is Starfield DOWNGRADED Fallout and Skyrim?!

After realizing "SWIMMING" in Starfield was not REAL, I started collecting a list of features that SHOULD be present and, in fact, was present in bethesdas' last games, but for this latest one they decided to remove and/or downgrade.
Swimming, ammo crafting, weapon mod swapping, horse/vehicle riding,show owners paying attention, companion commands, infinite storage, base building, weapon crafting, dual wielding and so much more!
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[@imademyname11yearsagosonowthis]

I'm still enjoying Starfield, but I cant tell you how many times I was playing and was just like, "Did the person who designed this even play the game? Even once?"

[@MiukuMac]

The answer would be; a committee. It's pretty obvious the game was either completely restarted a few times or they had groups of people who decided certain factors in the game and then just pushed it all together in haste and what we have is a frankenstein of a game that would have been great 10 years ago, not so much today.

[@Shadow__133]

@@MiukuMacStill, you'd imagine at later points another team had to stitch the monster together. Didn't they make notes that the game is broken, quests dumb, lack features from 20 years ago, performance sucks, ship and outpost building a disaster etc?

[@imademyname11yearsagosonowthis]

@@MrNegative101 It's equally enjoyable and irritating for me, so yes, a normal Bethesda game. Got it through Gamepass so it is what it is.

[@venomlesscz9525]

@@wyrdwalkr funny thing is, when you find a main quest location reused as a random encounter location, just with blocked off important section (found some abandoned pharmaceutical outpost, where an artefact is hidden, but because it was a random encounter, the cave with the artefact is blocked off)

[@Shadow__133]

@@imademyname11yearsagosonowthis Its like Lego. I spend 99% of the time building a ship, only to play around for a few minutes until I realize it is pointless and not fun.

[@arkgaharandan5881]

morrowind had underwater swimming with fish and plants and treasures to find even underwater dungeons since you could cast waterbreathing and it even had local map in a minimap. Morrowind came out in 2002. In fact there is a mod for new vegas that adds a minimap and the game will draw a map for indoors and outdoors in your minimap just like morrowind, same engine, the technology is there they choose not to use it. In morrowind every npc had a unique game and they were all killable.

[@joaosimoes7734]

What shocks me is that all of this was 20 years ago... generally speaking, and not only about bethesda, developers show LAZYNESS overall. This is the right word imo

[@bdleo300]

Gothic 2 had NPCs with daily routines 20 years ago, something Bethesda only implemented in Oblivion and Skyrim... and now basically abandoned in Starfield, most NPCs just standing in one position 24/7

[@Spooky_Black]

Morrowind is Bethesda best game.

[@pigpuke]

@@Spooky_Black Agreed, every title since then has been a step down/backwards. Especially in writing. Starfield is almost unplayable due to every quest/dialog being written by the stupidest person in the room at any given time.

[@andrejz8954]

Agreed. The only BGS game I play to this day. Only touched a bit of Oblivion to find out it's WAY flawed with the leveling system and boring world. Skyrim was much better, but still only got around 500 hrs of gametime.. or maybe more like 300. As far as Gamebryo goes, only MW and NV are really good games. @@pigpuke

[@fr0zen1isshadowbanned99]

