Is the DbD Community Too Soft? | Dead by Daylight

[@ThePuddleKing]

I say "gg, gln" after every match, win or lose. I treat it like a handshake. I've also noticed that when I lose, forcing myself to say "gg, gln" helps calm myself down if the game was rough and I got mad about it.

[@Nightbane104]

You have a very good mindset. Thats exactly how I feel too.

[@_piranha]

I always say ggs and ggwp if it was a close game or they won. Though if they wait at the gate to tbag and spam click flashlights then i'm good on that lol

[@sinception5034]

I always try and rush it as fast as I can especially after bad matches, since it gives me that ego boost when you say "gg" and they say something toxic before reading your message. Maybe not the best reason but it keeps people happy

[@Doncroft1]

I say gg wp. If it was very one-sided in my favor, I simply say gg. When someone starts talking trash and I say gg wp anyway, it usually kills their toxicity on the spot. Even sweaty gamers don't want to look like donkeys by spitting on an offered hand.

[@John-rl1fv]

Bro, this is me, I'm glad someone else does this. It's never bm, but sometimes it is through gritted teeth lol😂

[@Feekky]

A simple "gg" on its own literally does not give you enough information to determine malice or goodwill.

[@TheDeenoh]

@@Feekky this is true. And it's interesting how many people choose to see malice when they don't have to. At least choosing to see goodwill doesn't cause stress, rage, or grievances on yourself.

[@Hatecrewdethrol]

usually if it's malicious there's a few things following the 'gg'

[@itsreallyhardtospell]

@@Hatecrewdethrol yea people act like ez doesnt exist

[@johnwarner4178]

True but I lean towards assuming positive intent based on how I grew up in sports, playing magic the gathering, etc when the game is over we just shook hands and say good game.

[@macavalli2619]

GG means Git Gud in the context of a one-sided match

[@Mayery]

A GG being considered BM never even crossed my mind, that thought is wild to me.

[@dustinsterling3248]

There's some ppl that act like that in overwatch, they say ppl saying GG is toxic and dishonest etc lol

[@clusterfeld8192]

gg = good game. Saying gg after the game has objectively not been a good game for the other side feels disingenious. Just aknowledge, the game the way it has been and wish the other side more luck in the next game.

[@Daddix0]

@@clusterfeld8192if I lose really badly, I send a gg and move on every time. it’s not that deep, it’s sportsmanship and it’s a handshake. everyone in the game elected to play with each other and accept the possibility of losing very badly and GG represents the willingness to be a good sport in the face of what you chose to subject yourself to. CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE LOSING and thinking “I NEED AN APOLOGY/I WONT ACCEPT A GG RIGHT NOW” that reeks of entitlement/chronic onlineness.

[@dustinsterling3248]

@clusterfeld8192 like tofu says in the vid, telling someone GOOD LUCK NEXT GAME sounds more harsh than just a sterile GG

[@Stasis1524]

@@dustinsterling3248 fully disagree

[@davidkray8971]

I play both sides. I say gg after every match, and I appreciate hearing it even if I just got stomped on. That was instilled in me from playing soccer as a kid. It's just polite

[@adabuilder6711]

GG by itself is not a BM however, I have seen it being used as rage bait by both sides. So many times I've seen a play type "gg" and as soon as someone responds, rather that response be positive or negative, they'll follow up with a "ggez, get good, go *** *******" etc. What's even wilder is I've seen some rage baiters actually get mad if the response was a positive one. Recent example: I was killed by a Bubba in a match. In the end game chat he gave a simple "gg." I responded with "gg, those chases were fun." I was being legit, I had a lot of fun in that match. His response was "Get mad. You lose. I won. Loser." I'm not sure what his motivation was for wanting a negative response and I'm not a therapist so I quickly moved on. The amount of sore winners there are out there is crazy. I've encountered too many players that use gg as bait and have learned to not even put in a gg myself if the players were toxic that match, just move on so I don't see the chat. I will say, the difference between chess and online gaming is usually in chess you are face to face with your opponent. These events are televised or at least observed by a crowd. People know who you are and your actions will always stick with your name not just throughout the chess world but with viewers and even your own family. With DBD, there are no consequences. Unless you are someone famous people will quickly forget your name therefore you don't have to worry about keeping up a reputation. Even if you do get a reputation anonymous mode is there to "save" the day.

[@VladDracula_Tepes]

Due to bhvr filter those are **, ****, *** **** and * ******

[@Scuuurbs]

Internet anonymity has been one of the best and worst things to happen to society, lol.

[@LayZKimochi420BlazeIt]

if someone spazzes out on me after a gg i just say gg again and leave lol

[@BLU3PULS3]

Definitely wanna see more discussion videos like this Tofu! Bring em on!

[@Corvus31]

Saying "good game" and shaking hands is something we teach kids to do in sports after winning or losing. This is one reason why sports have real value: it teaches you how to win and lose with respect...sportsmanship. I think a lot of people never played sports and never learned how to win and lose.

[@wilson713]

This. 100%

[@Nightbane104]

True!

[@_piranha]

It's because in online video games people are anonymous, so they can get away with being sore winners or losers with no consequences. So unlike real life sports where most people are cool about it, people will be absolutely vile to each other in PvP games

[@radek4634]

have you ever seen a person standing on a podium addressing those below him with 'gg!'? no and you never will, because athlete would be disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct. it is always the losing side who congratulate the winner, never the other way around. winner never seeks applause himself, because he already won. what you described is 100% unsportsmanlike behavior.

[@Corvus31]

@radek4634 tell me you never played sports without telling me you never played sports.

[@Kasparth]

It's definetly a low self steem kind of mindset, like they probably imagine the person writing gg laughing maniacally, with devil horns and shit... instead it's just good sportmanship

[@OhTofu]

Yeah and the thing I find strange is that they don't realize OUTSIDE the moment that it's ridiculous. I can understand that it happens in the moment due to frustration/anger or whatever, but on a twitter poll where you're voting with a clear mind? Idk it blows my mind

[@Dontaexy]

It's not low self-esteem cuz why do you have to say anything? Take the win and move on... Having to relish in your win is what is low self-esteem. What do you think you're never going to win again?

[@tminuswild]

@@Dontaexy Good sportsmanship isn't "relishing in a win", hate to break it to you

[@Dontaexy]

@tminuswild gg isn't inherently "good sportsmanship" hate to break it to you

[@tminuswild]

@@Dontaexy yes it is

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

It depends on if you think the person typing GG is doing so in bad faith. To think nobody ever does that is a bit naive tbh. I've played against tons of super toxic people who type GG after they were incredlbly rude in matches to try and troll further. And this doesn't just happen in DBD.

[@OhTofu]

Why would someone say "gg" to shit talk though? If someone wanted to talk shit or say something with malice, why would it be something like "gg" that might get taken as good sportsmanship? That doesn't make any sense to me. If they wanted to shit talk they would say one of the millions of things that are hurtful to hear after a hard match.

