Is Spain going to change the 90 180 day rule for Brit expats?

There’s been news that Spain is going to change the 90 day rule for Brits so they can stay in Spain over the winter months, and as usual word has spread on social media and caused a lot of excitement and hope. Skatz sifts through the bull to get to the truth.
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[@colinparkinson6818]

Thanks for reporting this as it keeps the subject alive; but unfortunately I won't be buying in Spain until we can stay at least 6 months of the year. We need to get this rule changed.

[@youtoospain]

Fair enough. You’re welcome. Bear in mind that if you want to stay more than 6 months you’ll have to get a visa and residency anyway and pay tax. Even if they change Schengen law you won’t be able to holiday for longer than 182 days a year altogether.

[@colinparkinson6818]

Ideally I'd like to spend the winter months in Spain and staying just under the 182 days a year. This has to be advantageous to Spain as we'll all be spending half of our annual expenditure in their country.

[@richardcooley9730]

@@youtoospain as well as visiting the Town Hall to get your Padron, then the police station/bank/police station (you can't pay the police directly) to get your NIE, then your driving licence - not even sure of the current status, but I believe you will have to change that. Oh, and you can't take your UK registered car away for more than 90 days. Have fun!

[@youtoospain]

@@colinparkinson6818 the non residents I meet come to Spain for just under 6 months altogether but they spread it out over the year. They’re spending the same money as they would if the 6 months were all together, so I’m not sure it would benefit Spain enough to allow that.

[@lesliekillingback4971]

Vote to rejoin the E,U

[@andrewhesselden]

I can see that you don’t want to get people’s hopes up unduly, however in this case there is a certain degree of substance behind the noise. I run the 180 days in Spain campaign and we have an opportunity over the next 3 to 4 weeks to really encourage this to happen. If you’d like some more information about this then please get in touch

[@youtoospain]

Well, as you've no doubt seen, I'm in the 'don't hold your breath' camp, but I'm always interested in people who are at least attempting to achieve the impossible in a positive way. After you've seen tomorrow's follow up video about the French amendments, which I've been quite disparaging about, let's see if you still think it's worth a follow up

[@andrewhesselden]

Oh yes, I'm not into holding breath about this. I've been working on this for 4-5 years now with other people so it's certainly a slow burner, but things are really picking up pace. This goes in flurries of activity. We don't really like the French Senators' plan that much, for various reasons, but what we are happy about is that the situation has been recognised and that it is now being talked about. We consider it positive overall. Our proposals (and those of our French sister campaign) are far more egalitarian@@youtoospain . Nevertheless we have a unique opportunity right now for the next 3-4 weeks to influence this and show the French government that this would be popular. Of course, measures that only benefit second home owners are less likely to be popular. - please get in touch with me if you want to discuss further. - Andrew @andrewhesselden

[@AlanReid-mt9kk]

Good luck. Even to be able to use the 180 days at the same time would be great

[@bahijarhafiri]

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[@GhanYt]

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[@GhanYt]

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[@GhanYt]

Thats true sometimes a bit of research and thinking can go a long way. I will carryout my own research, also look into Berskshire and others you mentioned. i will lookup your advisor too incase i have questions that need clarification . Thanks for sharing

[@youtoospain]

This sounds very exciting, how should I proceed if I want to lose all of my money?

[@tsuchan]

Anybody remember that phrase from "Yes Minister!", "The less you intend to do about something, the more you've got to keep talking about it!" ? Anyway, the last I heard, even Benidorm was more interested in attracting better-heeled and less disreputable holidayers than hanging-on to Brits.

[@Merc-Rover]

Benidorm's hotels will be full of boat people by Xmas

[@marleneMS]

​@@Merc-Roverpreferable don't you think?

[@Merc-Rover]

@@marleneMS If you own a hotel

[@youtoospain]

By boat people do you mean illegal immigrants or rich yacht owners?

[@Merc-Rover]

@@youtoospain The people who supply the boats seem to be doing quite well 🤔

[@angelrose7906]

BREXIT - what a mess!

[@youtoospain]

Can’t argue with that

[@leonleon8675]

Here's an exemption, either the UK accepts freedom of movement or things remain the same. Meanwhile please enjoy UK's winter and high gas bills

[@kateroyston9416]

haha enjoy the millions of illegals sinking the UK and other EU countries, ie Germany, Sweden and Italy who are going to export their illegal immigrants.

[@darrendavies1780]

Thats the issue, I think. Brexit removed freedom of movement in both directions, so I cant see the EU going for it, and as its an EU issue rather than a Spain specific one it probably wont get much traction.

[@andrewhesselden]

Yes, that would be nice if UK gov could be persuaded to do that. Please support campaigns like "@saveFOM" that are trying to make that happen.

[@liahurst8575]

Ah so they do miss us after all. I remember at one time they didn't want British tourists. Now they realise their mistake.

[@richardcooley9730]

Don't hold your breath, this is local politics from the tourist dependent areas. The rules are not EU, but Schengen and to implement would require the border posts being replaced with Portugal and France and that won't happen over night.

[@youtoospain]

Lol, they’ve still got plenty of Brit tourists, no issues there.

[@fcassmann]

We don't need you. We don't want you. Out means out! Stay on that stinky rock in the northsea. Bye bye brexitannia.

[@robertgozdanovits2014]

If you plan to emigrate you should become a citizen not hang on to your British citizenship.

[@youtoospain]

You have to live here for ten years before you can apply to be a citizen.

