Is Secularism compatible with Islam? - (p.1)

[@_titanslayer_]

In this video, we discuss what secular, secularization, secularism and secularity mean and what they entail. Debates around the compatibility and incompatibility of secularism and Islam are raging these days. So I decided to intervene and give you a scholarly perspective on this issue.

[@mohsinafzal7022]

Sir next video

[@RGHdrizzle]

Good explanation. Do add the anthropology of secularism from Talal Asad's book in ]p2 which might be helpful for people to understand what it really is in broader terms.

[@_titanslayer_]

Yes I’m hoping to discuss that too

[@Abuhurera-q8w]

Mashallah Amazing explanation ❤ 🔥

[@daniyalahmad-g4j]

Waiting for the next video, impatiently.

[@AhmadHussain-wv9ik]

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[@usamaali2146]

I was looking for this comment "Excellent Analysis!" from the Mr. Anti-Molvi but I couldn't find one.

[@tulipseverywhere]

JAZAK ALLAH shershah for such comprehensive discussion about these concepts.

[@H.A-Phoenix1]

Jzk khr Shershah, barak Allahu fik! Such a clear differentiation b/w Secularism n Secularization u hv taught ! Secularizationism is a tongue twister 🙂 Secularism n Scientism r two post modern religions, scientism has facilitated secular ideologies. Lookin forward to the summary of Sherman Jackson book, The Islamic Secular.

[@aahmed278]

I have been reading this book. The way Sheikh has written it, its hard to stop myself once i start reading it

[@amth3400]

Name?

[@aahmed278]

@@amth3400 Islam and Secularism...

[@amth3400]

@@aahmed278 thanks

[@Shahzaibazmat-og9yg]

Masha Allah.... Well explained... Informative

[@NoorAfzaaa]

Excellent, Shershah! ❤ What a blessing you are not only for Muslims but for everyone. May Allah bless you in both the worlds! Ameen.

[@mohsinafzal7022]

MashaAllah Great Work Keep it up ❤❤❤❤

[@englishlanguageandliteratu6833]

You have a natural talent to explain things in their true essence without beating about the bush.

[@faisalempire1689]

mashaALLAH sir Really appreciated❤ Also waiting of Islamic vs capitalism and socialism economic system video❤

[@AyaanJaved-lt3tg]

yes

[@worldmatters7384]

Insha Allah brother soon you will be popular, but don't ever quit the path of Allah... ❤

[@ZHB_Javaid]

Loved this video so much. Definitely gonna use this in debates.

[@AlshafiKhaddar]

Loved the content. Also make this kind of videos on stoicism. Thankyou

[@beingavlogger6353]

Ma Sha Allah , amazing presentation ❤.

[@shaukatmahmood9086]

Absolutely love it, nicely explained👍🏼

[@MuhammadAbubakr-f8v]

Best Content ❤

[@TheNamdar1]

Brilliant analysis! Congratulations!

[@PA-hf7gy]

Most important book to read: Understanding Mohammad and Muslims. It is written by Ali Sina. Second book is: A God Who hates. It is written by Dr. Wafa Sultan.

[@ZyroxGamer]

I've seen some people confuse humanism with secularism. People claiming to be 'secular' by this they mean that they support religious pluralism and believe being good to humanity is the highest virtue. Has anyone else experienced this in Pakistan?

[@KaleemWaziri]

Jazak Ullah❤

[@salman_esp]

Masha'Allah ❤

[@hassanzia7450]

Very informative video MashAllah

[@saliksayyar9793]

A kindred spirit! 😊

[@usamaali2146]

Excellent Brother !

[@muhammadshahedkhanshawon3785]

Please make a video about the modern state and Islamic caliphate

[@erikkhan]

Nice thumbnail

[@rattarattaratta]

Great video, thanks

[@Ahsaniftikhar.]

Great♥️

[@AkramBawani]

Shershah bro good video please isi Tarah video s banaye shukria

[@mohsinafzal7022]

Jazak Allah

[@husnainumar2451]

I see video I click I like (My life philosophy) 😂

[@syedabdulraffay7354]

when are you going to upload part 2

[@englishlanguageandliteratu6833]

Can we say that secularism is a religion with a materialistic basis but traditional religions are religions with divine basis?

