Is Seventh Day Adventism a Cult?

[@powerofthelamb]

Pastor Ivor Myers here. My name was specifically and publicly mentioned in this video 1:02:20 (not by the Perrys) as having been invited but declined. I can say this is not true. No invitation was ever extended to me. I am willing to chalk this up as a misunderstanding since I can't bring myself to believe that anyone professing the name of Christ would intentionally bear false witness in a public manner in a day and age of receipts. My brother Preston has confirmed that I did not receive an invitation but we have now connected, and hope that we will be able to work something out to talk with Perrys and answer these accusations. I will say of this interview that I appreciated Preston's questions and the way he followed up on certain points in the interest of fairness. To me, this humble spirit speaks volumes.

[@gabazinxumalo8994]

FINALLY!!!!!!! Thank God! I knew that you wouldn’t just turn down/dismiss an invitation to talk.

[@IvyElizabeth918]

Praise God! I’m hoping that part 3 happens soon.

[@mphokolweni9192]

Looking foward to you coming to the show.

[@jasonstlouis9871]

They will never invite SDA's to their panel. they complain that all we do is Bible Study instead of debating. They don't want us to bring the armor of God to their show because it will deliberately cause them to do a deep dive into scripture. any time people don't want to do a bible study, SDA's are not welcome. Prove me wrong!!!

[@traciesmith7880]

Thank you Pastor Myers! I am SDA and I don't know what kind of Adventism goes on in Jamaica! What he is saying is not preached at my church (Living Waters Worship Center of SDA Dallas)! To everyone watching......this is not an accurate breakdown of the SDA church!!! Pastor Myers please make sure that you go on this podcast to undo this damage.

[@jenniferford7450]

I love that this conversation is happening, but it lacks integrity. It's important to have a current SDA member or pastor there. Otherwise, this isn't a forum to speak transparently. It's a place to air out grievances about SDAs. Note: I am not SDA. I am someone who values conversation from all sides.

[@daniellar2165]

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[@eesehlamooskis]

I agree. You wouldn't ask and ex Mormon about what Mormons believe. You need to ask actual members and church reps, not ex members.

[@andreiarodrigues9198]

@jenniferford7450 exactly! That’s the only way to have an unbiased conversation! Thank you!!

[@michellewright99]

Preston explained he invited several Adventists to come on the show after they commented on his post, but they either declined or didn't respond. He also said if an Adventist contacts him now they can do a Part 3 to this discussion, so he's still open to bringing one on.

[@corbertsamuels5766]

As a SDA all my life, I can say this brother is totally in the dark about our beliefs and teachings or is purposely malicious.

[@mphokolweni9192]

One thing for sure, a seed has been planted. People now know about SDA and will go and investigate. The Holy Spirit will take care of the rest

[@mauricethomas7090]

The Holy Spirit has told me to avoid any group that deviates from the teachings of Bible, will not be a Mormon, Jehovah Witness or SDA.

[@may8244]

Amen! 💯

[@jlewis8145]

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. ❤

[@jlewis8145]

A born again person would not do that! John 10 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

[@Ehlaar]

@@mauricethomas7090watch are you sure podcast you don’t have to be SDA but obey the word

[@AdventDefenseLeague]

Imagine judging a man by merely interviewing his ex.

[@PrJamesMedia]

So true. a wounded ex could never speak the truth about the man. She is an ex for a reason.

[@BrandonTramel]

Nailed it

[@elijahrodgers416]

I know! These guys are thunderously wrong!

[@shadstla]

I would go so far as to say that it is a cowardly act!

[@deus_vult8111]

Imagine being SDA and not reading Elce Thunder Lauriston’s 3-volume book series Hiding in Plain Sight.😅

[@alexferguson6495]

I grew up Seventh Day Adventist. Went to church my entire life. I'm a Christian now, but 70% of what he's saying is simply not what they believe.

[@kb3768]

Alex alot of what he is saying is public record. Some of their followers do not read the material but the fact it the information can be checked

[@charnelallan7159]

Really? IS it a coïncidence that all adventism beliefs dérivés from Ellen G white visions.?

[@briyannahj]

This !

[@corysanon7084]

SDAs are Christian.

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

I talked to a lot of Seventh-day Adventist and I have even been on the Advent Defense League show and I think this guy on the show is pretty accurate

[@LovelyAria702]

As someone who is a Christian that grew up within the SDA denomination (still am) and attended an SDA HBCU, this dialogue was lacking and unbalanced. Having taken SDA fundamental courses at my Alma mater, one of the first things we learn is that EGW’s writings are not held to the same regard as the Bible and that she was never a self-proclaimed prophet. Others have labeled her that. “I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be His messenger. 'Your work,' He instructed me, 'is to bear My word.’” (Letter 55, 1905; quoted in Selected Messages, book 1, pp. 35, 36). Lol personally I grew up not even hearing much about her or hearing sermons where her writings were regularly quoted tbh. My church has always preached solely from the Word of God. Period. If anything, I didn’t learn much about EGW and her writings until I got to college. And even then, she was referenced from time to time but the Word of God was and is always central. We recognize the trinity, the life, death, resurrection and second coming of Christ (him as being the eternal God), and we honor the Sabbath as God established in Genesis and commanded us in Exodus 20 (like I try to obey all the commandments because Christ instructed us to love Him and we do this through obedience response to His love - not to gain salvation). The great controversy is discussed but literally does not inform every aspect of our faith unlike Brother Thunder alluded to. Also, he said we have our own Bible…that’s false. Someone who happens to be SDA authored it, but doesn’t mean that’s our book. Most SDA folks (especially older folks) only read KJV lol. I digress. As aforementioned, I respect this dialogue but it was severely unbalanced and there was noticeable pride/arrogance and that honestly broke my heart. I hope that other conversations can be had in the future on this podcast that have perspectives on all sides.

[@gioblu]

Thank you! I dunno where they found this guy, but he DOES NOT speak for the SDA church, & he gave a lot of personal opinions that are not backed by scripture or church doctrine. Smh

[@niknatpattywack4293]

Amen… Brother Thunder will get some thunder from Almighty with his foolishness…Lord, help him… mentioning about we have our own BIBLE 😳😳🫤🫤…He took me straight out and I couldn’t listen anymore… Stay Blessed, Bro.

[@niknatpattywack4293]

Amen… Brother Thunder will get some thunder from Almighty with his foolishness…Lord, help him… mentioning about we have our own BIBLE 😳😳🫤🫤…He took me straight out and I couldn’t listen anymore… Stay Blessed, Bro.

[@Dr.Ez.ANewLivingWay]

In actual fact, Ellen said she was more than a Prophet. Did you not see that in her writings ??? not only that she is the leader of this church and the Bible is interpreted by her and through her that is the foundation of the Adventist Church whether you believe it or not.

[@williciayod7]

⁠​⁠@@Dr.Ez.ANewLivingWay give us the reference please because all I can find is her saying “I am the Lord’s messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title.” “ Selected Messages,” Book 1, page 32. So, how is she saying she’s more than a prophet when she doesn’t even call herself a prophet ?

[@unlocking_jennifer]

As an SDA, I was severely disappointed by how Mr. Thunder SO INACCURATELY represented our beliefs. I was gobsmacked for most of the episode, especially on the issue Jesus’s divinity. Believing that Jesus was an archangel and was promoted to being a deity? An absolute LIE.

[@ramosamomothibi8796]

@unlocking_jennifer especially if the great controversy motif in the SDA is directly from Satan not recognizing the divinity of Christ. A creature trying to ursup the position of the Creator.

[@reggaeism]

Girl!!

[@mauricethomas7090]

@@unlocking_jennifer God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. 8T 268.3 The exaltation of the Son of God as equal with the Father was represented as an injustice to Lucifer, who, it was claimed, was also entitled to reverence and honor. If this prince of angels could but attain to his true, exalted position, great good would accrue to the entire host of heaven; for it was his object to secure freedom for all. But now even the liberty which they had hitherto enjoyed was at an end; for an absolute Ruler had been appointed them, and to His authority all must pay homage. Such were the subtle deceptions that through the wiles of Lucifer were fast obtaining in the heavenly courts. PP 37.1 I saw that Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life before he saw corruption. Satan claimed the body as his, but Michael resurrected Moses, and took him to heaven. The Devil tried to hold his body, and railed out bitterly against God, denounced him as unjust, in taking from him his prey. But Michael did not rebuke the Devil, although it was through his temptation and power that God's servant had fallen. Christ meekly referred him to his Father, saying, The Lord rebuke thee.. 1SG 43.1

[@mauricethomas7090]

@@unlocking_jennifer God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. 8T 268.3 The exaltation of the Son of God as equal with the Father was represented as an injustice to Lucifer, who, it was claimed, was also entitled to reverence and honor. If this prince of angels could but attain to his true, exalted position, great good would accrue to the entire host of heaven; for it was his object to secure freedom for all. But now even the liberty which they had hitherto enjoyed was at an end; for an absolute Ruler had been appointed them, and to His authority all must pay homage. Such were the subtle deceptions that through the wiles of Lucifer were fast obtaining in the heavenly courts. PP 37.1 I saw that Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life before he saw corruption. Satan claimed the body as his, but Michael resurrected Moses, and took him to heaven. The Devil tried to hold his body, and railed out bitterly against God, denounced him as unjust, in taking from him his prey. But Michael did not rebuke the Devil, although it was through his temptation and power that God's servant had fallen. Christ meekly referred him to his Father, saying, The Lord rebuke thee.. 1SG 43.1

[@mauricethomas7090]

@@unlocking_jennifer God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. 8T 268.3 The exaltation of the Son of God as equal with the Father was represented as an injustice to Lucifer, who, it was claimed, was also entitled to reverence and honor. If this prince of angels could but attain to his true, exalted position, great good would accrue to the entire host of heaven; for it was his object to secure freedom for all. But now even the liberty which they had hitherto enjoyed was at an end; for an absolute Ruler had been appointed them, and to His authority all must pay homage. Such were the subtle deceptions that through the wiles of Lucifer were fast obtaining in the heavenly courts. PP 37.1 I saw that Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life before he saw corruption. Satan claimed the body as his, but Michael resurrected Moses, and took him to heaven. The Devil tried to hold his body, and railed out bitterly against God, denounced him as unjust, in taking from him his prey. But Michael did not rebuke the Devil, although it was through his temptation and power that God's servant had fallen. Christ meekly referred him to his Father, saying, The Lord rebuke thee.. 1SG 43.1

[@IesuMoAu]

I grew up in the SDA church then went to the world. I came to a point in my life that brought me face to face with the question is there a God? Then, which God and it took me through Hinduism, Islam but finally rested on Christianity. Then I wanted to know which church is following God and it brought me back to the SDA church. Believe it or not, Ellen White was the easiest for me to accept when I looked into her. You may ask how and why? because I had to work through what the Atheist say about the Bible and the attacks on what they say as false prophecies and plagiarisms, etc. What I found was that many of the same arguments Atheists used against the Bible and its' prophets were the same used against Ellen White. This doesn't in itself mean Ellen White is a prophet but as I looked closer at the arguments and worked through them with the same process that allowed me to accept the Bible and its' writers, I found Ellen White was cut out of the same cloth with her predecessors. I'm in the SDA church not because of Ellen White but because God led me to study the word and to find that the teachings of the SDA church is true. I love my brothers in other denominations but I stand here as an SDA ready to defend my faith with the SCRIPTURES ALONE because I've studied for myself and believe it through the word of God. If we have a discussion in any belief, I don't need Ellen White's writings to back me up -- All I need is the Bible. However, many here judge her from afar. I challenge you to read books like Pathriarchs and Prophets or the Desire of Ages and see for yourself if she lifts up Jesus. God bless!

[@elijahrodgers416]

Amen!

[@prayerpower1585]

Yes. Thank you for your testimony. The Desire of Ages brought me closer to Christ. Someone else said if you want to know if she was an upright person, read her biography to see how she lived her life as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian.

[@Drfresh1402]

Amen!!!

[@lexington4]

Classic SDA rebuttal. You hold to Ellen G. even though her teachings are heterodox at best and heretical at worst. So you joined the SDA cult being influenced by her teachings whether you knew it or not. If you disagree then how about you disavow and denounce Ellen G clearly and expressly. No word games or proof texting. Lol

[@glardyschurer]

I am a seventh day adventist as well I’d love to answer some questions too. 1) im gonna just throw that out there Adventist means ppl that believe in Jesus’ second return. You guys can go check it out 2) sda is not a cult it is a movement. So now some people from the sda community who don’t have a clue on why they’re sda make it look like this. Some of our elders who are very conservative make ppl think that it is a cult but just know that sda started as a movement after the « great disappointment » 3) it started with a bunch of pioneers who thought that Jesus was coming in 1844 but they were wrong… long story short then the movement started All these pioneers were initially baptist Name « William Miller » 4) the youths nowadays don’t know the story and I dont blame them because we have lost our way and now we’re only fighting amongst ourselves but I would say I know why I am seventh day and it is not a cult. 5) sabbath cannot save us because we are saved by grace; however if we want to take the cross and follow Jesus like he asked us to (Matt 16v24-26) then we also have to be obedient He rested in the sabbath so we do it as a sign of obedience. I could say more but … until next time

[@davidfarr1976]

I’d like to ask a question… How do you keep the Sabbath?

[@arethawoodly9545]

​@@davidfarr1976great ?

[@jelena-aka-jelzie91]

@@davidfarr1976 The Sabbath is God’s gift to us, an offer to improve the quality of our life and the quality of our relationship with the Godhead. Therefore, God does not only tell us to observe the Sabbath day, but gives us instruction on how to do it so that the day may become a real blessing for us. I. The Sabbath as a Benefactor Mark 2:27 - In his love God instituted the Sabbath to benefit humankind. Isa 58:13-14 - The Sabbath allows us to take delight in the Lord. 1 Cor 13:1-3 - We do not just keep the Sabbath because it is the day God wants us to observe, but because we love him. II. Tips for a Happy Sabbath 1. Beginning and End The Sabbath last from sundown to sundown (Gen 1:5; Lev 23:32; Luke 4:31, 40). 2. Biblical Advice (1) Preparation Exod 16:22-24 - For the Sabbath to become an anti-stress day and a good experience it must be prepared in advance (Luke 23:54). (2) Rest Exod 20:8-11 - Humans and animals should enjoy rest on the Sabbath. Fellow humans do not need to work for us. Children and youth participate in the joy, rest, and reflection on God by if not attending school or college. Exod 34:21 - Even when pressed by deadlines we still enjoy the divinely given rest. (3) Activities Matt 12:9-12 - Jesus set an example of Sabbath keeping by having an eye for the needs of fellow humans and doing good. We serve God and may proclaim the gospel (Acts 17:2-3). Heb 10:24-25 - We are called to attend the worship service to encounter our Lord. Mark 1:29; Luke 14:1 - Hospitality is important which allows for fellowship with humans and God. Matt 12:1 - Oftentimes in nature we feel closer to God. Jesus spent part of the Sabbath in nature. Isa 58:13-14 - We turn away from selfishness and do things that are pleasing to God. That includes avoiding things that rob the Sabbath of its distinctness and its blessing such as watching non-Christian TV programs, reading the newspaper, attending non-Christian meetings, undertaking long journeys (Matt 24:20), selling and buying (Neh 13:15-22), etc. III. An Ideal Sabbath (1) Anticipation During the week our thoughts go to the Sabbath. The preparation for the next Sabbath begins on Sunday. (2) The Day of Preparation 2 On Friday the cleaning of the house and the preparation of food etc. for the festive day is being finished. (3) Beginning of the Sabbath Fellowship with the family or believers is important. We create a Sabbath atmosphere, for instance, by having special but simple meals, flowers, good music, etc. We try to be creative. Without hectic and yet in time we begin the Sabbath with a devotional, songs, prayers, and we take time for our children (telling a story, spending time for questions, playing a biblical game). We go to bed in time to be fresh for the next morning. (4) Sabbath Morning We try to create a loving atmosphere, get dressed for church, have a good breakfast, and attend church. In church be take part in the worship service, show respect, but are open to others and fellowship with them. A silent prayer after we have entered the sanctuary may help us to concentrate on worshiping God. (5) Sabbath Noon We may participate in a fellowship meal, enjoy hospitality or invite people to our home. A simple but good meal on a nicely laid table can be wonderful. (6) Sabbath Afternoon A nap, a walk through nature, reading good books, studying Scripture, listening to or making good music, witnessing, visiting other people, playing biblical games with children, having meaningful conversations may be good Sabbath afternoon activities. (7) Ending the Sabbath Attending a vespers or having a devotional in one’s home thanking the Lord for the Sabbath and looking forward to God’s guidance during the new week may be meaningful. These suggestions regarding an ideal Sabbath are not rules but suggestions that may help us to create a wonderful Sabbath experience. By refraining from some things and doing others the day becomes a special day, the best day of the week. We remember: The Sabbath is a day of worship, a festive day, and a day of service. It is a foretaste of the new earth. We thank the Lord for this extraordinary gift and do what is pleasing to him. That will also be most beneficial for us.

