Is the Kayak Industry in trouble?

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Let me know what you all think! Im looking forward to seeing what we will be talking about in 5 years!

[@StonedDead1981]

I'm hoping we see more "yaktoons." I like the Jackson 360 Angler, but it's pretty expensive from where I'm sitting. I'd like to see that, but modular, something that could be packed in a car. They're still fairly light, all things considered, but appear to be extremely stable compared to a regular kayak. I've even come up with a couple designs for a fold in half tiny pontoon that I'd like to take a crack at making. A two piece aluminum frame with full width hinge, so it folds right before where you'd want a seat. Have a utility mount that bolts on to physically block the hinge on each side. Make two part pontoons that slot together and get pinned so they can't separate. I was wanting it to fold up into the bed of a pickup and be able to close the tailgate. And if someone reads this and wants to make it, just means I don't have to build it myself.

[@Robotchef75]

I have a question about Native and Bonafide kayaks. I've been searching around for fishing kayaks made in the US and came across a Bonafide video. A commenter mentioned that Bonafide was now "in bed" with Native as to imply Native was a shady company and now Bonafide was to. Do you have any idea what that person could be talking about? I don't want to give any money to people with questionable business practices or a poor history. Thanks for your time.

[@postfishingclarity]

Agreed! I think company’s need to be able to take criticism, as anglers spend 3k, 4k, 6k on our yaks, it should come with a warranty that covers everything for at-least 3 years. That’s the main reason I got rid of my 2020 Hobie mirage outback. When I bought the Hobie it was the best and with in my first year of owning a Hobie their customer service changed for the worst. I now own a native titan x 12.5 within my first month the propel drive broke and they exchanged it right away and didn’t charge me for anything. That’s what we need in this industry, trust goes along way.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thanks for your feedback and for watching!

[@manny4491]

I think the industry is going to have to not only take the feedback from their pros on product improvement "At the Speed of Light" but also give the customer improved product support. $6000 should mean a 6 year no haggle hull warranty. Not 3 years of grey area. Merry Xmas

[@turtsable]

100%

[@jimfromm3981]

The game changer will be a solar powered kayak that will run all day, and include a retractable live well, and a rotating seat that allows easy access to all the equipment behind the seat.The Jackson Big Tuna has a live well and I loved it. I made a waterproof insert for a 12V battery, the weight of which, lowered the VCG and really helped with stability. I used that when I was flounder spearing. I had a Hobie Outback but I missed the live well and hated the continuing maintenance required on the pedal drive. I'm old and heavy. Last year I bought an extra wide 14 ft Jon boat which solved the stability issue, but losing the independence and versatility of the kayak made the trade off nearly a wash. I had trailers for all my kayaks, so for me, loading and offloading was not a problem. At 80 I still prefer fishing from my kayak in quiet water.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Interesting

[@ReelTimeCapt]

I have a Old Town Big Water 132 PDL. It was purchased in like new condition but used. Its an awesome plateform and I have been out in some unforegiving conditions. I am a retired USCG captain, owner operator and ran charters for over 20 years. While I like the Hobie name, I choose to spend my hard earned dollar a bit more discerning. With my background, I expect the best in quality, so I chose Old Town. Tight Lines and keep them coming!

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Will do. We got down to about 8 kayaks at one point. Glad that's over. Thank you for your service

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

Semper Paradus, Captain. A week after getting my Titan 10.5 (nearly 6 years ago), I went out in 15 mph winds with gust to over 25. Sure, waves were kinda fierce, but having 6 years of C.G. experience - I had FUN...! (Been in really Bad Weather aboard ships in the Pacific in the mid 60's, where 60 foot waves and 135 mph winds were blowing! What's a little wind and water, anyhow?). Lol... The Coast Guard prepared me for becoming a Charter Boat Captain, a SCUBA Instructor, Large Engine Mechanic, etc.. Born and raised on the Gulf Coast, I still have "Water in my Veins"...!

[@fugisgonefishin]

In my opinion $3k+ for a kayak is only reasonable if you plan on tournament kayak fishing. I think this will start to set a cap for companies. I don’t think the prices will continue to rise or even stay at the premium $5k-6k we see some yaks selling for. It’s just not worth it to buy a $5k kayak to add a $1500 motor and $1k-$3k in fish finders for the average angler… I think companies will start to lower their prices or risk going out of business..

