Is The CTX 3030 Still The Best Metal Detector In 2021?: Metal Detecting NYC

The CTX 3030 is a very sophisticated treasure machine. It gives you all sorts of data to inference from. It was originally released in 2014 and had cutting edge tools at the time. Since 2014, Minelab has released the Equinox 600 and 800 metal detectors which blend incredible depth with highly sophisticated target separation. I have thousands of hours of experience with the Equinox. How does the CTX 3030 compare with what I consider to be the best detector on the market right now; the Minelab Equinox. There is still a huge price difference between the two machines. The CTX 3030 is still sold in 2021 new for more than 2000 dollars while a Minelab Equinox can be secured for less than 1000 dollars.
Tools I Use & Important Links
Merch Store: www.iratemetaldetectors.com/shop
Minelab E-Trac: amzn.to/3mZUpcD
CKG Sand Scoop (Amazon): amzn.to/2X4bxDm
CKG Sand Scoop (KellyCo): shrsl.com/2avs6
Minelab Equinox 600: shrsl.com/2araf
I recommend TubeBuddy: www.tubebuddy.com/MetalDetect...
Chapters:
0:00 Use My Code NYC To WATCH WHAT HAPPENS! At KellyCo
0:21 This Is Not A Tutorial
0:54 You Will See My Honest First Impression Of CTX
2:00 The Struggle- Getting The Coil On
6:08 How To Attach The CTX Coil
6:44 First Impression Of Weight Of CTX 3030
7:44 The CTX & The E-Trac Are Sibling Machines With Similarities
8:10 The CTX Has 2 Target ID Numbers
9:24 Veteran CTX Users Swing In All Metal Mode
9:34 The Sophisticated Notch System Of The CTX
10:25 The Map Screen Of The CTX
10:35 Tracking Your Steps & Swings
11:03 The Metal Detector & Minesweeper Analogy
11:58 Other Factors In Finding Objects Ground Moisture, EMI, Grass Height
12:38 The Sophisticated Detect Screen
14:15 The E-Trac Breakthrough- Manual Sensitivity & Notch
14:54 What Is Volume Gain?
16:11 Ground Balancing
16:31 The Depth Display
16:42 The Colors Of The Targets
17:16 Where Is The Pinpoint Button?
17:57 First Find With The CTX 3030
19:40 The CTX Silver Mode
20:36 Where Is Sensitivity?
20:51 Hold Down Sensitivity Button To Switch To Manual Sensitivity
21:29 Thoughts On Interface
24:14 Merrill's Gold Standard The Minelab Equinox
25:12 Philip The Nox Thought's On E-Trac
25:55 Adjusting The Notch
27:20 On Being Successful With The E-Trac
28:43 Depth & Separation
34:11 Adjusting Patterns
35:35 Day 2 Metal Detecting With CTX 3030
36:40 Nothing Is Notched Out
37:31 The Search For A Deep Signal
37:51 Target Separation On The CTX 3030
41:47 On The Wheat (Wheat Penny)
42:05 Finally A Deep Signal
43:08 Something From A Ford
45:13 Round Table Discussion On CTX 3030
Do you want to send me something? I will try to have a mail show once per month.
Mail me at:
P.O. Box 351
132 W Merrick Rd
Freeport, NY 11520
You can subscribe to my channel here: bit.ly/2HQCRPY
Hi, my name is Merrill Kazanjian. New York City is an amazing place to go metal detecting. We have lots of parks, colonial history and great beaches for beach detecting. I have gone to all five boroughs of New York City To Metal Detect and beyond. I also currently own 16 metal detectors. I want to have the best and I want to help you choose the best as well. Below I will showcase some of the playlists on this channel:
By Metal Detector:
Minelab Equinox Playlist: bit.ly/3bxUel2
White's Beach Hunter 300 Playlist: bit.ly/3l0TvMp
Nokta Makro Anfibio Multi Playlist: bit.ly/3kYX85H
Minelab Vanquish 540: bit.ly/3qvec4j
Garrett Ace Apex: bit.ly/30uQDhn
Nokta Makro Simplex: bit.ly/3eo9Idf
Minelab E-Trac: bit.ly/3vkbkLo
XP Deus: bit.ly/3bxndWl
Garrett AT Pro: bit.ly/3rzfVqy
Minelab Safari: bit.ly/3l0Wt3v
Garrett Ace 300: bit.ly/3ci5WiV
Minelab Soveriegn: (Coming Soon)
I have a playlist of metal detecting videos to teach metal detecting. The videos in the playlist below are specifically made to teach the skills and mindset to becoming a great metal detectorist.
Metal Detecting Tips & Tricks: bit.ly/3cefATT
All Of My Metal Detecting Treasure Hunting Videos: bit.ly/2N0YpfR
All Of My Beach Metal Detecting Videos: bit.ly/3v7jTJf
Playlist By New York City Borough:
Manhattan: bit.ly/3qu5WS5
Brooklyn: bit.ly/3v45hKN
The Bronx: bit.ly/3cg9Xo3
Queens: bit.ly/3l4aA8u
Staten Island: bit.ly/2POP6kl
Cleaning Metal Detecting/Mudlarking Finds:
Can We Clean It: bit.ly/3rKf3Qh
Other Playlists:
Metal Detecting Rap Videos: bit.ly/3epb1sz
Gold Mining: bit.ly/3t9z1UN
Magnet Fishing: bit.ly/38q1DRy
Metal Detector Comparisons: bit.ly/3t75UBA
Metal Detecting Live Streams: bit.ly/3kZ5E4F