[@jelena-aka-jelzie91]

The Sabbath is God’s gift to us, an offer to improve the quality of our life and the quality of our relationship with the Godhead. Therefore, God does not only tell us to observe the Sabbath day, but gives us instruction on how to do it so that the day may become a real blessing for us. I. The Sabbath as a Benefactor Mark 2:27 - In his love God instituted the Sabbath to benefit humankind. Isa 58:13-14 - The Sabbath allows us to take delight in the Lord. 1 Cor 13:1-3 - We do not just keep the Sabbath because it is the day God wants us to observe, but because we love him. II. Tips for a Happy Sabbath 1. Beginning and End The Sabbath last from sundown to sundown (Gen 1:5; Lev 23:32; Luke 4:31, 40). 2. Biblical Advice (1) Preparation Exod 16:22-24 - For the Sabbath to become an anti-stress day and a good experience it must be prepared in advance (Luke 23:54). (2) Rest Exod 20:8-11 - Humans and animals should enjoy rest on the Sabbath. Fellow humans do not need to work for us. Children and youth participate in the joy, rest, and reflection on God by if not attending school or college. Exod 34:21 - Even when pressed by deadlines we still enjoy the divinely given rest. (3) Activities Matt 12:9-12 - Jesus set an example of Sabbath keeping by having an eye for the needs of fellow humans and doing good. We serve God and may proclaim the gospel (Acts 17:2-3). Heb 10:24-25 - We are called to attend the worship service to encounter our Lord. Mark 1:29; Luke 14:1 - Hospitality is important which allows for fellowship with humans and God. Matt 12:1 - Oftentimes in nature we feel closer to God. Jesus spent part of the Sabbath in nature. Isa 58:13-14 - We turn away from selfishness and do things that are pleasing to God. That includes avoiding things that rob the Sabbath of its distinctness and its blessing such as watching non-Christian TV programs, reading the newspaper, attending non-Christian meetings, undertaking long journeys (Matt 24:20), selling and buying (Neh 13:15-22), etc. III. An Ideal Sabbath (1) Anticipation During the week our thoughts go to the Sabbath. The preparation for the next Sabbath begins on Sunday. (2) The Day of Preparation 2 On Friday the cleaning of the house and the preparation of food etc. for the festive day is being finished. (3) Beginning of the Sabbath Fellowship with the family or believers is important. We create a Sabbath atmosphere, for instance, by having special but simple meals, flowers, good music, etc. We try to be creative. Without hectic and yet in time we begin the Sabbath with a devotional, songs, prayers, and we take time for our children (telling a story, spending time for questions, playing a biblical game). We go to bed in time to be fresh for the next morning. (4) Sabbath Morning We try to create a loving atmosphere, get dressed for church, have a good breakfast, and attend church. In church be take part in the worship service, show respect, but are open to others and fellowship with them. A silent prayer after we have entered the sanctuary may help us to concentrate on worshiping God. (5) Sabbath Noon We may participate in a fellowship meal, enjoy hospitality or invite people to our home. A simple but good meal on a nicely laid table can be wonderful. (6) Sabbath Afternoon A nap, a walk through nature, reading good books, studying Scripture, listening to or making good music, witnessing, visiting other people, playing biblical games with children, having meaningful conversations may be good Sabbath afternoon activities. (7) Ending the Sabbath Attending a vespers or having a devotional in one’s home thanking the Lord for the Sabbath and looking forward to God’s guidance during the new week may be meaningful. These suggestions regarding an ideal Sabbath are not rules but suggestions that may help us to create a wonderful Sabbath experience. By refraining from some things and doing others the day becomes a special day, the best day of the week. We remember: The Sabbath is a day of worship, a festive day, and a day of service. It is a foretaste of the new earth. We thank the Lord for this extraordinary gift and do what is pleasing to him. That will also be most beneficial for us.

[@willnautical2774]

@@davidfarr1976Keeping it Holy and reserving that time for communion with God. No working. Resting and praying worshiping eating with Jesus. Learning about Him and praising Him to. As a kid I remember the elders in my family would open sabbath with a praise and worship session and a prayer to bless the sabbath. Than we would turn tv off and rest and read scripture for sabbath school study. Only things we could watch on tv was gospel music or movies about God.😂 I loved growing up the SDA way. That time to rest and keep the sabbath day Holy taught me that God is still here above all else. It reminds me how much I need Him.

[@Batenga-i2j]

My husband's family is SDA and my kids go to SDA Bible school. Having grown up Baptist, I do not go to an SDA church but it has been truly a blessing for my kids. They've learned so much about the Bible, and school is like a big family, teachers that actually love their students. So putting my kids from public to SDA school as a non-SDA, I only have good things to say.

[@Jehu_Adonai]

What does that have to do with their doctrine, remove your feelings from the facts. I grew up in a SDA, what do the kids being good and the ppl being nice have to do with the denomination being founded on heresy. All that is a masquerade.

[@powerofthelamb]

That’s a great testimony. And yes, nice churches can leave a good impression. The good thing, our teachings are solidly based on the Bible. The absolute vitriol against the sda church ought to tell you something. If you decide to investigate, text everything by the Word. Just as you wouldn’t go to a Christian turn atheist to know what Christians believe, better not to get from former sdas what sdas believe. It tends to be skewed. Seriously skewed. Hope to demonstrate this soon in a hopeful part 3.

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@powerofthelambU said better not go to former sda's to know what sda's BELIEVE? REALLY pastor Myers. From the comment section alone proves most sda's are unable to DEFEND WHAT THEY BELIEVE. THE MOMENT U POSTED A COMMENT THEY LATCHED ON REQUESTING U DEFEND THEIR TEACHINGS. THEY r only able to régurgitate what THEY here from the pulpit , WITH inability to répond to the many eronious socalled truths THEY WERE fed through prooftexting of SCRIPTURES .

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@powerofthelambNOONE needs to talk to an sda to know what ur doctrines teach. It Takes one CLICK THROUGH UR MANY OFFICIAL PUBLICATIONS. TELL ME why is it ur issue WITH People WHO have escaped adventism not fit to statère what u teach? R THEY now oblivious to adventism doctrines non that THEY left ? Wasnt PASTOR Thunder equipped as à conférence evangelist to lead his flock, And not just à mère individual sitting in thé pew? What l'âme excuse. I say pastor Elce is extremely equipped to tell the world of adventism heracies since hé evolved from the same scholarly level. Peace

[@katmossa3503]

Imo SDA is the main denomination that knows their bible front to back.My mom can pull out probably 40-50 verses off the top her head. Growing up they tried drilling us with learning a certain amount verses each month. So when ppl say we put egw above the bible it sounds ridiculous. Do some ppl use her writings in that way sure. Bad adventist exist just as much as bad baptist or evangelicals etc. Growing up i consistently heard ppl say read the bible for yourself and thats what u gotta do.

[@charityhope9546]

When Preston ended with reading Holy scripture about Christ’s deity I got chills because nothing is more powerful than the Word, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us! Praise Christ Jesus, Holy of Holies!

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

You should watch some of my shows especially my last show but for 3 years now I've been arguing with Seventh-day Adventist trying to get straight answers and they won't give them to you on tough questions that actually confront their error

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

There was one show I did that was 9 hours, but I did not mean it to go that long. But what it was was that I decided to let a Seventh-Day Adventist come on and answer a couple of questions and 4 hours later my one question still wasn't answered

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

And I forgot to mention that the following week when I had another show he was acting like he answered everything I said when he didn't even answer the one question which was how does he interpret Daniel 8 versus 9 through 12 and I was not asking him to defend it I was just asking how he interpreted it and he kept acting very sheepish and dodging in

[@simonl4076]

From an Adventist Perspective concerning the Eternal Son of God (fully God) - In the beginning He was the Word, then Michael, then and Forever now Jesus. The disagreement is simply this... SDA see Michael as title for preincarnate Jesus (not a created angelic being). Most other faiths insist that Michael is just a created angelic being not a title for Jesus. But we can both agree that Jesus is the eternal Son of God (not a created being as the Jehovah Witness do). I think Preston missed this crucial point/distinction in this discussion which is pretty surprising. It's not a difficult distinction to understand even if one disagrees with it. Let's do better on accurately representing "the other side" please.

[@prayerpower1585]

@@chrislucastheprotestantview Maybe the issue is with that one person

[@danalightbourne8535]

And so it begins… 🙏🏾 My prayer is that videos like this lead us to EXTENSIVE study. If you go to the Word of God seeking to only defend something you already believe, you’ll remain a man/woman convinced of your own opinion. But if you study the Bible alone with no preconceived notions, asking the Holy Spirit to make it plain, you may be surprised at what you find. 💕🙏🏾

[@waithakahrukuh6221]

This is so good a comment . I always pray that God shed His light in my heart to even convict that which I believe or not and to research extensively by scripture

[@jcar3]

Much agreed. Hopefully people will do that. Turn to the word and prayerfully study things out.

[@Homeministry23]

This was awesome, because I was reminded by Paul in the Bible when they tried to stop his ministry the good news from going forth it was then that the truth went spreads out even further. Praise God he works in mysterious ways. God has used this opportunity, where the devil is trying to press down the TRUTH , by making all these false accusations on Adventist and there stand on the Word. But the TRUTH WILL ALWAYS WIN 🙏🏾🙌🏽. Praise be to God

[@powerofthelamb]

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[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

Well said. I have read the entire Bible 41 times and never found the teachings of the SDA church. I know for sure that my sins have been forgiven, that I have eternal life and will live forever with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Just read the Bible and follow Jesus. 💕 🙏🏼

[@PPNComedy]

I grew up in the SDA church, maybe i missed a bunch of classes, or didn't really understand what was being taught, but I don't recall the majority of what Dr. Thunder is talking about. We believe in the Trinity, we believe that Jesus is part of that Trinity and that Jesus is the eternal God and in the words of John 1v1 as well as John 3v16 and John 14v6. Great conversation and I'd love for an SDA representative to join the chat on part 3, whether a pastor or prominent social media presence I want to add that I am not angry and I don’t feel like getting defensive for the sake of the church, the only things I get defensive about are the teachings f the Bible and that steak should never be cooked well done, I just simply didn’t know about the things that were said and honestly find it all hard to believe, but I will say it’s possible and I keep an open mind to all convos. Thank you again to at least trying to be respectful to my church.

[@tiyeland]

respectfully, i think that is the point that was touched upon several times within the video. Many members of the SDA church/churches do not understand the foundational doctrine that the faith is based on and when you dive deeper it is not inline with the word of God. Matthew 34:25 says “Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word shall not pass away.” The word of God is one of the explicit foundations of the Christian faith and if it is contradicted by ‘human interpretations’ there is a problem. Just thought i’d share, thank you for your perspective!

[@PPNComedy]

@@tiyeland thank you for your perspective and being respectful, all I am really trying to say is that the churches I’ve been to and the pastors who share the word with us use scripture and only scripture. Maybe you get TGC here and there but it never contradicts scripture. I hear 2 Corinthians 5 v21 (“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”) preached and have never ever been taught that Satan was the scapegoat. All I ever hear is that we shall get to heaven through Christ alone, Grace through Faith, and that Works without Faith is dead and I never heard of this whole looking into your past to see if you deserve salvation thing. The evidence he brought out was damning towards the church and I do have questions, however I take it with a pinch of salt because I don’t know what was taken out of context and what is actually true. God bless you all, thank you for the discussion 🙏🏾

[@dabreez2489]

​@@tiyelandyou're partly lying through fam.Which part of Adventist is not in line with the teachings of the Bible?The main mantra of the Adventist church is "BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ALONE"

[@siobhancooper4717]

@@PPNComedy well at least you’re questioning it. Apparently this is on your website and this was red directly from these doctrines and if this is the foundation of your church, it makes everything else on top of it. False doesn’t sound like this is opinion. It’s actually stated as a foundational belief and the fact that, it may not be presented this way is still a problem because I would have a problem if this was the foundation of the religion that I was supporting because it doesn’t line up with the word of God and a particular church claiming to be SDA teaching it “” correctly doesn’t take away from the fact that this information is embedded as the foundation I would have to say peace out that’s like me finding out a Christian that my religion has some lady that claims to be a profit is saying things contradictory to the Bible that would be a problem to me and why are we still subscribing to this woman and why was this never discussed?

[@PPNComedy]

@siobhancooper4717 I get that, and I constantly have questions for the church, for all Christianity in general, but he specifically mentioned belief number 24, which from what I've read simply says those who died in Christ shall have eternal life. He also mentioned other things, but I haven't had the time to dive fully into all the points. The 24th belief just piqued my interest. And if I'm wrong, I'm willing to admit it and explore my options, I'm not married to the church I'm married to Christ and I definitely wouldn't want to follow anything that contradicts Christ's words. I have heard Michael being Jesus in the church before, that I'll hold my hands up and request answers from my elders and pastor in Bible study, but that's what we do 'BIBLE STUDY' any book which is referenced such as the great controversy or steps to Christ and so on are only used as secondary texts to help support the Bible and never replace it or be above it, so I'll continue to read and research and ask questions, but so far I'm more skeptical than believing in the words of Dr Thunder (dope name by the way)

[@paulinaadjei1725]

Why do still wants a non-Adventist to discuss Adventistism? Preston has been having conversations with Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses themselves. You don't discuss them with others so why don't you do the same with Adventists if you want to be fair?

[@jelena-aka-jelzie91]

Exactly this! So many great Adventists they could have invited on.

[@skai1727]

They tried their best to get an Adventist on but they did respond. Are they supposed to dragged them on? Come on

[@ComplexedSimplicity]

@@skai1727- they have been approached on many occasions. But won’t bring them on for some reason.

[@jcar3]

@@skai1727 That does not seem to be exactly true.

[@Homeministry23]

@@skai1727 again read Ivor myers comment he was mentioned in this video 1:020, and because of that pastor Ivor myers himself commented on this video trying to reach out, he commented using his ministry page Living manner and he ask to come in and explain his faith in world view , but until today they still haven’t. As far as mr Thunder all his accusations are FALSE period 💯🙏🏾. Because they didn’t invite him He has now made a video Clarifying all this accusations, and the video is called “FACT CHECK”. Go watch pastor Ivor Myers video on this false claim happy to share you the link. It’s wise to Hear both side of the story don’t you think?! Pray about it and sincerely ask the Holy Spirit to guide as you watch Ivor Myers Fact Check video. God Bless

[@caseydaniel8852]

Pastor Doug Batchelor & Pastor Ivory Myers please

[@BillyBobJoe-os1ug]

Hi Brother

[@themastermindinstitute3245]

And toss in Water Veith for safe measures if they are serious about truth

[@ryanfox4712]

They’ll get destroyed 😂 Adventism is a cult

[@KaraMYoung]

I’m no longer SDA, but it’s inaccurate to characterize the church as not being Trinitarian. Notwithstanding the fact that the founders of the church indeed were not Trinitarians, the official stance of the church TODAY is Trinitarian. The Trinity is fundamental belief #2, and most (if not all) current SDAs identify as Trinitarians, hence the confusion around someone stating otherwise.

[@ltai-now]

That’s not inaccurate, I was shocked when I found out from other SDA’s that this is true, there are definitely non Trinidadian SDA’s

[@aymericst-louis-gabriel8314]

The are non-trinitatian SDAs, yes. Please join us in showing them how incorrect they are.

[@goldenstar50L]

For me, it’s the fact that he claims he was a “somebody” in the church and was going to school for a theology degree but blatantly misrepresents SDA doctrines such as the belief in the trinity as you accurately pointed out. How then can anyone believe whatever else he has to say? A simple reading of the fundamental beliefs would prove he has deceived himself.

[@user-jh6kl8jq8l]

YOOOO....I bugged out when I heard that! I been SDA way longer then him and neva hoid of that crap. Get real Jesi vibes from this guy.

[@robertmokaya4773]

@@ltai-now there is Reformed SDA's not our sda

[@kwministries255]

I’m a pastor in the Adventist church and I’ll come on.

[@msnoel10]

Not for nothing… this comment section shows just how many SDAs love and support the Perrys 😂❤

[@cmbtheambassador5773]

facts! 😅😅😅😅

[@raeleneg4280]

We do love them. I truly believe they are Spirit led. They haven’t done anything wrong, they hosted two people who shared their opinions. These opinions have no bearing on my relationship with God. My belief is in Him/Them…no one else and certainly in no denomination.

[@iriemo721]

If I comment on a video of the news does that mean I support the news? No. It means I saw the video and commented on it. Don’t be silly.

[@Ms.HumbleEmpress]

😂😂😂😂

[@zakila2cute]

😂😂, not for nothing, SDA’s knows authentic folks….😃😄We love the Perry’s!

[@pastorwaleade]

I’m a pastor in the Adventist Church. I’ll come on the show…

[@faithmason9562]

Please come and answer questions. Please do not waste our time by deflection.

[@iriemo721]

@@faithmason9562your attitude is wrong from the gate. Didnt perry say that people should have religious discourse respectfully and peacefully. Your stance before he even arrive is counter to that counsel.

