incel culture. Is that what happened to me......

[@warrenbutson349]

Farewell to kings & Hemispheres total prog rest is debatable. They were a progressive band for much of their career

[@peterwoodhouse4314]

"I'm turning into Rick Beato!" As the saying goes, Andy, you win today's internet!

[@NickyByloo]

All that said, I still think Power Windows is underappreciated.

[@colinburroughs9871]

It's got a concept, the music is intricate, there's plenty of soloing and virtuosity. It's prog adjacent if nothing else. You could talk me into it being their best

[@christopherdanesi6050]

I watched this on 1.5X. Made it even more frantic and hilarious, I laughed hard when you panned to the unkept shrub, it all makes sense now.

[@audiotomb]

Rush Xana(did)do prog Nailed it with the English estetique

[@stereofidelic67]

Maybe a bit left-field for this channel, but have you ever covered Nick Drake?

[@johnburton894]

Rush are in a category of their own utterly unique.

[@warrenbutson349]

Loving the rant. More of this please you don’t have to have a list you have been a very talented musician and that is not required in music today. This happened in 1977 but only in Uk. In 2023 the talent is the producer and they also write the songs. This is just the charts. Great musicianship is alive and strong but not in the charts. New Rock is dead sadly the world is slowly discovering the past so in 19 years we will see it all return as kids like 2112 will discover how to play it once again

[@scott4482]

Rush defies categorization, a hard rock band that dipped into progressive ideas and influences, but only a couple of songs could really be called progressive. Neil said it best I think, " all along we just wanted to make music that pleased us, and we hoped it pleased other people too".

[@nectarinedreams7208]

Rush don't defy categorisation. They're prog.

[@DSM9]

Great watch. Laughed out loud at your 'Rush and girls' comment. As a fan of the band since 1980 - but thankfully not 'incel' - the girlfriends/long-term partners I've had since then have universally hated Rush 😅

[@John-k6f9k]

My mother liked Rush. Not to the point of actually listening to an album but if I played a Rush album on the stereo she might occasionally ask "is that Rush?" in an approving tone. She had no preconceptions about that band, I don't think she even knew what they looked like.

[@terrywachter]

This video in itself is a Rush album. You have the poppy viewer friendly ranking side, then the full-on non-linear progressive rant epic side.

[@cafe.cedarbeard]

Great one! Oh the grumbles! I swear for us born in the before the 1980's pack things are different than just the normal shift of the generations. Planned obsolescence, the religion of garbage dumps is part of the deal, maybe at the roots of the problem. We're trained by the minions of the programming department like the rock journalists who write like their opinions are sacrosanct to chuck the past in favor of the new candy flavors, a dumb down on a slippery slope to the crap that passes for 'music' these days. Garbage is everything in consumer society. We trash everyone who vibes differently. We throw away things that break cause these days you can't even repair things. As to your point about Prog saving music from an even earlier death, Punk like a zombie horde if left alone without elders to put up some barriers to their immature wanking and screaming and Captain Caveman drumming: Robert Fripp gave Blondie a jolt of discipline that elevated their craft. Then he did the same with Bowie, Talking Heads. 70's Prog cats get together and do Asia, Yes in suits and 80's dos, yet none of the pop kids did quite the high skill scene changes that Rabin Yes have done. The great thing about all the recordings is we have sonic memories in vivid detail that are already enabling some kids to take it in and learn the Craft in a new way. More people are waking up to how trashy our modern society has become. Via recordings I took in Rush in the late 80's. Kiss was my first concert, then I took up electric bass. I learned one bass line from Gene; War Machine. Then I took up following Steve Harris by playing along with him on my turntable and bass guitar. When I felt I could do everything in his skill set bass wise I took up following Geddy Lee. It wasn't long before I totally lost interest in Kiss what with so many great prog bands to explore. Primus! From my side of the world. Xanadu certainly got to Steve Harris. Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a Rock lyric synopsis of a poem by the same author, Samuel Taylor Coleridge. As long as those of us who remember playing music before 1996 when Bill Clinton signed the consolidation of media that upped the energy on the garbage dump feeders we have the codes intact in way where they can still be taught to the young of our time.

[@chrisdover2634]

I would disagree with Clockwork Angels, it’s definitely a prog album. If anything it’s Rush’ only ‘proper’ prog album. There’s a constant theme and story running through it. I started as a hard core prog Rush fan, but I love all of it. Even the weaker albums have got great things about them . Time Stand Still from Hold your Fire is one of my all time favourites, the sentiment in the song has really changed my view on life, especially since having children. Anyways, just stumbled across your channel, I’ll be back. Keep it up man 🤘🏻

[@davidgill2520]

Hello from Montreal, I agree with you. With Rush you'll always find something people will like. We have to keep them relevant and in our conversations. All the best.