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

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[@jimbop101]

Looking forward to the sequel! Your humility and humor make a great combination for the viewer. Keep it up. and Thanks .

[@tz4258]

I like the fact that in a trashy park I won't dig up bottle caps , because of the caps position in the graph, the 800 or 600 you will get them . I have all three. I just love the target ID and Target trace.

[@Vince1648]

The Rutus alter 71 paired with the concentric coil recognizes beer and bottle caps as well. But, we better dig them all in order not to miss a thing.

[@carolalexander1429]

Kelly did well loaning that equipment to you to try and I'm glad you have Phil for back up. Learning complexities is difficult (for me, sewing especially) and I would go cross eyed trying to read all that. So, you are patient, a great teacher, and you're not going to give up easily. Great qualities for a hands on trainer, imo.

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

Thank you Carol!

[@TheWildwoodPicker]

My CTX-3030 is down in Florida at my buddies house... you're making me want it back up here with me in NJ now, LOL!

[@bassingwithawesomejohnson3202]

Awesome video sir!! Much better than a recent review I seen one of the talking heads try to do with a snooty attitude. I love your methods of communication and your "teachable moments " lessons. Keep swinging and stay safe bro.

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

Thank you Jay

[@irokradio]

I have been using the CTX since 2012 and I also purchased a Nox 800. The CTX may be heavier but it does not feel that way, it is very well weighted. I can swing it all day and I'm 63. After using both, the CTX is a Cadillac, the Nox a Honda CRV. Both excellent build quality, CTX just feels better quality etc, I guess the price difference. Finds, love Target Trace on the CTX.

[@johnrapp8816]

well my Nox 800 leaked, so not so sure about quality build. The shaft also wobbled a little bit.

[@mrbranson73]

Toggling between patterns is super easy when you set up the user button for it. Actually gives you 4 different patterns to toggle between quickly because each pattern has two discrim patterns

[@nickrw28]

The CTX and or the ETRAC are the next machines that will be upgraded with newer models I’ve used them all and own them all but my go to machine in trashy parks is the CTX with my NOX as a back up

[@bsteen5691]

I thought that too r years ago but I couldn't wait any longer to have the best. So I'll just buy another when they upgrade

[@jayedrukas2096]

great review as always. this will be a superior detector when mastered.

[@woody6856]

You are hilarious, I’m 4 minutes in, and I have smiled a few times already!

[@williestembridge5607]

If its good Merrill I'm on board with your comments on the Ctx 3030.. We need a little more feed back from you on test especially in prospect park . Targets that has been missed depth and separation .. Enjoy the machine buddy!! 👍

[@HoosierGuy]

Good video! Better watch rolling through those stop signs!

[@mrbranson73]

Just a note on minelab customer service. Bought my ctx about 3 years ago and it went on the fritz. Mailed it off and minelab replaced the control box, the lcd screen and the housing. Basically new detector. Shipped back in 4 days.......no charge. Amazing

[@creekgeek]

Good video. Yea you definitely have to get more time in with it. It reminds me of my Explorer 2. With that machine I always run it in manual sensitivity and keep it just below the chatter and thats it. Always remember too, these machines you have to go slow and low. Ive found lots of deep coins that way. Ive just recently started playing with the custom patterns. Keep at it, hope my experience helps.