[@FlockOfYahweh]

@@iriemo721and that’s what enables the heretics, we ought to be bold out of love, not nice for peoples feelings

[@iriemo721]

@@FlockOfYahwehrespect doesn’t enable. Respect allows constructive discourse. Bold doesn’t mean disrespect, or snark. If the goal is to share light and shed light to a brother, from a place of love not a place of criticism and superiority, the attitude should align with that. Saying: then actually answer questions and don’t waste our time. I could see the neck rolling all the way over here. Truth be told, this whole thing is a waste of time, discussing how somebody thinks one set of people live their lives and interpret their Bible. It doesn’t change money, health, or salvation so how is it not already a waste of time. They were willing to waste their time on this couch, rehearsing amongst themselves things that made them feel good. Look at us, we’re smarter, we’re enlightened. If the Perry’s were truly interested in hearing about what sdas believe in order to assess if it’s a cult, wouldnt it make more sense to hear from actual sdas. Theres no interest in learning or hearing. Theres interest in critiquing. Who gives the Perry’s authority to decide what’s a cult and what’s not? What’s false doctrine and what’s not? What’s not biblical and what is? And ultimately does it matter? Does their opinion matter? If these 4 people say adventism js a cult what happens next. NOTHING. Therein lies the waste of time.

[@FlockOfYahweh]

@@iriemo721 reading what you just said, i can tell your not a real Christian. It may have sounded good in the beginning with the whole being respectful thing, but it doesn’t sound like your saved. You really making it seem like SDA could potentially have true doctrine. Wow.

[@BriannaIlene]

I’m not really big on commenting, but the last couple of days have left me feeling particularly perturbed. As someone who has enjoyed this podcast for years, I would’ve loved a more scripture-based, discussion approach to breaking down the beliefs rather than an opinion based attack as to why SDA is not a denomination. Geographical location and culture have such a huge impact on how the fundamental beliefs are understood, lived out, and apparently how they are taught within institutions. Location and culture can also play a part in how heavily Ellen G White’s writings are pushed/revered (they should be used more as Biblical commentary, not revered; but, there are extremists in all walks of life). To have a former SDA member from Jamaica speak very boldly about the beliefs of a global church, without prefacing the impact of culture and experience on understanding, feels like a great disservice, particularly when teaching about the belief system of a global church. I don’t want to negate Mr. Lauriston’s experience. If he was truly taught the things that he said, they were a bastardization of the truth and that should be investigated by the conference, union or otherwise. As someone who was raised in the Adventist church, matriculated through Adventist academy, and has attended Adventist churches all across the United States as well as in Northern Ireland - I can very firmly say that I have never been taught or received a word that aligns with the statements he made in this video. That’s not to say there weren’t any truths told. Growing up in academy, I had to learn church history in some of my religion courses, so I’m familiar with the beginnings of Seventh-Day Adventism and can confirm pieces of what he stated. However, some of the statements made were very clearly twisted to help Mr. Lauriston make his point (re: the "what they really mean" moments). First and foremost we believe in the Word - sola Scriptura. This can be see at the top of the Adventist beliefs webpage. We also proclaim the deity of Christ. We don’t believe that Jesus was created, rather He is one of three coeternal persons that make up the Trinity. Per the beliefs webpage “God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly human, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God.” I’ve had pastors, conference presidents, and even a GC vice president in my family, and I never heard otherwise on that front. Jesus is God. Always has been, always will be. That’s about all I feel compelled to say on the matter. Looking forward to a part 3 where this can be discussed further. I’ll be going back to my lane of music ministry and focusing on how I can best serve both my Saturday and Sunday churches. Blessings 🫡

[@matthewdaley2018]

Well said!!! Proud to know you @Brianna! And yes, let’s pray for a part 3 (with a current, practicing, and knowledgeable SDA leader participating in the discussion)!

[@barbarasteele7185]

AMEN!!! This discussion was one sided. In all fairness there should be someone who is quite knowledgeable defending the SDA Church and its beliefs and the Bible in hand. This man is here trying to discredit the Adventist Church and its teachings. We as Adventists always acknowledge the Bible and its teachings as the Greater Light and Sis. White’s teachings as the Lesser Light . So right there he told a lie when he claimed that SDA puts Ellen G. White’s writing above the Bible. The Devil is a roaring lion , seeking those he can devour 😢. Again , it is not fair to have someone speaking out so boldly against the SDA Church or anyone for that matter and not allowing such persons or organizations to defend themselves. In court there is a prosecution team and defending teams of lawyers. Yes, let us keep it real .

[@jessicaacevedo4673]

@@barbarasteele7185but the foundation of the church is based off of Ellen G White, also the persecution of the Sunday law. There’s a lot of fear that’s inputted onto the church. At least this was my experience growing up, I never really knew who Jesus was. I knew religion never relationship.

[@MichaellaSapphire]

@@jessicaacevedo4673I've been an Adventist all my life, never stopped going to church but I was doing everything my own way. I only truly returned to God in my mid-20s. I'm still an Adventist by choice. I believe that this church has the truth. But in order to see that have to find the truth for ourselves, sister.. It's both a curse and a blessing to be born Adventist.

[@kbobb1167]

It's founded on The WORD Jesus christ. ​@@jessicaacevedo4673

[@profitfromprophets2411]

I grew up Catholic. Now I am a Seventh-day Adventist. Thank God.

[@LibertyMission-l6g]

@profitfromprophets tell @Elizabeth-rk3do

[@listenup2882]

Same here.

[@NicholasDamienTunnell]

Hey me too!

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

I read the entire Bible 41 times. I follow Jesus Christ.💕 John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither shall any man pluck them out of my Father's hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.🕊

[@G.A-m1t]

Amen.

[@emaniparker5952]

As a SDA and as someone who’s always been a fan of the Perry’s . This video (especially the title lol) and the comments are extremely disappointing. I hope that in the future you guys get in touch with a real current sda and have a clear and open conversation about the beliefs. To answer the question, no Adventism is not a cult. It’s a religion just like Baptist and Catholicism and everyone else. the judgement in the comments is a little left field but to each their own. God bless y’all . 🙏🏽

[@simplysarab1625]

My same sentiments

[@hybridnotes]

…and Ellen G. White is not above the Bible nor is she the center of our faith. Like you, I’m disappointed.

[@fedcon4218]

May I ask, what are your beliefs on Ellen White's authority? Are you familiar with the term syncretism as it relates to biblical beliefs?

[@gabazinxumalo8994]

My sentiments exactly, the man in the podcast went as far as to say that SDAs believe that EG White's writing are above the word of God! ahhhhh that broke my heart.

[@villain2374]

Try questioning Ellen White then see if it is a cult or not. how can you accept she is a prophet if you have not studied her? if she is the infallible interpreter of the Bible is she not then infallible? and if she is not infalliable how can she claim that the people who doubt her writings in the last days will not be saved. isn't the Bible the only standard for which all are saved? if ellen white is an infalliable interpreter of the Bible then we may not question her because to question her is to question the Bible. please watch a series called on ellen white by someone called test the prophet. God Bless

[@wallflower777]

Thank you for this episode. I am atttending an SDA church and I am struggling because certain questions started to come up. And when I ask, I don't get clear answers. My father was literally kicked out for asking questions. I appreciate this deep dive and would love a part three. A lot of people are mad in the comments. Put your feelings aside and do some research. Listen with an open heart. It's possible that we can be ignorant to the history of the SDA faith because it's not talke about at all.

[@iriemo721]

Individual SDA members don’t represent that church. They represent themselves. Every nasty Baptist mother who brings women a covering scarf cuz she thinks her skirt is too short is representing herself. No one uses that as reason to call the Baptist church a cult. Every member can’t answer your questions, take them to someone qualified and to the Holy Spirit. Whoever chased your father from the church was wrong (if that’s what happened). The represent themself, not the church .

[@awntruth]

It seems as though your questions weren't answered at your church, but don't listen to a random ex SDA for answers. Do your own research. This person is incorrect. SDAs do not believe what he is accusing them of believing.

[@iriemo721]

@@awntruthI’m sorry that was your experience and your father’s. Read and study and ask God for clarity.

[@awntruth]

@@iriemo721 you replied to the wrong person

[@fedcon4218]

Salvation can only come by a proper believeth in the deity of Christ (Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, who came to die for the sins of the whole world). If any church has that part wrong then it's a dead give away that they are teaching falsely. There's no need for a deep dive after that😊

[@missxealaneous7713]

The Myers' Response Video: kzbin.infoVqIl3tmoeEU?feature=shared This may be of interest to some. Pastor Ivor Myers and his wife responded to many of the claims made in this video. It's always hard to hear people misrepresent my faith, but I hope this video will be helpful to those seeking answers. And always...study for yourself! We must all be ready to answer for the hope that is in us. Blessings to everyone.

[@williciayod7]

Yes, it is so good!

[@Jamaica_K_Lifestyle]

Greetings. This is from SDA Pastor Ivor Myers: Somebody send this message to the Perrys. "Brother Perry. I don't know if you will see this. This is Pastor Myers. I am here for part 3. It was brought to my attention that you said you had invited several SDA pastors to come on to your podcast to address SDA beliefs and that none of them took you up on the offer or responded, and I believe that my name was mentioned as one of those pastors. If I was was one of them, I never received such an invitation. I was told by several people you were going to reach out to me, but that reach out never came. if I missed it, my bad. But I am making this public in hopes that you see it and that others will bring it to your attention. I will reach out to you and your wife on all your other platforms as well. I am interested in having a cordial and respectful conversation with you and and sister Perry."

[@charlesbrown8216]

………and their guests.

[@Stefflori214]

At this point reconsider you guys relationship with Mason, because the lack of wisdom shared between him & thunder is detrimental to where God is wanting to take you guys. You guys need to do your own research and studying before bringing people like that into your program. I’m not even SDA and with research I pinpointed all of the false information & seeing Ivor myers video highlighted them even more. Just go ahead and take this video down. Matter of fact humble yourselves and apologize for allowing this spread of misinformation on your platform.

[@mauricethomas7090]

@@Stefflori214 can you give 2-3 examples of what was false in there presentation?

[@NadiaJamaal]

​@@mauricethomas7090kzbin.infoVqIl3tmoeEU?si=8DdVFoAqnEUHZ2x8

[@BelikeJacob]

​@@mauricethomas7090 kzbin.infoVqIl3tmoeEU?si=RP3S_OgvFL7h0IND

[@Stefflori214]

@@mauricethomas7090 The two that encouraged me to research were, SDA's Believe Jesus was Exalted to Deity of Jesus and SDA's Believe that Jesus and Lucifer Were Once Equal. That was extremely false and misleading. If you do not want to research like I did, look into the gentleman Ivor myers fact check video.

[@mauricethomas7090]

@@Stefflori214 what/who is the source of your research? Is it the Bible or other writings? Sources so I can read them for myself.

[@OHDENNIKA]

Please consider these leaders of the faith that I believe will be more than willing to have a conversation: Debleaire Snell, Wesley Knight, Jamie Kowlessar, and Myron Edmonds. I think it does the sda faith a disservice to not have PRACTICING members of the faith to get to the true intention of this conversation. Peace & Blessings❤

[@Mike2elmundo]

Thank you sis

[@kindnesswins2025]

I think Ivor Myers would be awesome. He says that they lied by saying that they invited him to be on the podcast.

[@selicamcdowall4551]

As well as randy Skeete

[@byronjones9786]

...but have you checked the aforementioned sources yourself to see if these claims are true?

[@mechelleshannise]

Thank you… Please consider these pastors

[@edwardbryan3378]

I am such a big fan of Jackie Perry Hill and the things that the Lord has done in her life and through her life. However, I have lost a lot of respect for her as a public figure and for the integrity of her ministry due to the bombardment of misinformation animus representation in this video. While it may not have come from her directly... she has established the platform for misrepresentation to go out to the world without providing a first-hand source, and it makes me question the authenticity of her ministry in general.

[@knichelle9566]

And to add that she silently sat by like, ‘ mine name is Benit and I ain’t in it’!

[@simplysarab1625]

On a brighter note thanks for putting a spot light on the Adventist Church... What the enemy meant for eveil God will turn it around for good!!!!!!!!!

[@Candie4JC]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@ejiroelems44]

Hallelujah

[@dollifiedbyestha]

AMEN 🙏🏽

[@villain2374]

Who is the enemy in the case those not Adventists? lol

[@simplysarab1625]

@@villain2374 the enemy is always Satan and his demons ..for we wrestle not against flesh and blood.

[@_the_piano_project_9214]

I’m an SDA member, but, I have never vowed to uphold the writings of Ellen White above the Bible. I think there is a difference between SDA teaching’s in the Caribbean versus in the United States. My belief system is founded on scripture alone.

[@Gloryiahh]

It’s found it on scripture here as well…. Ellen White is not above the Bible. She says so herself as well. I’m not sure where they got that information from purely made up.

[@jcar3]

Whether in the Caribbean or USA, it is not a fundamental belief to uphold the writings of Ellen White above the Bible. In fact, it's not even a requirement of membership. What we believe is that the Spirit of Prophecy is present with the God's end time, remnant church. However, it may be that some places in the Caribbean are more conservative that some places in the USA but thats a whole other topic. So yeah, great testimony of what you vowed VS what you didn't.

[@listenup2882]

Nowhere in the Caribbean are the writings of Ellen White officially regarded more highly than the bible. Ellen White herself makes it clear that the bible supercedes her writings.

[@michieal-yn5gg]

JW's and mormons claim it too.

[@MrWaves-oj9ge]

you cant have a great controversy world view without ellen white's writings

[@morganwickizer5835]

I grew up SDA and have always felt like something was off. I left the church and tried to rejoin and was met with the same conclusions once again. I have been struggling with it lately and I believe God wanted me to see this video.

[@iriemo721]

Follow God, not any denomination. You don’t have to feel that something is “on” with the Adventist church. It’s not a requirement for salvation. Dont leave and come back to see what’s happening. If it feels off, it feels off. Serve god without boundaries and titles and any association other than being a believer of the one true God. Go find a non denominational church or no church at all.

[@rachel.doremi6974]

Definitely, If you can clearly see the presence of God is not in a church, it’s mostly definitely a sign to seek His biblical truth through prayer and faithfulness, 🥰… the flaws of humanity limit the true impact churches can really have on our lives… Christ should be the forefront of a church! And seeing people putting themselves before Him is a clear sign to move on

[@christinafarmer9184]

Praise God. Please find a Bible based church where you can study and grow! I’m former Adventist and I go to a southern Baptist church. We have Bible study verse by verse each week and discipleship training classes. I pray the Holy Spirit will continue to walk with you and Lead you to a church that can share the gospel and answer your questions

[@cmbtheambassador5773]

Thank God for discernment. Praying that you continue to seek truth and find a sound church home. 🙏🏿 Many of us who grew up in SDA had questions. I truly believe those who ask the right questions are truth seekers and will come to the same/similar conclusions and eventually leave. SDAism is most definitely a theological house of cards.

[@morganwickizer5835]

Thank you all for reading my comment and even replying. SDA churches that I went to do not have the oresence of God within them. They also raise there kids in there own funded private schools and keep us in this bubble. Every Bible study I went to and asked question I would get answers that literally don’t answer my questions. When I chose to go baptized my uncle baptized me in a pool because I did not want to get baptized into that church and I’m glad I didn’t.

[@ElijahAndMoses]

What comes to mind when one hears the word "cult"? Immediately one thinks of antisocial, dangerous and other similar negative characteristics. To place such a label on others who are decent law-abiding citizens, simply because they have a different religious viewpoint, is unchristian and intolerant.

[@libertecherie6537]

Charismatic leader, a lot of power and money, preying for the third world countries, making members think they are special, aside, superior, demonizing ex members. Looks like JW, scientology...and sda.

[@malachicasimir8294]

being sda sounds like a lot of weight that you’re not even supposed to carry

[@jewelbrooks6548]

As a former SDA, it is a lot of weight! I'm so grateful to no longer be under that weight

[@prayerpower1585]

Jesus says my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

[@msladymack1960]

When you've not studied for yourself, or established a relationship with Christ then one could feel just that... But, a loving relationship is Christ saying, "take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light..." A yoke and a burden... wow, really Jesus..? Yes...

[@jewelbrooks6548]

I understand what you are saying but I was a fourth-generation SDA which means I grew up learning nothing but the Adventist teachings. As Elce started on this podcast Adventist teaching left me feeling burned because it is a works-based religion. In 2020 my family and I decided to study Romans and that is when God opened my eyes and my burned was lifted. My point is your foundation/doctrines/teachings matter because those teachings impact how you read and understand the Bible. I know it was nothing but God who freed me from the Adventist teachings

[@christinafarmer9184]

Absolutely. It’s a work based religion. We have been made free in Christ. SDAs are under the bondage of the law and their man made doctrines.

[@Catsndogsz]

I was excited to watch as an SDA who’s been following you for years, but these comments are discouraging me, doesn’t sound like a fair interview…

[@crystal9626]

How could it be fair with no one to respond

[@lalittl]

Everyone they invited refused to come, people are leaving comments without listening to the video at all

[@IvyElizabeth918]

@@lalittl we listened… the conversation could have been tabled until they received a response. There’s millions of adventists worldwide. They could have found someone.