[@holloworacle]

@OhTofu This comment shows you are too pure of heart, Tofu. Seeing someone explode in anger from a backhanded 'gg' gives much more satisfaction to a troll than actual shit talk would ever do. You're not seeing things from the 'bully' mindset (which is a good thing).

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

@@OhTofu If you've never seen or heard anyone ever say something "nice" sarcastically to try and be rude then I honestly don't know what to tell you lol. This isn't even just a DBD or a video game thing, it's just a life thing. People do stuff like that ALL the time to be rude or condescending to people they don't like, and I'm shocked you think you've never experienced it.

[@VocalSynthUtau]

What youre saying is true but youre wasting your breath. He's already decided that anyone who disagrees with him has a personality defect and isnt worth listening to. Notice how he doesnt even try to contend with what you've actually said, and instead poses a completely irrelevant hypothetical. He's made his mind up, you're beneath him.

[@dobby9996]

I think there are certain circumstances where GG can be taken the wrong way. An example is if someone is deliberately trying to tilt you all game, teabagging, clicking flashlight, sabo squads, 4 man slug bleed out etc then in EGC say GG it's more likely to be malicious. Like why would they deliberately try and annoy you one second then be all wholesome the next? In my experience it's more likely they are just rubbing it in. I've had multiple times where I've lost, got a GG, said GG back to them, and then they keep messaging me not shutting up about how much they owned me. So they were clearly looking for a reaction

[@corvusaurem]

I had a killer who was 4 man slugging. I was last and after fighting free from him twice he picked me up and smacked. Which is the sign of "I'm giving you hatch". Once at hatch he dropped me, shut hatch, moried me then said GGs in endgame.

[@dobby9996]

@corvusaurem did he have the opportunity to hook anyone or was he just slugging from the start and bled everyone out? Because I think if someone goes in a game with a deliberate plan to use an unnecessary annoying playstyle then saying GG is a bit malicious, looking for a reaction

[@corvusaurem]

​@@dobby9996he was slugging the whole game and refused to hook anyone. Kept trying to carry everyone to basement as trapper and trap the basement. I avoided the basement since it was clear he was trying to 4k everyone there.

[@VocalSynthUtau]

I'm just now finding this video, and its striking me as quite odd how comments like yours that make really good points are completely ignored by tofu, but he goes in and "favorites" every post that agrees with him. Now I'm wondering who is actually "soft"

[@kevinmoore5674]

At the end of the day "GG" doesn't really convey much at all as it HAS become ambiguous over the years, so its down to the individual to interpret the intent. Without more context in each case we have to choose; are they being polite, or an asshole? For me, assuming good intentions when its uncertain always leaves my day a little brighter; and random DC is internet or IRL issues, rude driving is due to having kids or a pot of chili distracting them, or "GG" is someone saying "thanks for playing this game with me" its just easier top type out every time

[@therealtoxsinzgaming]

bro,take off the psychologist sweater and chill...it's not that deep,GG is the same as a handshake after a physical sports game...my man out here tryna align stars to reason why someone might be mad after a game. External issues are not anyone elses problem, and they should not be entertained,you entered the ring,you competed,you won/lost,and now you take your W/L and walk along. this really isn't a topic that needs to be explored, except by those that are seeking glorification and self satisfaction. Just say GG after the game because it's something called "Good Sportsmanlike Conduct", and if you can't , don't say anything

[@krugozor3904]

10:34 This would be it for the most part because to a losing person it can be interpreted as "no shit its gg for you. you won and ofc you had a good time. well I didn't". If the chat would appear empty there wouldn't be any more stimulation or frustration since the game is over and people moved on without engaging in a post game chat. These days it's an actual handshake still to some tournament players in any game yet for an unbalanced game of dbd considering things that are widely perceived as toxic even a simple gg could appear as a rub in someone's face depending on the context of the game EVEN if person saying it means no harm.

[@Splonton]

I think the main reason it happens now is because unfortunately (mostly young people, me included) will say ggs as a bm after a match where we try to be as frustrating as possible to mess with friends, like we'll play smash bros and intentionally be as annoying as humanly possible, then as soon as we win we'll stick out our hand and go "shake my hand" or "ggs" with a huge goofy smile, and I think people translate that into how they see online ggs. Not that they should, but I think that's what happens most of the time

[@panzeratom695]

The only time a GG is BM is when it's clearly sarcastic. If someone has spent all game trying to piss you off and then drops a GG, you know they don't mean it at all and are just shielding themselves. That said there's never a point in getting mad about it, just say GG (or don't, I'm not your dad) and move on.

[@asamashii331]

Things like ego, insecurity and inadequacy, has really done such awful damage to so many things, people just view everything negatively and have such huge paranoia about interactions and cant see anything as being sincere. Its why dbd is genuinely such a mess when it comes to survivor only mains just having such a relentless hate towards killers or vice versa, people take things way to personally. And i mean to be fair it's not without reason that some people end up like this because they do run time and time again into ego driven people who do actually BM them and make it personal. Its just sad.

[@nsbss1]

When both teams play with the same map pool (which may or may not favor a side) and win cons (kill v gen objectives) and that some perks/abilities work better or worse on certain maps then it's a gg regardless if it was a stomp or a cheese win. Its within expectations of simply playing the game. BUT, the conflict here is that DBD is not like you force a certain chess opening because you thought it would be fun, and sometimes you simply lose to a better enemy strategy. The conflict is that some perks and abilities are simply lethal when the other side just wants to have a friendly sparring session. Some people simply enjoy swinging a bat or running around a field. It doesn't feel good to get dunked on or sucker punched by some equipment and you can't even reach the other guy because you can't afford some super engine or have some height disparity from the matchmaking start. Another factor is the "is there something you could have done better" mindset for coping when you have random teammates. If that is a no because your teammates misplayed so hard then you get left standing there dead in the water. Not a very good game. The killer doesn't always know that though so when the killer types gg, it truly can be a bg for survs. Survs also might not notice when the killer has one act of kindness or game malfunction and then the survs run away with the game. There is no referee to announce game integrity losses and outside interference. People pull up to a match with different context. Some people are there to exercise and play a game with fun situational party objects, some people are there to get a 4k kill or escape. If the opponent doesnt relent until the match is over and they don't even help you get back on your feet afterwards. Even if they bow to you at the end by saying gg. Is that really respect? You brought a gun to a boxing match, bowed for your self-conscience and left.

[@VocalSynthUtau]

I feel really bad looking at this comment section, because its full of posts like yours that make good points and have a lot of effort put into them and tofu just completely ignores them. But if someone makes a low-effort, snide comment like "It's definetly a low self steem kind of mindset" just mindlessly agreeing with tofu and bashing anyone who disagrees, he goes in and favorites it.