[@RufusTheRuthless84]

Assuming you are pressing the GB and NC by accident You can cancel them by pressing the pin point, and different coils bring different depths, change the pin point to sizing turn recovery fast off and tick recovery deep, you can build your own discrimination patterns either on a computer or through the machine itself, tadpole and ghost are good patterns, I use combined tones with ground coin target separation

[@Hamlocks]

This is going to be good, if you really give this thing the proper effort to learn it. You will see the power of it

[@KenLord]

that "cup" at 43:20 ... is definitely a 1912 to 1916 Ford Model T hubcap (or a reproduction of one). Cool!

[@deepwaterescue4u]

That last thing you found at 43.39 if you noticed it was also threaded on the inside..

[@tz4258]

Oh forgot to say, I will never get rid the CTX. The versatility is great. Just wished coiltek made a round 15 inch coil for it. 🤨

[@Po1itica11yNcorrect]

I consistently make more finds with my CTX vs my Nox 800. Don't get me wrong. It's a pleasure to swing. Especially the weight relief compared to my CTX. At the end of the day though, it all comes down to finds, and for ME the CTX outperforms the Nox. Won't part with either one though. Just as I won't part with my Excal 2 -- another beast of a metal detector from the folks at Minelab.

[@philbinaso1243]

It’s a learning curve bud, you can’t expect to knock it out of the park day 1.

[@daddski1]

lol "i wanna do a good job...." as he runs a stop sign hehe

[@lookin4zinc]

If you’re gonna run all metal, make the tone id for iron signals a grunt

[@jamkpa]

I'll stick with the 800.

[@bsteen5691]

I have both and you can't go wrong with a knox I think the ctx is better but not 1500.00 dollars Superior

[@crazycressy7986]

@@bsteen5691 who care about the price ,it found me a Roman hoard that paid out £110k

[@walksuponwater7261]

Merrill is being very very quiet today,,,,,,, I think he is busy reading and absorbing the encyclopedia of a manual!!! Good Luck Merrill!

[@gnikmi]

Professor you ate a stop sign !

[@walksuponwater7261]

Metal Detecting is a lot like climbing a ladder , step one..a Bounty Hunter, step two a Garret, then a 800 Nox ...then a CTX 3030! Sorry I can't afford that last step! You do it Merrill and show us the view from up there! All the best Harry

[@detectingislife8129]

Don’t feel bad for not affording the last step cause not only will the machine cost you $2000 the shoulder surgery after swinging that boat for a year will cost a hell of a lot more.

[@wizardsofwisconsin7400]

Since 2012 Merrill. I wish I lived closer buddy, I could help you out.😀 It really is INCREDIBLE in the world of coin hunting, I’m glad you’re honest that you have no clue right now. IF you have questions about operation, settings, WHY to do something, WHY you want to set this that way or not....ASK.

[@williamkennedy8768]

From time to time use a etrac it’s a lot to learn but do like two groups of numbers makes it interesting

[@southwalesdetectorist3870]

Ctx3030 deepest settings, manual sensitivity 25÷, noise cancel 1, dont ground balance, never use auto or you won't get over 6 inches, regards the South Wales Detectorist

[@rightpassage]

I'm in Alaska. How would you rate the comparisons between the 800, 3030, and 4500? Or do you prefer something else in the field of versatile detectors? Manly for gold and other stuff. I would like to start with a good one and master it. I like this because of the info it SHOWS you!! I will have the coil in water.

[@southwalesdetectorist3870]

@@rightpassage I would watch the series Ausi Gold Hunters and check out the detectors they use for gold, I think the 4500 is the deepest but you don't have the discrimination choices the CTX has,

[@scottzugelder4091]

Looking at getting one of these, interested in the GPS features, you haven't commented much on these capabilities...

[@TheWildwoodPicker]

I've always had an issue with going deep with the CTX-3030... I never really know if I'm getting max depth out of that machine. I always feel like something isn't right with getting that machine to go deep.

[@phillipemery5199]

Jeff is one smart fella.