[@prayerpower1585]

@@IvyElizabeth918 Exactly. That's a poor excuse that those they invited said no. It's disingenuous. Whom did they invite, via what means, where, when, and how many people did they invite? There's no answer to that. Instead they invited an ex-SDA who agrees with their original guest. That sounds right out of the playbook of deception.

[@msladymack1960]

​@@lalittlWho were invited that refused? Several on The Instagram post said they waited for an invite, but never refused. One thing you will discover is a true SDA Apologist are never afraid to answer questions on what SDAs Believe...and there are plenty.🙏🏾📖🔥 God Bless.

[@politicallyincorrect1283]

I know they said they tried to get a current SDA to sit in on this conversation but this guy is speaking from anecdotal experiences. No one in this discussion is SDA. It would be like debating Judaism with no practicing Jews present

[@shottyrunkz]

He literally read from their own conference proceedings, Ellen White, and the fundamental beliefs. 😅

[@07Shellywell]

@@shottyrunkzout of context and misinterpreted. SDA’s beliefs are Biblical it’s not EGW based as was portrayed in this video. There was egregious error all the out this video.

[@shottyrunkz]

@@07Shellywell hello, your own fundamental beliefs #18 refutes your claim. In fact, just in 2015, your General Conference said this as mention by Elce in the video: We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and 👉🏾correct inaccurate interpretations👈🏾 of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture. They also said “We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there.” So no, SDA beliefs are not Biblical but rather based on EGW’s interpretation of the Bible of which there are many errors.

[@mauricethomas7090]

@@07Shellywelldo you agree with this quote for the GC. ” The sins of the righteous having been transferred to Satan, he is made to suffer not only for his own rebellion, but for all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit.. GC 673.1 Great Controversy

[@justinpalmer1146]

​@@shottyrunkzjust as the people were sappose to follow the councels of moses because the laws and instructions he recieved was from God is the same way we as adventist follow the councels of Ellen G white because the laws and instructions are coming from God not herself . Her writings do not contrdict the bible > the sane way that the other prophets councels did not contradict what God has said . If you actually compared what she wrote you would see that it aligns with scripture. If you follow her writings you would be a better christian i promis3 you. By the way did you do the prophet test instead of just coming to the conclusion that shes not a true prophet? Also the bible is above the Ellen g white she even says that . We use the bible to confirm that what she is saying is true if anything contradicts the bible then we would not regard he mr as a true prophet. But her writings acts as a magnifine glass also it shows us CLEARLY what is already written in the word of God . The principles that are in the bible already are just magnified in her writings . God said believe his prophets and you will prosper. Before you knock Gods prophet consider her first and test the the things that are written .

[@Adesewa392]

I'm really appreciative of these videos as an SDA, it reveals to me how much I need to study my Bible to be grounded in my faith. Without the first video, I wouldn't have gone deeper into my studies of Leviticus 16 (scapegoat), my journey to choosing the SDA faith and why I believe it’s the closest to practicing the Biblical truths of the Bible, and why I believe Michael is Jesus. Sometimes we need to see other individuals' points of view to become more grounded in what we believe. That's what conversations are for, to share information. I do pray for the individuals in these programs. I am not really surprised that the SDA church is coming under attack for the Biblical truth it upholds, and that will happen in the last days, which we are in currently. My prayer for each person watching and participating in these videos is John 17:17, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” May we test every opinion, belief, and information to the Word of God and allow the Holy Spirit to guide us all. Have a blessed day! ‭‭ Proverbs 23:23 “Buy the truth, and do not sell it, also wisdom and instruction and understanding”.

[@missdailyo]

Amen

[@harroneguthrie]

Amen

[@gojade]

Absolutely, it only draws me closer to Christ, His word and His truth. We must be able to know God's word for ourselves.

[@ctrlshaid]

Amen. That was very well said.

[@rbb5980]

Unfortunately Michael is not Jesus. That is absolutely heresy.

[@AK-pz7om]

As someone who joined the SDA church as a child and left after 20 years, I appreciate this conversation. I asked a lot of similar questions and was gaslighted/made to feel like a black sheep repeatedly. It feels good to be validated. The people were great and I still have loved ones in the church so I didn’t leave over that. I mainly left over three theological differences, namely the following fundamental beliefs: #13 - The Remnant (agreed that a remnant church will exist, however it's heavily implied that Sunday worshippers will all see the "truth" and become Adventists) #18 - The Gift of Prophecy (I believe this exists, however I don't believe EGW's writings were divinely inspired. I question her medical history (high chance she was hallucinating), and many questionable figures in mid 1800s America believed God was talking to them. A lot of end times prophecy is also very American centred and fails to consider geopolitical relationships/ factors. #24 - Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary - I'm completely unsure of how humans are to know when exactly things are happening in the divine realm. On top of that, scatterbrained math being used to explain the great disappointment (when it's been fully made clear in the Bible that no man knows the day/hour that Christ will come) makes predicting His coming down to a date/year (along with many other events related to the end times) a futile mission and one that should've never been started in the first place. God is not one of confusion, and you don't get a do-over with prophecy. The Bible clearly outlines the benchmark for prophecies/prophets given that they're messengers of God. You get it wrong once and claimed that God spoke to you is making a mockery of Him. You're disqualified after that. Basing an entire fundamental belief off of this mistake is hilarious and misguided to the very high standard of Biblical prophecy. Peace and blessings to y’all, hope you can have another practicing SDA on so that you can directly speak to their beliefs and make the current SDAs feel heard as well

[@Jessaba]

These are some other KZbin channels with a wealth of real information about the SDA false gospel: Answering Adventism, former Adventist fellowship, academy apologia, SDA Q&A

[@AK-pz7om]

@@Jessaba yup, I’ve heard of some of these, thanks. Hopefully more people tap in as well!

[@prayerpower1585]

The local church may not be able to answer your questions. Also, some people get defensive when they cannot answer your questions or when there is difficulty understanding where others are coming from. The answers to all these questions are discussed on several SDA sites and in several books written by Adventists. I've heard several competent people who are good at Maths discuss these questions in several churches. Ellen White never predicted an exact date for the coming of Christ. Her first vision was after the Great Disappointment. So she didn't get it wrong once, she never predicted it. That was William Miller before the SDA church was formed. He never claimed to be a prophet. Regarding spiritual movements in the 1800's and other people also seeing dreams and visions, it's helpful to remember that we wrestle not against flesh and blood. Principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places are real. To your first point, the United States of America is a geopolitical giant and influencer. Even non-religious people will agree to that. So to me it makes sense that end time prophecy will center around the USA. But also, the role of spiritualism (miracles and the supernatural) to unite humans should not be underestimated or downplayed. That's where it becomes important to understand the history of Sunday worship (even outside of Christianity - it dates as far back as even ancient Babylon) and teachings about the state of the dead. Remember, we wrestle not against flesh and blood and the goal of the enemy is to confuse. But God is the Divine Creator who can bring order out of chaos. God bless.

[@AK-pz7om]

@@prayerpower1585 I know EGW didn’t make that prediction, my point was pretty clear in stating that using the mistake of the great disappointment and pivoting that into another doctrine was foolish. The answers aren’t adequate and I’m happily no longer a member of the church. Salute

[@prayerpower1585]

@@AK-pz7om We could make the same claims about Old Testament prophecies about who the Messiah is as a being (divine or human or both), His role, and when He would come. The disciples didn't fully understand that Jesus was God until after He died. He was right there explaining the Old Testament prophecies and yet they didn't fully get it. They saw Him as mostly an earthly king. Peter correctly identified Him as the Christ, the son of the living God, yet Peter didn't fully understand Christ's mission. So because the disciples got certain things wrong, does that mean that they should have stopped studying the Old Testament prophecies and trying to convince the Jews? The doctrine is about answering the statement in Daniel, until 2300 days then shall the sanctuary be cleansed, and studying that to see what it means. Studying that brings up questions about the second coming. Some people chose to continue to study, and some people chose not to out of embarrassment. It was not fun for anyone after the Great Disappointment. So it's not like they received money, praise, clout, accolades or admiration for continuing to study. The lost everything materially and simply wanted to know and follow the truth. There was nothing to be gained by 'spinning' the disappointment into a new doctrine. It was an honest search for truth. Do you have another explanation for the prophecies of Daniel and the prophecies of the second coming, that ties together all the lessons and prophecies of the Bible? The fundamental beliefs about the second coming and the sanctuary is not based off the Great Disappointment. All the best to you.

[@WhereWeAtTeam]

Every follower of Jesus Christ needs to find out why today's Church keeps Sunday holy when He kept the Seventh Day Sabbath ( Friday Sundown to Sat Sundown ) Holy.

[@LeslieBest-zp9qv]

This!! Absolutely this! I’m so surprised no one is addressing this!

[@Mahmie]

@@LeslieBest-zp9qvwhy would they? The aim is to villainise and not introspect or fairly discuss and converse.

[@jasminespencer2872]

Can you explain? From what I believe, we should keep everyday holy (not meaning that everyday God assigned as days of rest).

[@THTDCTR]

Just keep every day holy

[@Jehu_Adonai]

Jesus said he works on the Sabbath and was accused of breaking it all throughout the New Testament several ways. Him going to the synagogues to teach how Moses and the Prophets point to him is not keeping the Sabbath, because the Sabbath was a foreshadow of Him. The true rest giver and fufillment of the Sabbath.

[@abbigailglen]

Thank y'all for being courageous enough to have & share this conversation. 🙏🏾

[@crystal9626]

What’s courageous about it?

[@theway9156]

​@crystal9626 revealing the truth of Ellen g whites false teachings. Many don't know who she is and what she means to the SDA teachings.

[@prayerpower1585]

@@theway9156 It would be useful to read her writings for oneself and compare them with scripture.

[@rbb5980]

@@prayerpower1585 We have, many falsities in it. Manyyyy.

[@ladybee1311]

Hi Preston and Jackie. I must first say that I am someone who views your many presentations in there different forms here on youtube and consider you both to be a humble and transparent team/ couple. I have one question regarding this video tho... why would you ask someone's enemy to tell you about them?? Personally, I maintain an important practice: if i want to solve a problem with someone or get a question answered about someone, I'm going to THE PERSON themselves. I think you should have gotten someone from the SDA church if your goal was to find out about what they believe. In retrospect and reflection you might need to assess your true motive of producing this video.

[@thebestindewest]

...for views

[@yanaa03]

Preston literally said at the beginning of the video, he reached out to some SDA people but they either declined or did not respond, so that’s why they went with this method. Pay attention

[@ladybee1311]

@yanaa03 ok got you, thank you for your feedback... I still maintain that my principle is to talk to an individual personally instead of asking someone about them and worse yet definitely not their enemy at

[@KarenKimberly]

The Word is the Word. Follow it. Don’t add anything and Don’t remove anything. I appreciate this podcast. Keep it up Perry’s, speak the TRUTH.

[@misred28]

So why these people keep Sunday as holy day instead of the sabbath created by GOD? 😊

[@c0zyg1rl]

I was raised SDA and left the church after studying the Bible for myself. I appreciate y’all for this because I believe God is in the process of exposing everything that is not like Him and many people who identify as SDA need to see this.

[@kethibqere]

I am curious, what specifically made you leave the SDA Church?

[@margirl2480]

Really curious what it or the many things that you saw that didn't line up?

[@osarameau]

Yes what did you see?

[@c0zyg1rl]

@@kethibqere fundamental belief 24 that talks about Christ’s ministry in the heavenly sanctuary is not biblical. investigative judgement is not a biblical concept and to say that in 1844 Christ entered the last phase of atonement is blasphemous because atonement was completed when He rose from the grave. that belief alone is heresy because it is essentially saying that Christ dying and resurrecting was not enough to save us and that He now needs to complete investigative judgement to finish the job which is not true or biblical. that alone is a huge cause for concern because Jesus finished atoning for our sins when He rose from the grave. additionally, the concept of the great disappointment in 1844 isn’t biblical because the bible says that no one knows when Christ will return, not even Jesus knows but only The Father knows that (matthew 24:36) so for William Miller to calculate when Christ would return isn’t biblical because nobody is supposed to know that. and I believe Hiram Edson, the man who said he heard from God that Christ moved to the most holy place in 1844 instead of coming back, thought he heard that from God but it was just something to cover up William Miller’s error in prophecy about Christ’s return. overall, “prophesying” about Christ’s return, saying Christ needs to complete investigative judgement to finish our atonement, and believing that going to church on Saturday will save us from hellfire are things that made me leave. I learned all this years ago way before this video came out so all of this is from my own research.

[@elijahrodgers416]

You can lie, misrepresent, name call, and slander, but that will never change the reality: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savoir, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgement before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.

[@CBCH3575]

This was good conversation. My only comment is to Pastor Mason. Whenever something was spoken that the SDA’s believe, I would encourage the refrain from downing them with, “that’s crazy.” That does not bless. It conveys superiority. So, as a believer, we are admonished to structure our words. It is about understanding what they believe and as Preston spoke, then, we can come together and get an understanding.✝️

[@bethanyp.6490]

This reads overly sensitive.

[@sinqobilem]

Womp womp.

[@sharlaamysamuel]

I am a Christian and currently a member of the SDA church. I have been really blessed by the Perrys’ ministry from P4CM days. I love the fact that they are so passionate about living authentically for the Lord. I think Preston gave a good example of what it means to be humble, fair and teachable in this episode. We should all aim to be like that. I think it would be a great to have a current SDA pastor to speak on this topic. I submit two names: Pastor Ivor Myers Pastor Dwayne Lemon The late Nefernitty was mentioned in the beginning and she even did a series with these pastors explaining what we believe with just the Bible. There is so much to say on this topic but I hope we all continue to humbly search the scriptures for truth and grow closer to Christ every day.

[@deus_vult8111]

Nefer nitty was sadly not a true Christian. SDAs are not true Christians. They have a totally different gospel from mainstream Christianity.

[@deus_vult8111]

Adventists are not Christians

[@sharlaamysamuel]

@@deus_vult8111 ok

[@joshuarichards2140]

@@deus_vult8111 definitely are bud but you have the right to believe what you want we definitely believe the Bible is above and and Jesus is Lord God bless 😊

[@deus_vult8111]

@@joshuarichards2140 No, you’re not Christians. You believe in a different Gospel, hence why SDAs try to proselytize real Christians. Galatians 1:8 says that anyone who brings a different gospel different than what was declared by the Apostle St. Paul let him be anathema. SDAs don’t preach what Paul preached, hence why nobody knew a thing about Seventh-day Adventism until 1863. Nice try though.

[@chantellejohnson7221]

As a SDA …. I’m disappointed that there’s an only an “ex-SDA” on this episode. This can cause a lot of confusion…. I would’ve waited until someone accepted the invitation to come on who is a current SDA Christian to do this episode.

[@fedcon4218]

The guest was a SDA evangelist for YEARS, who studied SDA theology on the highest level and has even written three books on the matter. May I ask what makes him unqualified to speak on this topic? Have you considered that his studies led him to see all of false teachings (teachings that are contrary to what the scripture teaches) in the SDA denomination?

[@gabazinxumalo8994]

@@fedcon4218 That's outrageous! You mean just cause one man studied a demonation for years and wrote three matters on the matter every word that comes out of their is to be believed. Tell me how are you still Christian in a world full of athiest, agnostics and ex-christians who speak bodly against christianity? Your thought pattern is severly flawed, find another way to look at it.

[@AndreWalsh93]

You’re in a cult!

[@mistersydster]

They addressed that at the start. They said they'd be willing to have a Part 3 if an sda representative stepped forward. You have to understand that in new media you have to strike while the iron is hot. You cannot wait an extensive period for someone to step forward. Their viewers had a pressing concern and they chose to address post-haste

[@gabazinxumalo8994]

@@AndreWalsh93 ahhhhh thats not nice. 🤣

[@avamontoute634]

The more I listen...the more I am thankful for the exposure. Jesus will be glorified. Remember I said it!

[@dabreez2489]

I'm glad you said this.Totally shocked that all the Adventist pastors and even members refused to come to the show😂😂😂. Someone isn't being totally truthful here I promise

[@lincolnliking]

@@dabreez2489 If you believe that, you have believed lies my friend. The truth will come out soon enough

[@IvyElizabeth918]

@@dabreez2489 both Pastors David Asscherick and Ty Gibson reached out when part 1 came out and neither of them received an invitation. Pastor Eric Mase told Pastor Gibson to DM him on Twitter but he was unable to because they weren’t following one another.. does that sound like an invitation to you?

[@dabreez2489]

@@lincolnliking and I will bless the Lord and rejoice for the truth always.If anything Adventist people would grab the opportunity to come and talk about their beliefs.This gentleman literally claimed we don't believe Jesus is the eternal God.That he was told to focus on the money and ignore his questions about the truth??If anything that's the complete opposite of what I was taught and what I am currently teaching others as an Adventist but please do make sure you scrutinize your guests before inviting

[@IvyElizabeth918]

@@dabreez2489 I wonder who said any of this to him.. from what I know, Adventist pastors are the absolute lowest paid clergymen of any denomination 🤣 especially in Jamaica.. the individual churches don’t keep their tithes and offering. So what financial gain would he really have? Many pastors work an additional job to make ends meet.