My List :) No Vats - No Gore - No diving - borked Stealth - No Weapon/Armor Repairing(Durability System) - No Building your own Ship/Equipment from Material you Mined/Gathered - No real End-Game Goals - No Transmog - No making your own Contraband - NPCs not dropping what they wear - Can't open Doors, defuse Mines, use Items... when in Scan Mode - Can't control jump height. NPCs can do that. A Charge up Meter is really needed on some Moons, or you fly off like a Rocket - Boost Packs are not really suitable ever/meaning that you need different kinds of Boosters for different Situations but also you need Resistances against Korrosion, Air, Radiation, Bio, and somewhat level conforming Laser, EMP, Bullet Resistance = you need 12+ Boost Packs - Crafting and Building Copy Paste from FO4 but with worse placement control - Awful Controls overall. The game works on GamePad but you need your whole Keyboard if you choose to play on the Keyboard. Make ready to rebind 50 Keys and ignore Conflicts - Very few and lackluster Feats - You should start with level one on each Skill - Skills need to be way more "Exotic". ATM they are mostly "more DMG, can Craft, can buy, can fly - Item Feats are mostly useless and are Copy Paste from FO4 - Skill progression is mostly forgettable and unimaginative - EXP from discovering, Hacking, building, crafting is nearly not existent - Item Notifications gone after 1.5sec = can't check Stats = open Inventory - Carry Capacity sucks - You can't mark individual Items to look/track for - You can't undo all tracking Items - Inventory Menu sucks! StarUI Mod needed = modding mandatory or wasting hours unnecessarily - Can't use Cure Object in Affliction Screen. Again StarUI Mandatory - Not showing "Weather(Corrosion/Radiation...)" Conditions on Planet before landing- Map is awful - Quests send you to places you can't reach - Lifeless Planets are useless - Copy pasted Bases/Caves... no sign of prcedurally generated Locations - Often looking to Scan "Natural Wonder" that I already Scanned because it's not identifyable from the Picture - Planet Map shows 100% scanned even if it's not because of "Costal Area" - Escort Quests that have you travel 1000m+ for low reward - You can't ban Useless Items from Scanner - Rare/Legendary/Epic Items cause 2sec Game Freeze when Equiped and changing to Scanner or cyceling through Weapons - Space Combat at least unskilled at early Levels is pure Stats Game and often undoable because 3v1 - No feeling of actually flying through Space - You still get Stuck and can not jump when on angled Ground as in FO4/Skyrim/Oblivion... - NPC Money should be infinite or at least increased by 4x - Items you pick up/have in Inventory show the worth they have when you buy them from a Merchant, but they should show what they are worth to you, when you sell them - NPC standing on Pilot Seat so only 3rd Person Space Flight or piloting through gap between NPCs Legs - Enemies/Animals on Planet stacked in a Heap, so you think you will fight 3, but it ends up being 12 or more all stacked into one tiny Spot and into each other - Melee Combat as bad as it was in any other Bethesda Game (look what modders did to Skyrims Combat Animations) - Reloading gets Canceled by running and jumping - Typical Bethesda Bullet-Sponge Enemies - Typical run around/jump over Obsacles and slowly chip away their Health - In Ship flight you need to be able to make custom Presets for "Full Power Weapons, Grav Drive, Engines, Shields..." and bind them to F1-F4 or any other Key you choose - Needs City/Outpost/Other Listing on Star-Map to find the Locations + placement of own nameable Markers - Needs Button to stop Quests from coming in. I get 5 new Quests when running around doing one Quest. I don't know how I got the Quests. I don't know who the Quests are from. I have no connection to them. - NPCs need to stop talking over each other. It just can't be too complicated to program in that only one Voice can be played at once. - Finding Quests is a Nightmare. They need to be Structured much better. Time when Quest received/Location of Quest Giver/Nearby Quests/Location of Quest/Radiant Quest... - Still can't go from Sneak to normal Mode whilst doing any other action / meaning Stealth play feels Crap. Sneak to someone with a Melee Weapon, hit them 1 time, wait for Animation to finish, press "Crouch" Key, wait for your Character to stand up, and engage in Comabt. 1995... 19 F*cking 95!!! - I have been playing the Game for 60 hours now and am Level 30 and still I find the same Fire Axe I found on Level 4 over and over 21 DMG - When on the Map Screen, there has to be a Warning that you can not travel at this moment - I am SEETHING because I activated a Mission but the Game decided to not show me that Mission at all, but two other Missions I do not want to do - I decided to do one of the Missions to see what happens... I now have FOUR Map markers. WTF! And I am not allowed to activate even two Missions - Buy Back Disabled as soon as you leave Shopping Window - Can't pay the debt from Dream Home Perk - Game does not tell you what Skills do until you unlock the Line. That means that you can't work to a specific Skill and know its effect - I managed to lock up the Menu by opening and closing it in quick succession. - Can't move after Loading-Screen, but the NPCs can - Crafting is a F*ing JOKE! You dump Skill points and Materials into upgrading but then you look at something like "You can now add a +5 Resistances Mod to Your Jump Pack". And that one cost me 2 Skill Points btw. No mention of that beforhand! - No Planet Wiki showing me what Planet I have been on and what I found on that Planet (Alien Species, "Geysers", Flora...) - No Crafting of Weapons, Armor, Drugs, that are not already in the Game to find - No Enhancement of Weapon/Armor Mods (Stuff like increase chance to poison Enemy by+5%, by "infusing Weapon with 500 Material X, next 5% cost you 1000, next 5% cost you 2000, next 5% cost you 4000... something to make Mining Stuff on Planets useful)- No Melee Weapon Mods - No Melee Weapon Differences in behavior - Can we have 8k+ Planet Pictures for our "Space Journey"? - Just three Slots for Character Itemization (Not promising for what Variety Mods will be able to offer) - Timescale is F*ed when on some Planets. Wait 1 hour(time-unit) passes a VERY long time. Like wait "24 hours" = wait 2400 hours. WHO the F thought this was a good idea?! - Hold Key for every second Option, but sitting down "just works"

[@randallporter1404]

Just a short list. 😉😉🤣

[@fr0zen1isshadowbanned99]

@@randallporter1404 And I did something similar with Fallout 4. A bit more structured ^^ I had that sent to Bethesda and here we are with the same issues, just 8 years later :L

[@chessophiler]

How long did you play/suffer to detail all this. I wouldn't have the patience!!

[@fr0zen1isshadowbanned99]

​@@chessophiler I played around 30h without taking notes, but then I got really pissed by getting all those roadblocks thrown my way all the time and played another 30h to get as much on the List as I could :) Some of the points I gathered from other Reviews or Streams because I hated the Story from the beginning and mostly did my thing. Also, I used unlimited Inventory Cheat, as I always do in Bethesda Games, from the beginning. So I never had to deal with anything related to that myself :D All in all, I guess I had consumed 100h of StarField Content.

[@chessophiler]

Good job! Haven't even completed "renown" in D4 (Ughhh!)@@fr0zen1isshadowbanned99

[@fightingfortruth9806]

The best thing about Starfield is that it got me motivated to reinstall Morrowind again and 300 mods. Having way more fun now.

[@BaconsTV]

I was telling my bro the same thing a few days ago... and now I think ill do that tbh Morrowind > all

[@fightingfortruth9806]

After playing Starfield for 50 hours it is really amazing how much more real Morrowind feels by comparison. I feel like I'm a character in a living world, rather than a protagonist in a movie as Starfield makes me feel. Goes to show how game design has been dumbed down over the last 20 years.

[@jomorim]

Seems like you had the right idea.

[@BaconsTV]

@@fightingfortruth9806 dumbed down is for sure an understatement and I totally agree as to how more alive ES3 is to this crap and iv been at it for 150ish hours

[@maddudehahaha]

lmfao literally redownloading skyrim right now as i go to bed so i can play it tomorrow upon waking up

[@VchaosTheoryV]

I checked and apparently i have about 1400 hours in Skyrim. I finished Starfield and a few of factions, side quests etc in over 100 hours. Starfield feels done unfortunately. In Skyrim i can always go back and feel like roleplaying something a bit different.

[@andrejz8954]

Good for you. Now try Morrowind. The only really good BGS game (post Daggerfall I guess)

[@patwilson2546]

Walked away from Starfield mid game. I have played every Bethesda game since Daggerfall. First time I have ever done that with a Bethesda game. Playing Skyrim again, doing modded quest lines with a modded companion (Remiel is awesome). Still fun.

[@jefferyflood]

​@@andrejz8954lol bro you spent 500 hours in it and you say it's not a good game... Make sense...

[@idoomi6714]

@@andrejz8954 skyrim was good man. morrowding does feel kinda dated by now even skyrim does. but saying skyrim wasnt good is crazy talk

[@TechnoMinarchist]

Yes. It also lacks a lot of... What some call, Verisimilitude and Shandification. Basically, the world doesn't seem very probable. It comes off more like a game than a living world. The world feels like it exists for the player character, rather than the player being in a world that exits regardless of them.