[@jfilo3]

"YYZ" is the best prog instrumental ever? It's not even the best Rush prog instrumental. That belongs to "La Villa Strangiato."

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

If you are going to be silly then my vote now goes for Didacts and Narpets

[@brendaneyremusic]

Took me years to fully appreciate Rush, it all seemed very dense musically, not much light or shade,being a 3 piece it was big chords & fiddly bits, but lacking in a real variety of melody/moods.Until that is, they introduced more keyboards (and Geddy adjusted his vocal tone somewhat),this brought welcome depth of sound and atmosphere, and by Moving Pictures i was hooked.I dont see the immediate Prog label,but they are a very decent heavy rock/pop band with proggy overtones.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes, there is a big change with Farewell to Kings

[@metalhos]

good take overall, imho you've nailed the 10 most "proggy" ones, just one aspect i think you overvalue - the "english aesthetic", it seems you rank this aspect higher than "innovation". i often ask myself how on earth bands still get labelled "prog" while they are just wallowing lazy in the bed of early days prog moments and playing around with already born ideas, concepts and sounds. imho there's nothing "progressive" with that and an "english aesthetic" wouldn't help those album towards being more "proggy" either. what was called prog in 70s/80s because it was new and innovative back then, isn't necessary prog anymore if you simply just do the same today. to me, that's "copy".

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I would argue FTK is the more innovative in a way, It is when Neil adds all the percussion and Geddy really starts bringing in the Keyboard sounds. Hemespheres is just so well played and really nails the aesthetics of prog metal.

[@adude9882]

Great vid Andy, but mate, are you ok? You seemed to have a bit of a mini meltdown there about half way through to tell you the truth I thought I was watching an out take from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest or something. Plus I was a bit disappointed that your mum didn't phone as usual to ask you to.pick up some bread on your way over to see her. As for breaking the 4th wall I dunno about Brecht more like Oliver Hardy if you ask me cus you're getting to be neatly as funny without trying. Keep em coming mate, we're all doing our best to cope in this crazy world ;)

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes....every time life gets that bit much I switch the camera on. Bit like that first scene in Apocalypse but more British....

[@eoinjennings519]

Clockwork Angels is prog metal and their only full end to end concept album - would have it much higher

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes...forgot to mention that...

[@duringthemeanwhilst]

there is a BBC documentary about Rockfield and the 2 brothers who founded it out there somewhere

[@ultrasignificantfootnote3378]

I have built a machine that can measure the "progyness level " objectively , but we problem is , the interpretation of the read out is subjective.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I have one that is totally objective. It's called the Prog-ometer and I have used it on this channel many a time

[@FundamentalsUK]

Good rant Andy. 🤪 Rush are unique and have influenced all who came after

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Absolutely

[@CVGuitar]

22:33 lol hilarious Andy!

[@Andrew-q8k]

Standard definition of Prog, i think Deep Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin all have massive elements of Prog... Although obviously sounding very different to King Crimson ELP Yes Genesis etc

[@Kalprog]

Lots of fans have said " I kind of lost interest in Rush when they moved into the keyboard synth era". That's interesting because if you rewind back to the early 70s Prog was heavily influenced and defined by keyboard and synth sounds. Rush progressed musically just not in the way the average fan expected. Great video sir!

[@tixximmi1]

And '60s too.

[@splankhoon]

Speaking about jazz guitarists in the beginning, you've probably heard of Matteo Mancuso already?

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes...............

[@seanhumphreys]

I'm ya mate from Fareham Andy.. roughly your age , been in the US for 45 years. Rush's sound raised the bar so high, other music has been at a hault , Depeche Mode deserve their induction..

[@elbib2446]

as a youth,farewell to kings onward,i still thought of rush as a hard rock band with proggy influences

[@Tony-be4tl]

Less coffee mate 😂 Just kidding, keep up the good work

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Thanks, will do!

[@colinabboud4314]

That's got to be a wig

[@vcp93]

Is water wet?

[@rockstarjazzcat]

Oh dude, the incel folks are truly frightening in their perversely violent misogyny. Feeling quite protective of Rush in this moment. 😂

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

It was a joke really...I don't mean it

[@jt2112able]

Progginess good!!!

[@gregcarson3444]

I love it when you go off on a tangent and rant.