[@PrJamesMedia]

Pastor James is here. I am appalled of how misinformed the presenters are when it comes to the theological position of the SDA church. I would do a livestream this week to address some of the misconceptions outlined this video.

[@knichelle9566]

Why have an ex- SDA respond? The Perry’s are not innocent.

[@jwesKeys]

Ivor Myers from Power of the Lamb Ministries commented on the original video saying he wanted to come on the show.

[@simplysarab1625]

That is one who would not shy away from speaking the truth!!!

[@jwesKeys]

@@simplysarab1625 I’m not sure of this but I think that Elce’s presence shows that they wanted a debate to happen and some pastors and apologists are not interested in that. If you want to learn are beliefs, sit with one and let them talk about the beliefs from scripture and not go through a rabbit hole of quotes taken out of context which is what critics love to do. It doesn’t edify the viewers or Preston who is learning about our beliefs.

[@simplysarab1625]

@@jwesKeys exactly! I thought that was the work of an apologist, to debate a controversial subject. Everyone was in agreement in this video 🤷‍♀️

[@msladymack1960]

​@@simplysarab1625An apologist will show truth from a Biblical standpoint. No need to "debate" scripture. For GOD says whay HE means and means what HE says.

[@jwesKeys]

@@simplysarab1625 Some apologist do debate but not all of them. I think some have discovered that debate is not the most edifying way to discuss one’s beliefs and on this platform, it would not be the best way to share our faith. It’s not just the doctrines that we have that need to be accurately share, it’s also the humanity of the person sharing it. When you are labeled as a cult, it’s important to not place yourself in a position that can get lively or seem heated. Critics like Elce (I’ve noticed) try to include in warranted insults when engaging Adventist. I witnessed this in my first discussion with him not too long ago.

[@choonamizinga9415]

As a former SDA I left the church Because i just felt like everything we were taught was less of Christ centered and more of Sabbath centered I also felt like most of the Sabbath school guides started feeling like repetition I reached a point where i was just seeking something more than the repeated teachings Also let me not forget to mention there's always the teaching taught to everyone in the SDA church that we are the only "remnant" church and the rest are false churches Also one thing that fascinates me is that the SDA church doesn't believe that as believers today, God can speak to us Also that Women shouldn't minister But their founder was a woman 😅 I literally started having personal encounters with God when I begun to seek God because I knew there was more to God than just the Sabbath and the mark of the beast As I started having these encounters I could not share with anyone because I knew that no one talks about this at church(SDA) When I found people who spoke the same language as I did i thought of joining the church I didn't know it was a big deal My mom thought I joined Satanism It took 2 years for her to let me leave the SDA church And even after leaving my mom is always telling me not to play music from my church loudly in front of my younger siblings that am trying to recruit her to join my church It's sad that that was never my intention i was just trying to share Jesus with my baby sisters But i respected that and i stopped So i only read scriptures with my siblings now I know that they're safe and they'll find the truth for themselves❤

[@missjamerica6461]

What group are you with now?

[@belacheri3394]

There were four founders of the SDA church. EGW was not "the founder," but simply one of them. I didn't have the experience you did as an SDA but I can understand, based on your experience, that you felt it time to leave. I pray that you are blessed in your newfound faith.❤

[@choonamizinga9415]

@@missjamerica6461 I'm now at Bread of Life Church International And so do I go for prayer marathons at Kingdom Come Church International- This one plays a role as it picks up students from various universities every Friday for a prayer gathering You can check out Pastor Cham Chilombo His really helping out generation to stop normalizing that Friday is the day to get drunk and groove and teaching the importance of purity Because now we go and get drunk with the Holy Spirit 🔥🔥🔥

[@choonamizinga9415]

@@belacheri3394 Yes am sooo blessed 🥺🥺🥺 Thank you

[@choonamizinga9415]

@@missjamerica6461 I go to Bread of Life Church International ❤️

[@chilirobinson8219]

That’s crazy I’ve been in the SDA church for 20 years and haven’t heard of the Clear Word Bible 😂why wasn’t a memo sent out .

[@jamilabrown8347]

😂😂😂

[@williciayod7]

As someone born and raised SDA, I can confidently say that through our knowledge of the Word of God, the Bible, we firmly believe: 1. Jesus is the eternal God. 2. Jesus died for the sins of the world. 3. We are saved by grace through faith (not by works) I've read many of Ellen G. White's books cover to cover, including "The Great Controversy," and her writings consistently teach the SAME truths. lol! Ellen G. White made it clear that her writings were not meant to be a rule of faith and practice, nor to replace the Bible. She emphasized that the Bible alone is the supreme authority for faith and practice, as stated in "Counsels on Sabbath School Work, p. 84," and echoed in "The Great Controversy," "Selected Messages, Book 1," and "Early Writings." Do we have some extremists in our church, absolutely BUT this is not us as a whole. With that being said, I’m super excited for Part 3. Hopefully we can have someone from the SDA church who can properly break down our beliefs . I’d highly recommend inviting Ivor Myers to your podcast.

[@elijahrodgers416]

Yep! Right Here for proof. “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God.” “Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” “From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God.” But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his preexistence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” “The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.’ Micah 5:2” “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” “Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, “It is written.” Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.” “Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfilment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.” “Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King.” “The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.” “The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,-the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.” “The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection; yea, more. It was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror.” “Never should a sermon be preached, or Bible instruction in any line be given, without pointing the hearers to “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29. Every true doctrine makes Christ the center, every precept receives force from His words.” “No discourse should ever be presented without presenting Christ and Him crucified as the foundation of the gospel.” “The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice, and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.” “On the cross of Calvary, Christ made a full and complete atonement for the fallen race. He died because of our sin. This was the only way in which we could be pardoned. Holiness is the fruit of Christ’s infinite sacrifice in our behalf. It was not for His friends, but for His enemies, that Christ made this sacrifice, for those who He declared would not come to Him that they might have life, for those who chose earthly pleasures and earthly riches. He longs to save those who have given themselves up to the world. He calls upon them to choose His service, to give themselves wholly into His control, to wear His yoke, and learn of Him how to be meek and lowly, how to do God’s will. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” “Jesus is our atoning sacrifice. We can make no atonement for ourselves; but by faith we can accept the atonement that has been made. ‘For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ ‘Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, ...but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.’ No man of earth, no angel of heaven, could have paid the penalty for sin. Jesus was the only one who could save rebellious man. In Him divinity and humanity are combined, and this was what gave efficacy to the offering on Calvary's cross. At the cross, mercy and truth met together; righteousness and peace kissed each other.” “If the cross does not find an influence in its favor, it creates an influence. Through generation succeeding generation, the truth for this time is revealed as present truth. Christ on the cross was the medium whereby mercy and truth met together, and righteousness and peace kissed each other. This is the means that is to move the world.”

[@dmoon175]

“I’m just here, Christ is my sabbath rest”🤣I love it!

[@CHUNIOR05]

The word “rest” and “sabbath” aren’t the same type of rest.

[@Jehu_Adonai]

@@CHUNIOR05 Yes it is, this is part of the problem with SDA Doctrine. The denial because Ellen G White told them so.

[@cyrinahenry8131]

Yes I know right. Just go ahead and skip over that 4th commandment like it means nothing. Go right ahead😊

[@pastor_robgee]

what verse is that again? It sounds nice ... but where in the Word can I find that???

[@Jamaica_K_Lifestyle]

Greetings. I’m seriously concerned. 1 Corinthians 9 states: “24Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” Sis. Perry appears genuine in all the poetry and interviews and presentations that I have seen her do. The 10 Commandments remain the 10 Commandments. God’s moral laws does not change and cannot be altered. Her response about the sabbath is concerning because it seems she has made up her mind to keep the 1st day as sabbath even though God says to keep the 7th day. There is so much to say. Just going to stop here though and encourage all of us to keep her and people in general, in prayer. We are making light of disobedience to God’s Word. Jesus died for every soul and clearly we all need God’s Holy Spirit to fully surrender and be obedient to God’s Word. Jesus is coming. We all need to be ready to stand in His presence. We do need God’s Holy Spirit every moment. God Bless 💜

[@Darcella]

I was a 7th generation Adventist. I finally read my Bible with no extra biblical (aka EGW) writings, and in context (not jumping around to proof texts). I couldn’t justify Adventist teachings and had to follow the Word, which lead me away from SDA and toward Christ alone. I’ve never regretted it, but I pray for my many brothers and sisters still locked and blinded in that belief system.

[@ReverendThunder]

Praise God! Most of us have had very similar experiences.

[@life.after.adventism]

Amen! Former 3rd generation SDA here, same reasons for leaving!!! Born again Christian now 🙌🏼

[@becomingsasha]

I've attended SDA since I was a child. I am 28 years old and till this day I do not regret walking away! They praise that woman too much. Everything is EGW,... is like they praise her more. But they'll never say it. They'll just say no Jesus first and the Bible first but their actions say different. I think at this point is the brainwash .... you ask too many questions you're ungodly, rebellious spirit. But they never have a clear answer for anything you ask. I was baptised there as well but I didn't swear about abiding her teachings. Not that I can remember. But I kept getting upset mad at how much they Preach about her every sabbath and another thing... what do yall mean by " SDA is the right, only and true religion". Basically all others is not going to heaven. 😅

[@Journey2Restoration2]

Praise God for your freedom🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@missjamerica6461]

What denomination are you part of now? What body of believers do you fellowship with?

[@lizeliss]

Im not SDA but ive never DISAGREED with The Perrys’ more. I have friends who are SDA,have attended church with them many times,and the cultish indicators spoken about on the podcast do not exist here in Africa. Sounds like the doctrines are not cut across.

[@kb3768]

The doctrines are cut across. Just because you may not hear it when you go doesn't mean it's not there

[@JG-id5vi]

This is their official doctrine. You are deceived. They try and snatch christians from the truth. That's why they are subtle.

[@missxealaneous7713]

Dearest Perry's, Just a lowly Seventh-Day Adventist here. No one of any importance, save the blood bought value Christ places on me. I have watched Jackie Hill Perry for many years and have enjoyed her passion for the Lord. I beg you both to please do a part 3 in a proper format, now that Pastor Ivor Myers has spoken out and agreed to sit down with you to address what's been said. Thank you both for always being so tactful and respectful of others without forsaking the truth you know.

[@mphokolweni9192]

I'm a SDA and wish you guys would have invited Ps Eric Walsh or Prof Walter Veith.

[@ruthbaidoo6330]

The Lord will surely make His Word/truth known! I believe. Let's keep praying. 🙏🏽

[@knichelle9566]

Keeping silent throughout this interview does not make one innocent of what is taking place.

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

Every Seventh Day Adventist is without excuse. They have a Bible. They know that the Bible doesn't teach that: >>> God will destroy with fire those who worship him on Sunday. >> They know that the seal of God is not keeping the Sabbath. (Ephesians 1:13-14) >> They know that the mark of the beast is not worshipping God on Sunday.(See Rev.13) >> They know that there will never be a National Sunday Law. >> They know that the Tribulation has not occurred yet. The three angels have not preached their messages yet. >> They know that the door to heaven was never shut on October 22, 1844. Remember the Shut Door doctrine? >> They know that Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Jesus Christ never entered the Most Holy Place on October 22, 1844. >> They know that God is omniscient. God already knew those who would be saved before he created the world. Eph. 1:4 God never needs to investigate anything ever. To say otherwise is blasphemy, breaking the third commandment. >> They know that Jesus Christ warned of hell more than anyone else. Christ said that hell was just as eternal as heaven. (Matthew 25:46) Please. Please read the New Testament as a child. "God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

[@danielleforeberumen]

Preston, I appreciate your posture and desire to learn and ask questions. Interview current Adventist pastors, theologians, and biblical scholars without Dr. Mason. He’s not bold, he’s hostile and motivated by misinformation. He guided the whole conversation on YOUR podcast. This wasn’t “With the Perry’s” this was Dr. Mason trying to prove he was right with the outlandish things he was saying in the previous interview and on his reel. That’s pride. Humbly seek to learn the truth and I think you’ll be surprised how much you agree with. It’s not all “crazy” like Dr. Mason kept insisting.

[@vee22354]

Now,I will agree with the bit of hostility of Eric Mason. I almost feel that’s his personality. But I’m not sure. It’s the posture on the couch 😂😂 He has that little lean and head tilt lol Those comments got to him. Lol

[@LionelMosby]

This comment is spot on! Mason and Elce have a history of how they deal with SDA doctrine. I'm sure Perry's are unaware, but you have rightly said, this was certainly not WITH THE PERRYS. This was with Mason & Thunder.

[@msnoel10]

I peeped the same thing about his demeanor from his initial response to the comments on the first podcast episode about cults. There’s definitely a bias that shapes the conversation so it’s important to be careful. The Perrys, have a large platform and I am praying for them to continue in discernment of who they give access to. Just like Preston would engage Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons 1:1 on his channel, this conversation should have the same level of care and approach to be fair.

[@iriemo721]

@@msnoel10exactly. You can’t bring someone with an obvious and clear agenda.

[@Journeys-s4t]

AGREED!!

[@drjudymd]

I question the intention behind The Perrys doing this episode. It's clear that The Perrys did not do any research on the SDA denomination. In any case, God does not want Christians to be wasting time arguing amongst themselves like this. Conversations like this are a distraction from focusing on the real enemy. The real enemy is not other Christian denominations that have different views than you. The real enemy is Satan and his army. The Perrys, Dr. Mason, and Elce need to go back and seek God with regards to their intentions behind this episode. And SDAs need to forgive them for spreading false information about SDAs. Peace & blessings!

[@flyKayzette]

Nothing wrong with this dialogue….SDA is definitely a work based religion…hopefully an SDA pastor except the invite…

[@libertecherie6537]

Aren't the SDa calling others bad names ? Like "sunday keepers" "mark of the beast" "whore of babylon"

[@annesther726]

God knows the reason why this discussion about Adventism keeps surfacing, and if it encourages viewers to seek the truth of the Bible, then praise God for it! But let all Bible-believing Christians, regardless of denomination, be careful that at the end of all this debate, the PURPOSE is that CHRIST is preached, and viewers are compelled to follow HIM. 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@elijahrodgers416]

That is a good way to look at it.

[@neillyanddaniel]

I find it hard to believe that of all the thousands of practicing adventist in the US, you guys only could find an ex Adventist from Jamaica. Not even a practicing Jamaican Adventist??? 😮 We may be fewer than I thought then 😢

[@IvyElizabeth918]

I said the same thing.. there are millions. I can’t go anywhere )in the US or otherwise) without running into someone who is Adventist.

[@iriemo721]

Because they weren’t interested in hearing about why adventism isn’t a cult. Of course a former member is gonna provide support for their claim. It’s a biased POV.

[@lvzyours]

They never said they couldn’t find any SDA. They said couldn’t find members of SDA that were willing to come on the show…please try to listen to what’s being said and not what you want to hear. Also for these kind of discourses you need to have people that are well studied in their doctrine for it to be effective so yes this was all they were able to get on their podcast right now.

[@gabazinxumalo8994]

@@lvzyours But that's the point they are making too. Most SDAs would gallantly stand up to defend their faith. so for them to say they were "ghosted" and no one responded is not true. I actually have seen a video on youtube of one of the responses were Preston commented and the people actually responded to Preston's comment saying they were willing! I guess he missed that response too.

[@gwendolenturner8967]

To me that would be the best person to bring light to the Adventist faith. Plus you must’ve missed the part where it was explained they ask current members of Adventist to come on and give their beliefs of the practice and doctrinal teachings. They all declined. Why? If this what you believe to be the truth why not out and explain your stance. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@zakila2cute]

I love how Jackie just sat and listened. Continue to study Gods word and let the Spirit lead you sis.

[@avamontoute634]

Yes!

[@Leila350]

Yea, she was quiet the whole time

[@scriptureoursafeguard7900]

Dear Jackie and Preston Perry. I want to first of say thank you for your ministry….Im a seventh day Adventist and I came across your ministry few years ago when I saw Jackie’s testimony and I was touched and encouraged at how you boldly you shared your testimony on how Christ changed your life and how he has been leading you as it is so clear you love God and that is so so encouraging in a word where Christian’s often shy away from truth for men’s applause. I have sometimes watched your podcasts however, I must say on this topic I was really really disappointed by the way you handled this discussion. You didn’t give due diligence in finding a Seventh-Day Adventist to give a balanced view on defend our beliefs and this this was not unfair. You should have found someone to defend our beliefs before continuing with part 2. I do hope you do a part 3 and instead of a ‘debate’ you should simply have a discussion with an adventist on what we believe. If you are genuinely wanting to know the truth then a debate style discussion may lead to arguments and people loosing the message on what Adventists believe and therefore not able to defend the doctrines we uphold. This discussion should only be entered into by people with an unbiased humble heart and spirit wanting to know the truth from the word of God. Rather than debating with people that are already set in their views. I know of many seventh day adventists who would be happy to have this discussion like my husband …if you are HUMBLE and GENUINE in your search for truth @withtheperrys @preston_n_perry .