[@rightpassage]

People are making videos about finding coins. I would like to know how good it detects GOLD as well for that price? Which mode to select? I live in Alaska. Any recommendations anyone?

[@silverwrench9846]

Good luck with that thing!!!! I would have no shot of figuring that out!!!😜😂😜😂

[@frankvondey8554]

The CTX is the best only it's not for people that don't want to learn something.

[@bsteen5691]

I have a ctx and and an equinox I give the edge to the knox for deep indians and weight but the ctx is worth the extra weight and if I find more silver with the ctx I can live with a few less indians the ctx 3030 is a superior superior machine hands down

[@ryanfowler3175]

I always outhunt my friend that has a CTX 3030 with my V3i.

[@TheWildwoodPicker]

Hahaha.. Fun to watch, LOL... I've been using the CTX-3030 since 2015. Yes it is heavy... That's why I use the Minelab Pro-Swing 45 Harness, that's highly recommended when swinging the CTX-3030 or you're going to wear yourself out big time. Anytime you want to talk more about the CTX-3030 just send me an email.

[@jerebigler7520]

Thanks for the info right up front. The Ford part might be an axle cap (sorta like a hubcap) used to protect the bearings from grit.

[@sourcreamking]

Hehe, this was a fun watch! You fumbling around in the menus was a blast ;) I think I read the Nox800 manual 3 or 4 times before I even ordered it. Guess we're different in that aspect! :p I'm nerdier than you Merrill! If you dress up as Gary Drayton and sneak on to Oak Island, I'm sure you could meet your silver goals for a few decades ;)

[@tomburdett6639]

That was a Ford Model T hubcap. I found one b4.

[@RandyECombs]

Thank you for posting this video. No way in hell do I want the CTX 3030, it is way too much for my feeble brain to wrap around

[@IndianaTones]

We can’t skip the manual on this one

[@Hamlocks]

No doubt, it’s not hard to figure out though, took me about a month to be familiar with every adjustment, then it is a matter of figuring out what to adjust 😁

[@silverwrench9846]

U better read it a FEW times!!!! Lol😂😜

[@scottwhitaker442]

Still love the 800 Merr

[@Ful-OGold]

If never used a ctx but I have the nox and I would think the nox has newer tech in it.

[@hoopztube]

This is going to be a huge learning curve, as Merrill never reads the manual, and the CTX is no easy machine.

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

Huge learning curve yes but I’m pulling from the manual in this video so I am definitely reading it. I’m very tuned into the way that I learn after struggling with reading for most of my life. Some people can absorb books and immediately apply the knowledge. I can’t. I need to tour things first and then hit the books. The learning curve also speeds up when you get the right people involved. Experts who has use the machine and can communicate what they know. A process is only sustainable if it is efficient.

[@hoopztube]

@@MetalDetectingNYC Best thing to do is sit down with the manual printed out, and the detector in the yard, start at page one and read, and go through and practice each setting by reading what to do then do it on the detector. And do it twice, and play around. The go to the next area in the manual.

[@theboxingchanneldrillswith3541]

The CTX3030 is king especially if you know what you are doing with it. If you don't or can't afford the CTX stick with the equinox. That a good little machine for the price. Please don't say its better though because its not I have had both. And the CTX has held its cost for a reason people know what its capable of. Happy Hunting people

[@burriedhistory]

Trying to push the detector's performance to high levels on the first day, in a trashy field, and without even reading the manual, definitely isn't the right way to learn something. You will get annoyed. Study the manual, go to a clean field, start with lower sensitivity and higher discrimination settings... do that many times. That's the way. 👍

[@TheWildwoodPicker]

11.43- 12.43 usually a dime every time!

[@dawnthemetaldetective3083]

I wish you luck. I’m still learning the 800, but to be fair I want to dig the trash.

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Wow this is the best indepth review of the ctx ever ! Got me subbed . I 've got an eqyinox 800 , but hunted the cr#p out of it (3000h) mostly salto wet beach . Found so much with it , juwelery its almost a scandal..lol But i think equinox is one of the worst mechanicaly detector ever .. And mine , had waterdamage twice ! Broken the armcuff...twice the coilsupport bracket , shaft..., and now the on/off button is broken on the inside of the unit 🤪. -So i am a bit scepticus to buy me an CTX in 2021. But i am so gold addict, that i have to buy a other excellent beach machine or i go bonkus...lol

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

Thank you!

