Is Rust the New King of Data Science?

[@NoBoilerplate]

This is what it's all about, clear, useful Rust tutorial that also features pizza. Wonderful! Thanks for the shout out, too! 🙂

[@amjadiqbal478]

Nice to see your comments team No Boilerplate.🐯🙏🇵🇰

[@codetothemoon]

Tris - thanks for your support of the channel and all that you do for this fantastic CS KZbin community!

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@amjadiqbal478 Thank you! It's just me, Tris, though!

[@NoBoilerplate]

@@codetothemoon Right back at you, Ken, grand job you're doing here - thank you very much!

[@amjadiqbal478]

Tris, Surprised. Actually your channel is among the top Rust rankings, so I thought there would be a team. But you turned out to be a one man army👌. Love you.

[@heredento]

I love how you responded the video title just at the start and then proceded to elaborate, I've always wanted to see a channel do that

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks, glad you liked it! 😎

[@justin3594]

The answer is always no when a video name asks a question.

[@kennethbeal]

@@justin3594 "Is the answer always no when a video name asks a question?", next video title. :)

[@justin3594]

@@kennethbeal or “What is the answer? No.”

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

why he is saying tek? .. annoying.. its clearly TEX , not TEC or TEK.. is he dyslexic or smt?

[@wtcxdm]

I started my rust learning because of No Boilerplate!

[@ahmadolukotun3884]

Me too...got me hooked

[@adrianlazar1454]

same

[@mpogrzebski]

Haha same

[@codetothemoon]

Nice!! I find it great how a video or channel can inspire and change the trajectory of one's journey. It's one of the many reasons I love this platform!

[@Ma1ne2]

Same here :D

[@robmulla]

Amazing video! I make data science content using python and was thinking about trying out Rust during a live stream. This video was a great starting guide. Subscribed!

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks so much Rob! I saw a bit of your live stream last night using Rust - fantastic work. I've subscribed to your channel as well!

[@robmulla]

@@codetothemoon Thanks! I quickly found out there is a steep learning curve with Rust from python, but I can see why people love it. Keep making great videos. Link to my stream in case anyone is interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXyul4KrhM6dgLs

[@Rabixter]

Nice intro. I like the honesty and that you didn't beat around the bush lol.

[@dhananjaysingh4945]

First time I heard the conclusion of title at the very start of video. That's a good content for me

[@codetothemoon]

Hah, thanks! Hopefully you found the long answer valuable too!

[@dhananjaysingh4945]

@@codetothemoon Is there any series you have done?...from start to finish a rust project. I think people like me like to build something by looking and then reproduce it by modifications. Subbed for the upcoming content anyways😍

[@rodolfoblasser3329]

I believe the value of Rust in DS is to actually build your own implementations (models, algorithms, etc.). At a low-level, you have the ability to understand core calculations and decide what architectures satisfies your needs.

[@Dominik-K]

Decision trees are amazing, and I'm glad to see rust be able to calculate those. The best feature is actually it being based purely on statistics and the algorithm being immediately explainable. Random Forests and similar techniques building up on decision trees can help to predict outcomes in a human understandable way. Which can be good for some regulatory fields as well, where explainablity of conclusions is necessary

[@codetothemoon]

I agree with all of this! Neural networks seem to suck all of the mindshare away from other approaches - while it's the only game in town for the more ambitious use cases, they do have their downsides. I feel like Decision trees (and RF) are at a great cross section of performance and human understandability that can be a great fit for many applications.

[@someonespotatohmm9513]

Neural networks is what you use when you don't know what to use anymore. There is a lot of problems we have no good solutions for. But also a lot of cases where ppl didn't think about ol' reliable.

[@ScottBrown124]

Random forests aren't particularly explainable at scale either. You *can* explain exactly how a decision was made, but that won't necessarily give you any insight into why the output space was partitioned the way it was in a way that means anything to a human.