[@honiideslysses12]

I was listening to Starless and Bible Black one day and my friend said that it sounds like Rush. I had to tell him that it's more or less the other way around. Rush was a rock band with prog influences as Kansas and Styx were.

[@RushfanUK]

I've never thought of Rush as a prog band, there were always at the core a rock trio who experimented with their sound down the years.

[@nectarinedreams7208]

Rock trio isn't a genre

[@gilesglossop5071]

Thanks for sorting out that difficult proglem Andy. Totally with you in that rant too; my blood boiled when you told that account of your students saying that Rush were "cheesy". Atrocious. Loved the Brecht reference too.

[@chanjurban]

Here I am, a 48-year-old IT professional into Rush and just getting into Genisis, a bit anal retentive, and enjoy shopping for computer junk online. 🤣🤣🤣

[@marshmallow1680]

Love it...just when it couldn't get any better you break the fourth wall at the end...very Diderot. Oh and the stuff about Rush was cool too...

[@johnphillips8064]

ahahahaha love the rant

[@ChasingTone666]

Please don’t turn into Rick Beato please. I find him pretentious and phony, whereas you are a treat. Canada loves you Andy.

[@jfo3000]

Never thought of Rush as Prog. Always thought of them as "something else".

[@AndE667]

That's how most prog bands would describe themselves... The idea being to do something "out of the box"

[@robinhazell6019]

Gene Simmons called Rush 'Led Zepellin Junior"

[@paununs8719]

I totally agree with your Farewell to Kings assessment. I always thought of it as _the last time Rush sounded like Led Zeppelin_ haha. Btw I've just discovered your channel thanks to Sea of Tranquility and sir, you are the shit.

[@jerseyforhawks]

When are you going talk about the question posed? Ok, I'll answer - YES.

[@musterionsurly]

Can it be clickier can it be baitier you better believe it can, it's Andy Edwards 😂

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I have beaten this one with my video set for this Sunday. I do discuss the click baityness in my rant about KZbin so reserve your scorn

[@musterionsurly]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer haha no i was celebrating sorry i should have pointed out i'm not american i love your titles this is one of the few channels where i look forward to the video from the moment i see the title. carry on.

[@musterionsurly]

and i could never scorn someone who loves music as much as you do Andy. besides your a genius and a great drummer and my favourite musicologist :)

[@katskillz]

I am convinced that the accurate description of Rush is a hard rock band that dabbled in prog. They were never pure prog. I personally define prog as rock that drew quite heavily from the European "classical" traditions as well as free/modern jazz, with much lesser influence from American based blues rock. Rush meanwhile had their strongest roots in the 60s blues rock phenomenon, and even throughout their most epic "prog period" they still maintained that blues / hard rock ethos... Pretty much all those songs were still glued together by the almighty crunchy, catchy guitar riffs. Guitar solos still stayed in a pretty much blues based arena, and the drumming even as complex and "proggy" that it became, there was always something about Neil having an eye towards bombastic and catchy fills that indiciated he always had a bit of a showman in him. For that reason when one grew up in the late 70s and early 80s, the kids who had the hard rock record collections with the likes of AC/DC, Zep, etc would inevitably also include Rush. None of the true "prog" bands would be in that kind of collection.

[@RocknJazzer]

You mean british based blues rock. Early Rush was basically Led Zep, and Alex worshipped clapton in Cream, Page in Zep, etc. The blues rock boom took off because of Cream/Clapton mainly. Most all guitarists back then including from the US were heavily into claptons cream era, and to a lesser extent the bluesbreaker album. The UK rock take on blues fed it back to the US where it was mostly taken for granted, but from the UK perspective an exotic novelty

[@katskillz]

@@RocknJazzer Yep a big goof on my part. To be more precise, the proximate influence of British based blues rock, which ultimately drew mainly from and innovated on a contemporary/prior American tradition instead of European. Mainly.

[@robinhazell6019]

When I was sharing an office at a University in Thaialnd around 2012, I was playing XANADU from Exit Stage Left on KZbin, and my Dutch mate mae in jut a Alex Liefson wa plaing at the begining and he aked me 'Who is this?'. He was blown away.