[@simplechristian88]

Be sure to report this video for misinformation, maybe they'll learn a lesson

[@annesther726]

Ellen White wrote: “The Bible, and the Bible alone, is to be our creed, the sole bond of union; all who bow to this Holy Word will be in harmony. “Our own views and ideas must not control our efforts. Man is fallible, but God’s Word in infallible. Instead of wrangling with one another, let men exalt the Lord. Let us meet all opposition as did our Master, saying, ‘It is written.’ Let us lift up the banner on which is inscribed, The Bible our rule of faith and discipline.” The Review and Herald, December 15, 1885 (Selected Messages 1:416.)

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

And we know Ellen White contradicts herself and lies. Because the karaites never kept that calendar that you guys claim and I proved it in a video that it is a complete lie. I keep the Sabbath myself plus I keep Passover and no one I know except that calendar

[@ltai-now]

YET she said if we do not read her writings we will basically be in trouble with God.

[@Nikkiallsmiles]

@@ltai-nowplease advise which of her writings said this please? I’ve never read that thank you

[@prayerpower1585]

​@@NikkiallsmilesIt's from Selected Messages 1:416 as the poster wrote. All her writings are freely available publicly on the EGW estate site.

[@Nikkiallsmiles]

@@prayerpower1585 Thank you. I will look this up

[@ThandananiMshololo]

As a former SDA(born and bred) I backslid and left the church when I entered into relationship with Christ I asked the Holy Spirit to lead me to a church and it was not SDA-I'm. A bit angry that I was a church goer all this time and I was headed straight to HELL but thank God for salvation

[@gratefultrust]

Praising God for your deliverance. When you find truth you’re delivered & your rest is now in Jesus & not in a day!!! Hallelujah!!!

[@missjamerica6461]

Who do you fellowship with now? What denomination are you part of?

[@AbisJourney]

I have a similar testimony! Praise God He led you to the truth!

[@elijahrodgers416]

If you reject God's moral law, reject the seventh day Sabbath, reject Christ perfect sacrifice, believe in in Christ preforming a second atonement, believe that humans are immortal just like the Buddhist believe you are not a Bible Believer.

[@ThandananiMshololo]

@@elijahrodgers416 I still keep the Sabbath as my day of rest I'm just no longer seventh day Adventist

[@janenshuti]

I grew up in SDA church and I have never ever hear where they teach that Jesus was created😮 this is a new

[@sharontanghal3360]

You've never heard it as SDA because it's not even what our church teachers or believes. I'm speaking as an active member of SDA church myself.

[@BarbSDA_2193]

The Seventh-day Adventist Church does not have an official Bible. The Clear Word is a translation by an SDA scholar intended for personal use within his family. It was never meant to replace standard Bibles in doctrinal teachings. There is no single Bible translation exclusively used in the SDA church or by SDA pastors, but we often refer to the KJV/NKJV as we believe they are the "less polluted" (I use that term loosely as to not offend) translations, but it is up to the individual. Also, we do not believe that EGW is on par with or above the Bible, nor should we interpret it through her writings. There are imperfect Christians in every religion, and unfortunately, churches like his were taught false doctrine. If you, as a Christian or SDA believer, are deviating from scripture and using that as your doctrine, then you will be weighed in the balance and found wanting. But before you outright reject her writings based on someone else's opinion, READ IT FOR YOURSELVES!

[@EricHenryJnr]

Exactly

[@KeilaMason]

Please do one with someone from the Pentecostal faith… I have a hard time wrestling with the fact that if I don’t “speak in tongues” I don’t have my salvation and I’m going to hell… despite me giving my life to God & walking with God. You can see it in the fruits I bear & God completely changing my life around to live for him.

[@dariondorris]

Take this weight off of you, speaking in tongues is not a requirement for salvation, it is a gift given to believers, same as all other gifts! Not all believers will speak in tongues just as not all believers have the gift of administration. (Read 1 Corinthians 12:27-31)

[@AlishaLorencc]

I grew up Pentecostal. Love trust the Lord you are not going to Hell because of that. Jesus did not say that. We have plenty of church rules that are completely made up by man that keep us bound. I encourage you to pray and ask God for direction and do not let the devil condemn you. God bless and cover you!!!! Btw. Lots of people don’t!

[@KeilaMason]

@@dariondorris thank you so much. this is what I believe as well but I haven’t been in church for a while and I found these people that were doing outreach in the park & they invited me to their church before I knew it was Pentecostal & this is what they were teaching me that I need the Holy Ghost despite what the scripture say… they kept sending me to Acts… thank you this helped a lot.

[@KeilaMason]

@@AlishaLorencc Yesss, I will keep praying. Gods been showing me that their doctrine is false and not that’s not the only way. Thank you so much for your reply… this helped me a lot. May God bless & keep you sis!

[@dariondorris]

@@KeilaMason of course! something similar happened to me before, I know exactly how heavy that can feel. The Bible makes clear that salvation comes to us by grace through faith in Jesus ! It is not by any works we do. Even speaking in tongues! Be encouraged 💯🙏🏾 (and when you get a chance read through Galatians lol)

[@ChildOfGod_JG]

Much love🌻 •Ty Gibson •David Asscherick •Ivor Myers (3 possible speakers) Blessings🙏🏽

[@divinelyannointed3401]

Randy Skeete Doug Bachelor John Lomacong Ex-adventist will never have anything good to day about Adventist. Simple!

[@villain2374]

@@divinelyannointed3401 Ellen White is a demi-god in the church, I know this from experience. you are ostracized viciously if you disagree with her in any aspect. she is the infallible lesser light that leads infalliably to the greater light; a distinction without a difference

[@eijahholness337]

He specifically said Ivor Myers declined to join the conversation.

[@claudettehendrix3501]

@@eijahholness337 Ivor made a statement on Facebook, he did not get the invite therefore he did not refuse the invite.

[@roywillis2518]

@@eijahholness337, Ivor Myers is in this thread of comments saying he was never invited.

[@desireealicea593]

I grew up SDA and as ive grown older (now 24) and gotten closer to God and reading his Word, i now rethink the SDA church and beliefs. I grew up learning about Ellen G white and my mom and family members have her books and i will say in my personal experience my church has been very bible driven but there is mentions of Ellen as a reference to scripture and growing up even when i was young, i always felt it was weird to mention her alongside scripture and this just affirms where i stand with that. However i still hold the Sabbath and that particular belief but will stick to the Word of God and cross referencing scripture when i study. Thank you for this conversation. It opened my eyes more and makes me wanna dive deeper into the faith i grew up and learn more about God through his Word. God bless ❤✝️

[@cmbtheambassador5773]

Thank God for your commitment to His Word. Keep seeking His truth!

[@naa8217]

Hey sis! Don’t let one belief that you personally like to practice keep you in a heretical belief system. Pastor Mike Winger has a great video that says this (women veiling). No matter what you say, you cannot divorce EGW from Adventism - in practice nor doctrine nor theory. I pray that God will reveal the truth to you.

[@elijahrodgers416]

I am a 5th Gen Seventh Day Adventist. Why would Tunder lie so much if he had truth? From Ellen White The Spirit was not given-nor can it ever be bestowed-to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. GC vii.3 Our faith, and our position in the world as commandment keepers is based on the Bible. Never should the Testimonies be brought in to take a high place than the Bible. EA 141.4 The more we look at the promises of the Word of God, the brighter they grow. The more we practice them, the deeper will be our understanding of them. Our position and faith is in the Bible. And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible. Ev 256.3

[@elijahrodgers416]

What did Ellen White say about the pre-existence of Christ? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? What did she believe about the gospel? “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God.” “Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” “From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God.” But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his preexistence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” “The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.’ Micah 5:2” “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” “Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, “It is written.” Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.” “Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfilment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.” “Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King.” “The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.” “The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,-the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.” “The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection; yea, more. It was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror.” “Never should a sermon be preached, or Bible instruction in any line be given, without pointing the hearers to “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29. Every true doctrine makes Christ the center, every precept receives force from His words.” “No discourse should ever be presented without presenting Christ and Him crucified as the foundation of the gospel.” “The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice, and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.” “On the cross of Calvary, Christ made a full and complete atonement for the fallen race. He died because of our sin. This was the only way in which we could be pardoned. Holiness is the fruit of Christ’s infinite sacrifice in our behalf. It was not for His friends, but for His enemies, that Christ made this sacrifice, for those who He declared would not come to Him that they might have life, for those who chose earthly pleasures and earthly riches. He longs to save those who have given themselves up to the world. He calls upon them to choose His service, to give themselves wholly into His control, to wear His yoke, and learn of Him how to be meek and lowly, how to do God’s will. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” “Jesus is our atoning sacrifice. We can make no atonement for ourselves; but by faith we can accept the atonement that has been made. ‘For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ ‘Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, ...but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.’ No man of earth, no angel of heaven, could have paid the penalty for sin. Jesus was the only one who could save rebellious man. In Him divinity and humanity are combined, and this was what gave efficacy to the offering on Calvary's cross. At the cross, mercy and truth met together; righteousness and peace kissed each other.” “If the cross does not find an influence in its favor, it creates an influence. Through generation succeeding generation, the truth for this time is revealed as present truth. Christ on the cross was the medium whereby mercy and truth met together, and righteousness and peace kissed each other. This is the means that is to move the world.”

[@msdelores50]

Also, we Seventh-day Adventists do not have our own Bible!!! I use the KJV and the NKJV Bible. I've never heard of this clear word Bible.. We honor God's Holy Sabbath (Saturday) because God said if you love me, keep my commandments all ten, not 9 commandments..

[@natashamartin2014]

I’ve been following you guys for years, have admired you for so much, purchased merchandise, tickets, this is where I draw the line. I’m so saddened by this. As an SDA there is so much misinformation in this video. I don’t even know where to start.

[@gratefultrust]

Just start please! Want to hear what you have to say. I was ONCE SDA!

[@siobhancooper4717]

They are just the messengers for truth. People want to dispute with this men are saying, but the fact is this stuff is doctrinally written under the SDA Church, and if the foundation is falsehood, then we can’t call it truth I thank God for the Perry bringing things like this to light, the fact that Ellen White exist is problematic. The Bible says it is a finished work the fact that somebody came along in the 1800s and claims to have had a vision or a dream and comes up with 28 principles or anything else foundation, and tries to connect it to the Bible And it contradicts it is false and at the foundation of something is false. Then you must question all the rest. The Bible stands alone. It doesn’t need an Ellen White or a Joseph Smith from the LDS or a watchtower from the Jehovah’s Witnesses anytime these religions have a separate person that comes out after the Bible and they put their information in print and connect as a supplement to the word of God you already know that that’s a false hood right there again thank God for the, these gentlemen, truth, and people are mad at the passengers the things that this man was reading out of those 28 principles he only got through a few of them and they all contradicted the word of God and the fact that any SDS don’t even know this is problematic, thank God for the truthGod gets it to us however he can and our job after that is to make the correction. Thank you again Preston.

[@natashamartin2014]

@@gratefultrust it is too much to discuss via a comment section reply. Thanks

[@iriemo721]

@@natashamartin2014wise. Nothing to discuss, especially with people not interested in hearing.

[@vee22354]

I want to understand! I’m so confused.

[@AlishaLorencc]

As soon as you have a human professing to correct the infallible Word of God there is a problem. I think members of SDA should take that into consideration. This is not about the Perry’s, Dr Mason or the individual that is sharing what the Adventist church has posted for ANYONE to find. It’s about what is true. Nothing more. May God reveal it to you beyond offense.

[@AK-pz7om]

As an ex-SDA just want to make a slight correction to your statement - Ellen g white doesn’t claim to correct the word, but more so to “shed light/provide context” to it. She claimed to have had dreams about various insights. Either way she was a fraud so it doesn’t matter lol. She had a brain injury in her youth and I personally believe that she was hallucinating. The people around her claimed that she stopped breathing for hours and held a Bible up for 3 hrs straight as proof that she was experiencing something supernatural. It’s wild when you look into it and many SDAs are ignorant to it. Lots of people in mid 1800s America believed that God was talking to them.

[@missjamerica6461]

Where do you see EGW corrects Gods word? What source are you referencing this from?

[@iriemo721]

Listen to the quote again. The quote never said she corrects the word of god. It said she corrects misinterpretations of the word. Read for understanding.

[@missjamerica6461]

@@iriemo721 Hey, just so you’re aware, writing “read for understanding” comes off as condescending. I have a genuine question. If you have a source, please share. Thanks.

[@JG-id5vi]

​@missjamerica6461 Investigative judgement and scapegoat theory are a different Gospel. Gal 1 8-9 says if anyone teaches a different gospel let them be condemned. Also the complete heresy teaching that Jesus is michael. Col 2 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, This scripture is a direct rebuke to the teachings of SDA. Please read the bible and throw away your man made rules and regulations. Your eternity depends on it. Flee from this false church and come to true freedom in Christ.

[@Iloveyou2-yd4kv]

I don’t usually comment but I just want to say thank you. I was born into SDA but had my first of many encounters with the Holy Spirit six months ago. 3 months ago, I watched the first video discussing SDA and that was the first time I heard of this. Since I had just finished the book of Romans and the two Corinthian letters, I had already had so many questions and was side-eyeing the church. That video drove me to do my research and I bought two of EC Thunder’s books as well. It was so much more horrifying than I could’ve ever imagined. It has been great to fully experience the freedom in Christ that many speak of, and deepen my understanding of my best friend Jesus. Please SDA’s, hear me out because this comes from a place of love. Read Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, Hebrews. Especially Romans. Pray that the Holy Spirit be with you in your readings. You may find offense, but be absolutely sure in your beliefs because this is your relationship with Jesus, the most important thing in all of eternity. At least look to defend your faith, because in the lack of knowledge, Satan can deceive 0:01 .

[@ReverendThunder]

God bless you. Thanks for sharing your experience and actually doing the research. If only more persons took this approach rather than simply getting offended and crucifying us. I rejoice with you and your newfound freedom in Christ and faith in the biblical Gospel.

[@christinafarmer9184]

Amen. Praise God 🙌🏾. I would also suggest reading Galatians. Additionally follow Former Adventist podcast or here on KZbin. I’m so glad the Holy Spirit is revealing his truth to you! As a former SDA myself, I pray that you will find a Bible based church where you can continue to learn and grow.

[@jewelbrooks6548]

Praise God, I pray that God continues to lead you. Please find a community that can support you as you grow in the Word of God. I was also born and raised as an SDA. My family and I came to faith through reading Romans, and we are no longer Adventists. Hebrews is a wonderful book to read.

[@AbisJourney]

Praise God! I grew up SDA as well and have a lot of family still in this denomination. I remember how God touched my heart with the books of Galatians and Hebrews! The Truth set me free! Praise God!

[@jewelbrooks6548]

Praise God!!!

[@lisajames3297]

I am an SDA and I believe that I am saved.

[@prayerpower1585]

Me too

[@alexandramejos1522]

Thank you for the respect you guys have towards this discussion in order to arrive at solid truth instead of bringing other faiths down, Perrys! As a SDA myself, I'd have to say that i dont identify with the Adventism Mr. Lauriston is presenting though...

[@ReginaMkhize]

I am of the same mind. The lessons he was taught are not consistent with mine unfortunately...

[@charnelallan7159]

Really thats bécause Its engrained in Ur doctrines

[@alexandramejos1522]

@@charnelallan7159 helloo! may you please explain what you mean by that? because what I'm saying is that what Mr. Lauriston is saying about what we Adventists believe isn't accurate to what we actually believe. For example, we do *not* believe that Jesus was a created being, and nor did Mrs. White. thank you and I hope you have a good day!

[@Jessaba]

I haven’t read through all of the replies to your post, but if no one has recommended it yet these are some KZbin channels with a wealth of real information about the SDA false gospel: Answering Adventism, former Adventist fellowship, academy apologia, SDA Q&A

[@leshabenn3368]

Okay, so how many types of Adventism are there? Also, If you do not subscribe to foundational doctrine that is publicly stated on the official website of the SDA organization, what does that make you?

[@demitawalker5991]

We will be held accountable for what we say!

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

Amen! God will never destroy anyone who worships him on Sunday. That is not in the Bible. Please read the Bible! God desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

[@1stMikeWhite]

@@Elizabeth-rk3do “Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭31‬:‭13‬-‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ The Bible can’t be any more clear than this lol. First word “remember”. Jesus dying on the cross and fulfilling the new covenant found in the old testament Jeremiah 31:31 does not remove or replace the day of worship. God made the sabbath not as just a regular day but it be sanctified it and made it Holy so that we know He is God. No one who disregards that commandment worships the Lord with Honesty. Thats how you’ll know who will bow down to the beast or stand with God. Revelations 12:17

[@__Jenniefer__]

I don't know anything about the SDA church. What I DO KNOW is that the Lord created the seventh day as the Sabbath and commanded that we honor it, keep it holy, and rest from work on that day. Period.

[@charnelallan7159]

WHOM was the Sabbath command GIVEN to? WERE u enslaved in Eygpt?