[@petekbleeepingaustralia8720]

Merrill awesome always 👍 set it to 50 tones 👍 🍺And clean ya trunk out 😅🤣also they bringing out a new ctx3030

[@davidfrazier1186]

Directions...We don't need no stinking Directions :)

[@bennooudewesselink4054]

merel you are fantastic!!! thank you for your research!!!

[@Biofilmz]

"really mastered the e-trac" - it hurts!

[@kevinsmith6176]

So how did you unlock the depth

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

I’m very early in the process with this detector. The depth came when I opened up what was notched out and took it off auto sensitivity

[@robertsalmi3594]

Do you ever do any door knocking? I think it would be cool!

[@Mr.Technical77]

Just imagine all that could be unlocked! Cheesecake, Taco Bell, even Olive Garden and beyond

[@JMetalDetecting]

Nice CTX 3030 merril ! Thats what Gary drayton users on the curse of oak island 🏝🪙🏴‍☠️

[@Faith-Ministries]

Nice machine but on oak island honestly Gary never finds nothing lol

[@KenLord]

Go in the groove and turn it twist it Go in the groove and turn it twist it ... not sure if that's the start of a new Merrill rap song or dirty instructions for a great saturday night.

[@MinelabCTXKing]

Sensitivity: Auto plus 3

[@adventureswithjeff6937]

Omg the ctx 3030.

[@sirkyoj1]

Joey from friends is handy.

[@Po1itica11yNcorrect]

The CTX is still king of the hobby detecting world, but others are catching up. So much so that it's getting harder and harder to justify the $2,499 price tag of a CTX when there are some really, REALLY good detectors out there now for half the price and that perform almost as well, if not as well, as the CTX.

[@janusstark4259]

6" coil Auto +3 2 tones That's all folks 🐰

[@everett8610]

Red octagon?

[@briansheren7397]

Reminds me of v3i when I first got playing with controls all day instead of hunting equinox 800 easy-going machine

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

Nice machine but it’s expensive, heavy and broad banded so prone to a little more emi. It also looses a little depth in multi freq mode. Multi freq machines do better on some jobs and not as good as a single freq on others.

[@debbiesmith4880]

What is it with you and stop signs....lol...I don’t want to see you get a ticket or worse have someone slam into you...we need you in one piece.

[@scram825]

I brought from Kellyco

[@TheWildwoodPicker]

11.45 - 12.45 or 11.46 - 12.46 ---> It's A Quarter! Usually.

[@charliealleman4966]

FYI it was a Ford Model T hubcap.

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

That is incredible!!!!

[@danielsmith3961]

I'm certain you are more experienced than I sir. With all due respect, your passes should not zig zag, they should more overlap. I know also know you're just testing the machine.

[@altin6920]

Merci sous titre français 👍 je vais l'acheter d'occasion 880 euro j'espère serait pas dessus merci pour la vidéo j'attends video l'expérience de ton collègue expert👍

[@badkarma2202]

U ran a stop sign……your definitely from NY! Lol

[@azmetaldetector5918]

43:04. Ford hubcap

[@williamkennedy8768]

At least their is a good counter weight then a battery of a etrac

[@MinelabCTXKing]

Silver: 09:46 or 13:46 may be also 12:46

[@detectingislife8129]

No offense but you got to work on those plugs. Leaving loads of dirt around your holes and not taking time to really repair plugs is bad for this hobby. Other than that love your videos. But dig a 3 sided plug leave one side attached makes life so much easier.

[@thedigger1865]

Agree wholeheartedly. Also, carrying a long handled shovel around in public parks is also putting our hobby at risk of being banned in public areas. It's the perception, even though it may be possible to do less damage using it.

[@detectingislife8129]

@@thedigger1865 yea I agree it does look bad. But I just can’t dig with a hand digger all day especially with psoriatic arthritis. And I can do such a better plug with a large shovel. But I totally get what your saying people see a big shovel and assume big damage.

[@Po1itica11yNcorrect]

@@thedigger1865 I agree. However, hand diggers aren't feasible in my area due to the hardness of the soil. Clay and 100° days don't mix, yet that's what we deal with down here.