[@TAP7a]

@@ScottBrown124 there are great ways to explain a random forest. SHAP values can help a little bit, but that's true of NNs, and they aren't great. Partial dependence plots can be useful if you're only looking at a single record. But RFs have a cool feature they share with decision trees which is the Gini impurity, or whichever other metric you're using to optimize your splits. In short, you can follow a record down each decision tree and aggregate the change to the impurity induced by splitting on each variable, so in the end you have the Conditional Feature Contributions, or the total impact of each feature on the decision. On its own, it won't be able to give you a scorecard model printout or something as easy as a logistic regression, but here's an example. If you were working on a tax fraud detection problem the CFCs might indicate that the income received from benefits in kind, capital gains, having a dependent, the total tax paid, and the submission date would contribute most to a positive identification, which would be passed on to the investigations team as starting points. They might then find that actually there had been some chicanery committed with the reporting of capital gains received on highly appreciating benefits in kind (I don't know tax evasion strategies) that resulted in underpayment, but the dependent and submission date were spurious correlations. You can even then aggregate CFCs to all training records in a given class or bin and identify what features were most frequently the drivers of, or had the largest sum of contributions towards, making a prediction that puts a record in that outcome On top of CFCs you have feature importance inherent to the calculation of a bootstrapped model, which provides a level of global interprability. There's even the nuclear option, applicable to any predictive model, where you just train a single decision tree on the output of the main model as a surrogate, which should explain the (likely simplified) relationships discovered by the main model. Anything more complicated than a single CART tree, subset of a GLM, or _maybe_ an ARIMA model if your customers are really technical, is not going to be able to confidently state that for a particular record the combination of features X, Y, and Z is exactly the driver of a decision. You've always got to compomise. For my taste, unless you're working on a very hard and very noisy problem like LLMs, recommendation algos or image processing, the compromise required to run an NN is too much. If your problem is a classification or regression on tabular data, a NN is probably a sledgehammer for your nut. But for me, the compromise offered by a Random Forest is actually very palatable

[@omaredumx]

"The short answer is... No" Loved that intro 😂

[@codetothemoon]

haha thanks, I like to cut to the chase 😎

[@kodee2]

Sick video, also a big fan of no boilerplate. I think python has a place still as a high level language, but underlying libraries like pydantic used in FastAPI, to parse http requests, are already being rewritten in rust. Exciting to see it’s adoption

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks @kdodee2! I am excited as well!

[@LtdJorge]

All high performance Python libs are written in C/C++/Fortran, so Rust makes a good candidate 😊

[@vectoralphaSec]

All Rust needs is really stable and useful standard libraries for wide industry use in AI, ML and Data Science as well as Computer Graphics/ Rendering and Game Development and i will use Rust as my main language. Hopefully one day.

[@codetothemoon]

I'm hoping for this as well!

[@jeremykothe2847]

Python has too much traction, even *if* rust were a more approachable language for the kinds of people that work in ML. I've spent the last week playing with tch, a rust pytorch binding, and while I was impressed as hell at how well it worked and how easy it was to use, and of course how fast, memory efficient etc it was, python is something you can teach to a non-programmer in a very short while. Rust...

[@jeremykothe2847]

But here's hoping! Remember for Data Science in general, R is actually more used than Python. It's only ML/nets where Python is the king.

[@jeremykothe2847]

@mariobroselli3642 so true. And, frankly, it's an ugly language :D

[@jeffg4686]

@1:50 - 20 lines of code is genius for training. Love that style. When people go scrolling up and down, there's no way to keep track. Gotta keep it simple and tight. Have you made your way into building out a NN yet? Would love a video on that if you have experience with that. Would like to see uses outside of "object type identification" if you know of some interesting uses. Quite amazing what's being done out there with them.

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks Jeff!

[@stanrock8015]

NoBoilerplate is a great channel as well. Lots of good Rust info out there.

[@codetothemoon]

I agree he is fantastic!

[@victorpinasarnault7910]

I was thinking in that point this week. Thank for your video.

[@codetothemoon]

thanks for watching!

[@adsick_ua]

I like your high contrast and minimalist VScode setup in the video.

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks!

[@arkadiuszpaterak]

What theme is it?

[@TCMx3]

Rust may be increasing in its representation, but this is 15 years too early to even challenge Python. And it's not because Rust isn't a great language, or Python is so great. Most new DS are scial and hard scientists, not CS majors. Trust me, Ive tried, but getting DS to even trying a "difficult" compiled language is like pulling teeth. Doesn't even matter if it's actually hard.