[@janschkeuditz6065]

Why ? I travel throughout europe often spending a year here or there. You can not get citizenship at a drop of a hat. Schengen is not across the whole of the EU.

[@andrewhesselden]

Of course this isn’t about people who want to emigrate permanently. This is about people who want to life in two countries or who travel frequently for work or pleasure to other Schengen countries

[@andrewhesselden]

Why should people give up their identity? I have a certain sympathy for people who chose to keep their own British Citizenship because Spain requires you to give up British Citizenship (but not if you are French or South American or Portuguese). Remember that giving up British Citizenship might make it imposible for you to live or work in the UK or care for family members in future.

[@andrewhesselden]

If you would like some info on how Spain could change this, I’d be happy to brief you on what we know and where the possibilities currently are.

[@samhartford8677]

We know how Spain can change it: by issuing an extended visa for 2nd home owners. Them saying that the EU has to solve the problem for them does not bode well.

[@boodori1210]

@@samhartford8677 exactly. no need to involve uk oreu just create a visa like they did 4 dig nomds

[@jonathangat4765]

It seems like every 180 days someone writes an article about it and 90 people say a change is nigh. Salade du journalistes, as the French say.

[@youtoospain]

Indeed. That’s why I made this. Next time an article comes out all I need to do is repost instead of wasting hours repeating myself. 😄

[@andrewhesselden]

Yes. This is how change is slowly happening in a world of populism. 🙏

[@petebetts3090]

I think that you got to the point at 9:10 in the video. They could create a new visa and they might do just that, but it's not going to be next year (or indeed anytime soon) and may depend on a better relationship with a new UK government. The fact that the Tourism Minister has mentioned this a number of times probably means that they are testing the the water to see what people think about the idea. Give it a few years and it might happen - there's not any downsides to doing it for either Spain or the UK, nor will it negatively impact other EU countries. We can only hope that these type of issues will start to improve as we get further away from Brexit!

[@youtoospain]

We shall see. I won’t hold my breath. Though I like your optimism.

[@andrewhesselden]

18,000 people are working very hard to try to make this or something similar happen@@youtoospain

[@Weegie2]

UK citizens will get back their EU rights when the UK learns to have some humility, kindness and understanding for the EU team. Good luck waiting!

[@youtoospain]

Thanks for the luck, but I’ve already got it and my EU rights. I’m Irish.

[@fatboyslim3550]

Hi yes great title for click bait 👍😉🇪🇸

[@youtoospain]

Seems to have done the trick 😀

[@Paul_C]

​@@youtoospainit will limit the number of subs. I hate it and therefore won't visit your channel just once. Then never again. Hope you won't mind.

[@youtoospain]

@@Paul_C I’ve ended up with more subscribers from this than any other video. But hey, each to their own. Sorry to see you go.

[@matthewjames1114]

I lived in Spain between 2002 and 2008. Had an NIE number and Residencia card. Does that make it any easier to go back?

[@youtoospain]

Not once you’ve been away for over 5 years no. Keep ahold of your NIE number though if you intend to move back.

[@andrewhesselden]

Possibly. Do get some legal advice.

[@standelasanantone2180]

Just curious... which visa(s) allows retired US citizens receiving a decent pension, and passive income streams, to live in Spain for 4-6 months? (Not really interested in permanent residency at this point just want to stay several months at a time, while we determine whether/not we would actually want to live there.)

[@youtoospain]

Well, the Non Lucrative Visa would allow you to do that but it’s designed as a long term residency visa, and the time, effort and fees required to go through the process would put anyone off doing it just to be there on an extended holiday. Besides, you’d need a long term address to gain residency.

[@blackvulcan100]

Well we know who will say No ! The French. They will never forgive us for leaving the EU however IF Spain by some miracle can achieve this we as a retired couple are more than ready to spend more time and even more of our money in Spain.

[@youtoospain]

And we’ll be happy to see you.

[@matthewstagg9786]

I'm British and emigrated to France. The French that I have met (given the size of the country, a very small sample) don't talk about Brexit at all beyond a shrug that says "nutters be nutters."

[@youtoospain]

@@matthewstagg9786 we’ve got loads of nationalities in this area, but only the Brits talk about Brexit. Well, maybe the Irish a bit too, but we were more affected.

[@samhartford8677]

That is such a ridiculous attitude, as if we cared enough to hold a vengeance. We just basically think Brexit was stupid and you are entitled to the consequences of that stupid choice.

[@KinglllDUB]

@@youtoospain I have spoke to many British migrants who have propertie in Spain and also voted for brexit, how stupid can you be lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@davidwebber6956]

Another visual delight . We'll done. Appreciate all the effort you put in .

[@youtoospain]

Thanks David. Glad you appreciated it.

[@tobytwirl04]

EXCELLENT! I have now 'subscribed'... PLEASE keep us updated! Ta muchly..

[@youtoospain]

Yay! Will do

[@emiliorodenasgonzalez8568]

No it won,t gonna happens..you have 2 options 1)Sell your properties and come back to uk 2)citizen residency so that means you have to reject your Uk citizenship Choose

[@youtoospain]

Lol, just 2 options? I can think of dozens. Also, I have no properties, I live in Spain, I’m Irish, and to get Spanish citizenship you need to be resident here for at least ten years so that’s not an option

[@emiliorodenasgonzalez8568]

@@youtoospain and 3 examen.. spanish..spanish historia and spanish constitution

[@emiliorodenasgonzalez8568]

@@youtoospain as UE member..you don t have any problem

[@youtoospain]

@@emiliorodenasgonzalez8568 exactly.