[@larrygriffith2051]

For the price I say it should be the old time CTX users still say it is but the younger people are saying the 800 is better let's hear what you think

[@dennissemkow1299]

If I bought this in 2014 I'd still be trying to learn it and be equally frustrated....I'm sure the 3030 is made for only a few detectorists with technological memory and a quick learning curve....600 and 800 are less expensive and would be a better choice for any detectorist.....

[@badkarma2202]

How many people does it take to assemble a CTX3030? You guys look real bad and it’s so easy to assemble. Wow!

[@frankbean7823]

You're cool.

[@user-yh8tk4ol8d]

СТХ можно еще разогнать по глубине новыми обновлениями,но к сожалению Минелаб их делал последний раз,когда еще были живы динозавры!)

[@user-sx7lt1el5u]

Можно и е трак обновить, да не выгодно..

[@user-yh8tk4ol8d]

Согласен,для меня Минелаб умер после 3030,даже если и выйдет новая клюшка ему на замену,то стоить будет за 200 тыр,дороговато.То что сейчас выпускают Ванквиши и Эквиноксы это не приборы.

[@RickyD1968]

Minelab CTX 3030 Metal Detector 17" Smart Coil, 11" DD Smart Coil for $2900 it better dig the target for me !!!!

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

There are better options in my opinion. www.iratemetaldetectors.com/

[@yomismo5711]

@@MetalDetectingNYC is it possible to compare the Legend with the ctx? 😱

[@larrygriffith2051]

Merrell go out the digging Duo the father and daughter team they hunt with jackpot a lot he uses CTX

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

I have been in contact with him

[@larrygriffith2051]

Good😁

[@u2ooberboober]

With its cost it better be good until 2050!

[@pepemomax]

20:13 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lorrainemiale467]

Way to complicated🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@Hamlocks]

RTFM😂😂😂

[@roymanewell4958]

You can't learn it by giving it to someone else.i live in oz the soil here is red with iron it can pick dime size coins up at 10inches easy just use coin program sens at 27 don't go 50 tones it will confuse you go 4 tones you only got 90%silver coins they will I'd 41 and above 50%coins are harder as they I'd near pulltabs most accurate I'd of any machine all ways have high trash on its recovery speed is not as fast as the nox

[@SBmuromets]

I wish I didn't see this video. Cause anything the author says after this video about 3030 will be not reliable.

[@stevewertz5910]

Quit watching after 5 minutes. Painful to watch

[@MetalDetectingNYC]

There’s meds for that!

[@tsaunders78]

No user error. Over hyped, overrated, and old technology. Clunky and slow to boot..

[@tsaunders78]

@Loco Raindrops 1000's. I owned 2.

[@tsaunders78]

@Loco Raindrops "Doth protest too much?"

[@Mr.Technical77]

No, you haven’t owned 2. If you have you didn’t use them or you didn’t know how to use them or you wouldn’t be saying what you’re saying. These are common tropes from those who don’t understand what the CTX-3030 was built for and just regurgitate forum misnomers to make themselves feel better. The chipsets for maximum performance in any category have existed for decades. It’s now about how these machines are coded with complex processing algorithms. The CTX is coded to provide the most information possible on any one target. It has not been surpassed in that ability. The equinox was built for those who want to hack about wildly among the trash. Machines that can separate are nothing new and are also old technology.

[@tsaunders78]

@@Mr.Technical77 Lol. "Tropes!!? Sorry your feelings are hurt for your overpriced machine. Actually, you are right! I technically owned 3. My wife owned the other. CTX; The outdated clunky "law of diminishing returns" detector! I know what I saw first hand testing them in my test garden so I have no desire to debate. It was soundly beaten by an Equinox and a Deus. Check out Calabash's channel to see with your own eyes! kzbin.info/door/7k3CHcQZs5Z1VfKkqYRmmA Hope you feel better!

[@Faith-Ministries]

@@Mr.Technical77 i owned 2 3030’s from 2014-2020 sold em both for the nox 800 whether you like it or not the 800 is better, you can EASILY go on KZbin and find video after video after video of experienced users smoking 3030’s with nox 800’s not being mean but you sound salty cuz you paid $1,500 extra bucks for inferior tech…feels bad..sell it get nox 800 “learn” how to use it…you will be much happier 😜😜