[@Jessaba]

@@__Jenniefer__ the Hebrew roots movement also claim to “keep the sabbath”. Please don’t fall for keeping the 7th day holy proof of credibility to a religious movement.

[@reynapink142]

@@charnelallan7159are you saying the Ten Commandments were only given to the once enslaved Israelites and only apply to them? What do you mean?

[@christiancontreras4492]

We have no idea what the actual seventh day is. Like scientifically and historically, it is virtually impossible to determine what the actual seventh day of earth’s formation was

[@reynapink142]

@@christiancontreras4492 if that’s true than how did the Jews always keep Sabbath? And since Roman times there’s most definitely been a 7 day week.. Jesus was alive during the Roman Empire… so he kept the Sabbath. Where have you heard that we don’t know which day is which?

[@ministryofhealingfarm]

All truth should be able to withstand scrutiny with boldness! I was raised SDA and recently rejoined in 2018 after being in a Baptist Church & Presbyterian since my 20's. I love our church so much!!! I'm a bit embarrassed that our leaders have not answered. 😔

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

Do you know for sure, if you were to die today, where you would spend eternity?

[@ministryofhealingfarm]

@@Elizabeth-rk3do Yes of course I do dear! Jesus said it very clearly! I have pasted the ACTUAL words of Jesus to help you: Mark 16:16 " He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." 17 " And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues" 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Also found in Luke 24:50-53 ) 19¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

[@Ajw214]

Some SDA leaders/pastors have in fact answered and offered to have a conversation including Pastor Ivor Meyers who was mentioned in this interview. There are also several others in the comments.

[@jenniferschwirzer2343]

They have. Ivor Myers and others on this thread, Ty Gibson in many messages and emails to offer to come on the podcast.

[@dkas24]

My dad, a Pastor quoted Job 15:3, “The wise don’t engage in empty chatter. What good are such words?” ‭

[@kathrynmcnorton2646]

I have been following and supporting the Perry's for years. I was truly disappointed to read the title of this podcast. To question Adevntism as a cult greatly minimizies the harm cults have on its victims and demonstrates click bait instead of a true understanding of the definition of the word. I am utterly appalled at "Dr. Thunder's" comments and find them to be highly misleading and untrue. I don’t want to appear as though I am attacking him, but his explanation of his experience with Adventism made his position not surprising. Just like other large, global organizations, many factors impact one's experience and understanding. Preston's summation at the end leads me to believe that his takeaway is that SDA's don't believe in Jesus FULLY and are not Christian. What?!?! How incredibly manipulative "Dr. Thunder" has been! Please read the fundamental beliefs of the SDA church, the biblical references to which they are derived, and research HOW they are adopted by the world church. Also, understand that some are highly debated and not universally accepted. Like so many other things, culture, geographical location, conservatism/liberalism, etc are all things that influence a conference, local church, and individual SDA's practices and beliefs. If you haven't picked up on it yet, there are fanatics and those who misrepresent beliefs all up and through Adventism, just like any other belief system.

[@hybridnotes]

All of this. 💯

[@surgtechbae]

Well said.

[@prayerpower1585]

Elce described himself as one who was fanatical about Adventism (not in this interview). No wonder he got confused. That being said, maybe some other fanatics led him wrong and did not guide him to develop a relationship with Christ.

[@odanee.mighty2256]

Not to question his character but I was in school with him when he left and he lacks humility and has a extremist approach to things, when he was Adventist he was extreme and now that he isn't, he is extreme.

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

@odanee.mighty2256 The apostle Paul was the same way. He had a zeal for God but not according to knowledge. Romans 10; Galatians 1:14 Then, when he was converted, not by keeping the law but by the grace of God, Paul had a zeal for God, giving us much of the New Testament! 🙏🏼

[@claudettehendrix3501]

I pray that as you watch this show you know and understand that you this is someone's opinion. I pray that you read the Holy Word of God with guidance from the Holy Spirit.

[@wandiletshabangu5456]

Thank you for this, I felt pretty disheartened as an SDA after this

[@claudettehendrix3501]

@@wandiletshabangu5456 please don't feel that way. The message and truth is getting out. Study and prayer for discernment. When we see this is someone's opinion. They need to bring Bible facts to the table especially when comparing to someone's writings.

[@naa8217]

@@claudettehendrix3501 Yes the truth is getting out! More and more people will finally be able to see the lies and falsehoods of Adventist doctrine and Ellen White

[@Iwilleatfromthetreeoflife]

This is unbelievable. As many of the mainstream and not so mainstream churches have a plethora of men and women in the churches, radio,TV and online calling themselves "Prophets and Apostles" and we decide to try and pull down one because she was Seventh Day Adventist.

[@jlewis8145]

She had many false prophecies. Ellen White claimed that the future events were revealed to her directly from God. In her book The Great Controversy, she says as the Spirit of God has opened to my mind the great truth of his word, and the scenes of the past and the future, I have been bidden to make known to others that which has thus been revealed. From this statement we can take away that the Spirit of God opened her mind, according to Ellen White, and all of her predictions came from God, according to Ellen White. The Bible says in Deuteronomy 18:20-22: But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded or a prophet who speaks the name of other gods is to be put to death. You may say to yourselves “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord God?” God says “If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously so do not be alarmed. So if a prophet of God makes one false prediction - let me repeat that makes ONE false prediction - then they are not a true prophet of God. Rather they are a false prophet and should never be listened to or followed. False prediction number 1 - Jerusalem’s future. In her book The Early Writings, she says “Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes. I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing. I also saw that old Jerusalem never would be built up and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time.” This prophecy did not come true. Since the nation of Israel’s rebirth in 1948, old Jerusalem has been greatly built up. False prediction number 2 - England will attack the United States. In 1862 she predicted that when England does declare war against the north during the Civil War, all nations will have an interest of their own to serve and there will be general war, general confusion. The result will be that this nation, the United States, will be humbled into the dust. This was from Testimonies for the Church volume 1 page 259. American history clearly shows that England did not declare war against the United States during the Civil War and the United States was not humbled into the dust. So she made another false prediction. False prediction number 3 - the Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return. In her writings Testimonies for the Church Volume 1 page 260 she says “I saw greater distress in the land than we have yet witnessed. I heard groans and cries of distress and saw large companies in active battle. I heard the booming of the cannon, the clash of arms, the hand-to-hand fight and the groans and prayers of the dying…” So obviously there she’s talking about the civil war. Then she says “God’s people must take warning and discern the signs of the times. The signs of Christ’s coming are too plain to be doubted and in view of these things, everyone who professes the truth should be a living preacher… All heaven is astir. The scenes of Earth’s history are fast closing. We are amid the perils of the last days.” The Civil War ended in 1865 and Jesus has yet to return. Another failed prediction. False prediction number 4 - Jesus was to return in a few months. In her book The Early Writings, she says: In a view given June 27, 1850, my accompanying angel said “Time is almost finished…” said the angel “Get ready, get ready, get ready…” I saw that there was a great work to do for them but little time in which to do it. Then I saw that the last seven plagues were soon to be poured out upon those who have no shelter…Early Writings page 64. Mrs. White continues to relate her vision and makes a startling prediction that only a few months are left before the Lord will return. She says in her Early Writings page 67 “But now time is almost finished in what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months. They will also have much to unlearn and much to learn again.” She said this in 1850, it is now 1980 months that have passed. This is not a few months but is another failed prediction. False prediction number 5 - Adventists living in 1856 will be alive to see Jesus return. Over 135 years ago in May of 1856, Mrs. White made another fascinating prophecy during a meeting in Battle Creek Michigan. She said: I was shown the company present at the conference. Said the angel, “Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” All those seventh-day Adventists that were alive to hear that are now dead, nobody was translated by Jesus. Yet another failed prediction. False prediction number 6 - Christ would return before slavery was abolished. She says again in her Early Writings: I saw the pious slave rise in triumph and victory and shake off the chains that bound him, while his wicked master was in confusion and knew not what to do, for the wicked could not understand the words of the voice of God. Soon appeared the great white cloud…On its at the Son of man.” Slavery was not abolished for another six years after these statements, and the Lord hasn’t returned yet. Another failed prediction. False prediction number 7 - She saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn. She says “The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes, they were noble, majestic and lovely. I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. Then I was taken to a world which had seven moons. There I saw good old Enoch who had been translated. Early Writings page 39 and 40. Ellen’s husband James White verified her vision when he wrote: At our conference in Topsham, Maine last November “Ellen had a vision of the handiworks of God. She was guided to the planets Jupiter, Saturn and I think one more. After she came out of the vision, she could give a clear description of their moons. It was well known that she knew nothing of astronomy and could not answer one question in relation to the planets before she had this vision.” To this day highly detailed satellite pictures of Jupiter and Saturn have not revealed any life-forms of any size so I have no idea what Ellen White was talking about. So there you have it - seven failed predictions from Ellen White. Let’s talk about the truth for a minute. Ellen White said she had the spirit of prophecy directly from God. The truth is she did not. Ellen White said she had an accompanying angel given to her from God. The truth is she did not. The truth is that Ellen White built the seventh-day Adventist Church based on lies. The truth is that Ellen White is a false prophet and the best thing you can do as a Christian is to run away from this church as fast as you can. Then you should find a Christian Church that has Jesus Christ as its centerpiece and that is founded on the truth of the Bible. answering-seventhdayadventist.com/7-false-predictions-from-ellen-g-white-seventh-day-adventist/

[@Iwilleatfromthetreeoflife]

@jlewis8145 First I must say, that MANY in the comments on the first and second video said that ALL of the doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventist Church can be proven from Scripture; not just with EGW. Because their is animosity against Seventh Day Adventistism because the Lord is brought forth in the teaching of His word in the Bible Sabbath; the accusations continue. Next, Ellen White is not your real issue; it is Bible Truth that is your issue. If there were no EGW there would still be a problem because many do not like the fact that the truth is being told that tradition has been placed over the Bible. However, to deflect from the Truth of the Bible, you and your friends have brought up Ellen White. That was my point. The work of a prophet is not only to predict future events. So once again; if you feel comfortable with giving wrong information you must stand before God and answer for doing the same thing that you are accusing Ellen White of doing. I have read the Great Controversy at least twice and listened to portions of it. It is exactly the truth. In fact, you are helping fulfill the prophecies in that awesome book. You do not want the truth out about that book. So you seek to pull her down. That is between you and God. I will research the information that you have listed. Many times people attempt to take her writings out of context. Some SDA pastors in the comments have told you that SDA' s DO NOT consider all of her writings as inspired. Yet you still insist on telling us what we believe. If you predict what will happen between Israel and Palestine and it does not occur in the manner in which you predicted it would; does that make you a false prophet or human? She never claimed to be God, above God or a prophetess. She fits the definition of a prophet. So she has been labeled a prophet. I know for sure that her messages about health and education are definitely right on point. What she said about smoking and Tobacco at the end of the nineteenth century and the early twentieth century came true. When all of the doctors and so called professionals of her day said in books and newspapers (the Internet of her day) that smoking is good for you and she said it was not, and a little small group believed and believed that God said that our bodies are the temple of God and would not engage in the habit of smoking and drinking they were blessed for it. And yes, over half a century later what she said; healthcare research proved to be accurate and correct. Additionally, she warned of the dangers of an unhealthy diet and the importance of exercise, drinking lots of water and avoiding caffeine, temperance , fresh air , getting proper sleep and trusting God's power; this too has now become part of medical science. The rest of the world is moving towards healthier diets free of animal products which she said was unhealthy over 100 years ago. Now the world is applying these principles. African Americans are the fastest growing number of individuals who are becoming vegan in the United States due to the healthcare crisis in the AA community and are reaping the benefits of it. I heard no one in these two podcasts mention about the only Blue Zone in the United States which located in Loma Linda, California which is a community of Seventh Day Adventists who live longer than most of the population because of their lifestyles. Lastly, she mentioned the importance of getting as much education as possible (though she did not believe all SDA's should spend many years in school just to obtain numerous degrees for prideful purposes and taking away time from working for souls) so that they could be of the best help to the world. That is the reason that Seventh Day Adventists have the largest parochial school system in the world; second only to the Catholic Church. You will find SDA's around the world as pastors teachers, doctors , lawyers, nurses plumbers, pilots (both missionary and non -missionary) farmers, judges, janitors, business men and women and any other profession that you can think of, uplifting the name of Jesus Christ through serving humanity. Some may have even taken care of you and your loved ones without ever mentioning that they were SDA. Our hospitals and schools serve people everyday with excellence and love (of course there are always exceptions)without regard to religion. The Holy Spirit has led my mind to a passage of Scripture that is applicable here: Acts 5:34-39 [34]Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; [35]And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. [36]For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. [37]After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. [38]And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: [39]But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. A false prophet? Hmmm. The Lord has done a mighty work through a little false prophet with only a fourth grade education. As the old song that many African Americans like to sing at the funerals of older people. "May the Work I've Done Speak For Me." I think her work speaks volumes for her commitment to Jesus Christ and His work.

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

​​@@Iwilleatfromthetreeoflife Many false religions exist and have not been overthrown. Does that mean they are right? Ellen White's work speaks for her. 1. We know that God is omniscient. God already knew those who would be saved before he created the world. Ephesians 1:4 God never needs to investigate anything ever. To say otherwise is blasphemy, breaking the third commandment. Jesus Christ never started the Investigative Judgment on October 22, 1844. From reading the Bible, we know that Enoch, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elijah, Moses, Stephen, the thief on the cross etc., were already in heaven long before October 22, 1844. We also know from reading the Bible that Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God. It's been that way for 2,000 years now. Jesus never entered the Most Holy Place on October 22, 1844. ***** Everyone you see is a soul. Their soul is eternal. They will spend eternity in heaven or hell, as Jesus Christ said. **** There will never be a National Sunday Law. The great dividing issue at the end of time is not what day you worship. Those who worship God on the Sabbath will not be killed once the National Sunday Law goes into effect. God will not destroy with fire those who worship him on Sunday. That's just scare tactics. Only those who worship the beast will receive the mark of the beast. That's a requirement. Please read the New Testament for yourself as a child without the help of your church. 'God desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." God bless you!

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

​@@Iwilleatfromthetreeoflife I have read the entire Bible 41 times. I have never come up with the teachings of the SDA church. The book, The Great Controversy, will not be in heaven. Only the word of Lord endures forever. I Peter 1:25; Isaiah 40:8 ❤

[@Iwilleatfromthetreeoflife]

@@Elizabeth-rk3do I am so sorry that in that great book the Bible; God's love letter to us; that you have never read/studied about the Plan of Salvation, the Trinity, baptism, The beautiful Sanctuary message, God's law of liberty; the ten commandments, what occurs after death, the judgement which those who love and obey God will not have to fear, the wonderful blessing of God's Holy Sabbath, the gift of prophecy, health, spiritual gifts, and the description of Gods last day church; the remnant, The controversy between Christ and Satan, Christs Second Coming etc. That is what the Seventh Day Adventist Church teaches. Please go back and study as soon as possible while there is still time. God loves both you and I too much to leave us in ignorance. When we truly pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to us. When we truly seek Him for truth; He will never disappoint us; He will be found of us. Studying again to make it 42 times will make it an extra special experience when you are truly seeking for truth. You are correct; the book the Great Controversy will not be in heaven; the controversy will be over; it will not be necessary. The question is will you and I be there. I plan to be there by God's grace. Hope to see you there.

[@codysgotfireworks9554]

I grew up SDA and now being an adult I've questioned everything about the whole SDA church. I'm still a seventh day Adventist I honestly would love to come on the show and have a conversation with you guys. Keep spreading Gods word guys Amen

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

@codysgotfireworks9554 Please read the New Testament as a child. Particularly John, Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians. Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul never preached anything from the book of Daniel or Revelation. Mark 1:14-15; Acts 20:20-21; God bless you! 🙏🏼 ❤️

[@codysgotfireworks9554]

@@Elizabeth-rk3do will do that thank you

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

@@codysgotfireworks9554 John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither shall any man pluck them out of my Father's hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 💕

[@middleground4170]

@@Elizabeth-rk3do I can clearly see now that you do not know your Bible! The entire NT is founded on the OT which would include Daniel (Son of God Son of Man to give an example of how Christ identified Himself as Messiah). Christ ministry was to fulfill the prophecies of the OT particularly Daniel Chapter 9 which detailed the dates of Messiah ministry and cruxifixction. Revelation was one of the last books written in the Bible therefore Paul who wrote much earlier wouldn't have quoted a book that didn't exist. That does not mean that all the books of the Bible including Daniel and Revelation tell the same story and in fact complement each other. Adventist are a cult for taking into consideration the entire Bible? when we have NT Christians and now Elizabeth who is not cultic, pretty mainstream Christian believing the Scriptures should only be 4 books? Great! I don't know what's worst you or the guy you are responding to.