[@codetothemoon]

Maybe you're right! There's definitely something to be said for Python's simplicity, which - like you said - is especially great for folks without a CS background

[@AhmedIsam]

@@codetothemoon @TCM I don't think Rust will ever get there. Use rust if you want a single binary that wraps everything. This is probably not what you want when you are constnantly experimenting with new ideas (which is what a scientist's life is all about, including data-scientist). That's why scripting languages are popular among them. They want the interactivity of the console. I can only imagine a niche application for Rust at production time, definitely not development time.

[@someonespotatohmm9513]

@@AhmedIsam automation is probaply that "niche". A lot of ppl who learned coding while doing and need performance.

[@qx-jd9mh]

The long compile times of Rust make data science tasks inane. You want fast feedback loops. Just use Julia so you don't need to deal with the borrow checker.

[@qx-jd9mh]

@@AhmedIsam lol if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail? There are plenty of ways to deploy data science code without Rust

[@IanRiley915]

Another great thing to look at for rust in DS would be the Python FFI bindings. I think rust could have a huge impact on the DS community that way.

[@TCMx3]

you can easily generate them with pyo3 or unifii. There are others too, I'm sure.

[@codetothemoon]

I hadn't considered this!

[@astronemir]

@@codetothemoon re-write the decision tree algorithm in Rust, would be dope!

[@holthuizenoemoet591]

the reasons i still pref Python for data-science are the following: ease of readability, useful for non CS scholars, and the ease of prototyping.

[@codetothemoon]

Very valid reasons!

[@igormriegel]

Duuuudee, you're missing Polars, it is the Pandas for Rust.

[@codetothemoon]

Someone else pointed this out as well, I'm going to look into it! What's it like using Polars data frames as input for the various Rust ML crates?

[@igormriegel]

@@codetothemoon They're poised to be the de facto standard, they implemented the Apache Arrow memory format, which came to guarantee compatibility among languages. Their implementation has Python bidings and Javascript(Node Js) bidings as well, they are awesome and truly performant

[@tellezgerardoruben5202]

That was the only part I was missing.

[@flogginga_dead_horse4022]

Thanks for the no boilerplate link too.

[@codetothemoon]

Glad you're checking it out!

[@dinophage]

Love No Boilerplate and the algorithm knows it so now I am here too :) or maybe it's because I'm a data scientist

[@codetothemoon]

Nice, I am very happy to have more data science folks here!

[@NamasteProgramming]

No boilerplate is amazing for explaining rust to others

[@codetothemoon]

I agree!

[@HyperFocusMarshmallow]

Rust is great when you want to impose lots of structure on your data and keep types under control. But it seems like in machine learning you kind of want to already format your data into being just an array of numbers so you can unleash maths libraries on it. That said, this seemed more convenient than I had expected. I’ve been staying in python land because I’ve felt forced to. I’ll probably still stay in python land for this kind of stuff, but what you showed here at least indicate that the option is there. Mostly seem like the main difference is that I’d have to add a few “to_owned()” and “unwrap()” though, but the functional chaining was very nice.

[@ChronicTHX]

You can do both in rust. This is not Java.

[@KirbyZhang]

I thought he'd at least try to use a Rust REPL or at least explain how usable it is or isn't.

[@anishbhanushali]

Until I see rust being used for CUDA or ROCm gpu natively as c++, I'll still be little skeptical about Rust's entry in ML domain. that being said, I would love to see more and more cpu intensive stuff ( looking at you dask !!) tobe ported in rust.

[@codetothemoon]

Yeah it seems like Rust GPU support is not great but is in the works, it will be interesting to see how things pan out

[@katech6020]

You may want to take a look at rust-gpu library, it is still early

[@anishbhanushali]

@@katech6020 thanks ... I'll take a look

[@harleyspeedthrust4013]

I have been using it for CUDA, there's a family of crates ("cust", "rustc_codegen_nvvm", "cuda_builder", "nvvm") that allow you to write and execute CUDA kernels all in rust.

[@Lord2225]

Rust have quite promising CUDA support. Overall cuda c/c++ is llvm based. Unfortunelty unofficial and not all features are avalible (like almost all librares are not ported, and even some basic instructions are still unsuported, but it is still quite an achivment cus C++ needs special compiler&syntax for it.