[@_titanslayer_]

Yes

[@Thyenigma]

Perfect analysis

[@deepsareen1]

No not at all. Because secularism is absence of Religion; just as "Darkness" being "Absence of light" can not be called a type (or color) of light.

[@Thyenigma]

@@deepsareen1 Secularism has actually a religion, which we can call materialism. Just as there is darkness or light. If you remove the light, darkness comes automatically. Similarly, when secularism ignores divine religion, materialism inadvertently becomes religion. The space cannot be empty..

[@deepsareen1]

@@Thyenigma Materials are proven fact but Religion is not (because it involves imagination and leap of faith). Who told you space can not be empty? Vacuum by definition is empty space! Can you (or did anybody in past) prove Divinity (or its fountainhead God)? (BTW in your scheme of things who decides which is a divine Religion and which one is not? and based on what "facts") Are you aware of any nation today that has progressed (lets say good GDP, HDI, GDI and Happiness indices) without Secular governance?

[@bholukhan3258]

Jazakallah bro

[@muhammadtayyabamer2123]

A personal question: Which Book of Shaykh Al Attas is your favorite? Islam and Secularism OR Prolegomena to The Metaphysics of Islam?

[@StudentOfKnowledge294]

Profound ❤

[@CREATION.0101]

Sir sir, when you become famous, will you remember me? 🥺 👉👈

[@deepsareen1]

In my understanding, the sense in which you need to examine compatibility of Secularism with Islam is not "here and now" (as gleaned by strict Latin roots) but rather "Separation of State and Church" as per current usage defined by George Jacob Holyoake (1851); considered to be father of Secularism. Hence Secularism is simply absence of Religion in public legislation and governance. This Secularism has no conflict with Religion (or Islam) as is evident from the fact that there are millions of Muslims living good lives in Secular states in west.

[@_titanslayer_]

Secularism doesn’t mean hear and now. That’s the meaning of the word “secular” The meaning of secularism is “the deliverance of man from his religious and metaphysical control of his reason and language”. (Cox & Attas) It has 3 dimensions. One is the desecralizarion of politics which argues that “no sacred authority will be consisted in political domain” which goes against the Islamic perspective of politics where the ruler (sultanate) has to implement Sharia and forbid evil (evil and sharia are all deeply religious and sacred concepts). Lastly, Muslims living in the secular states does not say anything about what Islam has to say. We can’t collapse people’s experience with doctrines of Islam. And this idea that Muslims enjoy lives in the west is also contestable. P.S The reconfiguration of politics as “separate” from religion is also a modern making. As Taylor argues that in the Religius Age, God was everyone and such a neat and clean separation does not exist prior to the emergence of the Secular Age. So this separation that you have conceived between religion and public sphere is a modern reconfiguration and construction which is only self-attesting and has no reference outside of its own doctrines.

[@Basitnisar-4f]

​@@_titanslayer_in secular way kon se punishment Dane Chaya murderer KO ap Jo religion Ka khalaf ha ya WO religion he ha kis morality sekhaye hama janwar SA insan banati ha agar insan kitna b zaheen ho agar is morality na howai is ma or janwar ma koi faraq nahi

[@deepsareen1]

@@_titanslayer_ You are using Secularism more in the sense of Atheism which it is not! Would do well to also read "The Principles of Secularism" by Holyoake. Further Secularism is only practically successful way one can go about governance in a modern (and not medieval) society where citizens practicing many religions cohabit together. As citizens are free to practice their religion in their private (and to some degree community) life no great conflict is envisaged there. BTW do you have any alternate solution for such situations? Hence at a 'strict theoretical' level Islam might have some incompatibility with Secularism, but not at 'practical' level. Separation of Politics from Religion is not new too; for instance there were Jew prime ministers and commanders in Caliphate of Cordova during Golden Age. Same situation can be noticed during Mughal Rule wherein Hindus occupied high positions and were not forced to pay Jiziya for most of the time. And yes, I would contest your skepticism about Muslims not enjoying their lives in secular western societies because arguably, I do not see many of them returning to their homelands. On the contrary we see long queues of Muslim visa seekers in front of Embassies of these countries in Muslim majority states.