[@ForestRaptor]

Yes! This is the so important nowadays!

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

They do okay with verisimilitude for the most part, but I agree 100% when it comes to factions. Fallout 4 actually did factions better and Starfield returns to the “you can join all the factions” paradigm that plagued Skyrim. Being able to join the Red Fleet while still being a member in good standing in the Vanguard is dumb, and being a Ranger in good standing while constantly breaking the law as a member of Ryojin seems weird. Heck, even being able to be a Ranger and a Vanguard at the same time seems odd. If you join one organization, you should not realistically be able to join another without alienating the first. I’ve heard that supposedly Todd doesn’t like characters being limited like this, but being able to be a member of competing organizations with diametrically opposed goals should eventually lead to negative consequences and this not happening does indeed feel very “gamey”. Definitely there could be more shandification in Starfield, though. You have to go all the way back to Oblivion and Fallout 3 for really good shandification in a Bethesda game (Skyrim did okay, though). Don’t get me wrong - I’m really enjoying Starfield, but it does have its own flaws and weirdness that just draws you out of the game sometimes.

[@evocativeaxis7401]

@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 And they had the perfect opprotunity to block you from joining factions as well because of NG+. For example Joining Vanguard means you cant join the FC but you just NG+ and try the FC on the next universe. Regardless it's still my fav rpg to come out in a long time since i dont like turn based shit.

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

@@evocativeaxis7401I didn’t think of that, but yeah - there’s absolutely no reason to not limit people from joining more than one organization when they can always join a different one in new game plus without even having to play a new character. Todd, WTF?!

[@ray32245mv]

THIS. It seems contrived, like so many games/movies/entertainment now. The formula for AAA studios is "Woke 4K" - make it pretty, make it gay, the MSM/SM algorithms will make it sell no matter what, and that's it. The "cities", "factions", and "gear", etc are all afterthoughts. And if you don't make it woke, your game will be derided for all time. Might still sell, but it might not, and in this economy it makes sense to take the conservative approach (how ironic), and get that woke in there. Superfluous environments, costume designs, and storylines to highlight the "non-white STRAWNG women" are given 90% of the man-hour budget, so gameplay, plausibility, and originality suffer immensely. No matter your politics, you have to admit this has gone WAY too far. Games, movies, basically all forms of entertainment, and most of everything else are heavily incentivized to put DEI at the forefront and little else, because the "Arbiters of Inclusivity and Social Justice" (MSM/SM/reddit mods) will promote them and cancel all critics if they do so, actual quality/entertainment value of said product notwithstanding, and the companies have figured this out. Look at Cyberpunk. A total disaster, absolute shit AI, extremely limited functionality of most styles of play that were so heavily hyped - BUT "strong non-white female BOSS" in the gameplay teaser, along with lots of pretty colors and several hints of gay, and that was all it took. The hype machine went into overdrive, critics were censored, and HUGE money was made. Starfield has basically copied that script and it was a massive success. This formula will only continue to spread as companies seek to reduce headcounts after FY '23 ends, and we will see greater and more overt reliance on "DEI in your face, straight white man!" trailers/previews to trigger The Holy Algorithm and boost sales on IP that is produced with "AI assistance", with lots of spinoffs and repackaged assets that are all but devoid of actual creativity. The rise of AI-powered DEI ( iDIE™ , probably, lol) is upon us, and soon we will see "platform de-platforming" begin to take hold, as The Left seeks out new ways to flex it's power. Think Windows/Sony refusing to allow Steam to run because it is "non-compliant with DEI initiatives" aka, it doesn't censor/ban people enough, or Intel/AMD refusing to run Windows because "it allows people who are likely white, based on AI powered demographic insights ( iDIE™), to use the N-word". It's coming.

[@SnowyFoxFox]

My biggest bugbear with this "next-gen PC game" is that mouse and keyboard controls feel like such an afterthought. Everything - player controls, menu controls, building controls - was designed for a controller first, and then mouse and keyboard were hacked on top of that, almost as if upon the assumption that a mouse and keyboard are exactly the same as a controller. This is why the keyboard walk speed is so pathetically slow - it's literally the slowest you can move with an analogue stick. This is why overhead camera controls in outpost building mode feels so unnatural with a mouse.

[@yosharian]

The graphics aren't good enough to justify the frame rate.

[@dy-169]

it does seem like they are expecting the mod community to make their game good 😋

[@lunatixsoyuz9595]

It's a BGS tradition at this point. From Oblivion on, rather than fix any of their problems, they made the modders do the work as they progressively made thwir games expect the moddera to do their work for them more and more. Remember how they said tjey couldn't incorporate DLSS into their game? A single modder did that on tje EA launch day.

[@hherpdderp]

We got exactly what we expected😂

[@Naruku2121]

I don't know mods can make something like Skyrim look actually beautiful. Though by no means am I using that as an excuse for Bethesda, it's just in my opinion that's probably as far as Starfield could get is a facelift, if the rest of the foundation of the game is really this bare bones, there's not much of a foundation in the first place for Modders to really build off on. Like if previous games had a some what shoddy foundation, in Starfield's case you'd have to ask "What Foundation?" @@user-dx6bv2pe1s

[@IRMentat]

Everything they “added” looks to have been a forced compromise decision that mandated the removal of something else. I really think that the engine is limiting them more than anything else at this point but it will take community mods and more importantly optimisation patches to see if that’s truly the case.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Sadly the old engine mean its easy to mod, but also mean its hard to impossible to get rid of the biggest problems.

[@TheBHAitken]

I wouldn't go so far as say they removed one thing for another, it looks like more and more that they just didn't bother to put it in.

[@idoomi6714]

U can update the engine change.... Hell you have evidence in skyrim how some mods can change how the game works. More fps better lods, Grass dencity, Body, physics these deves just dont improve anyting like i was expecting way more form starfield i dont think i even wana play it it looks kinda boring and it has less features and mechanics than skyrim preety sad. Dont forget bethesda is with microsoft now resources should not be an issue

[@harledjinn]

For a next gen game, it is definitely lacking. Especially when compared to Fallout, or even the much older Skyrim. If we really want to get into it, even Oblivion and Morrowind felt like you had more freedom to do as you like. Starfield just seems like they wanted to make something great but forgot a few things in the copy/paste process.