[@thebeardedpaddler]

2500 is a starting point for a good pedal drive fishing kayak. Hobie makes the Passport 10.5 and 12 for $2k but not a true fishing platform (you can still fish from) in $2500 you get Bite Fd, OT Sportsman series, even the Hobie Compass, and the Native Propel 10. Plenty of quality stuff out there. The every once in awhile few times a year kayak fisher may be better served in a paddle kayak with an anchor setup also. Lots of options

[@fugisgonefishin]

@@thebeardedpaddler I’m aware, I own a slayer max 12.5 that I got for 2600 and a hobie passport 10.5. What I meant is that for the past few years kayak prices have been going up and I think it’s about to stop at around $3k, some might offer more expensive setups but I think it’ll be more aimed toward the pro rather than the average weekend angler. Sure companies offer a more affordable kayak in their line up but often times they’re very basic. and for the $3k and above price tag it’s more reasonable and logical to buy a small Jon boat and have the ability to bring a buddy along.

[@matthewcapes1149]

I'm an outfitter and we have seen our first reduction in 2023 rentals compared to the last 5 years we have been open.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

There has been a bit of a drawback or correction to the market. Water levels affected the Ozarks more than anything.

[@lowlifeangler]

Raw Materials: plastic resin is oil based and the prices go up like crazy. We try to regrind and reuse to save money. The con is the Injection and blow molding machines run like crap dealing with contamination and metal , ugh

[@nrkkl]

I’m new to the kayak market, but I still own a boat. Having worked in a sports and marine dealership, what you said was the same way things are here in Canada. Although costs to buy big ticket items here are ridiculous. And it all starts with the manufacturers costs. Hard to say what the future will bring but somehow things have to become more reasonable. Interesting videos also, nicely made.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thank you for your feedback! Hope to see you in the comments on future videos!

[@BrettC1973]

Just sold my 23 PA12 360 for $2500. Thought it would go quickly but, it still took some time to get it sold. Picked up a Titan X 12.5 to replace it.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Great choice!

[@trucksimfan2687]

I’m looking forward to the pre-owned market boom.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

They are everywhere here

[@trucksimfan2687]

@@thebeardedpaddler In central PA the used ones are still listed at a premium price, and most look like they’ve been neglected.

[@jeffarmstrong9324]

Sold two high end SOT’s during the 2020 season that were 7 and 8 years old for what I paid for them and quickly upgraded for my wife and myself. We were lucky because we moved them quickly and very early in the season so we didn’t get caught up in the supply chain crunch. I think you’re spot on with your assessment but I have to ask, is there any point in this innovation race that will cause some consumers to say to themselves, “at $5-6K I might be better off buying a used bass boat?”

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thank you for watching. It's important to know that the boat industry is doing the same thing. Not everyone needs a 5k kayak but the boat argument is not the beat at that price. Boats (even Jon boats) require a lot of maintenance (motor) and 60% of the cost is the motor. Many of the used boats in that price range will turn in to money pits. That being said, not everyone needs a Hobie Pro Angler. Innovation gives you more value and more features for the money you are spending. Things like access drill plates, more creative storage, seats, accessory mounting, and future rigging capabilities will be the near future in my opinion.

[@michaelrohde1112]

Merry Christmas. Keep the videos coming. I always enjoy your videos and seeing what new is kayaking even if I am in the market for a new one.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Really appreciate that. Merry Christmas to you as well. A lot of really cool kayaks out there as well as gear

[@michaelsanchez3659]

I expect to (and hope to!) see more competition in the bow mounted motor category. Companies have to be seeing the success the xi3 is having! Also, coming from a bass boat background, I hope to see more thought put into the true hands free experience of a foot pedal trolling motor for yaks.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

I think you will like where the industry is headed then!