[@hey_cass]

It’s very simply good sportsmanship to say gg. Imagine you’re a football player and your team gets their asses handed to them in a game. At the end, the players still line up and go down the line saying good game to each other because everybody showed up and participated and it’s….just very simple sportsmanship.

[@mcr00kes]

One thing that strikes me is that some of these people believe their emotions are the responsibilities of others. They are not. Those individuals need to understand that their actions regarding their assumptions are their responsibility alone. It's okay to feel annoyed or upset or angry, but when somebody feels that way it is solely their responsibility for how they act on it. By self-examining those feelings, they'd find a far calmer and more rational solution.

[@11TwilightAlchemist]

I think it's important for gg to remain the neutral term in post game chat. If I truly have a "good game" I add wp or great work team. What is added can easily change the meaning and even if you didn't have a good time it's still important to give the common courtesy of a handshake because at the end of the day this is a game we are playing to have fun

[@cyclone630]

There is unfortunately no online equivalent to a irl handshake after a game like in otb chess. Especially when the only form of communication is text so there is no tone or demeanor, so it leads to some ppl assuming a GG is only being said ironically. Obviously not everyone sees “gg” like that and see it at as an online “handshake”. Context is also very important to both sides of this argument. A gg in a close game is treated differently than in a stomp. Whether it should be or not is never gonna be agreed upon by everyone

[@michaelwilson4907]

This is super interesting because I am definitely in the camp of "GG" being a basic etiquette thing. "Thank you for the game," is the new meaning, regardless of the outcome. Even if you take the literal definition, good is a perspective. The view of a good game for the killer is supposed to be at odds with the survivors is so common place. So by that logic should the survivors have to say gg when they lose? Or the killer can't celebrate that they played well? I don't get this "GG" is toxic mentality at all.

[@serioustable8659]

I only say gg if it was a good close match. Saying it all the time defeats the purpose imo. Also if someone had an obviously super shitty time the whole game then a gg would probably feel insulting because for them it definitely wasn't a good game at all. If I got slugged to death and humped for 4 minutes and the killer said gg I would be annoyed, or if I got looped for 5 gens while teabagging and clicking, then teabagging and clicking at the exit gate until the timer runs out or they are forced to leave, and then they said gg I would be pissed because they are just saying it to be annoying. Basically if it was actually a good game then gg is fine but if they know it was a shitty game then saying gg only serves to rub it in And this might just be a me thing, but I hate people saying gg all the time no matter what. I wish people would only say gg when it was actually a good game. I don't get annoyed when they say it but it's kinda like telling your family member "i love you" every 5 minutes. It means more when you say it less and say it only when it makes sense to do so, not just every time you get the chance

[@dkres82]

My personal feelings on this hasn’t changed since playing tournaments for MTG loser should initiate GGs not the winner. That’s it imo it’s being a sore winner, and even with the Chess analogy I’m pretty sure the handshake is how loser concedes.

[@Wezqu]

Yeah this is how I see it I rarely say gg after match if the other side lost. I will say it only if someone on the losing side writes it first.

[@zamba136]

this is a psychological phenomenon that can be somewhat counter-intuitive. accepted and polite terms often become insults over time, especially in social situations where actual insults aren't tolerated (like how Internet Censorship bans people for even the most basic expressions of irritation) think of it like the southern United States and "Bless your heart." there are also many cases where scientific terms become slurs, but i can't list them for obvious reasons. EDIT: i think this is universal, i don't think this is limited to DBD. i think "GG" is becoming a gaming "Bless your heart" in most communities.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

I still don’t understand why they haven’t gotten rid of map offerings. They are so cringe.

[@bradypahl]

I just personally dont enjoy taking a GG from either side when it feels so one sided response. This is just me being super over critical of myself and my own gameplay when u lose very decidedly I'd just rather go next and get the last game taste out of my mouth. This isn't me being disrespectful to the person i lost to this is a self criticism.

[@The_Mud_Monkey]

The DbD community has a pathetically severe humility and entitlement issue. Also the -/+ rep on steam is literally a DbD community thing which only goes to prove my statement to an extent. I had literally (and I mean literally) 3-4 comments on my Steam profile, until I started DbD. I now have19 pages! Some nice, but 80% of them are angry, entitled players and 99% of comments are from DbD players ( I play many different games just to clarify ). Edit: I have been guilty of doing this sometimes also, so it comes from experience. Anger is a bitch of an emotion.

[@joallybeen]

GG has always been like that thing after sporting events when both teams shakes hands. It's like a thanks for the game. I've been saying GG in almost every game I've played and this is the first time I've heard it being taken as BM.

[@holloworacle]

In good faith, ~90% of players in pvp games will only drop a GG if they won the game. Would they do the same if they lost? If not, it's kinda disingenuous. It's less like saying "good game" and more like "it was a good game because I won".

[@spoopydeuce]

Tofu, the same community wants an option to turn off Chucky voice lines because they are too mean (even tho it’s true to the character), the same community that wants the ability to turn certain things off because of their phobias, again, it’s a horror game, we can’t just shut off stuff that people have a fear for, I think it is soft, and no disrespect to anyone, but cmon, wanting to mute chucky’s voice lines is actually crazy 💀 Edit: to answer you bluntly, yes, the community is too soft. If people are twisting pixels on their screen to give it a negative sounding message, with something as simple as good game, then they need to take a break from the internet and DBD entirely, I genuinely thought the whole GG is bm thing was a joke, like no mf way people are taking that as bad manners…? But anyway, I hope this answers your question :D

[@ian.404]

The shroom nonsense made me laugh so hard when my friend told me about that lmao

[@_piranha]

I think the phobia thing is fair though, like i don't think we should delete plague or anything, but i empathize with people that get triggered by the constant vomiting. Phobias aren't something you choose to have

[@spoopydeuce]

@@_piranha which I totally agree to a degree, however, with how vast of a genre horror is, and more importantly just how many phobias exist, you cannot have a toggle for every single phobia, that’s outlandish, and not really possible imo, I know they didn’t choose to have one, but cmon man, it’s a horror game, I remember some plant horror goosebumps books as a kid

[@spoopydeuce]

@@ian.404 I genuinely thought it was a troll post at first 💀

[@_piranha]

​@@spoopydeuceOh yeah no i don't disagree at all. It's just that i've seen people pretend that phobias are sooo easy to get over on this topic, so i was just adding a comment to make sure. I do love Lethal Company's arachnophobia setting that just turns the bunker spider into the word "SPIDER", it's really funny, but it wouldn't work in DBD and ultimately yeah it's just something some people have to face.

[@Borkomora]

I mostly play killler. when i stomp survivors, it's crickets 90% of the time. when i get stomped by survivors, it's gg all around. I never attributed any extra meaning to "gg" until i noticed that. It's very consistent.