[@hershreddy9154]

What a great intro!

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@y1ink]

❤️ for giving the answer in 5 secs rather than riding out for 10 mins

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks, ❤️ for watching!

[@victorpinasarnault7910]

Python is still the preferable choice, but, with no doubt, Rust lang will play a important role in data science field in the near future.

[@codetothemoon]

I agree!

[@jamespower5165]

The main reason Python is so big is because it is easy to program and so more people program on it and so it has an enormous library of resources you can just import. Rust is fast and an attempt has been made to make it easier to code with. But it won't really be as welcoming to programmers and so will struggle to build a library of the same size. So for anything that's not really hard-core computer science, which just uses computer science, like data science, Python will be hard to beat

[@itellyouforfree7238]

well no, actually Julia is the preferable choice

[@thedatajanitor9537]

@@jamespower5165 They don't really understand James. Most of these are kids who don't work in the real-world. The gold standard in applied machine learning is Python and that's not going to change. I wouldn't try to convince people who really have no clue... like almost everyone on this channel. I'm not sure if the channel owner allows links to other channels but if he does.. hear you go. This is my answers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2qliqV-otZ1mpI

[@noabstruction]

I just loved the fast 20s of this video

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@analisamelojete1966]

Here because of No Boilerplate! Also, prepare for the amount of “Data Scientists” and “analysts” moving to rust 😂

[@codetothemoon]

Nice, really great to have you here!

[@analisamelojete1966]

@@codetothemoon Thank you!

[@analisamelojete1966]

@@codetothemoon Btw, Do you offer some online rust courses on platforms like Udemy? I’ve been trying to find a tutorial on how to build a simple CRUD Api with Warp, Mongo and Tokio. However Routing and how to keep a database connection has been complicated for me. Many tutorials out there are a clone of one another and have too much boilerplate.

[@ivandashkevich3398]

Fun fact: on 0:37 there is green book to the left, which title translates from russian like "Troll tamer" Easter egg trolling

[@codetothemoon]

lol wow, I'd like to read that book (preferably an english translation)

[@starlord0208]

What is the name of this wonderful color theme?

[@codetothemoon]

Sonokai! 😎

[@starlord0208]

@@codetothemoon thanks!

[@CripplingDuality]

I want it to be Elixir but it'd be nice to have some competition in this space generally

[@codetothemoon]

I hadn't heard of Elixir being a big contender in the DS space - do you think it's a good fit for that purpose?

[@hidekxyz]

@@codetothemoon You don't see elixir in general in regard to this purpose, since elixir's main utility is for highly concurrent web applications, however, elixir's creator Jose Valim is working on a series of tools and libs for DS, you can search numerical elixir (or nx)

[@CripplingDuality]

@@hidekxyz I (and I think Jose too) would say Sean Moriarty is more the prime mover but yeah Nx is very promising, along with Livebook, Axon, and Explorer they represent a big push to try and compete in that space, though it's of course very early days.

[@CripplingDuality]

@@codetothemoon I think as a language it has potential, as it doesn't suffer from many of Python's limitations. But the ecosystem, and and I don't just mean the ubiquity of libraries for ML operations, but the capabilities of Nx, are still behind in some regards. It's nonetheless catching up quickly, so hopefully we will see a real race happening soon enough :)

[@МухиддинМахмудов-б5щ]

Thanks for the short answer at the beginning 👍

[@codetothemoon]

Of course, thanks for watching!

[@generalyoutubewatching5286]

Can’t stop laughing. Rust for data science.

[@codetothemoon]

🫢

[@AllOfMyWat]

two of my favorite rust folks!

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks!! 😎

[@alst4817]

In order for Rust to be interesting for exploratory data science it would need a Julia style REPL. Oh, and dynamic types. So, no. Can it be a replacement for c++ in mature maths heavy modelling? Definitely it can!

[@codetothemoon]

great point about the REPL - I hadn't thought about this. I suppose that can be a key component for data science work.

[@alst4817]

@@codetothemoonI spend a decent amount of my time at the REPL playing with the data before modelling. Julia is pretty good for this, but a fast binary would be great

[@valdemarkjaer]

Julia has better chances to make a difference in DS. Julia and Rust together can be unbeatable.