[@johnhiggins1071]

As kayaks go to moterized, the future will bring small car topper boats similar to pre 1980s. With todays electric and small 4 strokes I find for calm or open waters a 12ft aluminum boat lighter and better then any kayak on the market, I believe these classic aluminum boats will be made of light weight matériels and you can take another with you or not

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Most of your motor ready kayaks are more lake/tournament ready kayaks. These are always going to be heavy and big. Lighter weight kayaks are out there and there are some really good ones too. Thanks for your feedback!

[@bobbyhogan9207]

Spot on thoughts there Andy. Merry Christmas to you and your family Andy.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Merry Christmas BJ!

[@AnxiousBaits]

I wrote hobie and asked them why they couldn’t incorporate trailer tie down rings into the tubing of their kayaks. I think small details like that are not thought of in exchange for look, color, etc. bilge pumps and electronic hubs should be standard in a 6k kayak. Love my PA14 360.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching!

[@001Cherith]

Fishing kayak per se, I think the industry is indeed in trouble. All products are moving upward, toward techy, become heavier, more expensive, pretty much tailored for competition level users. For casual users like myself, there is really not much out there, like in the range of $1000. nowadays, $5000 is common. the manufacturers just priced them out.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

There is plenty out there but most customers are going to the rigging up. It's a boat alternative that is more portable, less expensive, but good quality.

[@snicklefritzd3612]

I agree. There are all kinds of boats out there for $5k

[@williammiller735]

I have a 10 year old WS 135, paddle. I can fish with the best of them. Kayaks have gotten way overpriced with gadgets, no need for all that. Keep it simple, save money, have fun.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

@@williammiller735 there are still simple designs out there and quality ones. The big boys do get more attention though. Thanks for watching!

[@001Cherith]

Absolutely！that's the beginning of Kayak fishing, simple and easy to get on the water and have fun. Now it has become way too sophisticated and techy. I used to paddle miles, now with all kinds of drives, the only benefits of Kayak fishing, to get some exercise, is gone too.@@williammiller735

[@Obxhatman]

Far as style of kayaks , One style , fishing , honestly nothing is better for fishing overall , than the Old Town Autopilot 136. It has the perfect layout , perfect drive setup and everything , I do not see any other manufacturer coming out with something that is leaps and bounds above the quality and ability of that kayak to fish from. At 5 grand , its pretty much hit the mark on everything. I dock launch it on a trailer like a PWC and I never have to lift it , I fish the sound , it holds on spot lock in any wind or tide that I have been in. Its just stellar. I have not been in anything above 20 MPH , but 18 and lower , its great. If I had one complaint , at all , it would be for there to be a 50 lb or 55 lb thrust version versus only the 45 lb thrust. Outside of that , its perfect. Anything more capable and you have to spend 10's of thousands more on a boat.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

I'm glad you like it and it's a solid kayak. Since MotorGuide and Minn Kota both make a kayak trolling motor with spot lock the AP no longer is as unique as it once was when it was launched. Now you can put spot lock on the bow of most fishing kayaks for less $$ than an AP. The Autopilot needed more storage in my opinion and is the biggest reason why they people are moving to Nucanoe and Bonafide, and even Hobie

[@Obxhatman]

@thebeardedpaddler yeah but rear storage sucks because most of us are to fat to be turning around and getting behind the seat of a kayak. Not me , if I can not reach back without turning around and find what I need , then it's useless behind me.

[@EKB_RC]

Hey there man I’m looking to get into kayak fishing and I live 5 min from a access point to lake Chickamauga put I will have to car top it the lynx is light enough but I love crappie fishing in the winter and I think the splash on the lynx will be to much I have been looking at the Jackson bite fd but do you think its small suv top able ?

[@thebeardedpaddler]

It's is but not near as much as the Lynx. Depends on how choppy your water is.

[@EKB_RC]

@@thebeardedpaddler alot like the ocean at times

[@lowlifeangler]

I made out on this covid thing except being sick for 3 weeks feeling I was going to die. Worst pain I ever witnessed. I binged on Chad Hoover TV episodes so that opened my eyes on the aftermarket of Kayak Fishing and the KBF. As the industry, I'm going to upgrade my sit on top kayak this fall for a pedal kayak. Still a step behind, everyone switching to a electric motor. Especially in the south, not as much in Ohio. Merry Christmas Bearded one

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Merry Christmas to you as well! Watching too much @@chadhooverfishing may be hazardous to your health though lol. Just kidding of course. Thank you for your feedback!