[@ForestRaptor]

The reason they don't do vehicles.... creation engine has BIG issues with terrain traversals that most mods i have seen have had issues figuring it out.

[@plo617]

They could've at least had mounts in the game. Especially in planets with normal gravity.

[@KaitouKaiju]

Then why make a game based around exploring planets

[@zarbonthedestroyer7232]

the reason they didn't do vehicles is because the generated tiles on planets are small. it would take a few minutes to reach the edge in a vehicle and people would quickly see how little there is to explore in a tile.

[@kukipett]

The problem is the speed not the terrain. When you are high level with good stuff you can run and jump pretty fast and then the game start stuttering because it can't load the terrain and entities in time. And it even happens with a high end PC with a nvme SSD, so they had to not let the player to move too fast.

[@fvallo]

​@@kukipettnot true, fallout 4 has a perfectly working car mod, this is laziness not an engine issue

[@tat381]

Just look at Phil Spencer Face tells you everything you need to know he damn well knows this game is trash by the smirk on his face but unfortunately needs to defend it because they owned Bethesda

[@edcrosbie4651]

Yeah the lack of power armor is pretty lame... but even on very hard im not sure how usefull it would be since bethesdas idea of dificulty consists of how many bullets the enemy can take.

[@lunatixsoyuz9595]

Starfield is an upgrade of F4, but a downgrade of Skyrim, yet requires the hardware of an average gaming PC from 10 years from now. I went back to Cyberpunk to prep for the expansion, and damn I forgot how bigger, prettier, and smoother of a game that is. People forgive Starfield's inadequacies because it's a BGS staple yet blast CP2077 fo having similar issues despite being vastly superior in almoat every other way, even at launch? Seriously?

[@chadclay1643]

Todd’s could sell snow to penguins

[@KaelRhain]

their insistence on using the same engine and having some of the same bugs as previous games, less content and all waiting for mods to fix it, is just low quality and disappointing.

[@lupuslycos88]

After playing BG3 and then going back to Cyberpunk, i can honestly say that the dialogue in Starfield is FUCKING TERIBLE. Actually to the point where my additionaly poor choices of responses to the dialog, makes me just want to walk away from some conversations entirely.

[@SaberKittyZero]

Starfield is a massive downgrade.. Of two games that were already mechanically downgrades.

[@MrQuaidReactor]

One thing I noticed quick is how now its hard as hell to navigate slight inclines, like there are times when I can't jump or jet pack when near a cliff. Now you would think they would fix this in their older games, and this game given you a jet pack would not be worried about but it is. Oh and shouldn't you be able to carry unlimited on a zero g planet.

[@kamikaze00007]

What did you expect? When the trailer from the game came out, people pointed out that the double-barrel shotgun was ejecting whole unused bullets during reload. What did Bethesda do to solve this issue? Instead of just replacing the meshes with proper spent shell casings, they made the bullets vanish inside the gun after firing and deleted the shell ejection portion of the reload animation altogether. They then renamed the ammunition for the double-barrel and called it "Caseless" ammunition. Also, if you look at the official trailers, you can see that the bullets fired from the automatic guns are randomly appearing out of nowhere "outside" or "around" the gun itself--not from the end of the gun's barrel. They also magically head straight to where your crosshair is pointed, even if your gun is not yet pointed at the target because of an ongoing movement animation. Here's an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ23hIOEqbmkibcsi=wqXlxHL4vruTkU07&t=221

[@cmdrgogen3203]

Just speedrun Starfield, marry Andreja, make a home, go to bed (in game), start Skyrim and pretend you had a weird dream.

[@hherpdderp]

Melee should have got more attention. It would make sense in space where you dont want to breach a hull or do want to damage somes suit.

[@duramirez]

They could just simply allow us to Tame some animals so we can Mount them 😕 It is just that easy, and perhaps we can park them in the ship? there's a FUCKING RAMP for a reason 😞

[@TheYamiks]

yeah missed opportunities with some cute animal designs.. while im not for pets, it's a n easy WIN for the gullible dog lovers.... i mean pet lowers. CATS FTW!!!

[@duramirez]

@@TheYamiks hey I like Cats as well 🐱 hehehe 😆

[@dealwolfstriked272]

Bethesda "suffers" from the KISS game development idea and took everything hard to develop and developed it out of their games. For example they were known for the radiant AI and that is gone. Your companions sleep and only them so deal with it. One more to add to the growing list, when you sprint into NPCs they don't react.

[@thegamingscotsman4376]

What about writing? Constant fast travel and the ability to fast travel from any point right across the galaxy? Games a pile of crap.

[@willardtk]

I really don't like the perk system.

[@hektikheck]

starfield literally gave me depression

[@alaskan_bigfoot9090]

It is kinda sad, I have enjoyed like 80 hours of starfield so far, but at a certain point you feel like if you have seen one planet you have probably seen them all. I actually saw my first random terrormorph outside of a quest while going into a temple yesterday, that was a big jump scare that made me actually pay attention to playing and it would be nice to see even more stuff like that. I spend a lot of time running around on planets and was starting to wonder if you actually see them randomly, imagine 5 of them showing up while you were at an outpost crafting.

[@jonathansoko1085]

By my third planet i realized what this was. All planets have a few points of interest and THE ENTIRE REST is NOTHING!

[@LocusPocus-y5j]

wow no man's sky will have more things popping up then copy/failfield lol

[@andrejz8954]

As not-a-smart-person I view myself as, it's funny how I can see through Todd's BS right away and also have a nack for these kinds of things. As soon as he said thousands of planets I knew where it was going. The game did not disappoint in any way hehe :)@@jonathansoko1085

[@namarie.2289]

one thing I love about starfield is how many great smaller channels I’ve found from videos shitting on it lol

[@PixelMurder]

Every Bethesda game is a feature downgrade of a Bethesda game. But in this case, they downgraded everything below water level, and the whole exploration aspect. You only can get more shallow if you remove the mountains.