[@codetothemoon]

Julia seems great from what I've seen. But now Mojo seems like it might become a serious contender....

[@LowestofheDead]

Rust is effective when you know exactly what to do, and need to do it as efficiently as possible. In Data Science you don't even know what you're doing, so you need prototyping - which is the main thing that Python is good at.

[@codetothemoon]

100% agree!

[@CaioMizerkowski]

Can you talk about Polars? I love to use it in Python in my projects.

[@codetothemoon]

I've put it on the todo list, I'll give it a spin at some point!

[@_hologram]

Could I ask what keyboard are you using? Sounds great, bold and quiet :)

[@codetothemoon]

I believe for this video I was using a Keebio Iris (keeb.io/collections/iris-split-ergonomic-keyboard/products/iris-keyboard-pre-built) with Durock Shrimp switches. Lately I've been using a Corne keyboard with Gateron Red Pros (which are a bit louder)

[@_hologram]

Sorry, I realized later that you had already answered the same question, should have looked before in the comments. Thanks for answering

[@arjanmarku3895]

I just love the sound of that keyboard. What model is that and what switches are you using?

[@hnahapet]

Yes please

[@Don-ix2ok]

Sounds like brown tactile

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks! It's actually a Keebio Iris with Durock Shrimp Silent Tactile switches. Full disclosure - I struggled a bit typing during this video because I was still getting used to it 🙃 but it's a fantastic board.

[@mageprometheus]

Thanks. This looks great.

[@codetothemoon]

thanks for watching!

[@akin242002]

I dought it. With GCP & Azure being the biggest data engineering software providers, they tend to use different programming languages. C# and Python for Azure's data factory. Java, Kotlin, Go, and Python for GCP Dataflow. Google will always support their languages first (Kotlin & Go).

[@codetothemoon]

Maybe you're right - it'll be interesting to see how things play out

[@ARS-fi5dp]

Thank you for the Useful contents

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks for watching, glad to have you here!

[@ehsankhorasani_]

the king of data science is Go!

[@codetothemoon]

interesting, i haven't tried using Go for it!

[@anonymoustechiie]

Liked for the answer in beginning

[@codetothemoon]

glad you liked it!

[@_drakz13]

Good video, the answer is just in first 3 seconds directly.

[@codetothemoon]

thanks, I like to get to the point!

[@robinmoussu]

Thanks for making me discover @NoBoilerplate!

[@amjadiqbal478]

It is really wonderfully stuffed on Rust.

[@amjadiqbal478]

NoBoilerplate; derived from the progammatic terms.

[@codetothemoon]

You're welcome, glad you're checking it out!

[@ibrahim.3999]

good to see rust growing this fast 🦀 learn something new! anyway which theme you're using? thanks :)

[@codetothemoon]

glad you got something out of it! The theme is Sonokai, though it appears a bit more contrasty in the video because of the color grading. In any case it is currently my favorite theme 😎

[@ibrahim.3999]

@@codetothemoon going to be my favourite too 😀

will these crates implement alphatensor's new faster matrix multiplication algos?

also there is a new number type called "posit", it would be great if you could showcase these new stuff

[@codetothemoon]

not sure!

@@codetothemoon would be cool tho

[@dankotov1045]

I understand its not reasonable to expect you answering all debugging realted questions, however just on the off chance you reply to this. For the life of me, I can not figure out how to transform custom datatypes to be used with linfa. For example - I have a Vec

[@fra4897]

python is the king of DS cuz (most) DS people don't know how to code so they copy & paste stuff and create spaghetti code I am a ML engineer with strong SE background Love the content

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@japrogramer]

How did you set up the auto complete and can the same complete be done on vim?