[@BaldmanB]

You can be a resident without being a citizen. Another option is to move to Ireland for a few years and get Citizenship there eventually, or if you have a Irish parent or grandparent you can apply for foreign born citizenship.

[@tommycockles336]

Maybe Spain should leave the EU as well then they can make their own laws, there's a novelty

[@youtoospain]

I doubt any country would consider it after watching the car crash of the UK leaving

[@Uduwerage]

There is enough evidence from across the EU that even where there was and remains EU scepticism, the desire to commit suicide as England and Wales chose for the rest of the UK has depleted.

[@arsenvokrug4198]

@@youtoospain Remind me which car-crash. I think we might be watching a different Grand Prix.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

Nobody else is going to leave, we're now a joke and the EU won't allow a schengen country to change the rule, this isn't going to happen.

[@youtoospain]

@@arsenvokrug4198 oh it was a little known race called Brexit. You may have missed it, it wasn’t in the papers much.

[@howarddavies6685]

It’s not expats. It’s immigrants.

[@bluenose007]

correct

[@johnbrereton5229]

An expat is a legal term meaning a person who lives in a foreign country temporarily. Many of these expats only live in Spain during the British winter period, therefore they are expats not immigrants.

[@manuelfg2902]

Unless you a tourist, you an inmigrant, very easy.

[@kateroyston9416]

Who cares? Play with words as much as you like if it makes you feel less resentful.

[@manuelfg2902]

@@kateroyston9416 i agree

[@Merc-Rover]

I can't see it happening any time soon.

[@youtoospain]

Me neither

[@johnmckie6563]

I’m not sure if you or the Schengen rules annoy me more. Tis one or the other bit interesting nonetheless

[@youtoospain]

Ooh I hope it’s me. I put a lot of effort in.

[@sgtschulz5276]

On our last visit the Spanish used a stamp in my wifes passport that was totally unreadable, and upon leaving we asked why . The officer really didn't care and to me I think till etias comes in they really couldn't care less.

[@youtoospain]

It’s certainly not a perfect system, that’s for sure.

[@brunobrauer6301]

They do not care, there are 144 3rd countries like the UK.

[@pilot_paul42]

The Spanish could issue a Royal Decree. There are already different rules between France and Spain in relation to residency

[@youtoospain]

Royal Decrees are only created when there’s urgent and extraordinary need. However extraordinary Brits think they are, the Spanish King won’t see it that way.

[@boodori1210]

@@youtoospain royal decrees are routinely created all of the time it's how the Spanish legislative system implements secondary legislation all of Spain immigration law is implemented by royal decree not at all urgent

[@youtoospain]

@@boodori1210 the whole point of Royal Decrees is that they are temporary and urgent, they are decrees to make something law that can’t be put in place quickly enough by normal legislative means. Then they must be ratified by parliament within three months. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from but I’ve looked through quite a few RDLs and they don’t fit your description. Perhaps you could provide examples?

[@boodori1210]

@@youtoospain bs .Royal Decrees are normal legislative means eg Spanish Immigration law. The basis is the Organic Law (ie. passed by Parliament) 4/2000. Organic law is deliberately vague rather than bog Parliament down in minutiae some time later the sitting government issued royal decrees that filling the detail, for immigration that’s RD 557/2011 . it’s the equivalent of a uk s5autory instrument

[@andrewhesselden]

Yes absolutely.

[@mohamedthariq9256]

My wife was an asian and then she become a spanish citizen. But our marreige certificate still for the old asian name and we married in asia. So my question is. Is she will be able to take me to spain after she become a spanish citizen? By showing asian marriage certificate ?

[@youtoospain]

I believe so yes, it would need to be translated by an official Spanish translator and apostilled. I would get in touch with your nearest Spanish embassy to confirm this, and to find a translator.

[@mohamedthariq9256]

@@youtoospain thank you sir

[@andrewhesselden]

Spain already has a bilateral treaty with USA. We’re asking for Brits in Spain before Brexit to be protected and we’re asking for new arrangements for all UK passport holders. If Spain wants to go further that’s up to Spain

[@youtoospain]

Pre-Brexit Brits are already protected. What extra measures are you asking for?

[@andrewhesselden]

@@youtoospainAlongside improving travel arrangements for every UK passport holder, we are looking for those registered before Brexit to not ever lose their registration due to any future absence and for those not registered to be allowed to do so retrospectively.

[@BaldmanB]

This will never be approved by the EU government. The UK will need to allow the freedom of movement to all EU citizens too, and they wint either.

[@youtoospain]

Oh, wint they? Never?

[@daviddack1595]

Hi, I want my freedom of Movement back and EU rights back, Re-Join The EU.

[@youtoospain]

Sorry, can’t help you there. Petition your MP and start a campaign.

[@philiphowell1505]

I am so thankful to be living in my small town, brit free, on my beloved Gran Canaria.

[@youtoospain]

Great, I’m very happy for you. Apart from the lack of Brits, what’s it you love the most about GC?

[@philiphowell1505]

@@youtoospain The community, nobody has much, including me, but the gathering of folk and the small cafes, the genuine sense of family is worth everything. My old lady neighbour who must be in her nineties always calls buena dia, with the smile as though she is still eighteen. The old man who pokes his nose through my fence every morning and says ah desayuno, si senor. The kids going to school at 8 am, noisy but wouldn dream of wrecking my flowers. The policia local. policia national, and Guardia civil gather in the cafe in our square and thats the only time we see them. We have lots of small paseos where people pass at all times of day or night with no problems. I learned a long time ago after holidaying here for 20 years that I was finally coming home. Gain legal residency before brexit, pay all your taxes, register your right to vote in local elections, and enjoy the life in a small human community and rediscover what really matters.