[@honnorgaurd]

gives you less features than 10 year old games while slapping on a $70 price tag....

[@_Jay_Maker_]

I've played for 200 hours just to get a real feel for the game compared to the 1000's of hours I've had in its predecessors, and I think I've got enough bones in the game to confirm that yes, Starfield is downgraded Skyrim. By a significant margin. The build mechanics aren't just "Downgraded Fallout," they're _barely even there_ by comparison. Fallout's build mechanics were _insane._ Starfield has practically no bones to it. I can't exactly say that I "enjoyed" this game, given how much modding and console editing I had to do just to make the game enjoyable. I don't think I'll be playing anymore unless something significant changes. The imagination of Bethesda is dead. More than a few people are speculating that the "delay" the game went through was a semi-reboot that basically eviscerated whatever they'd been working on up until that point. Some guy on Reddit pointed out that the "Fuel" system is completely worthless, but that there are entire subsystems in the game (like environment hazards) that hint at the game being far more Survival-oriented, including the game having fuel usage as a requirement. That's exactly how this game feels. Half-done, underbaked, neutered. I almost wish it was as buggy as the old games. At least that would be entertaining.

[@JanosXyn]

I feel like what people often overlook with Starfield is that measuring it against previous titles for parity is still a failure. It's a game that is 12 years newer than Skyrim. 12 YEARS! It should far exceed Skyrim in every possible way. I feel it just doesn't and that's why the game felt flat and boring to me. It has marginal improvements in some areas and falls short in others, and overall just feels like a very comparable and average title....to a game that came out 12 years ago!

[@schnozbott]

Only if you don't consider unmodded Elder Scrolls and Fallout games to be overrated, which they are. (I didn't feel like sitting through 18 minutes to answer the simple question the title poses)

[@Glass4870]

Honestly, I feel that Starfield is a downgrade by 90% compared to Fallout 4. The dialogue system is literally a downgrade even compared to Skyrim. What Bethesda doesn't understand is that the issue with Fallout 4 wasn't having a voiced protagonist and mini animations; the problem was having a voiced protagonist with stupid dialogues, especially the sarcastic options, which were anything but sarcastic. The combat system is another further downgrade. We went from having Fallout 4 with the ability to damage body parts, destroy them, and have granular aiming, to just having a generic shooter. Even the weapons behave the same. Killing an enemy with a laser or energy weapon has the same effect as killing them with a ballistic weapon. In Fallout 4, depending on the type of weapon, enemies could be disintegrated, burned, turned into ash, or a green plasma mass. Exploration is another downgrade to the point where it literally doesn't exist in the game. I think the only improvement over Fallout 4 is the Disney world. Fallout 4 already has a Disney-like world in terms of theme and narrative, but Starfield literally takes that to another level. I'd say there's not a single terrible thing you can do in the game to make your character detestable or evil. Another downgrade is the player's freedom to decide whom to kill and whom not to. Immortal characters in the game have literally evolved to a point where they're ghosts. Most named characters can't even be harmed.

[@latviandragon2718]

"this next gen pc game" todd "all of this just works" howard

[@ωις-λ3π]

"We did [optimize it], it's running great . . . you may need to upgrade your PC for this game" he said with a straight face.

[@Jadriam]

I'm a madlad who actually liked hoarding and tearing apart everything in fallout nv/4, but I am an outlier and should not be counted. Still, I'm glad and sad I was right about the newest Todd project. Glad I didn't throw money at it; sad because people with more optimism did. It's not BroOoOOOken, some say, but it's still so... weak compared to older games of the same general style. I'm always a little concerned when a new game is missing features an older game BY THE SAME COMPANY had.

[@SkYsLiDeR9000]

Not seen anything yet that makes me feel like buying it. Maybe in a few years when it shows up in the bargain bin.

[@Christian-op1ss]

Unless I missed it in the video, how about being able to undress NPCs? If I take the fancy spacesuit of a dead pirate, I still see it on the NPC... like I created a cloned item. MY IMMERRRRSION!!!

[@bdleo300]

There are no character RPG attributes, just basic perks (and superpowers)

[@MPconTraje]

Bethesda fans be like: Don't worry, mods will do everything that the developers didn't, and for free

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

"Next gen pc game" indeed. It just works

[@AFpaleoCon]

Starfield is downgraded Skyrim which itself is downgraded Oblivion.

[@fightingfortruth9806]

Which is downgraded Morrowind.

[@makandalp]

@@fightingfortruth9806 which is downgraded

[@_CrescentMoon]

Which is downgraded Daggerfall​@@fightingfortruth9806

[@sim.frischh9781]

You CAN craft adhesive in FO4... at the cooking station, you create Corn Starch, which gives you 5 units of adhesive. And screws you get from many weapons you disassamble, especially the bolt action rifle, i think it´s called the "Hunting Rifle" in FO4... i LOATH bolt action, so i only ever sell or disassemble them. Give me lever action, pump action or semi-auto instead.

[@Rauchdose]

I can remember reading a review on Oblivion. In there a whole section of the review was about the day/night schedule of NPCs and what a new and immersing feature it is. And now your telling me is it too much for a "next gen pc game" --__-- Watching the downfall of the big developer studios of my childhood is just depressing...

[@crunchylettuce2928]

The 'no swimming' is mile wide inch deep in a literal sense when it comes to space games

[@samiel992]

Technically you are swimmingly but you can't dive

[@BlackWipeout]

For me YES !!! Skyrim (2008-2011 development time) VS Starfield (2015-2023 development time), for what ?