[@rockishcaro]

If the survivors 4-out they're all going to be in the post-game lobby when the game ends. If you stomp, 90% of survivors are going to leave because they don't care to watch their last teammate stealth for hatch

[@Kezsora]

It's because most of the team has already gone next

[@corvusaurem]

If all survivors make it out, they're all abpe to say GG. If they're soloQ and you stomped out one survivor 1 minute in, and the last survivor is downed 15 minutes later do you really expect the first survivor to just be sitting on their hands for 14 minutes to type GG?

[@Dontaexy]

I don't play on PC but can they post gg in post game chat then leave and have the person still see it?

[@britelv9407]

@@Dontaexy messages won’t show up for people who get into the egc after you sent it

[@Weehawk187]

From my experience, the bigger a game gets in player base, the more you see this happen. Games, in particular competitive games, have a core audience of people that know "GG" and such are just common courtesy after a match because typically, the core gamers have years of experience in different games other than the one in question. But the larger the game gets, the more it draws in people who are not core gamers at heart. They are drawn in by the lore or the licenses or the themes of the games and get thrust into these competitive situations that can be super frustrating and not understand that the people on the other side aren't trying to personally attack them. It takes experience to be able to separate player from the game. I myself am not a very competitive player, DBD is the only game like this I have *ever* put this much time into because I was one of those people drawn to it by other factors, not the game play. I still can get annoyed when I have a bad match and people comment at the end but that is in the moment. It is important to just let go and realize someone who beats you in a game does deserve to feel good about winning even if you had a bad game. Best thing to do is move on.

[@bobbette888]

I play more survivor than killer and try to say "GG WP!" to everybody I go against and will usually follow up with a "GLNM!" after the killer responds. I typically solo q and am above average at taking killers on a trip around the map. When I say "GG WP!" to somebody that I know isn't happy with the results, I am thanking them for their time and looking to get a reaction about the game we just played, so I open up communication (I play on xbox so it can be a bit of a chore to send post game messages to players). More often than not, the killer just says "GG" back or compliments me on my gameplay and moves on. A lot of the time, the people are level headed and admit that they weren't ready for that match or that they played poorly. I try to cheer these people up and these conversations usually change to talking about builds or anything game related or they just end. Sometimes they give me salt and I don't complain about that either, but that isn't the intent from my message. When somebody gets salty, I try not to fuel the fire, I do my best to tell the other person that it's just a video game and to go next. I understand that messaging right after a game can be seen as BM, but it's a video game and I don't think people should take it so seriously and I'm not gonna write down your gamertag so I can message you once you've cooled off. I say it to everybody, you're not special. It is more about opening the door for communication than to get under your skin. You have the right to be mad about the game and I like to know that too, but I don't do it to ruin your day.

[@kobayashi_bslsk]

People who have been involved in IRL sports/competitive events where sportsmanship is instilled know instinctively “gg” is a digital handshake. The ones thinking this simply courtesy, with no other modifiers, being BM cannot draw from this experience. This is most likely a generational issue.

[@magical571]

But people in irl sports don't try nd be as annoying as posible to the opposing team. If they did the equivalent of things like teabagging, or prolonging the match unnecesarily to waste time, impeeding the other side from playing normally, etc they would get kicked for unsportsmanlike behaviour. In dbd, gg is often (not most times, but often enough) said as bait after someone tried to be as annoying as posible. The proof of this is that after the disingenuous gg is said, if they get a reply, positive or negative, they'll start mocking and insulting them.

[@zadenhomunculus8652]

Did someone really compare saying "GG" to saying "GG EZ"? Talk about checking your brain at the door...

[@HilmenYT]

For me personally, coming from a competitive magic the gathering background, I never offered the hand shake if I won. Instead I’d let my opponent extended or not. It’s not a perfect solution but it seemed to help a lot. So in this context maybe saying nothing unless the losing side says gg might help things. But at the end of the day if you wanna say gg and aren’t doing it in bad faith then does it really matter if they perceive it as toxic.

[@OblivionLotus]

Bro, the average gamer is a man child. They were never taught how to take a loss (or win, for that matter) with grace and respect. Losing feels bad and they can't rise above the negative emotions they have. It's that simple.

[@Untiligetfree]

I guess alot of people didnt play sports growing up . We all had to line up and slap hands after the game was over . Good game , yeah right , good game , year right . But you learn how little it matters you gotta move on

[@John-rl1fv]

Text can be construed in many different ways, and it's completely open to perception. Alot of times what is intended and what is perceived are completely different. That's all it is, but with two sides that don't like eachother it happens more noticeably.

[@Dontaexy]

6:25 I think that's the point.. Why do you have to say anything? Just take the dub and move on.. Saying something is just rubbing their nose in it and making yourself feel better... If it was a good close game then yeah gg.. Otherwise move tf on dood

[@IdkWhoiam-d4h]

Win or lose i say gg hard to piss me off though dbd helped me learn patients 😂

[@Dontaexy]

@@IdkWhoiam-d4h lol yeah I don't say it either way I just go to the next game..I only say it in return.

[@OhTofu]

People like interacting with other people, and I think most assume that not everyone is going to be so salty that they can't accept a simple "gg" as a way to have good sportsmanship after the time spent in a match. I love interacting with people, and the idea of just ignoring everyone in post game chat 24/7 would make the game so much more boring and less interesting. Saying gg should just be a wholesome interaction and the only thing that's keeping it from being that is the saltiness of the loser to not accept it.

[@Dontaexy]

@OhTofu a fair assumption I think it's also fair to assume they would get salty especially if you won.. Like I don't think that's a stretch to say. Also PS doesn't even have an end game chat I would venture to say considering most of the gaming population is there they are still having fun without it imo. Plus let's be honest egc is pretty 87% people complaining about your play style or being toxic I also agree that people like to interact with other people I just don't agree that during those interactions those people have the best intention.. But that can't be proven one way or another

[@OhTofu]

@@Dontaexy Again, I think if you have bad intentions, you'll say something MUCH worse than "gg". There are about a million things you can say that are hurtful if you wanted to be mean spirited, so idk why you would go with something that will probably get taken as good sportsmanship like "gg". I just don't feel like I want to cater the way interact with other people around people who are salty and angry. I really don't think it's that reasonable to be salty/angry at a videogame. I can understand why it happens but I think the people it happens too should be actively trying to fix that problem. The idea that the entire way we interact with each other as human beings should be based around people getting salty/upset when losing a videogame is just wild to me. To be REALLY blunt about my opinion here, I don't really care at all about the people who get insanely salty at games, and I'd rather keep saying "gg" for the reasonable people that will understand that it's good sportsmanship cause the salty people are gonna be mad no matter what anyways.

[@tecmaster12]

When I was taught to say gg after every game, it was explained like this. If you say it only when you win, it loses meaning behind the saying, it's not a good game because you lost or won it's a good game cause we played together.