[@lowlifeangler]

@@thebeardedpaddler 😂 lol I usually follow Wendell Fishing channel being from Ohio about 3 hr drive away . I haven't had to chance to hang out and fish with him. He was on my Christmas card list this year.

[@ChadHooverFishing]

Thanks brother, I really appreciate that.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thanks for swinging by bro! Hope you had a Merry Christmas! Call sometime to catch up

[@lowlifeangler]

@@ChadHooverFishing I should have a pedal kayak this fall. Of course I will sign up for all 4 months to try qualify for Team Wendell for the Knucklhed series again.

[@robbiejohnson3698]

I wasn’t going to buy another kayak but the Recon 120 hd was a steal I hope that it is good quality last the next kayak will be Bonafide PWR thanks for your advice and input I live in Florida it’s been 5 years without a 70,000 bass boat I fish bass tournaments for 30 years and I want another boat but the price is crazy and Iam getting closer to retirement over the years I have bought 30+ kayaks in 20 years transition is hard for me 😅

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Recon HD is a solid yak for sure! Merry Christmas!

[@SavageVoyageur]

I’ve owned my Old Town Bigwater 132 for 3 years now. I paid $1100 shipped to my door from Maine to Minnesota. 3 years later it is $1850. Wow.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Facts

[@justintimeforbass]

A lot of people bought kayaks during Covid and over saturated the used market. Innovation with value will carry those kayak companies going forward. Whole industry and economy is shrinking back. Innovation will lead the charge

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Innovation and value are key.

[@moblack5883]

Yep I bought a boat during Covid. 2 years later I sold and you can find great used boats out there.

[@jaceunderwood7942]

I modified a fairly cheap kayak to all hell, couldn’t imagine spending 1k+ on a “nice” kayak. I then decided to get a 14 foot job with a 25 HP on it…. way more fun than a kayak and safer considering I fish in Florida.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Hey, if it works best for you that's what it's all about!

[@davelips]

I've see prices go down roughly 20% to 30% at the retail level versus the 2022 pricing. Which is a good thing for the consumer. Also seeing new players in the market and more mid range boat options for new enthusiasts which is fantastic. Used market isn't that great in my area, but to be expected in WI when we really only get about 5months for an open water fishing season until the winter hits. Honestly wish I would have waited about 6 to 9months to buy my FeelFree Lure, as it could have saved me about $300 to $400. 😂

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Not sure prices will go down much. But you will see new models come out in the mid price point I think. I'm hoping the price increase is kept to a minimum (or $0) and we have already started to see that. Jackson went down on some of the prices and stayed the same on others. Hobie took a much lower increase and they are not charging more for the camo colors which is nice to see

[@davelips]

@@thebeardedpaddler I agree.. the top end boat manufacturers like Hobie, Jackson and Bona-fide are in a tough spot. They don't want to devalue their lineup, but the mid range boats are offering options comparable to the top end boats, which is guaranteed to take more market share. If you're not a tournament fisherman, KZbinr or someone who fishes every week, there's no reason to buy a top end kayak anymore.. in my opinion.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

@@davelips it's all need based. That's my greatest challenge with anyone looking at a kayak is that not everyone needs all the bells and whistles. There are numerous kayaks that keep it simple and straightforward and allow you to enjoy everything that kayaking has to offer. Really great feedback. Hope to hear from you more on future videos!

[@MSmith-jf5wo]

I think you are "Dead-On", with this one! After taking with Larry and Grant (J.) 2 years ago, he said "Wait and SEE" what happens in a few short years. I waited, and Gosh! What a selection of Quality 'Yaks there ARE, in the marketplace NOW...! (Hope you still have a Titan-X this Spring for me, 'cause getting a 5 year loan to buy it at MY age - isn't easy!). Lol...

[@thebeardedpaddler]

You can finance on our website a lot easier probably. Ozarkmtc.com

[@Hydrayak]

Great video and info!