[@eoinjennings519]

Rush innoculates you from girls - worked for me 😂

[@kgrant67]

I need the postmodernism video. I find it fascinating that I see lots of problems with postmodernism and the loss of narrative and truth and yet I am totally in love with postmodern literature. I love David Foster Wallace and Don Dellili and Pynchon. I would absolutely love a discussion a postmodern influence on rock music and I'm sure a substantial part of your audience would as well

[@grahamnunn8998]

Just listened to The Raconteurs podcast with Pete Shelley and Glen Matlock. Matlock points out that being working class is not a barrier to being an intellectual. Both were very post modern in their time. Had the pleasure of meeting Glen and he was a gentleman and way cooler than I expected. He also played a hell of a gig.

[@kgrant67]

@@grahamnunn8998 I will check it out!

[@neokio.f]

good idea hi5 there isnt just ProgRock in Rush Albums. But excellence in musicianship and they are developing characters like every human moves on his path, bands have to as well, I love to hear contents that grow with Zeitgeist. To me this drawers like hard- prog- rock is just whst we listeners need to talk about music with others. I always hsted this simplifying for our own confidence. So I do not use this anymore, as I did in earlier. I let 1 song speak and describe the form of the music. Progressive Rock as such has been stuff stuff like PlayBach, The Nice, Yes, early Genesis. It had to do with the way compositions are made, Much of form and theme development. And even Kate Bush fits there, despite tthe hits like Running up the hill, I still admire the way she does tell her tales. Its very serious work she did in compositions. Instruments, text, melody lines and bridges.

[@matthewkaste8553]

Are you channeling Stewart Lee? That was brilliant!

[@neokio.f]

forgot to say ... Rush does not fit into ProgRock, but they were progessive in music. Despite the way they turned to 4-5 min songs with intro, theme, chorus, theme2, chorus, solo or bridge and outro short or extra ending. I got lost in the last years, but whenever I listen to their music, even today, I can see there was still progression in their songs, either in themes or in band arrangement. I think it had to do with us, the listeners, who prefer to use music as a consumable, thats why the form had changed. Finally it is the creativity I do admire. btw Same goes for Peter Gabriel: I still thankhim for producing people like Mari Boine and many others in his Real World label. He has walked on a tremendous path, and still hasnt retired. because the times bring up alot new topics .. it requires individual creative artists to use uncommon ways to talk with us. Our attention is now more an assets and abilities, excellence sticks out, more then it was in times of LPs and VIVA or MTV, and we cant talk of new sounds today, but we can talk of new creative ways in text, melodies and form still.

[@acknowledgingourdiscontent]

If Rush were a UK band there would be no questioning them as a prog act by anyone haha that's all it really is about...

[@alexfadista]

I don't know about that. I may be wrong but I don't think they're that much more proggy than Queen or some of Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath's works. Almost every heavy rock bands embraced the prog movement in the 70s without being considered prog acts.

[@acknowledgingourdiscontent]

@@alexfadista Caress of Steel to Hemispheres...? Your final sentence is completely true, but in so far as 'prog' entails ripping off (mimicking) ELP, well, Caress of Steel through to Hemispheres is wholly that imo... HotH was proggy, sure Zep dabbled in it, Queen were very art rock, so were The Who. I can imagine someone making the case that Uriah Heap aren't prog, though where I would consider Rush 'prog-ier', for instance is via their instrumental virtuosity, time signature changes, lyrical priorities and, though this might be vaguely superficial, the consistency of their album artwork... If you don't consider them prog, fair enough, but to my ears Rush sound more like (Geddy's voice excepted tbf) ELP, Yes or Genesis (more so than Zep, Queen or Sabbath...)...

[@neokio.f]

And the men who hold high places Must be the ones who start To mold a new reality Closer to the heart Closer to the heart The blacksmith and the artist Reflect it in their art They forge their creativity Closer to the heart Yes closer to the heart Philosophers and ploughmen Each must know his part To sow a new mentality Closer to the heart Yes closer to the heart, yeah ... Thats what progession is all about, for ARTISTS creators in general We have to Roll the bones getting Closer to the heart. It is an individual and personal Mission. When I feel the powerful visions Their fire has made alive I wish I had that instinct I wish I had that drive Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Focused high on soaring ambitions Consumed in a single desire In the grip of A nameless possession A slave to the drive of obsession A spirit with a vision Is a dream with a mission Rush in all this years did a Marathon It's not how fast you can go The force goes into the flow If you pick up the beat You can forget about the heat More than just survival More than just a flash More than just a dotted line More than just a dash You can do a lot in a lifetime If you don't burn out too fast You can make the most of the distance First you need endurance First you've got to last

[@TheJohnmb46]

Xanadu was the track that got me into Rush! Not by Rush but by the great Hartlepool band White Spirit! Great mates and I still occasionaly bump into Janick Gers! Great guy!