[@zhi_long]

I close the chat by default, I do my best not to look at it, I try to play it like a solo game, I play both sides

[@KenoughsEnough]

First, seeing gg as bm is insane. For the title, being soft should never be a negative. Even in a game about murder, it takes nothing to be kind to your opponents.

[@dbdstuff]

Facts

[@Kasparth]

Soft doesnt mean kind, soft means weak, being kind is being strong and still being amicable or have good sportmanship when you could be a dick, being soft is gloating when you win and being a sore loser when you lose, it's being insecure and having to put people down to feel better about yourself or not being able to concede when you were bested and try to demean the opponent.

[@shawnwolf5961]

I would argue that being too soft absolutely is a thing. Anyone that cries about "GG" and tries to coopt it as a negative term, IS TOO SOFT. Period, full stop right there. Only in this weird gaming circle of DbD, is GG considered BM. I've never seen it across dozens, maybe even hundreds of gaming communities I've ever been a part of.

[@bodziex88]

It's all up to what "gg" is to you. The fact that you consider it as a friendly handshake after a match, doesn't mean it's the only valid way to look at it. I take "gg" quite literally so I only use it when I consider the game good (which to me is when match is fair and balanced or fun for both sides). The fact that you can't find "gg" offensive doesn't mean it is not to other people. As you can see there's a big chunk of players that think otherwise. And it's not just DBD players that are like this, I personally don't automatically assume whenever match was uneven and the winner says "gg" that they had malicious intent saying it, but I do acknowledge that there are people who use it in a bad manner and people who will get mad over it. Your usage of "gg" is not the only right one, it's just one of many. If you're only confused about how someone can see it as BM then all I can say that some people are sensitive over silly things and others are abusing that fact

[@johnwarner4178]

@@bodziex88 good point but I think the problem is either side projecting their feelings to the other. For example if I say GG in a friendly way and the other person takes it as an insult and calls me toxic that isn’t really correct either. I would say if it bothers people that much they can close chat altogether

[@bodziex88]

@@johnwarner4178 exactly

[@heeeeresmaverick]

Something that happens a lot in the game is people projecting their own feelings onto the other side - assuming the intentions/thoughts of their opponents. I’ve done it a lot in the past before I realised I was doing it, like if I faced a survivor who was outplaying me I’d think “man this guy is so cocky, he thinks he’s so good etc” when the guy is just playing the game well lol you never know what the other side is thinking, so assuming and projecting your own thoughts onto them can just make you toxic for no reason

[@ndratzlaff]

I even say gg when I lose hardcore unless the killer was extremely toxic

[@adumbledoor394]

I am completely dead serious here, it says a lot about the game's community that this even comes up as a discussion. Not a single other online game I know of, had something similar happen even once. I don't know another game's community, in which over and over people make a mountain out of a mole hill and talk about the most trivial things like they are the most controversial topics in the world. It flabbergasts me every time when these types of discussions come up. I don't know if the community is "too soft" or if the game just gives too little to talk about other than trivial things, but it bewilders me how in DbD it seems like people talk more about the actions of individual people than the game itself. Absolutely wild!

[@Blackheartgamer1]

Just to add, it’s a projection issue. People assume intentions when it comes to text conversations and always “assume” the worse case scenarios. Big issue in social media in general.

[@Hatecrewdethrol]

"they don't let hockey teams shake hands after if one team won 10-1" not sure about hockey but in most sports I've watched they 100% do that after the game

[@GodSendDeathx]

It's interesting how I only get ggs wp!! when i get 3 or 4 outed but when i 4k its crickets

[@austorious]

I've noticed this too, rarely do i get ggs when i win as killer

[@umbertorossin5977]

Remember that the average player will just go next after dying so they physically not there to type anyhting

[@Nightbane104]

Same! Altho I am a steam player and a majority of my games I may have 1 or non on steam so I assume the others are Xbox, PlayStation or Switch. But in games with a bunch I know are on steam do just cricket.

[@fearlessjs18]

Its no coincidence! Survivors are only satisfied when they win. Tofu is talking in circles here this is a very simply concept to understand and the evidence is blatant

[@dkres82]

@@GodSendDeathx I only send a GG when I lose and game was good. If other side reaches out when they lost I will return it though.

[@richarddavis3110]

As a fighting game player, I think they're an extremely good example of why post-match gg from winning player might be bm because it's the type of gameplay that elevates the hell out of emotions, especially during the final moments of a game. If the winning player proactively goes for a handshake post-match, it's generally considered bad etiquette. If you look at the post-match gg of dbd as a parallel to the handshake/fist bump of fighting games (and plenty of other games) along with the knowledge that both cause adrenaline rushes and very heightened emotions, it starts to make sense. That said, I think that unless we have very good reason to believe otherwise, we should give people the benefit of the doubt as far as their intentions go, and with that in mind even 'bm' post-match gg is usually not intentional bm.

[@rickydodson1539]

I have never seen gg as a bad thing I just don’t say it all the time. Like I’ve been playing marvel rivals and I have only said Gg when it was legitimately a nail biter, regardless if I win or lose. Other wise it’s a mental gg go next because I’d rather focus on my next game then dwell on things I can’t control or mistakes. But with DBD sometimes there is nothing you can do to win. You could a have a teammate kill themselves on hook or they get tunneled out and you still have 4 gens left. It would take a miracle to comeback from that even against the weaker killers, let alone a nurse or blight with the best perks. I get gg kinda sounding BM because dude we had the whole table flipped on us what were we supposed to do. Same thing can happen on killer too. Survivors can send you to map that’s not good for your killer, they could have a bunch of strong tiles, you could lose every mind game you attempt, so on and so forth. This game makes you feel powerless sometimes and it can feel insulting to see gg because they got to have fun while you were fighting an uphill battle. But I’m not about to have an argument with someone for simply saying GG. Now if they want to be like gg ez then we can have a fight about it but otherwise it’s whatever next game or break time. TLDR: there’s nothing wrong with gg but DBD specifically can just be blatantly unfair sometimes. Making it feel insulting.

[@DaBrownie]

Saying “GG” CAN be used in a toxic way. If someone loops a killer for 5 gens, pallet stuns them and tbags every time and tbags for 2 minutes straight at the exit gate and then they say “GG” that that isn’t being toxic? You usually can’t tell how it’s intended because you can’t pick up on sarcasm through chat. But literally every word in the English language can be used negatively, it depends on context and how it’s said. But I think the vast majority of the time it isn’t meant in a bad way. But yes this community can be soft.

[@zerglingtickler3692]

I always saw it as, doesn't matter if I personally thought tye game went poorly, I chose to play, I can't control what others do, a GG is just courtesy, if my game went bad, someone else's may have went really well, and for that, GG... they played better than me, that's that and that's okay... People who dislike GG's are just too focused on themselves to consider that someone else they don't know and never will know is on the other side.... it's sportsmanship culture, just in this case, the anti GG's are just too caught up in a game and themselves...