[@abdullah19_m]

​@@deepsareen1The very act of reconstructing every religion and reduce it to the private spehere is itself a theological claim which a secular state authoritatively do. Secondly you claimed that secularism is the only successful (peaceful) mode of governance, which is completely wrong. Secularism after dethroning god claimed the authority and sets to mould identities for it's citizen. Secular state creates it's own subject and not the other way around. Secularism is what gives rise to nationalism and modern nation state which has plunged humanity in worst of disasters. Your understanding is shallow because you took the state constructed identity for granted. Lastly, the example of Andalusia and Mughal india is not at all relevant, because first of all you will have to prove that appointment of non-muslim viziers is something equivalent to secularism. You seems to have the generic textbook understanding of secularism as the good ayy toleration of all beliefs. Another thing is the Muslims in the west are not there because they are content with secularism but because of economic incentives.

[@Hbchnhdfjjjas5483]

​​@@deepsareen1 The men who coined the word Secularism said in his book (btw he was also athiest) THE PRINCIPLES OF SECULARISM By George Jacob Holyoake "SECULARISM IS A SERIES OF PRINCIPLES INTENDED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THOSE WHO FIND THEOLOGY INDEFINITE, OR INADEQUATE, OR DEEM IT UNRELIABLE."

[@faisalempire1689]

Sir one question, If secularism does not promote, involve in spiritual or sacred practices or believes than how it is considered is a religion. Despite secularism is highly promoted non religious activities, secularism is also socio_politico_ economic system. No doubt It his values, ethics and understanding of life but this is called ideology not a religion.

[@muhammadarsalan9543]

Because religion according to majority of Muslims understanding is Deen i.e system, parameter to judge which is used numerous times in the Quran for eg in surah Yusuf when Yusuf AS said to his family that this is the Deen here in Egypt (he was referring to it as system, law of Egypt) . Secondly in surah fatiha we say Maliki youmid Deen ( the owner, Malik of Day of Judgement ). on that day by using which system Allah will judge us ? Islam (Quran and Sunnah) because he have us a parameter for judgement One of the names of Quran is also Al furqan ( a thing which does faraq i.e separates things and separation, differentiating here means in the form of evil and good) These are only some of the references I have in my head currently it is mentioned numerous times in different ways as a system, parameter to judge So , Islam being considered as a Deen( system and parameter to judge) is the authentic understanding of Islam going back to the companions of Prophet PBUH. Now my brother you mentioned that secularism is a socio economic political system,so, it is regarded as a Deen (system) . No two systems can exist for the same people at the same time. I, you or anybody cannot be subject to two or more systems at a time. Otherwise , if anyone wants to proof me wrong then I request that guy/woman whoever it might be to give any successful nation whose people at the same time are subject to two kinds of different systems or laws. Yes, it can happen that two systems, laws exist in an area for eg one for one community and another for another community or group but here different individuals are subject to different laws not two laws of the same nature eg one law says whoever is rich he must give 50k and whoever is poor must give 5K these are 2 separate law 5K one for poor ane 50K one for rich. Now if someone says whoever is poor in Area ABC must give 5K according to one law for Sales tax on consumer goods. And another law of the same area says whoever is poor must give 50K for Sales tax on consumer goods. then the two laws are contradictory in nature these two laws are representating two different systems or laws applied to the same individual i.e poor. In this manner, no society can progress as there will always be uncertainity chaos .. Therefore, secularism if only is an ideology ,then , it would considered a way of beliefs, customs and traditions .But if the ideology propogates any form of system indicating certain laws whether it be economic, legal laws then it is a religion (deen i.e system, parameter to judge,law).

[@faisalempire1689]

@@muhammadarsalan9543 @muhammadarsalan9543 bro for a religion it is compulsory to have or promote scared and spiritual believes. Religion is not only an ideology, yeah you may call secularism is a religion but this will be your personal opinion like Atlas (the author) as it is not world widely considered is a religion. Religion have specific set of values(which secularism have) but as I said for religion it is compulsory to have spiritual and sacred values and beliefs, also their may be A devine source or entity but it is not necessary like Buddhism or jainism.

[@ZyroxGamer]

@@faisalempire1689 I think it fits if we define religion as "a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion."

[@muhammadarsalan9543]

@@faisalempire1689 brother religion has many definitions. I gave the definition of religion according to Islam, for this reason many Muslims aware of the laws and socio economic system of secularism consider secularism a religion and if somebody points out my mistake in the same that according to Islam , religion is something else then I am ready to accept my mistake.