[@youtoospain]

@@philiphowell1505 beautiful words, thanks for sharing. ❤️

[@chrisclarke7828]

@@youtoospain Lack of Brits is nice.

[@johnlightfoot9967]

Why does the video not work at all ?

[@youtoospain]

It seems to have worked for thousands of people so far, which suggests the issue is at your end.

[@youtooaromatherapyyoga2991]

Brilliant as always!

[@madgringo9263]

Spanish citizsnship isn't granted just like that unless you are a millioner.....the rest need to prove long time stays in the Country plus a deep knowledge of the Spanish Language and General Culture which has to pass a written text......not an easy thing to overcome....😮😊

[@youtoospain]

True, and thanks, but I wasn’t talking about citizenship in this video.

[@madgringo9263]

@@youtoospain you weren't talking about Spanish citizenship but somebody was in the comments section to whom I did answer.

[@youtoospain]

@@madgringo9263okay, but your comment was just on its own so there was no way of knowing that, you need to click on reply so that your comment appears in the place where it makes sense.

[@agil2277]

I liked it. Well done.

[@youtoospain]

Thank you very much!

[@andychase44]

Excellent analysis

[@youtoospain]

Cheers Andy.

[@andrewdarlington8368]

If the Spanish really want more UK visitors why don’t they simply reduce the golden visa requirements which would then encourage more Uk buyers?

[@youtoospain]

Because they don’t want tens of thousands of people buying property to leave empty for the majority of the time when there are housing shortages. That’s the main argument in government for getting rid of the Golden Visa. Besides, the BLS visa centres in the UK are full up every day with Brits applying for Non Lucrative Visas. There’s no extra encouragement needed.

[@RobboinSpain]

Do I get % for mentioning this last Saturday Skatz😮😉😉

[@youtoospain]

Sadly not. You get the full weight of responsibility on your shoulders 🤣🤣

[@dereklupton5259]

Well meaning feedback: I was interested in this but had to stop watching as I found the constantly changing background very iritating and a destration from your report

[@youtoospain]

Thanks for your feedback. I’ll bear it in mind.

[@chrisclarke7828]

Me too, l cannot watch, too much bad comedy, difficult to concentrate.

[@johnjohn8836]

Spain has done a deal with Norway along the same lines and they wasn’t in the EU

[@jackjoyce1744]

Norway is a member of the European Economic Area and Schengen Area. The UK is not part of either.

[@youtoospain]

Norwegians can only stay 90 days in Spain. What deal are you thinking of?

[@jackjoyce1744]

@@youtoospain Norwegians have the same freedom of movement rights as EU citizens so do Icelandics and Swiss. After 3 months they have to apply for residency but they aren’t restricted like UK nationals needing visas etc.

[@youtoospain]

@@jackjoyce1744 that’s not really ‘along the same lines’. Norway may not be in the Schengen Area but it’s a Schengen state. The UK elected to be neither.

[@andrewhesselden]

Yes, this option is open to UK gov too. But there are perhaps other ways that travel can be eased as well.

[@susansantapola]

Thats Brexit for you, if you voted for it you got what you voted for. Leave the club lose the benefits.

[@youtoospain]

I’m not sure most people knew what the consequences would be

[@Uduwerage]

@@youtoospain The consequences were widely promoted, but I agree many Brexiteers were deaf to reality.

[@Uduwerage]

Of course those who voted for Brexit and lost their rights to their Spanish homes could change their opinions about the EU. Changing one’s opinion in the sight of evidence is to be respected.

[@youtoospain]

@@Uduwerage the message was very much ‘we’re going to negotiate a great deal with the EU’. Keeping immigrants out was heavily promoted, but limiting Brits’ travel? I don’t remember that featuring at all.

[@Uduwerage]

@@youtoospain, I was involved in the Remain campaign, and I recall hearing of the travel restrictions and limitations of migrant's rights. Still, I am also involved in higher education, which has suffered hugely and, so was more focussed on such issues. It is ironic that a sizeable proportion of Brexiteers with overseas interests voted Brexit because of their fear of imigration when they too could be defined within this. I genuinely hope that Brits with holiday homes will be able to return to the warmth more often, but equally, I wish our young people to have the benefits of travel and working overseas that we enjoyed for many years.

[@joaquincastello6174]

Please .. I beg you....Don´t put flamenco music when you are talking about Spain....I beg you. There are many folks musics around my country. Flamenco is just in the far south of Spain..I mean far south. We have "jotas"..Try to understand..I am from valencia and i never ever heard flamenco music in the streets..Why ARE YOU SO DUMB?????.We have "jotas valencianas " as folk music.....PLEASE . have you heard bagpipes in Colchester????????.... Please .Barcelona ,Madrid , Bilbao ; valencia , Galicia , Asturias , Castilla , etc..... don´t have the flamenco¡¡¡¡¡¡¡.

[@joaquincastello6174]

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[@youtoospain]

That’s the same apoplectic rage you put on another of my videos. There’s about 10 seconds of flamenco music on this video. Chill out dude.

[@shawngrinter2747]

There is a meme that says any headline that ends with a question mark- the answer is No.