[@danburrello]

It's usually better in any situation to assume misunderstanding before malice. Healthier and more productive for everyone.

[@Nephthys52]

I honestly loved this kinda video. It was a nice lil podcast style video. I just put my phone down, lay on my bed and rest while you talked and I listened. Honestly please do more of these kinda ranty videos about stuff like this with dbd. 10/10

[@nikkis.2066]

There absolutely are those that say "GG" in bad faith...however there is zero way to differentiate between someone genuinely saying it and someone who's sarcastically saying it. It really doesn't matter to me, but like the handshake analogy you used: I played Soccer for like all my childhood and early teens. After a game our coaches forced both teams to do the hand slap line "handshake" and there absolutely were people when the lost gave the limpest hand slap, some barely even touching your hand....but when they won (because we'd play against the same teams year in and year out) those same limp sore losers, would be firmly slapping your hand to emphasize wordlessly they won and YOU lost. But without that human element and contact, you can't discern someone's intentions.... So given history of humanity and competition having sore lovers AND sore winners and people's own personal history experiencing it themselves...it can be hard to not just slip into automatically assuming that someone's "GG" has more to it than face value

[@theDrWusiji]

I once saw a post asking if console players see their GG's in chat and someone replied 'no, but keep putting that positive energy out there" and I've only ever seen it as that since.

[@LinkinParkConnoisseur]

Even if I was a bit tilted at the match, I still say gg cause you are supposed to just move on. I can't fathom it being a negative thing. You have to be very insecure to be mad about a gg

[@Babygremlin954]

I mean honestly for me, it’s not the matches where I get dunked on where I see it as bad manners, it’s the matches where the other side is super toxic (facecamping, tunneling, constantly sabo/flashlight/breakout+that’s and griefing) or when there seems to be constantly lack of consideration for the fun of all players involved in the match like when half the team throws or one side is able to get like 5k and the other side walks away with 30k+) it can feel facetious or toxic, regardless even if it’s not intended that way. For example, as a streamer, I constantly face killers (can’t really say survivors because survivors can’t see the killer is a streamer pre-match) who bring their most toxic builds and go out of their way to face camp, slug, slap on hook and/or tunnel simply because I’m a streamer and then say gg at me at the end. It can feel very toxic/mean especially in the context of them acting out in the match. Even then, I will try not to let it get to me but it can get frustrating when it happens match after match after match when I’m just trying to make a living 😂

[@XxTesla21xX]

Reading "gg" as specifically "that was a good game, wow. Can you believe how good that game was?" Is like walking past a friend, them saying "s'up?", and you turning around to follow them and tell them everything that's on your mind. Sometimes you just say something reflexively without actually meaning the literal thing itself

[@matebarnabas6187]

This whole thing reminds me of the „they all hated me” meme from meet the robinsons

[@deliriouszora]

The only reason i can really see why GG is BM is bc the person that think so, assumes their opponent knew they weren't having fun. When someone say "GG" its bc they assume or hope the person still had some fun. Even "bad"/one-sided games can be fun, and in turn still be a good game.

[@Babygremlin954]

22:30 I think the problem is that while playing to win is fine, it’s the chronic issue of multiplayer online games where some of the community is playing to win, some are playing just to play, and some put value in making sure whether win or lose everyone has a fair chance to at least have fun. I love matches that are a challenge, I don’t want an easy win, I don’t want a super demeaning loss, my ideal is an evenish pairing or at least a match where I can get 20k points or pretty close. (5k in each category is enough to at least try and maintain pips if not increase and is totally possible whether you win or lose) and also you can’t deny that some people just honestly play with the intention of ruining the fun of others and nothing else. That’s their fun. Making sure people are miserable and dbd has a higher than normal concentration in my gaming experience of people who intentionally go out of their way to be as toxic as possible and ruin the fun of everyone but themselves (on both sides mind you) as a survivor, I try to discourage my teammates from that sort of behavior as much as possible and as a killer I do my best to break that stigma by being positive and fair, win or lose, but I understand not everyone is like that. There’s also a high concentration of people in the dbd community that are LGBTQ+ and/or Neurodivergent and that often alters their perception of intention/communication - and they can’t help that anyone more than the person who said it can help their perception of it. There’s also a LOT of misunderstandings in the relay of what is considered toxic within the limited communication bounds of BHVRs system, especially on the survivors side (pointing/nodding/shaking head/teabagging etc) where the established public perception of the action has changed so many times over the years that it’s hard to tell. Then there’s just that fact that text in general is ambiguous so you only really can go off context as a whole when deciding perception vs intent in this kind of argument. This is honestly just such a complex topic with so many aspects to it that it’s hard to break down simply because like all human interaction, it’s a delicate balance of intent vs perception/reception.

[@Babygremlin954]

Honestly this game with how much it’s grown could probably do with what many pvp games do, and have a comp and a casual mode. That’d probably solve a lot of that.

[@mizark3]

GG stands for good game. If the game wasn't good for the participants, it can only be reasonably construed to be said as an insult. If you want to use coached language, it is only your fault if it is misconstrued. (Also don't pretend we don't have an above average number of ASD peeps in the gaming community, so being clear with your language is probably better served in the context.) You may want it to be a handshake, but a handshake has no message included. I can give a handshake and say 'fudge off I hope your life goes poorly' or say 'dang I don't know if I'll ever beat you, maybe one day!', but the shake itself contains no message. That's the problem with words vs actions. Also the extreme of needing a 'really good' match is a bit silly. I think in western contexts, we understand 'good' to refer to a standard deviation (or two) from the average bell curve. If the game had a handshake emoji then you could safely say it would be a 'manner message' like you wish gg to be. That's why I say 'best of luck futures' because the message is only looking forward, and is longer than the 'glnm' so it implies some sort of actual care put into the message (as you obviously wouldn't type more if you didn't care... as I look up and down the paragraphs I wrote here). The other factor is standing up against what is thought to be improper uses. Some people love owning snakes, and use their venom to research cures. Some people use that venom for bad ends. Advocating against the bad usage isn't being against snake venom entirely. People going against 'gg', are going against what they see to be improper snake venom uses. Ideally them standing against 'gg' used in that context makes sure it is only used 'appropriately' in their eyes. That being said, I am 100% for insults on the internet, because it is nothing but empty words with no actionable context. Sadly though, BHVR has been coddling the playerbase with their absurdist rules (can't use Yun-Jin because that's a bad word, can't use the disease treated with chemo as an insult or exagerration, etc.) I am even afraid here that my message will get blocked because of these absurdist rules permeating throughout even here (because it has happened numerous times before commenting on game balance... I don't know why, but it has. [Probably due to the solo 'faction's' name in this game.]). Post-game chat has become so sanitized, that 'gg' has now become a surreptitious way to say 'lol git rekt nurd, you stink at life' and you can't get banned for it. That is because BHVR's rules are so silly, and the bans for chat use are too broad, so now you clearly sarcastically say something to insult people instead (ala the gg at 5 gen 4k). It is the 'legal' way to insult people, since the rules are overly broad. One final thing I've seen a couple other people mention. On average, people only type 'gg' if they win. It is far rarer done in a loss. Now I know some people can claim "but all I do is win, and I type gg after ever match". That's fair lol, but in general, the concept still holds true. If people 'gg' more often on victory, then it means that message is cemented with a claim of "I won". You generally don't want to hear "I won" shouted at you from your opponent(s) after you lose, so the recoiling against a gg on loss makes sense.