[@theitechlab]

I'm still enjoying the game 100 hours in, but it is missing a lot of things that I didn't think would be missing. Fallout 4 had a way more in-depth crafting and settlement system than Starfield, which is crazy. They got it basically perfect in Fallout 4, from bringing in random NPCs as settlers to setting up shops in your settlements to running trade caravan routes all over the Commonwealth. Starfield is literally just building an outpost to generate resources and then maybe setting up a supply line to fulfill a mission board contract. Another big thing is that the locations are soooo spread out that there is almost none of the feel of exploration like you got in Fallout/Elder Scrolls. I would get so sidetracked in the older games due to seeing something on the way to a quest location and end up spending 2 hours exploring before finally remembering the quest marker I was going towards.I just don't get that same feeling exploring Starfield. I basically land on a planet, go to 1-2 POIs, realize there is nothing but some settlers/spacers/pirates, fight for a minute, then leave and go do something else. The exploration had to be different in Starfield due to the setting/scale, which I get, but it just doesn't play as well in that area as Fallout/ES games. The POIs need to have a lot bigger pool to draw from as well, IMO. I don't know how many different ones are in the game, but I feel like I've seen the same few multiple times each. From a realism perspective, I could understand the in-game reason being that people settling planets and putting outposts down would have pre-fab modules and buildings that would be functional and quick to build, explaining the repetition of POIs. That could work, but the main issue is that every outpost has the SAME items in the same spots, same notes/computer logs everywhere, and the same dead bodies in the same spots. Mix it up a little, please. The game world also doesn't have the same "lived-in" feel as some of their other games. Don't get me wrong, it still feels plausible and it's a lot better than most open worlds, but it doesn't feel as believable as the Commonwealth, New Vegas, Skyrim, or Cyrodiil. Those felt like living, breathing worlds. Starfield does not, at least most of the time. The NPCs don't have schedules--stores are all open 24/7, NPCs never go to the tavern after their shift (like the NPCs in Whiterun all going to the Bannered Mare after work) or head home and eat/sleep. I can go to Jemison Mercantile any time and the same 2 NPCs will be running the store. I can go to GalBank in New Atlantis and Landry is still there at all hours of the day and night. Same thing on Neon and Akila City. They could've kept the stores/businesses open 24/7, but at least change out the NPCs and show the other NPC going home/out to eat or something. Totally not immersive when the same NPC is always at the store and never leaves. In Diamond City they had this--Diamond City Surplus had an NPC working the store during the day and then a Mr. Handy would keep that one shop open at night. PERFECT solution and one they should consider for Starfield in future updates (just don't use a Mr. Handy, make it a person lol). Those aren't my only concerns with the game, but they are some of my major ones. Again, I'm still enjoying the game, but it went from a 9/10 at launch to an 8/10 two months into the game. I'm hoping BGS can remedy these concerns with future updates and DLC, but I guess we'll see. BGS is still my favorite dev, and I am looking forward to what they bring for the future of the game.

[@dmaxcustom]

There is this mod called Slower than light, that allows you to fly in system. Mind you, the full modding tools arent out yet, so this is not hard system modification. So, the game engine does have the capacity to see a whole system as a whole, thus I think it can do the same with planets. But Bethesda decided that we should have loading screens everywhere. And as a former Elite player I do understand that is boring to move between planets, regardless of speed, but there are happy mediums. Weird design choices, probably schedule issues and a lot of try to appeal to everyone mentality that never works.

[@chrisb8918]

What really makes this game bad is that other games are so much further. It's like they saw NMS and Cyberpunk and wanted to copy their launches instead of where they are now

[@ConnorDuffy-Music]

Could you make a video where you tier list all Bethesda games?

[@TheYamiks]

mmmm..... i actually was thinking about it. will do later, but I do really want to!

[@arcadeportal32]

@@TheYamiks That sounds like an amazing idea! I am so torn if Starfield is even better then Fallout 4.. Which I wasn't even a massive fan of. 60Hrs roughly in Fallout 4, though I have done more in Starfield "not even finished the game yet". But about 10,500+Hrs in Just Skyrim, and prob a few thousand into Oblivion. I'm giving it a 70/100 until I beat the game and prob until a lot of flaws are fixed.

[@shabushabu5319]

Starfield has absolutely no soul to it

[@Fullmasta]

Your title is so click bait bro. Let's imagine for a second that all games were equal both in gameplay & story. The fact that out of the box starfield can run 4k & look like it, while 60-120 FPS & the others can't without mods would mean that it's innately just vastly superior. A game can have decent gameplay & story, but if it can't stand proper in the 4k world then it's not even on the same tier.

[@frugalsquirrel1725]

4:18 The thing people neglect to mention about the Starfield jail sentence is that you also get a reduction in experience points. This is the primary disincentive for getting arrested in Starfield.

[@brichards989]

I'm really not enjoying the game and I don't understand why people are enjoying themselves. I think it's one of the most overrated games I've ever seen. The planet boundaries, the limited space flight, the loading and cut scenes for SO many actions, and the inventory management. I kind of think this game actually sucks. The only thing bringing me back to this game will (possibly) be the mods.

[@remix71]

THANK YOU for pointing out the looting issue! They have 500 different types of succulents but can't add the actual inventory items?

[@randallporter1404]

1:06 Ahhh, splashing around in waters. Bethesda: No splashing

[@felixcosty]

Thanks for the video. I am going to miss Stats in the game Fallout New Vegas was funny to play a character with Intelligence of 1 the dialog with some NPCs was worth it, it made the game for me to have them in the game. When you are making your character and the Dr says the word Mother, and you say " humane shield " or something close, Then the Dr says something like you learn to much when you ask certain questions. New Vegas was is the best game ever made 4 ways to end the game, Your stats matter and can be funny, wearing the cloths of the enemy to get into there camps. The perk black widow and how it affects the dialog with Benny, is very funny. Then again New Vegas was a made by Obsidian, and was rushed, even rushed it was better then a lot of games today.

[@cylentstorm]

The way that you describe the game echoes even my early doubt and reluctance to jump in and get lost as I have with so many of BethSoft's earlier projects. *sigh* I will eventually play it (after building a new PC and the GOTY/Gold/Complete/Anniversary/Super Special Edition is available at a decent price,) but I'm in no rush.

[@shadowofnoc5760]

listened to you a lot back in my elite dangerous days. just saw you for the first time at the start of this video, and its nothing like how I pictured you lol

[@jameskeller3425]

one major downgrade for me was the stealth system, im max on all the stealth perks and still they know exactly where im at after i snipe someone at a distance

[@Kellett781]

Out post defenses…. Build the armilary for your artifact pieces and you get guardian attacks, be wanted and you get attacked by the faction that wants you. Build on a planet with creatures and they will come after you. I’m just glad it’s not constant enough to be annoying.