[@katech6020]

you can use rust-analyser, treesitter and vim-lsp to get the complete rust IDE experience

[@codetothemoon]

This was VSCode so I just installed the rust-analyzer plugin. I use neovim normally which has a built-in LSP, I think for regular vim you need to use an LSP plugin

[@Naruto-oc6mi]

i think python for scientist computing is the best than rust, because the syntax is just beautiful, no complex rule, so you can focus on the algorithm you are building, and for the performance most of heavy task in python is written is c++ code (mostly), c, and cuda, for example the most popular machine learning framework in python: tensorflow and pytorch are written in c++ and cuda (for gpu programming), python is just binding with them (as the user interface for easy to use) and other library like numpy the core is written in c, and opencv the core is written in c++. well maybe there are still little time consumed when connecting the python frontend to the c++/c backend. when the model is build, it can be build to various format, eg : special format that can be used to reedited the architecture, final format aka binary code like .tflite and .onnx

[@Mvanec]

Do you have this up on Github anywhere?

[@codetothemoon]

I believe this is it! github.com/MoonKraken/youtube/tree/main/linfa_test

[@juliansteden2980]

no mention of polars? ;) its a great DataFrame library and an alternative to pandas and available in rust as well as python! :D

[@codetothemoon]

To be honest I hadn't heard of it! I'll put it on my list of stuff to check out. What is it like to use Polar data frames with Rust ML crates?

[@igormriegel]

@@codetothemoon It is like working with pandas on Python

[@atanjacket]

Lmao the immediate click bait turn around at the beginning is nice.

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@harshkumarmoroliya5272]

Hey tikz is an unknown key, how to fix that? I tried installing tikz from kde 'ktikz' package in arch repo, but still doesn't work. :/

[@tarasst6887]

R is a best Lang for DS!!

[@codetothemoon]

Seems like R still has a strong community!

[@tarasst6887]

@@codetothemoon still???? Ahhaha

[@miettoisdev]

how about a benchmark against same python implementations??

[@Thekingslayer-ig5se]

Sir your tutorial is just brilliant. One small doubt sir. I am a data analyst I am well versed in python. Like I am good in it. And I am interested in rust. Will there be any future demand for rust ? In data science ? Can u explain

[@spacelem]

Between R and Julia, I feel pretty covered for all my data science needs. Seeing data science done in a non-REPL language doesn't make me want to try it.

[@character640p]

I really like short answer.

[@codetothemoon]

Nice, I like to get to the point quickly!

[@31redorange08]

The result is underwhelming. Why is there no "Ok" outcome in the left branch?

[@codetothemoon]

Sorry to disappoint! What do you think could have made it better? I think there was no "Ok" in the left branch because there was no (or not enough) data points leading to "Ok" results in cases where the left branch is taken.

[@marioschmidt1251]

You know you are a programmer when you need to train a machine learning model to know whether you are happy.

[@johnychinese]

Wait, for a second I thought I was watching No Boilerplate 😅

[@codetothemoon]

We're a little (ok, a lot) less refined here but we try to keep up with No Boilerplate!

[@evalinor]

we all know why ds use python, its all about simple syntax and ofc additional library(tensor, keras, etc..). For regular python enjoyer hard to switch to rust

[@codetothemoon]

I agree!

[@mmatongo]

What is that vscode theme?

[@codetothemoon]

Sonokai 😎

[@SolaireML]

great job

[@codetothemoon]

Thank you!

[@floriansalihovic3697]

Your keyboard sounds interesting.

[@codetothemoon]

thank you! if you like the sound of the keyboard you'll definitely like the newest video 😎

[@txkyle2013]

This font is nice, whatever it is

[@codetothemoon]

Thanks, I believe it is Menlo!

[@aoimiyamori9517]

Why do you have to to_owned the features and labels? Shouldn't it work by reference? Even Python (with numpy) doesn't require you to copy the data when running a scikit-learn model on it.

[@nicklam3594]

Sir please consider doing an introduction to ndarray and rust for numerics , cause it is realy beating my ass. eg Making a polynomial regression in rust.

[@gamcd]

What font are you using?

[@codetothemoon]

I believe it is Menlo

[@gamcd]

@@codetothemoon thanks very much also keep up the good work w the vids

[@codetothemoon]

@@gamcd thanks will do!