[@XX-lc8sz]

This portion of the DBD audience never played team sports growing up and it shows, as showing gratitude and respect to those opposing to you was never taught.

[@BOTB_RBLX]

I have had some awesome experiences in the dbd community but I have also had a guy say to report me for winning as killer.

[@cornoratu]

10:52 - you hit the nail on the head for me right here. I haven't been playing DBD in a bit, but yeah, it sometimes annoyed me when the opposing side said GG after a hard loss, but when thinking about it out of that moment, I never once thought GG is BM. Even IN that moment, when I was frustrated, I acknowledged it was just frustration and I would only reply to the GG with something like "kappa", "not" or "only for you" and then I would go intot he next match. I oftentimes said GG as well whether I won or lost and I never said it just out of courtesy, either. In my opinion, no matter how good or bad you do in the match, as long as you tried to win and put up resistance to the other side's objective, no matter how small that resistance might have been, it was a GG. Sometimes things just don't align, pallets spawn shitty etc etc. All that matters is you try your best and if it doesn't work out, maybe think of what can be improved. You can't always do that in the moment, if you are frustrated, but it still helps even if you do it later. The only people that wouldn't get a GG from me would be griefers, sandbaggers, cheaters etc. If you played the game without being an asshole like that, I would always acknowledge your effort, period.

[@raylonardo4918]

I usually say “gg” after every match. But sometimes I say “ggez” when I get absolutely curb stomped.

[@John-rl1fv]

@OhTofu I love this type of video, these conversations need to happen more in the community so this type of thing doesn't continue to get worse.

[@MrWaffleMagic]

I think some of the only winning survs say gg is just survivorship bias since players won't wait around after dying to just say GG but if they excape they are more likely to wait a minute or be in the end game chat with the killer

[@WiiAndii]

While I'm leaning towards "No, it's not BM", I feel like I can still kinda get where the other side is coming from, and it's an interesting discussion imo. A few thoughts: While GG may have originated as the gamer version of shaking hands after a match, it's easy to imagine not everyone seeing it that way. Online gaming is a lot more open and accessible to all kinds of masses of people compared to traditional games and tournaments, so a lot of online players may not have been exposed to that kind of courtesy. Additionally, I feel like I've seen a lot of memes or videos where GG is said in ways that can be easily seen as mocking or condescending, and for some people, that would have been their introduction to a phrase. So when they see someone type it after dominating a match, with nothing to indicate how it's meant, they'll just default to that mental association. Conveying intent through text alone is difficult, and all of this may contribute to GG changing it's meaning over time, at least in the minds of an increasing number of people. Also, I definitely feel like you're right about many people just making assumptions about the other side, like only saying GG if they win etc. Not sure why they do that, but it does seem to be the case. Personally, I've realized that lately, I've indeed started to adopt the approach where I just don't say anything after a match if I felt it was too easy. I wait for the other party to say something first to see how they're feeling about it, and then react accordingly in what I hope to be a nice way (though it turns out like 80% of the time they don't say anything either). When it felt even or when I lose I usually just type ggwp, I just feel like that's a healthy thing to do.

[@ns645]

So, when I played DBD as killer, half of my games I would get severely screwed by the matchmaking system. I was bad at killer and my stats reflected it -- but I would frequently get paired with high level swfs, all with flashlights. I would have to wait 10 minutes for a queue and then spend 30 minutes swinging at the air and unable to leave the game. Getting hit with 4 GGs always felt like getting kicked when down. I play other games now, but I never say GG if I won by a large margin. I'll say something like "I'm sorry about your teammate disconnecting" or if their tank was throwing, apologize for that. Otherwise I'll say nothing. I only say GG if I win/lose by a close match, and it seemed everyone tried their best and had fun. If I play against a team of de-ranking pros and lose, I'll never be happy to hear GG. At that point it's mocking. So it's contextual. Sometimes it overwhelmingly feels like BM and sometimes it is that handshake that is earnest.

[@MatiMuffin]

sometimes i get kinda upset when people say gg after a really bad game, but i just keep any boiling emotion to myself, cause i would rather not ruin a neutral experience for someone else

[@kmelugin]

This isn't a thing us console players deal with, but on occasion, a fellow console player I was just in a match with will send a message to me outside of game. Sometimes these messages are because they are mad at how I played and want to accuse me of tunneling or something like that, which I don't do on purpose. Other times, we have a wholesome conversation. All and all, I think people just need to remember it's a game and if you're mad at the match, just get to the next one and try again.

[@zlothika]

honestly if i get stomped on in a game (without a tonne of bm) and they say gg it makes me feel better. it feels like theyre recognising my effort and not just laughing at me yk? they couldve insulted me, but instead they were just respectful and said gg.

[@TheDeenoh]

I'm pretty sure people who take "gg" to literally mean "that was a good game" have simply never played in any organized sports. Like you get humbled at like 5 years old to high five the other team and say "good game" no matter what the outcome was.

[@illemuise]

on the topic of assuming a GG is in bad faith bc the person saying it brought strong stuff and played to win, i feel like that's an extension of the concept of a bully squad. like there are genuinely people who do play to troll, but bc people feel bad when they lose, they attribute that attitude to anybody who brought strong stuff and/or played to win. and they assume the survivors were "bullying" regardless of whether anyone was actually rude during the match, too. personally i think assuming the worst of everyone around you isn't healthy, but it's definitely easy to do when you're already feeling frustrated bc you just lost a match. to me a GG is the same as a handshake. i played soccer growing up and we all had to line up and high five and say good game after every match no matter what the score was. i don't see any reason to assume anyone else is using it differently. maybe i'm just dense, but if someone's trying to be mean to me, they're gonna have to make it a little more obvious than that, lol.

[@vevomaster2]

I think people view it negatively because they are reading "GG" in their tone of voice of how they viewed the match. Since we can't hear or see the person in order to interpret intention from those cues, people will start to insinuate their own understanding in the heat of the moment.

[@ShrimplyWonderful]

the thing is a lot of people only say gg if they won and they assume everyone else is the same. i always say gg after every match, in whatever game im playing, even if i got stomped.