[@TheYamiks]

IDK.. i did several planet builds and none triggered these events.. im not sure, but it could be broken. Just my experience!

[@liquidgroove75]

In 180 hours it's happened to me once and I also have the wanted background. In half of that time I've had the Armillary at my main outpost and haven't been attacked once.@@TheYamiks

[@Odisseia-hh2td]

1:49 looting was such a downgrade! I was blown away in Oblivion by the fact that you could loot anything an NPC had after defeating them. Todd, please make looting great again!

[@Odisseia-hh2td]

5:00 and each one has a spacedude lurking just as you leave it!

[@Odisseia-hh2td]

10:27 I have the opposite take here. Everything in FO4 had use and you could easily mark the stuff you needed with the "search" tag. In Starfield almost nothing had use which is a bummer imo.

[@Odisseia-hh2td]

9:42 yeah, dual-wielding was awesome. So much so that PoE and Avowed implemented and never looked back on it.

[@akabacon8374]

Rolling around a planet in a Halo warthog or speeder would have added so much to the game ... BECAUSE ... THERE ... ARE ... RAIDERS ... ie. spacers and crimson fleet. They would be all over different planets ... not just space and interior interactions. The ability to allow settlers to join an outpost would have also added to the game, I mean there is that group of independent settlers who helps people a place to settle. On top of that, spacers and CF would raid your outposts, which I hear is supposed to happen but never has happened to me. In my opinion there are far to many issues with the game to out weight what it does well. Many of the side missions and the main mission are forgettable, the game feels soulless and empty. Yeah the game is "next gen" ... 15 years ago. It's like BGS said "we can do what every other space IP does but better and all in one game" but ended up doing it worse. The writing is such garbage ... SPOILER ... I mean in the opening of the game you go to a terrormorph xenowarfare facility and can kill a terrormorph not far from the facility. Yet when you play through the vanguard storyline, your character is ignorant to terrormorphs and xenowarfare ... WHEN YOU DID A MADATORY MISSION REGARDING THEM AND COULD HAVE KILLED ONE OR TWO BY THEN ... no dialog about coming across a xenowarfare facility or killing a terrormorph. The game is nothing more than one big missed opportunity. By the time BGS releases SF CK and modders do their thing, I will have long forgotten the game even exists.

[@patwilson2546]

NPCs with a schedule. No NPCs in Starfield have a schedule. What's her face is behind the counter of that store 24/7/365 (or however many hours/days there are on that planet).

[@Indyofthedead]

Don't worry, the vehicles and ammo crafting will come in the dlc... just like the last two f***ing games!

[@pigpuke]

"It Just Works" is a great song, can't wait for "It's A Next Gen PC Game"

[@Andras0]

A lot of the things mentioned and a good few other things I myself felt were making the game unfun were the reasons why I didn't enjoy it and ended up refunding it, which Steam somehow let me do at 15h. Obviously, I'm glad that others can and are enjoying the game, but for me, the little things kept piling on way too much for me to enjoy it properly. Add the fact that other space games have done better with fewer resources and I just fully didn't want to play it. At first, I was expecting the typical Bethesda game, which some will like and some will hate, personally in the middle, but in time it didn't even feel like a Bethesda game anymore, or at least it felt like a much worse one, which ruined my experience.

[@arcadeportal32]

I am going to finish the game, but unless some really cool mods come out and the "rumored Mod/DLC shop" isn't a Minecraft Bedrock/Robux paid hellscape.... At least on PC we should be able to craft officially without some store. I just don't know, I just think Starfields scope was a bit too ambitious, and they should have stuck to what they know best which is smaller handcrafted worlds and spaces. The procedurally generated worlds also mask the worlds handcrafted stuff on them, in the UI "which is really bad in Starfield" you can't tell them apart other than the names.

[@project.jericho]

I thought you were joking... I'm glad to see you weren't.

[@IRMentat]

Game needed another 6 months of actual development. Current version feels like a beta, or as FDev call it a minimal viable product.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

I mean... no, it doesn't feel like a beta. It's the most table Bethesda game ever. Which isn't saying much, but it is actually reasonably stable. The issue isn't stability it's quality of content.

[@Saint_Ixtab]

This game is already forgotten by most people, it's just not that terribly interesting of a game.

[@duramirez]

Todd: "It let us for the players" Excuse me WHAT? 🤔

[@Kellett781]

Great thing about starfield is that it’s practically day 1 of its life cycle and instead of locking away their coding for only coding freaks to delve into, Bathesda has enlisted an army of freelance coders to better the game for them where they will then cherry pick the best bits to add to the game as they go. Same can not be said for the “other” space games. For all its flaws, SF is a better and will be even greater game.

[@SaberKittyZero]

Sorry I'm still waiting on my 200th loading screen in the last half an hour. What was that about being better?

[@natalijaprosic3788]

The game for me is "enjoyable" but it does miss a lot of mechanics that would just make the whole experiences a lot more fun rather than just enjoyable. Its like a cooked chicken with no spices on it, its edible but do you realy want to eat something blad.

[@Ahibasabala]

Watching Yamiks' comparisons here, does anyone think Skyrim actually looks better? Maybe i need my eyes tested but it looks better to me lol

[@TheYamiks]

more compact space make for quality place. you can have these massive cities , but without enough things crammed into them, they end up feeling emptier than smaller areas!

[@secretchefcollective444]

Lol at getting nothing but Starfield ads during this vid, always starting with the 'Perfect', 10/10...

[@ericharbour9254]

Its the same problem i have with Fallout 4. If i wanted a survival crafting game id just play Ark or something. This strange marriage of Bethesda rpg and Crafting game just creates a lesser version of both.

[@Banzai431]

It feels... I dunno. Lazy may not be the best word. They've definitely relied more on procedural generation to do a lot of work for them, which I think limits them significantly.