[@faisalempire1689]

@@muhammadarsalan9543 in Islam it is compulsory to worship the devine source. Din is a system yeah but in this system(Islam) worshiping and believing in GOD is the first priority. According to secularism it is only an ideology, yeah it is also a system but both system and both have a huge different bro. All religion is not a Din ( System) but yeah Din can be a religion. So I'm just saying that you can call secularism a religion but it will be only your point of view as world-widely, it is not acceptable

[@muhammadtayyabamer2123]

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[@MuhammadAbdullah-si7mg]

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[@muhammadtayyabamer2123]

Excellent! Excellent! Also, just wondering if you'll be using Talal Asad, Saba Mehmood, and Hallaq? Just curious uwu

[@_titanslayer_]

Yes next video will touch upon Mahmood and Asad too

[@লেফাফাদুরস্ত]

Finallt!!

[@baanoooo]

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[@adeebfeeroz3434]

In caliphate who was a dive person. if caliphate is to exist again who will be that divine person.

[@Hitchens-k9s]

3 out of 4 so called rightly guided caliphs were mur…drdd by mslms themselves..outdated system of governance not practiced by a single Muslim country today

[@usmanshah5575]

Sir, secularism is a religion this concept isn't clear, through message or video compare the similarities with the religion. Thank you

[@Etcthings-bo2pg]

Fun fact: When Islam first came, it wasn't really considered just a "religion". It was also perceived as egalitarian and secular in nature

[@Millathunmain]

How so?

[@aahmed278]

nah bro. The pagans moved on from the religion of Ibrahim pbuh. The Christians and the Jews aswell moved on from their original religious teachings. They brought change to the original teachings of the Prophets sent to them. Islam came to debunk the falsehood caused by this change and demanded them to revert to the original religion of all the Prophets of all times. Islam demanded reversing of the change and de-tracking.

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@aahmed278islm failed to convince 6 billion people that it’s the true religion…it has taken 1400 years and still billions don’t believe in Islam…

[@lingogringo]

@@Hitchens-k9s Pew Research Center: Year World population Muslim population Islamic followers share (%) 1800 1 billion 91 million (9.1%) 1900 1.6 billion 200 million (12.5%) 1970 3.7 billion 577 million (15.6%) 2000 6.14 billion 1.291 billion (21%) 2013 7.21 billion 1.635 billion (22.7%) 2016 7.46 billion 1.8 billion (24.1%) 2020 7.8 billion 2 billion (26%) Projection by 2050 is: (35%)

[@syedmujahedali9685]

Bro u r just reading and explaining 😂

[@vegetakhan4650]

secularism is haram

[@MrAhsan99]

Video uploaded 27 minutes ago. You posted the comment 17 minutes ago. Video duration ~25 minutes. Amazed at how you covered 25 minutes video in just 10 minutes. perhaps playing at 2.5x (which youtube doesn't support)

[@Millathunmain]

​@@MrAhsan99He never said he watched the whole video in the first place. Why do you assume that?

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@Millathunmain44 million mslms prefr to liv in secular, democratic,liberal EU countries…😂😂😂…there are 57 Muslim countries and more then 50% are democratic and secular…zero Muslim country with full sharia or caliphate..only worlds most progressive,highly educated and most peaceful country called Afghanistan has some kind of sharia 😂😂

[@Millathunmain]

@@Hitchens-k9s silence pajeet

[@Hitchens-k9s]

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[@newintellectual.]

Secularism is, in simple terms, the separation of religion from state. Islam is NOT compatible with secularism because Muhammad (founder of Islam) himself mixed religious commands with the state to govern. I am a secular Ex-Muslim who agrees with religious mullahs that secularism and Islam don't mix. I choose secularism over Islam and reject Islam.

[@_titanslayer_]

how many rakats in fatiha?

[@newintellectual.]

@@_titanslayer_ oh come on man. Don't be silly. There are Ex-Muslims. And we are growing 😊

[@syedumar7066]

​@@newintellectual.So is lgbt

[@LoveTheQuran787]

​@@newintellectual. So are muslims. Whats ur Point.

[@newintellectual.]

@@LoveTheQuran787 my point don't underestimate people who leave Islam. Muslims need to accept the opposition to Islam and tolerate it.