[@cobitatem6599]

I grew up playing rugby here in Britain, after every game, win or lose, we would shake hands with the opposition and then have drinks with them. there were games that we stomped and there were games where we got stomped, regardless we said good match to each other and drank together. people who can't fathom a friendly handshake of a gesture are just emotionally insecure.

[@greedo2398]

Something I think could be comparable is an annoying customer and a customer service worker. When ever the customer service worker says “Have a great day” after a customer has been annoying the customer 9/10 times will get mad about it. It feels like fake niceness and fake being genuine. But I highly doubt there’s a deeper meaning

[@PracixFGC]

GG is just the modern equivolance of saying "Thank you for the competition" aka thanks for playing with me. You are correct about it being a self report

[@Wezqu]

I would prefer it not be used when the match was not good for both sides. If one side does not get to play its not even remotely a "good match". Tunneling someone out or camping hooks to win the match and then go "gg" after the match is no way a "good match" for everyone. Might be for the killer who did it to win but survivors most likely don't agree. Also just pointing out that most people are not english/american and might not take the "gg" as some neutral thing but what it really means "good game" if it was not a good game for the other side its not surprising its not taken positively. If you can't even see that other people don't think like you don't make them sensitive or snowflakes. There is those people who take things too seriously but in the end everyone is individual and I know quite a few people who would rather there be nothing in the end game chat or something that relates to the match if it was not good for both sides. "gg" is the most low effort response anyway. If you can't think anything positive to say of the other sides gameplay might be better not to even write the gg. Isn't that also something that is thought to kids to not say anything if you can't say something positive and to your knowledge "gg" is not always seen as positive thing and can be used as negative connotation too.

[@6kimiko6]

I think it’s just the issue of people that want to have fun vs people who want to win. If the killer plays in a way that is miserable but effective, slugging or tunneling, then it feels like you didn’t want the survivors to have a good time. If i play against survivors that bring expo and sabo hooks and flash light and keep me from being able to play killer, i feel exactly the same bitterness. No matter what you say will feel BM because it will feel like the other person is gloating regardless of whether it’s true. One of the things about the handshake that is slightly different in my opinion is that you can take in other social cues. Over a text chat, there’s no other social cue to tell me whether they mean it or not and if youre already pissed bc you felt like the game sucked then I don’t think it’s surprising to just jump to conclusions and assume the other person is being condescending. Personally, I just think people need to take the game less seriously in general. It’s just a game. It’s ten to fifteen minutes that you won’t remember in a week. Sometimes you gotta find a way to have fun even if you lose.

[@leahjohnson8478]

I wouldn't have even thought "GG" was BM. It's just a common courtesy. People are just too easily upset.

[@bjomk]

words having meaning is not overanalysing, i won’t go out of my way to say gg if i played like ass, but if the other side says it i’ll respond, it’s just a nice thing to do

[@reignfire85]

I view "gg" the same as a post-game handshake in traditional sports: you played an honest game, no malice or cheating, and you show respect to the other team. If someone is having such a bad day that they take it as an insult then that is a severe twisting of the comment's intent. Yes, it can feel like a crass remark if you've lost badly, but that isn't why people say it generally.

[@davesplayin1534]

It's been my experience (as a killer main) that nothing good comes in post game chat so I just type GG and bounce.

[@VentingSylar]

It ultimately comes down to the fact that we cannot control how other people interpret the words that we type. As we cannot truly know how the person on the other end of the screen meant those words versus how they are perceived. To me personally, gg means good game. As survivor if a killer hard tunnels someone out at 5 gens for example, especially as a strong killer like nurse or blight where its completely unnecessary to win, then a gg at the end comes off as quiet condescending. I only mention killer cause the survivor experience for me can feel REALLY bad at times, especially as a solo que player 90% of the time, where a gg at the end just feels like salt in the wound. Whereas my killer games are rarely of the bully variety. In those situations I think the killer or survivors would probably be better off just going next instead of trying to engage people who clearly had an unfun lobsided game. And this is coming from someone who's 32 years old since you mentioned you're 33.

[@SmartBatto]

Honestly, the order of results I get is: Silence > Salt > Happiness; regardless of if I win or lose. Like People don't like to lose so instead of being friendly, they stay quiet or get salty. Unless you follow the "Survivor/Killer Rulebook" and be SUPER CUTE, then I never see "Thanks for the fun match!"

[@PsychoMantis_13]

I think context plays a big role. like a killer running four slowdowns on nurse, slugging everyone at 5 gens and saying gg. you know no one had fun and you gave no one a chance. saying gg feels like bm. i refrain from saying anything ever because i don't want to be that person. it happens on the flip side as well when you are survivor destroying a new killer because mmr does almost nothing. if its a close game with good matchmaking sure saying gg is perfectly fine.

[@wordsarelike]

This is just evidence that we need some kind of new mode that is either explicitly casual or competitive. It sounds like people have differing expectations for their experience in this game. Also, personally, if someone says ggs after they teabag me all game and BM me throughout the game, I don't get heated, but I don't usually respond. If you BM me in the game, I'm not going to expect sincerity and kindness in the post game chat.

[@AustinakaRiiZE]

4:30 Exactly Tofu. People are ASSUMING.. and this is a problem not only in dbd, but in life as we know it. People wont ever get real facts or information about things most of the time anymore, its much easier for them to just make an assumption and validate their twisted way of thinking by that assumption. Its a very messed up coping mechanism and it genuinely is a shame and in extreme cases can ruin livelihoods of the victims whom are assumed the worst of.

[@Yolipow]

The only time I don’t say GG is when there’s someone with a toxic name. If it’s only one person, I say gg to everyone but that person. If it’s a whole team, I just report and move on

[@WarCorrespondentYT]

Keep in mind, this question was asked on ~Twitter~

[@OhTofu]

true tbh

[@snowrangerx]

It is definitely a sports thing but I feel like the whole "GG" Being a BM thing is coming from the people who got the "Participation" trophies in school and saying that neither winning or losing but just being there was something to be awarded. Now after match stomped on or not, I have always said "gg". I have also been told that we were a "Bully Squad, 4man SWFs" and all that jazz even IF We were all 4 solo. But yeah, it is more than likely either a self-esteem thing or them projecting their anger when all they see is a GG and consider it BM.

[@brianradebaugh344]

Communication is a two person job. If the receiver wants to hear something bad, then they will regardless of the words. People need to learn how to assume good intent. If you assume good intent and it's actually not in PGC then who cares. You'll go on to the next game feeling better because you assumed the other person was being decent vs being angry in the next game. I'd rather have fun playing games... that's the whole point.

[@dbdstuff]

Its just gg nothing more, even if I get frustrated.

[@LayZKimochi420BlazeIt]

I don't think GG is bm at all but i feel like good luck next is even less bm lmao maybe I'm just naive but I'm genuinely like "aw shucks thanks yall" when someone says glnext

[@Tempenwerfer]

The modern day Socrates, developing understanding of DBD philosophy