[@youtoospain]

Lol, in my experience nothing is ever black and white. I prefer ‘it depends!’

[@dewaltxrp7889]

LOL ALL THE EU WILL GIVE IN TO THE 90 DAY RULE, THE BRITS ARE TRAVELLING TO THE EAST AND ARE LOVING IT. NO MORE EUROPEAN HOLS FOR ME VIETNAM FOR CHRISTMAS YEEHAA SOD SPAIN.

[@susansantapola]

You are very fortunate to be able to afford such and expensive holiday, you're clearly alright Jack . Most are not.

[@youtoospain]

No sign of the EU giving in and relaxing the rule. Too many people afraid of immigrants. Enjoy your Christmas in Vietnam.

[@olearyma57]

VIETNAM FOR CHRISTMAS YEEHAA said the dim wit YANK IN 1968.

[@dewaltxrp7889]

@@susansantapola hi susan cambodia in January this year cost me an extra £175 and then is worked out £200 cheaper because food was a 5th of the price

[@dewaltxrp7889]

hi youtoospain,@@youtoospain immigrants don't come from the UK.

[@madgringo9263]

But 90 days expands a whole Winter....does it Not ?..😮😊

[@youtoospain]

Not in the UK it doesn’t. At least not in terms of the cold they’re trying to avoid.

[@andrewhesselden]

It’s not just about a continuous winter stay. Many younger people travel all over Europe for work and pleasure (and to visit family) so the 90 in 180 day problem is a huge problem for any frequent traveller.

[@madgringo9263]

@@andrewhesselden yes ...I agree with you But the U.K.left the E.U. at their own Will....not even wanting to be part of the single Market so what do they want to obtein from US Now.... Full membership rights without paying the yearly fees.... Is very silly of you....Don't you agree with me ?😄😃

[@andrewhesselden]

I don't disagree@@madgringo9263 that the UK left the EU. We know this and are acutely aware of it every single painful day. However the people who are complaining now are not the people who chose to end FOM, leave the EU or the EEA. They didn't even vote for Brexit. So we must continue to create the case for rejoining or easing restrictions, so that UK politicians realise the error of their ways and understand how unpopular their Brexit (especially hard Brexit) is. If we are unwilling to explain WHY we need mobility in countries like Spain, then it's hard to see how or why UK politicians would voluntarily choose to rejoin the EU; after all, sharing sovereignty like this very slightly weakens the influence they have over UK affairs and when politicians have been elected, they often want unbridled power.

[@madgringo9263]

@@andrewhesselden Yes I do see and understand your point of vew.... But in truth the U.k. was never very glad to form part of the Unión....Only a few years after joining there was as you well know a Referéndum to leave the E.E.C. that It was then.... Please Don't get me wrong....I Don't want to hurt your feelings But in general glad to join "the Continentals" the Great majority of you wasn't at all. You are a very peculiar people indeed....you must admit....always moaning...complaining and whinging non stop. The rest of the E.U. member States do fights their quarters in the everending fight for their National Interest But only to a certain extent....you went all the way all the time.....Give me back that and the other......like spoilt little kids.... In truth they were glad to see you leave with the Unión Jack waving and with the silly childlike sarcasm of BLA,BLA mouth Nigel Farage cracking jokes to the E.U. M.P.'s We are living in the 21'st, Century .... Not in the 19th,....a Nuclear, Digital age....and playing the Game as if we were before WWl is very silly. You have to OVERHOULE all your Systems just like the rest of US in the E.U. Did do long time ago.

[@LMB222]

No, they won't. If they do, I'll complain that the Brits have exceptional exceptions.

[@youtoospain]

So you’d make a rejection of the exceptional exceptions and not accept the election of visa extensions? What’s the source of your abjection?

[@RobertHorner-b7e]

Can`t say that the 90 day rule is a problem . Just obey the rules and your ok ,initially a bit more paperwork for residency and your ok . I did this bit of pain to begin with for couple of months then I was given 10 yr residency .

[@youtoospain]

You got instant 10 year residency? How did you do that?

[@youtooaromatherapyyoga2991]

Must have Spanish parents if you got 10 year residency or be from South America

[@Lisbon6T7]

Not a bit more paperwork, mega paperwork, Hague Apostle needed for paperwork, sworn Spanish translator, and then 1 year non Lucrative Visa, followed by 2 more visas over 5 years. Do explain how you got a 10 year visa.

[@andrewhesselden]

It’s not a problem for anyone able to Emigrate permanently. It’s still a problem for people who are mobile or still working in another country.

[@greattobeadub]

What is this British obsession with calling British immigrants or in this case tourists “ex pat”?

[@d333my]

A lot love there or own a property. Expat is from the colonial / post colonial days as it sounds better than immigrant. 😂

[@AlexGys9]

It is just British snobbery

[@youtoospain]

Here’s my response to all of them, and all of you kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIK9pqt-bLOcfNUsi=3zNNlKWD5NXgSfUX

[@LMB222]

Because you and I are immigrants. Brits are better, they are expats. An expat is actually a word: it means a person who's been sent *by their company* to an abroad post.

[@JDRELGOR]

We've just got our years 2/3 done and picking up new TIE card this month, if they change the rules the people that live here illegally will make a mockery of the system. Plus all the people that lived in Spain for god knows how many years but still haven't changed any of their Britishness WHY?

[@kateroyston9416]

Why do you care ?

[@youtoospain]

The ones living here illegally will eventually be expelled. As for the others at least they’re putting money into the economy. Well done for the renewal, whereabouts are you living?