[@arcadeportal32]

I think they should of made a bunch of smaller handcrafted worlds vs 100s of empty ones.... but yes almost every Bethesda game almost feels slightly more and more casual and dumbed down in systems which is upsetting, and worrying about ES6 being rushed. There is a lot of things I like, but a lot of simple things like lack of evil sided companions, too many UI issues to count that even mods haven't fixed for me yet, from crappy maps to "What is a Grendel?" Oh it's a gun, no vehicles/ridable animals, not many diverse weapons, no duel welding guns or swords? Just Why?, Dual Welding is in all the previous games "mods make it even better", I like the backpack shows your SMG you have on you, but pistols just disappear after you sheath them. Swiming is worse then the previous games since you can't dive or really even swim, The backpack just disappears if you jump without a spacesuit on.... I am having fun, but I don't think it is even better then Skyrim or maybe even Fallout 4 which I only beat maybe 5 times & never 100%, I have over 10K hours into Skyrim alone, not to mention Oblivion. This game to me really had to live up to at least modded Fallout or Skyrim, which I almost say it doesn't & I don't know if it will. The rumors of a creation club store coming back as a Minecraft Bedrock like store worries the crap out of me too, hardcore worried. Like important mods like bug patches being put behide a paywall kinda bad. Possibly free community destroying stuff. I am so torn on this game.

[@Banzai431]

@@arcadeportal32 I agree... Somewhat. I mean you can still keep the procedurally generated worlds, but throw in some bespoke handcrafted ones in to the mix in definite areas where you want some impact. They can definitely do that, but it feels to me like they ran out of time. I'm concerned as well that ES6 is going to be rushed, because of this. Starfield is definitely lacking polish, like you mentioned with many things. I'm only guessing here, but I think they might have gotten trapped by their decision to widely embrace the procedural generation and it led to a chain reaction of decisions that led to what we got.

[@arcadeportal32]

@Banzai431 I am sure many of my issues will be fixed by modders since this is an open Bethesda game, but just a lot of things that are just missing that all their games before had. Even finding ridable aliens mounts or even fish life 🐟 is not here at least at launch.

[@natas12rm]

Starfield is a downgrade? Wow, it's almost like games made for game pass arent as good as games made for retail... Who could've seen this coming?...

[@D13N4S7Y]

"Well, No Mans Sky was released as an unfinished game, why cant we?" - Todd, probably

[@DJMavis]

When Skyrim was coming out I bought PC upgrades so I knew it would play nicely. Starfield is "free" with my game pass sub, and I haven't even installed it yet. I think I'll do at least one more playthrough of BG3 before I do. Granted I am an RPG fan, so their games to some degree have been going downhill since Morrowind in that sense. But I was still hyped for a new release as recently as Fallout 4. But the games are just, well, fine. I remember that NPC routines used to be a selling point of theirs. And now it's gone. Weird. 24 hour shops could well be a thing in the future, but humans need sleep. It could be an automated shop out of hours and change the way things work.

[@slicedtopieces]

Now that I think about it, Fallout New Vegas had that Gun Runner shop 'manned' by that protectron robot.

[@xXCroWolfXx]

This isn't the next gen even in 2015

[@Revan41411]

Around 11 minute in he says you can’t craft glue in fallout 4 just want to say you can, in the chemistry bench I think all you need is water and some veggie if I remember right

[@Battleneter]

I don't know what "next gen" means, that's a over used console term.

[@kaollachan]

for your question i haven t played starfield but from what i saw, stealh take down / ranged attak, mostly a skyrim thing ( but fallout4 a bit), sneaking and be able to assasinate from behind or one shot with arrow / sniper gun, also is there any consequence in the game?

[@edcrosbie4651]

As far as i can tell after 180 hrs is there is no consequence. Aside from the stern looks of your companions... all the dialogue choices at the end of the coversation you end up at the exact same place. Oh and you can get a bounty you can pay off before you enter the system you are wanted in

[@kaollachan]

@@edcrosbie4651 maybe some different ending depening on the faction you help like in fallout4?

[@UkDave3856]

Watching a video justly holding the feet of the Starfield devs to the fire, only for that video to be followed by a KZbin ad for Starfield displaying its “This game perfect” review citation 😂

[@VaultBoy69]

“This game did not need multiplayer” and here is my automatic like 👍

[@BlueSideUp]

Outposts get attacked by animals, defenses help taking the XP away from you killing them yourself, isn't that nice?

[@rubyismycatman7335]

16 times the woke freaks

[@wr3ck3r63]

Making a junk list would be nice and also whilst in a major city being able to buy from vendors and have it sent straight to ships cargo

[@kangaroo4024]

My brother and I have been playing. He has had outposts come under attack. defenses seem to work very effectively at least

[@TheIgnoramus]

“Scale lock” is a real thing with this game for sure

[@LoliFoxQueen]

bethesda haven't been able to make a proper game in YEARS. GoTY status can be BOUGHT so that's NOT a valid argument "Oh but it's way more resource intensive" only because it was optimisation is shit.

[@alekseybabulin4884]

They did made water enemy for Neon, it is sitting inside the city walls..

[@umbratherios5614]

Honestly, Starfield feels lazy, rushed, empty and boring. its massively overrated and overhyped. there's no substance, and the only reason you'd get over 40 hours of playtime is because 70 percent of the game is browsing menus, loading screens and running in a straight line just trying to get somewhere. fallout 4 felt lazy compared to skyrim, but this game feels lazy even compared to fallout 4. it has a coat of "ooohh, lookie at me, im new and shiny, fanboys come geeettt mmeeee....!" and thats about it. the game is artificially padded out with time-wasters that only add tedium, just so it can "seem" like there is "content" while its just actively and constantly "stalling" you.

[@Jaybearno]

The most frustrating thing about comparing it to Fallout 4 (one of my favs) is that there are so many minor callbacks/similarities that suggest there should be some consistency- From the main character’s gait, the camera angle when approaching a workbench, to the musical score when some event happens.

[@nothanks3236]

Here's how I know if I'll like a game or not: if my brother likes it, it's most likely shit. My brother loves Starfield.

[@しょうちゃん-m7c]

Mods should be there to make a great game even better. Garbage doesn't need mods.