[@kleinesfilmroellchen]

I have never seen anyone pronounce "LAY-tek" or "TICK-z" so strangely

[@codetothemoon]

Hah sorry about that, I'm new to both. I thought I did my due diligence with Latex and gathered that there are multiple ways to pronounce it and the one I chose was one of the "acceptable" ways. Tikz is a different story - I'd recently talked about something completely unrelated called TiKV for which the "Ti" is pronounced "Tie" - so yeah I probably butchered it

[@ApostropheErEpiphany]

@@codetothemoon I refer to your channel (and no boilerplate) often, but… to my pedantic, ADHD+OCD brain, repeatedly hearing ‘x’ pronounced ‘k’ was worse than fingernails on a chalkboard. 😵‍💫 I’m not trying to be a d*ck, but I couldn’t focus on anything else in the video. Anyway, I’m interested in Rust/DS so I’m gonna take my ADD meds, meditate, light a candle, vape some CBD, and try again! 🧘‍♂️ (P.S. still subscribed 👍)

[@nostrorom]

@@ApostropheErEpiphany he's right on that point though. I can't vouch for 'ah' vs 'ay', but in the LaTeX world (academia, math, physics etc..) the "x" is actually pronounced "k" as the greek letter "khi". tex => tech

[@danielfm123]

but no interactive console :(

[@codetothemoon]

There actually is one! Also I believe you can use Rust in Jupyter notebooks.

[@Singlton]

What prelude mean?

[@geoffrygeorgemathew3505]

* historical data ? 🤔 0:33

[@codetothemoon]

I see what you're saying - what I meant is that in the future you will have new data points that you need to perform inferences on. The way I worded it probably wasn't the best 🙃

[@sazk4000]

Python uses underlying C++ libs for the computational part. That is where Rust can be used..but it won't be replacing Python itself at the higher level.

[@codetothemoon]

I doubt Rust will replace Python for things like manual "offline" data exploration, but Rust definitely has some advantages over Python especially in situations where the DS/ML code is part of a business critical customer-facing product where failures would be very costly

[@Zimi485]

(Don't forget R)

[@codetothemoon]

I realize a lot of DS folks live in that world - I gave R a sincere try a few years ago but I personally didn't fully grasp what made it better than the more modern options like Python, Scala and now Rust. YMMV

[@Zimi485]

@@codetothemoon Just startet by Studies as a DS Engineer and most of the time Python is used for "in production" environments as a glue language, sometimes c,c++,rust or golang for compute things but R is the shiny kid on the block with decades of experience and polishing of graphs and plots. R ist just made for fancy graphics at this point, but a lot of banks still have their ml models in R

[@Smurdy1]

Hear me out rust developers should join up to form an empire and overthrow python. Imagine how Blazing Fast 🚀 our daily life would be

[@codetothemoon]

I actually really like python. just not for production apps...

[@igordemetriusalencar5861]

I think Julia programming language will be the default Data science language in the 5-10 years ahead.

[@techpriest4787]

I think nobody is going to write any code in the future. AI will. Just like artists will use text-to-image/3D. Programmers will be using text-to-source if non-neuromorphic runtimes are needed.

[@lopyus]

After I trying Julia, I do all my DS projects using it. I like their autodiff and DataFrame library, such a relief from pytorch and pandas 😄

[@MDminddump]

lookss good ! will try it !

[@codetothemoon]

Been meaning to check out Julia, I've moved it much higher on my todo list after all the great things folks are saying about it here...

[@techpriest4787]

Why is that though? The only thing I know about Julia is that it is more math driven.

[@NA-di3yy]

"Сон Бодлера" и "Эффект Люцифера", понятно

[@codetothemoon]

what does that mean?

[@NA-di3yy]

@@codetothemoon you tell me, that's not my book shelf @ 0:37 =) those two titles sound most intriguing to me personally

[@codetothemoon]

@@NA-di3yy oh, that is stock footage, not my bookshelf hah. Mine is significantly less interesting

[@houtamelocoding]

Unfortunately Rust is still too young on data science, there are no easy-to-setup/prototype libraries which is what make python appealing, and that sucks because I really dislike python and I'll be very happy when rust gets there :)

[@codetothemoon]

what do you mean by easy to setup / prototype in this context? Would Linfa qualify? Assuming a bit of Rust knowledge, I personally didn't find it any harder to get started with than something like scikit-learn

[@houtamelocoding]

@@codetothemoon A few years ago I worked with a reinforcement learning package that in order to train your models this is all that was required: -Define your hyperparameters in a config file. -Set up your reward system. -Feed the observations to the package's code. Recently I tried looking for reinforcement learning in rust and I couldn't find a package that had a process like that.