[@youtoospain]

Kate, because it reflects badly on the rest of us I think.

[@andrewhesselden]

Why will it help people in Spain illegally? This isn’t to help illegally residing people today. It’s to help people who can’t live in Spain or even visit easily right now because they are following the law.

[@Spain5933]

I sometimes get the feeling you actually enjoy the fact you that you live there and many can't as there's very little new content here just a smattering of smugness, just my opinion as someone said in the comments just poor clickbait

[@youtoospain]

Well you’re half right, I love living here and like everyone else who arrives I do get smug about it and can’t help posting pictures. I don’t enjoy that it’s now more difficult for some others to move here, if you watch the live shows especially you’ll see how much effort I put into helping people achieve that. As the video points out, this is repeated news. The only new thing is it’s in the news again right now, that and the raised hope this time amongst expats. That alone is worthy of a good rant. As for poor clickbait, look at the viewing figures compared to my usual first 24 hours. I think it’s proved to be very good clickbait. 😀

[@youtooaromatherapyyoga2991]

Someone mentioned it on a previous show and asked for Skatz to look into it as he’s very thorough. If you watch previous videos you’ll see what the connections are but thank you for commenting as it really helps the algorithm for him and he deserves it as he’s the most accurate vlogger on KZbin about this subject so far.

[@andrewhesselden]

Maybe we can work to change that for more people@@youtoospain

[@PhilHiggins-jn9bl]

Not a chance. It not up to Spain. It a European law. All European countries would have to agree with it

[@youtoospain]

Well thanks for watching

[@andrewhesselden]

We have around 18,000 people now supporting our campaigns for change and there are possibly some ways that Spain (or the EU) could change this, even without UK gov doing anything at all. There are also things UK gov could do, clearly.

[@simonconquest]

It is up to Spain - not the EU.

[@youtoospain]

@@simonconquest it depends on whether you’re talking about the Schengen law or a local tourist visa extension. One is an EU law, the other is created by the local country, although it would need EU legislation for the practicalities of its use.

[@manuelfg2902]

Spain can't change 90 day rule by itself. Its a schengen issue.

[@youtoospain]

Well thanks for reading the title at least.

[@manuelfg2902]

@@youtoospain good one, my friend 🤤🤤

[@andrewhesselden]

We are not entirely certain that's true. Brussels only has competency on short term immigration up to 90 days. Beyond that, individual member states are fully "sovereign" for want of a better word. The only thing Brussels mandates is that Schengen states must allow any citizen of an Annex II list country (there are around 65 of them inc UK), into their country for AT LEAST 90 days (or the balance of 90 days) in the even the traveller has not already had 90 days in the past 180 days in a Schengen zone country. So we believe that Spain could certainly grant national permission to enter Spain over and above this. Indeed, Spain already does this for 18 non-EU countries like New Zealand, Canada, Singapore, Japan, Honduras etc. - Andrew - 180 Days in Spain Campaign

[@manuelfg2902]

@@andrewhesselden wow, i really didn't know i was so wrong. If thats true, why uk is not allowed to stay longer then 90 days bein' the main tourists sender?

[@andrewhesselden]

You're not alone. Because people don't like the impact of the 90-in-180 day problem, they view it as a restrictive rule from Brussels. Of course it suits member states to have people blame Brussels in their minds too. Remember there are eurosceptic politicians all over Europe too. But the reality is quite different because if the 90-in-180 Day Schengen visa waiver didn't exist at all, then Brits would have no visa-free access to Spain at all. Normal rules for all foreigners would apply. No holidays without visas. So the Schengen Visa Waiver is a very good thing for all Brits right now. It's more accurate to complain that the provisions of the Schengen Visa Waiver are not adequate, then it is to complain about any supposed 90-in-180 day rule, because essentially it is not a restrictive rule at all. We hope Spain will choose to introduce a Spain/UK-specific National Visa Waiver that works in a similar way to all the pre-Schengen bilateral treaties that exist for New Zealanders and Canadians and Japanese etc. 18 countries have bilateral agreements with Spain and we have reason to believe UK gov might (finally) be exploring such a possibility now. We are trying to nudge them in that direction.@@manuelfg2902

[@stevedriver1376]

Look into my eyes, not around the eyes....

[@youtoospain]

I’m back in the room.

[@marksmith8663]

The UK has relaxed rule on EU 90 days staying in this country .

[@youtoospain]

Not sure what you mean, this sentence doesn’t make sense

[@jonsnow6741]

Wonders what Old Vony will have to say about that .

[@youtoospain]

Vony? Who’s that?

[@jonsnow6741]

@@youtoospain THE EU PRESIDENT !

[@youtoospain]

@@jonsnow6741 lol, you must know her really well to call her ‘from’

[@jonsnow6741]

@@youtoospain do you not know the failed German politician that Germany would not endorse .that now rules spain .

[@youtoospain]

@@jonsnow6741 you seem to have a bizarre understanding of European politics. If you’re talking about the President of the EU Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, she seems to have been quite a successful politician in Germany. And she certainly knew how to handle the UK’s failed Brexit negotiations. But ‘in charge of Spain’? That’s a bit far fetched. What are you afraid of here? That she’s German? That she’s a woman? That you didn’t vote for her? That she oversees the EU laws for a fixed 5 year period?

[@simonconquest]

Shame this video is factually incorrect. Spain and each country can change the rules.