[@Elizabeth-rk3do]

@middleground4170 I have read the entire Bible 41 times. I never found the teachings of the SDA church. The true and living God is omniscient. God already knew those who would be saved before he created the world. Ephesians 1:4 God never needs to investigate anything ever. To say otherwise is blasphemy, breaking the third commandment. Jesus Christ never started the Investigative Judgment on October 22, 1844. That was just made up to cover up the failed prophecy of Jesus returning on October 22, 1844. It breaks the ninth commandment. From reading the Bible, we know that Enoch, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elijah, King David, Stephen, Lazarus, and the thief on the cross were already in heaven long before October 22, 1844. ****** From reading the Bible, we know that the seal of God is not keeping the Sabbath. Eph. 1:13-14- The Holy Spirit is the seal of God. Those sealed in Revelation 7 and 14 were male virgins. ****** From reading the Bible, we know that those who worship God on Sunday will not receive the mark of the beast. See Revelation 13 ***** From reading the Bible, we know that God will not destroy those who worship him on Sunday. **** From reading the Bible, we know that the 2300 days does not mean years, and the years did not start in 457 BC. Read about the history of the Feast of Dedication. ***** From reading the Bible, we know that Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55; Hebrews 1:1-3; 12:1-3; Romans 8:34) Jesus Christ never entered the Most Holy Place on October 22, 1844. ***** From reading the Bible, we know that the door to heaven was never shut on October 22, 1844. Remember the Shut Door doctrine? It was just made up to cover up the failed prophecy of Jesus returning on October 22, 1844. It breaks the ninth commandment. ***** From reading the Bible, we know that hell is just as eternal as heaven. Matthew 25:46 Everyone you see is a soul. Their soul is eternal. They will spend eternity in heaven or hell, as Jesus Christ said. ******* From reading the Bible, we know that the war in heaven has not occurred yet. Revelation 4-22 is all future events. The three angels have not yet preached their messages either. Jesus Christ said to go into all the world and preach the gospel. The gospel is in I Corinthians 15. It's what Jesus Christ preached. Mark 1:14-15 It's what the apostle Paul preached. Acts 20:20-21 Why doesn't your church preach the gospel of Jesus Christ?

[@karenmoore478]

I am a third generation SDA. Jesus is part of the godhead, equal with God the triune God. Never is Ellen White above the Bible. Ellen white fully human never taught as infallible. Please Get someone who knows what they are talking about

[@Ajw214]

This, respectfully.

[@EricaAllen-kq4oc]

Exactly. I agree. Ellen G White received visions from the Lord.

[@mayabrown3741park]

Prove it. Bring the receipts

[@dollifiedbyestha]

Exactly! Bring An SDA Who Actually Knows And Studies The Word Of God.

[@villain2374]

Ellen White IS an infallible interpreter of the Bible according to SDA's

[@nanan1295]

Thank you for having this conversation. ❤ It definitely helps everyone to stop and really think about what they believe in, whether they agree or disagree.

[@yevesssanders4538]

Preston and guest are very open to having an SDA pastor or member come on to defend their faith. They invited SDAs with no response or refusals. The Perry’s said this prior to starting this episode. Thx for the open discussion guys. Only One way… Jesus Christ. 💜✝️👏🫶🕊️

[@Ajw214]

They could have waited for a response or responded to multiple leaders/pastors that have reached out to them but didn’t.

[@yevesssanders4538]

But they are still open to a sit down with a SDA.. a few have responded. Hopefully the Perrys will respond and keep their word.

[@chrysanthemums4963]

@@Ajw214 how long are they supposed to wait? How long do you wait when someone ghosts you? If no one active in SDA wants to have the convo, you go for the next best thing. In this case, it’s a a former SDA. Simple. You seem active…..why don’t you do it?

[@jwesKeys]

Ivor Myers said he did not receive any request to come on their show so I don’t know what Elce is talking about. Maybe they typed in the wrong email? Wrong number?

[@msladymack1960]

Many responded affirmatively to the invite. Others say they never received an invitation. Adventists rooted and grounded in scripture have no issue supporting the SDA Beliefs from Sola Scripture. They have not received that invitation.. Refusal and no response are two distinctly different things. I don't believe any of the three would refuse: Dave Assherick, Ty Gibson, nor Ivor Myers... Not One. Something is amiss.

[@SuperCaleb64]

They are not disputing that they don’t teach the Bible I grew up as an SDA and I came to the realization that pastors now preach more according to what the organization wants them to preach. If we are to live by the word of God then why does an organization dictate what is being taught and preached.

[@dollifiedbyestha]

As A Fellow SDA Member, I Agree With Pursuing A Part 3. I Grew Up In The Faith, Was Lukewarm And Left The Church For A While Chasing The World. With A Sincere Heart, God Let Me Right Back To An SDA Church Where I Learn And Understand Scripture A Lot More! There Are Many SDA Pastors Who Can Come Out And Explain For Understanding With No Bias Content. May God Bless You All And Reveal The Truth.

[@GSG-p4v]

All ill say as an SDA is that I am not surprised the church is under attack. Comfusion is one of the enemies greatest tools. The SDA church is in no way shape or form a cult. It is a faith based on the belief of Christ soon return, living a life that mirros His. I feel for everyone that has experienced church hurt within the SDA community. But the doctrines are there to lead us to Christ, not away from Him.

[@christianskylark]

No church hurt just finding that the doctrines don't line up with the bible or the rest of history

[@susanma3483]

Too Saturday focused and not Christ focused. They seem to think that their denomination is the only way to Christ. It's about a relationship with Christ not the day that leads to salvation. Wrong doctrine.

[@elijahrodgers416]

@@susanma3483 What did Ellen White say about the pre-existence of Christ? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? What did she believe about the gospel? “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God.” “Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” “From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God.” But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his preexistence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” “The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.’ Micah 5:2” “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” “Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, “It is written.” Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.” “Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfilment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.” “Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King.” “The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.” “The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,-the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.” “The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection; yea, more. It was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror.” “Never should a sermon be preached, or Bible instruction in any line be given, without pointing the hearers to “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29. Every true doctrine makes Christ the center, every precept receives force from His words.” “No discourse should ever be presented without presenting Christ and Him crucified as the foundation of the gospel.” “The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice, and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.” “On the cross of Calvary, Christ made a full and complete atonement for the fallen race. He died because of our sin. This was the only way in which we could be pardoned. Holiness is the fruit of Christ’s infinite sacrifice in our behalf. It was not for His friends, but for His enemies, that Christ made this sacrifice, for those who He declared would not come to Him that they might have life, for those who chose earthly pleasures and earthly riches. He longs to save those who have given themselves up to the world. He calls upon them to choose His service, to give themselves wholly into His control, to wear His yoke, and learn of Him how to be meek and lowly, how to do God’s will. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” “Jesus is our atoning sacrifice. We can make no atonement for ourselves; but by faith we can accept the atonement that has been made. ‘For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ ‘Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, ...but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.’ No man of earth, no angel of heaven, could have paid the penalty for sin. Jesus was the only one who could save rebellious man. In Him divinity and humanity are combined, and this was what gave efficacy to the offering on Calvary's cross. At the cross, mercy and truth met together; righteousness and peace kissed each other.” “If the cross does not find an influence in its favor, it creates an influence. Through generation succeeding generation, the truth for this time is revealed as present truth. Christ on the cross was the medium whereby mercy and truth met together, and righteousness and peace kissed each other. This is the means that is to move the world.”

[@ruthbaidoo6330]

​@@christianskylark The SDA Church would not exist without the Bible, The Word of God. All the doctrines in the Church are Biblically based. Deception is one of the greatest tools of the devil. He started it in heaven, used it in the garden of Eden, and continues with it today. Please don't believe what you hear, do your own research, and sincerely ask for the Holy Spirit's guidance. ‭Jeremiah 29:13 KJV‬ [13] And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ‭Psalm 34:8 KJV‬ [8] O taste and see that the LORD is good: Blessed is the man that trusteth in him. Blessings! 🙏🏽❤️

[@ruthbaidoo6330]

​@@susanma3483 Who is Christ? Do we really know him, or simply profess to know him. Do we do His will, and that of His father, as He states in John 14:15 KJV‬ [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. Blessings 🙏🏽❤️

[@alastairchung-jones3296]

To be fair the reason why no current SDAs are in this video is addressed @ 5:44. I look forward to a part 3 with some current SDA members because there was a lot of false info mixed in with truth from Dr. Thunder.

[@iriemo721]

That was probably a lie. Until there’s proof of a declined or ignored invitation, it didn’t happen.

[@CAMphotography_]

@@iriemo721 Why would he have reason to lie.... They probably declined because they internally know that they are wrong and would not want to face truth

[@msladymack1960]

@CAMphotography_ At least two pastors on instagram said they never decline an invitation...​ in fact, they are there letting the whole social media followers know they are up for dialogue. Ivor Myers also stated he was open to a conversation. Not sure what's happening, but its suspect.

[@CAMphotography_]

@@msladymack1960 Good to know thanks for sharing. Maybe those 2 pastors arent ones that were invited? Not sure but Preston re issued an invitation at the end of the episode so I am interested to see what happens

[@iriemo721]

@@CAMphotography_listen. There was a clear agenda here. So there is reason to lie. WHO did the claim they reached out to?? What names? So they can be questioned directly as to why they didn’t show up.

[@emaillevar]

50 mins into the 1 hour program and the dude who made the initial statement has not talked more than a minute to support his point. They just have a dude from Jamaica making out landish points…. Y’all have done the devils work today.👏🏾👏🏾. Lame.

[@SonsetFridayLIVE]

Ima SDA and pretty well known within our Faith. I’d be glad to come on your show and clears some things up and bring a little joy and fun to the conversation. I appreciate the respectful approach to the conversation but dang we can loosen up a little bit lol I will say there is there’s a huge difference between the SDA people/ culture in 2024 than in previous generations. Let’s talk about it…

[@tiad.9142]

But if yall aren’t following the historical foundation of SDA, then why still call yourself SDA? It sounds like yall are switching up the principles as time goes on…almost like yall realize they were not grounded in Truth… If I was an ex- cake baker from 10yrs ago vs a cake baker in 2024…that doesnt change the founding principles of how to bake a cake…so him being ex SDA shouldn’t take away from the principles of your faith ?🤔

[@SonsetFridayLIVE]

The comment section isn’t the place to address your questions. The comment section isn’t the best place to address anything lol. But if I join the show I’ll be glad to address in depth your comment. Have a Blessed day!

[@iriemo721]

@@tiad.9142SDA means believe in SEVENTH day sabbath and the ADVENT - second coming of Christ. Where should people who believe in those two things worship?

[@tiad.9142]

@@iriemo721 I see your trying to break the term down but SDA is a religion and every religion has foundational truths/doctrine. This is what I’m referring to…why not just change your name bc people who speak of SDA being a cult are basing it on the church history surrounding SDA…if yall have denounced that history then just say so vs making people out to be liars 🤔

[@cmbtheambassador5773]

@@iriemo721 you can worship in any Bible-believing congregation. The issue isn't sabbath-keeping or Saturday church attendance. it's about *salvific* sabbath-keeping and the unbiblical doctrine of Sunday "sacredness" and the idea of a false (or EGW's favorite word -- "spurious") sabbath forced upon everyone via the Sunday Law that will be enforced on pain of death both temporally and eternally (Mark of the Beast). It's ludicrous and a gross perversion of Revelation 13 and 14. Most Christians do not believe this, which is part of the reason Sundays tend to have the largest sporting events in the country -- almost nobody is treating it as sacred. Most of us take a Romans 14 view of the Sabbath and believe everyone should be convinced as the Holy Spirit leads. Not saying YOU feel this way, but I know many lapsed SDAs who -- even though they drink, smoke, use various substances, scam, out here living any kind of lifestyle in terms of sex, etc -- they limit or outright eliminate these things on the Sabbath... as if the Sabbath is the ultimately determining things in terms of salvation! This is a warped way to look at it, but several of these folk do feel that way, and for the sake of transparency, when I wrestled with some of these issues 20-odd years ago, I also refused to some "dirt" on the sabbath... but once sunset hit, the mask came off and it was back to "doing me". The Sabbath became an idol to me. it's that way for others too. We have to be honest with ourselves and really acknowledge if we're trusting in Jesus ALONE for our salvation or *anything* else, including "law-keeping". ALL have sinned. ALL are law-breakers, so unless you believe you are able to become sinlessly perfect and can stand before God without a mediator as EGW taught, then we have no choice but to fall on His grace and mercy. This is not cheap grace I'm advocating. It's pistis i.e. believing faith and allegiance in the living King - the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and HIS complete sinlessness to cover us. As I read the scriptures, there is no other way.

[@simplysarab1625]

I have a list of Adventist who will be more than happy to join you all in this conversation. It would've been nice to hear both sides of the argument. Truth will always prevail!!! If you want a reason not to believe in something you will always find one. This has definitely left a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to the Perrys. Learn from the source not from 3rd parties!

[@dollifiedbyestha]

AGREED

[@preciousnunya5541]

How isn’t this both sides? Dude provided a whole history of SDA and their doctrine and how they made it to that point.

[@simplysarab1625]

@@preciousnunya5541for example if you want to know about someone you don't just go to the bitter ex.. this is the same as an atheist learning about Christ for the first time from another atheist who use to be a Christian...make it make sense

[@JayceeMD]

Great show. Would love to chat. Not from a place of defense but mutual learning. I’m not a bonafide apologist but I do love apologetics and am an Adventist with an honest open perspective. Hope this does not get lost in the shuffle. Keep the conversation going!

[@cheburgess8369]

How about giving the SDA Pastor the room to talk just as you have given this brother the opportunity to give a false witness as to what the SDA church stands on.

[@brendalou7376]

they declined

[@cheburgess8369]

@@brendalou7376 Sound about right...smh

[@cheburgess8369]

Actually, they didn't. And one of the pastors that actually reached out to the Perrys is in the comments saying this very thing. They didn't decline. Their offer to come on the podcast wasn't answered!

[@JustLex98]

From what I am understanding from this conversation and the pointed comments, what Brother Thunder is speaking to is the doctrine of the SDA church. The comments are saying that they have never been taught that. Let me pose a thought: your school teachers. Teachers who went to school for education learned Maslow’s, Freud’s, and Webb’s teachings. These things show the teachers deeper knowledge of how to teach. And believe it or not, it is heavily encouraged in the school systems. Does that mean the students learned the same thing? No. What the students did learn was the result of whatever principles their teachers used to teach them. Same thing in this conversation. Maybe in a SDA church, you aren’t taught the doctrine of Ellen G White, but it is clear that one or more of her teachings were a major influence in the cultivation of Adventism. Perhaps what Brother Thunder speaks on is the deeper knowledge of the foundation of the SDA church. You as a subscriber to the SDA church may not learn the doctrine necessarily, but the way Christ is taught to you will completely influence your faith. Idk, just a thought.

[@Sundroplet]

You summed it up 100%. As someone that was born into the SDA church and is now really understanding the beliefs, the things he said may not be directly taught in the church by the pastors, but they are still core beliefs that shape the way the bible is explained. I never knew a true relationship with Christ, there's a lot of fear when you come to understand what the doctrine really teaches. Some members like my family, have book cases full of E.G White's writings. My family would study her words carefully because they said that church had become watered down. My friends that grew up in the church, but didn't have a family that was so deep into E. G White writings, thought that we were mainstream Christians that just went to church on Saturday, but I always knew it was different, and it didn't sit well with me. The SDAs in the comments are so combative, it's sad and very telling.

[@prayerpower1585]

​@@SundropletThe SDA church was never meant to be a mainstream Christian church. That is for sure. If it was supposed to be that it would not have been established in the first place. I guess we could say that about all protestant denominations. Elce Lauriston misrepresents the SDA church teachings though. I'm sorry that so many SDAs and ex-SDAs are reporting that they never knew a true relationship with Christ. As an SDA, I wonder how and why that is.

[@kristengrenyion8117]

I'm reading comments and I'm wondering if SDA is practised differently depending on geographical location as some persons cannot relate to the young man's journey. I'm grateful for truth and revelation. Amazing posture of understanding and process of discussion. Eye opening episode

[@jigary]

I’d say it’s like most every domination in that the vast majority of people don’t know the official doctrines of the denomination they are in…. Frankly most Christians don’t know scripture. So to me it’s not surprising that SDA members or pastors don’t know the history and details of their official doctrine. I’d be more surprised if “high ranking”ministers and scholars of SDA were ignorant of the doctrine. But if you read the comments some SDA ministers are clearly hold at least some of errant doctrines that were stated in the vid but they are upset with how it was stated or the explanation.

[@MBHoward85]

Geography plays a HUGE role. Caribbean Adventist are very different from even souther American Adventist

[@vanessadodds7572]

I think there are two peoples view point who happen to have the same view. So therefore you could do this against any denomination as don’t we choose denominations based on beliefs. Apart from the perrys they don’t come across as Christian’s rather as judgemental, it wasn’t a conversation but an attack as in their choice of religion is perfect, the Jews thought they were perfect, early Christian’s thought they were right and in one accord so how come so many denominations now, only Jesus can give light

[@NathalieVA56]

I appreciate the disclaimer that they gave that they’re not trying to “bash” SDA but one of Mr. Eric’s opening claims was that “THEY work in stealth” making a blanket statement about all Adventist. Sounds like bashing to me.

[@Say-hey24]

The great controversy is not so much a doctrine as it is a world view. It’s the lens that Adventist cultists look 👀 through.