[@itellyouforfree7238]

have you tried julia in the meanwhile? much better than python for scientific computing

[@yash1152]

0:53 will watch later

[@varshard0]

So crates are linfra linfra-trees

[@narwodev]

Yes!

[@codetothemoon]

😎

[@CallousCoder]

Rust will not kickout Python (just yet) just like C++ hasn't kicked out python despite pretty much all the lybraries that data scientists use written in C++ and execution is 100 times faster. Data Scientists aren't programmers, Rust and C++ are just too complex compared to ugly arse python.

[@codetothemoon]

Yeah, making the jump from Python to something like Rust will not be palatable for many folks.

[@spirit_x64]

Julia exists...

[@codetothemoon]

it does indeed! 🙃

[@apstl7106]

its not fast to write, when i need speed i use julia

[@itellyouforfree7238]

sure, like waiting a couple minutes every time you restart the kernel and execute `using Plots; using DifferentialEquations`...

[@codetothemoon]

Nice, I'm excited to take Julia for a spin

[@oykunj3630]

Iz the gud vids, friend can u us the make vid for rust ml app? U know make full fir students have no money yas,

[@codetothemoon]

That's kind of what this one is! I have two other vids that you might be interested in - "Rust Artificial Intelligence" and "Rust OpenAI Integration"

[@Cm0nd00d]

what happened to petting cats?

[@codetothemoon]

The algorithm deemed it not heavily correlated enough with happiness to include it in the model!

[@Cm0nd00d]

oh interesting! thanks for following up!

[@MudroZvon]

Rust is the King 👑 in Blockchain development

[@codetothemoon]

Yeah it seems to have some traction there, which makes sense the way it forces error handling...

[@jorge1869]

Rust is the king in data science and I'm Leonardo Di Caprio.

[@codetothemoon]

Which makes you the king of the world!! 👑

[@sammflynn6751]

sorry to be blunt but what why?

[@codetothemoon]

no need to apologize, it's a great question! Some possible reasons are (1) the need for DS/ML in an existing project that is already written in Rust, and there is a desire for language isomorphism, (2) you'd like to learn Rust and are passionate about DS/ML, (3) your DS code is running in production and you'd like the extra safeguards that Rust provides

[@amjadiqbal478]

Rust is not; but going to be the King🐯🙏🇵🇰

[@NamasteProgramming]

At least we can agree on something 🇮🇳

[@amjadiqbal478]

Thanks dear for your respect and love 🙏 And nice having your comments and agreement. But we also agree on countless other things. I love and like India and Indian people. They are very nice. The Indian culture is deep rooted and wonderful. Vedic knowledge is really superb. The Rishi's/ munni's / sanyasi's were all great teachers, that was once the grandeur of this region. Alas, we lost such great gurus of antiquity and no one left in inheritence. Difference is only that of superficial or deep study and thereupon practice Why should we hate each other or anybody? I find no reason. Thanks

[@codetothemoon]

And perhaps also a peacemaker between nations! ❤️

[@Cathexis256]

could have stopped the video at 2 seconds in to get the answer lol

[@codetothemoon]

Many folks probably did just that! And that's perfectly fine 😎

[@arods]

No, you don't have easy to use libraries or modules to work DS with in rust. Also, you can't use CUDA, which is the standard for when working with large models. Maybe someday ahead, but not now.

[@codetothemoon]

I've only tried the one that is showcased in this video, and it seemed every bit as easy to use as something like scikit-learn. And it looks like support for CUDA exists, though I'm not sure about the current state of the project github.com/Rust-GPU/Rust-CUDA

[@32zim32]

Rust is trying to go to different markets and areas but if will fail almost in every field

[@codetothemoon]

we shall see!

[@JorgetePanete]

it* Rust is not an "option" it is "progress"

[@diadetediotedio6918]

why it will fail?

[@32zim32]

@@diadetediotedio6918 because in 90% of cases there are better alternatives, easier to write and maintain

[@rmvlvs5228]

A Monokai user like me :)

[@codetothemoon]

yep Monokai ftw!