[@youtoospain]

So you keep stating without explanation. Spain cannot unilaterally change an EU law. Third country nationals can’t remain in Spain for longer than 90 days. Spain can of course create residency visas and even tourism extension visas, but they can’t change the Schengen law.

[@rolandhaas566]

I like to see when my british neighbours are packing there cars after 85 days of staying in Portugal and drive back to the rainy island ....we should change this law in giving them 15 days max in a year ....hahahahaha Greetings from the sunny Algarve !

[@georgewaters7667]

You sound like a really good neighbour don't you.

[@rolandhaas566]

@@georgewaters7667 I am a good neighbour . After telling us x times how clever the UK was to vote "out" and criticising the EU and specially Portugal we are all happy he can enjoy the sunny uplands back home for at least 6 months in a year .

[@shraddashradda]

@@rolandhaas566you really think this rule comes from the people? Hmm look harder dear. And actually the uk is very beautiful in both rain and shine.

[@richtaylor7346]

The UK have given a golden visa for free to anyone who can swim the channel or come in on Dinghy. How can the Spanish government say that anyone with an expensive holiday home can spend as much time and money in Spain now. But we don't want the Rwanda lot . 😂😮

[@youtoospain]

Well if you call being locked up in detention centres a free Golden Visa then I suppose you’re right. The Spanish government can’t and aren’t saying that.

[@benmarshall5235]

Great video, Brexit really is utter bollox

[@youtoospain]

Try as I might I can’t find a way to disagree with that.

[@benmarshall5235]

@@youtoospain You are constrained by reality. Unlike the Brexiteers

[@youtoospain]

@@benmarshall5235 yeah, reality is underrated these days.

[@benmarshall5235]

@@youtoospain Yep, it's a bit like the first Clash album, those of us who remember it, remember how great it was

[@youtoospain]

@@benmarshall5235 🤣🤣🤣

[@brunobrauer6301]

No, Spain doesn't have the power to do that. The Freedoms of Movement come together or not at all. Brexit means Brexit.

[@kkhitzat]

Wrong. Spain can offer a visa scheme to avoid the rule. For example, the golden visa. Is going to? I doubt it.

[@youtoospain]

Thanks for reading the title at least, Bruno.

[@youtoospain]

Kkhitzat, I doubt it too.

[@andrewhesselden]

We believe Spain can probably change this.

[@andrewhesselden]

Yes, they can create a visa. We also believe they can create an "automatic entitlement to a visa without formalities" which is what French senators have proposed this week for certain Brits. If they can create visas, then we believe they can also grant visa exemptions too (visa waivers)@@kkhitzat

[@ML-jr1yz]

Brits lost big time even to take the dogs to EU . ..

[@youtoospain]

Poor dogs

[@boris1066]

It is irrelevant because the UK Pension is now a Benefit, take a look at the uk Gov website according to it a UK Pensioner can't spend more than 4 weeks in any 12 month period outside the UK without losing their pension? Please tell me I am wrong !!

[@youtoospain]

Send me the link to that please, email it to [e-mail] because you can’t post links to KZbin comments. Thanks.

[@paulsansom9368]

It's pension tax credits that get stopped after 1 month outside of the UK not the state pension

[@youtoospain]

@@paulsansom9368 thanks, that makes more sense

[@doggy55915]

Your wrong

[@melvinpenman1102]

shhhh the Tories will love that idea

[@boodori1210]

“Popping out of Spain for a few days” is BS

[@youtoospain]

Name me a court case where it’s been tested

[@boodori1210]

@@youtoospain make a video that explains how a Brit can live in Spain by getting a residence visa in say Greece, moving to Spain and carefully popping into Gibraltar every couple of months

[@youtoospain]

@@boodori1210 are you comparing that situation to an EU citizen spending 89 days in Spain and driving to France for a few days?

[@boodori1210]

@@youtoospain you can call your video “pre Brexit uk citizens can use this simple trick to get onward freedom of movement. To all Brits in france who have now decided to move to spain no need to apply for residency, just pop back to France for a pastis every 3 months and you’re perfectly legal. Yep, no need to even exchange your driving licence, just show your bar receipt for you pastis and say ‘a bloke on youtube says I’m not breaking the law’”

[@youtoospain]

@@boodori1210 well, seeing as that’s not what I said in the video, I don’t think it would be a good title. I’m not getting you to write my clickbait, you’re rubbish.

[@anthonyferris8912]

Shame on UK Brexiteers not prioritising the interests of Spanish property owning brits 😂

[@youtoospain]

Bizarrely, some of those property owning Brits are UK Brexiteers. Shat on their own cabbage patch.

[@lesliekillingback4971]

Let's hope not poor spanish

[@youtoospain]

??

[@liamgibson7471]

I cannot believe you took 14 minutes to say NO!, be like me, get yourself an Irish passport, I stay for 9 months at a time!

[@youtoospain]

Already got one thanks.

[@georgewaters7667]

Even if you have a Irish passport you are not permitted to stay for more than 90 days without having a private health insurance if you stay for more than 180 days you automatically become a Spanish Tax resident..I take it you are Ducking and Diving/ living under the radar Illegally in Spain if you are staying for 9 months you are classed as a Tax evading illegal immigrant.

[@youtoospain]

@@georgewaters7667 on the other post you were complaining that you couldn’t stay longer than 90 days since Brexit, and now you’ve just confirmed that you were never supposed to before Brexit anyway without living under the radar.

[@liamgibson7471]

Eh, Got an NEI and the right to vote in Spain, you may have your wires crossed but good luck in your law studies@@georgewaters7667

[@liamgibson7471]

And a Spanish bank account@@georgewaters7667

[@samhartford8677]

Pure PR excercise by Spain: Seem welcoming and supportive of British 2nd home owners whilst knowing there is 0 chance of delivering it.

[@youtoospain]

Could be. I’ll be interested to see if anything at all comes from it.

[@samhartford8677]

@@youtoospain Nothing will. Zero chance that 27 Schengen countries are going to introduce legislation to allow foreigners to stay in their countries for half a year without any control. The far-right would have a field day with that and it would destabilise politics in all 27 countries without any benefit to the countries themselves.

[@andrewhesselden]

It will be a test then of whether Spain really is sovereign over its own territory. We think it is, even as an EU member state

[@samhartford8677]

@@andrewhesselden What test? Spain has clearly sovereignly agreed to limit its visa-free period to 90/180 days. It has the sovereignty to issue longer visa-based permits like all EU/Schengen countries have. That is, the test is whether Spain is willing to leave Schengen for a few British tourists, and the results of that test are already in the Tourism Minister's comments.

[@andrewhesselden]

The suggestions we are making do not require Spain to leave Schengen. It would fit with the current arrangements.

[@markrodgers1263]

Listen lads….Brexit means Brexit and you’ve been vicious about it so……..try somewhere also like Nigeria or Rwanda !

[@youtoospain]

‘Brexit means Brexit’ is just a nonsensical slogan

[@Man_from_UNCLE]

Actually I do live somewhere else and have done for 29 years plus. So you see I am not a Brit in the sense you think ................ I just have a British passport and family there. So in the country where I live, a resident for 29 years plus, I am welcomed and do not get asked "Why are you coming here"? This is purely an EU vindictive instruction and bare in mind I have been visiting Finland and staying on and off since 1996, but all of a sudden in 2022, did I became maybe a member of Al Qaeda? or ISIS? .... that's how I am treated! Actually no, as they are all welcomed and given housing, health treatment, money etc.

[@shraddashradda]

@@youtoospain well Brexit actually means brexsh#t I think was meant. I believe it came from higher controls for more control and not from a few people

[@youtoospain]

@@shraddashradda 🤣

[@youtoospain]

@@Man_from_UNCLE 🤣

[@olearyma57]

No end of Brexit delusion. Spain to leave EU to extend Brit holidayys at Xmas.

[@youtoospain]

No EU country is going to leave, because Brexit left the UK in such a mess

[@matthewstagg9786]

@@youtoospain Further to that, the U.K. won't be getting back in anytime soon, it's far too valuable as a cautionary tale.

[@youtoospain]

@@matthewstagg9786 yeah that would cause an even bigger mess.

[@normanchristie4524]

Not ex pats just tourists.

[@youtoospain]

I’m calling them immigrants kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIK9pqt-bLOcfNUsi=xI6Aqo5y3ovrGIUW

[@andrewhesselden]

Or visitors. People visiting their mum, their dad. Their grandchildren. Or their friends they met at university via Erasmus. Or freelancers, authors, people looking for health respite. Or pan-european consultants who travel a lot on business.

[@ML-jr1yz]

They can't change the rule... the rules are for everyone the same .

[@youtoospain]

Thanks for reading the title at least.

[@andrewhesselden]

Spain is probably able to change this themselves, because the Schengen Treaty just stipulates a minimum, not a maximum.

[@youtoospain]

@@andrewhesselden where does it say that in the treaty?

[@Les-i7e]

You brexiteers are to abide by the rules .full stop. Serves your bloody right

[@KinglllDUB]

British migrants welcome to brexit

[@youtoospain]

Thanks, your Royal Highness, it’s a surprise to see you commenting on KZbin. I don’t suppose Brexit has changed much for you. You can afford a solid Golden Visa.

[@colinparkinson6818]

@kingcharleIII You seem to think that all Brits voted for Brexit.

[@youtoospain]

@@colinparkinson6818 be careful of assumptions, like him being able to think. 🤣

[@KinglllDUB]

@@colinparkinson6818 no but the majority won, so welcome to BREXIT my friend,

[@colinparkinson6818]

@@KinglllDUB You've clearly got a chip on your shoulder TROLL. We'll take our money elsewhere.

[@janschkeuditz6065]

Schengen is not across the whole of the EU.

[@youtoospain]

Not exactly no. I was generalising.

[@liamgibson7471]

Your eyes scare me

[@youtoospain]

They scare me too. You should see them from the inside.

[@XyZCwP]

Or they could drop the ridiculous 600% needed for a nlv

[@youtoospain]

600% of what?

[@XyZCwP]

@@youtoospain iprem

[@youtoospain]

@@XyZCwPah I see. It’s 400% of IPREM. Why is it ridiculous to set a high bar for non EU citizens?

[@XyZCwP]

@@youtoospain it’s ridiculously high since brexit is what I mean pretty sure before brexit you wouldn’t need 60k+ to retire in Spain

[@youtoospain]

@@XyZCwP not if you were a UK citizen and therefore an EU citizen no. To be in the EU is to be in a privileged position, you have freedom to travel and work in other EU countries, and IPREM is the monthly amount you need in Spain in order to register as a resident there if you’re a member of the club. If you’re not in the club, the figure it’s 4 times that amount. It’s that high to control how many people move there and avoid the state having to pay benefits to those who arrive with not enough to sustain them for an extended period.