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thank you for watching

[@ichabod13]

I was looking for something this year and the used prices were 2-300$ under new. Way too little value to go used with those prices and you don't get a warranty.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

That has definitely changed. Some are trying to get new prices but they aren't selling. The fact that the over stock of the new ones made them go at discounted prices makes the used worth even less.

[@Obxhatman]

On the retailer side of things , I think your a little off the mark. What is the definition of "grow in too"? I have several kayaks , all of which are used between my wife and friends and myself. Some are years old , others are just a year or two old. I do not think kayaks are like shoes , you never grow out of them if you buy them for certain reasons that others can not do. I primarily fish , she just lays out , so I have two pedal drives and a autopilot 136 , she has a jackson kraken 156 and a feel free molken and a mirage 360 pa14. When we plan to travel a lot in the water , she prefers the jackson kraken for its speed. I preferred the WD radar for its easier to pedal than the Propel 13 and it can go a little faster than the autopilot. If we plan to to a lot of stop and go but stay close to the docks and I plan on a heavy fishing day , which is most of the time what we do. I use the autopilot , and she uses the pa 14 360. I use the propel in ponds because of its sharper turn radius and in very shallow areas like less than a foot because with the drive up it paddles the best. The feel free molken is really the only kayak that we have sort of left behind out of 7 kayaks. I could make an argument , for an additional couple more kayaks for touring if we really wanted to go some distance and possibly camp around. I do not adhere to the whole buy a kayak , find something I like better and then sell one before I buy another and only keep one kayak. Too many differences between them.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Needs change. Someone may buy a kayak to fish occasionally from and then they really want to get into it. Tournament fishing, electronics, motor setups , etc. You then "grow out of the kayak you are in" and upgrade. It happens a lot especially to big box store kayaks .

[@MidwestOntarioHeadwaters]

Agreed! Kayaks are like golf clubs. You can't have just one that does everything.

[@urbanfishingtv]

Wages are going up but not at the same rate of inflation. I don’t think at the long run it’s sustainable to keep increasing prices, unless economy and cost of living get better.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

I get that. Premium kayaks are where it's at and is a great alternative to much more expensive boats. The thing that will separate a kayak is what you get for the money. Thanks for watching!

[@NiteWolfeFishing]

And here iam still stuck with my original kayak from 4 years ago.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Nothing wrong with that! Means you got the right kayak for you!

[@NiteWolfeFishing]

Naw if i had the money i would be in something else, i just make what i have work lol. Highly modified sun dolphin boss 12 ss trying to make due on ssd is rough. I follow you and others so i can dream :) @@thebeardedpaddler

[@georgefitzhugh6455]

Subbed!

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thank you! Plenty of content coming down the pipeline!

[@nashguy2814]

If you do your research you can find kayaks with the same build quality as a brand name but for less , I found myself an 8 foot pedal kayak that turned out to be about 2hrs away from me , the company I bought from get them from China , LSF company in china which has bin around for 20yrs or so. Yeah I no people turn there head when they hear China...lol Anyway the build is HDPE , about 64lbs , 34 inches wide , kind of looks like the slayer propel 10 but different in layout , of course I upgraded the rudder with the native spring rudder and berley steering since I already had that stuff...lol

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Question, If you have trouble with the kayak who takes care of the warranty? The reason I'm not a fan of the unknown foreign kayak companies is that they use a lower density plastic as well as a cheaper manufacturing process. If it's the right kayak for you that's awesome. Those are the main issues that are always a concern though. Merry Christmas!

[@nashguy2814]

@@thebeardedpaddler Warranty goes with the place you bought it from , I would never buy directly from over seas which is why research is crucial in finding what your looking for. During my research I was able to find a dealer for that brand 2 hours away from me. This particular yak is made from HDPE which is what I wanted as I mostly do rivers. It's great if you can find what your looking for local or at least close by so you can have a look at it at least before buying as I did.

[@UncleDavidOutdoors]

Preach

[@thebeardedpaddler]

You know this! Have a Merry Christmas and get that content!

[@AddictedAngler]

aliexpress/Alibaba Kayak are dominating it lol

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Meh. I think many people bought those and now they have saturated the used market and people realizing they were sold by marketing instead of quality

[@AddictedAngler]

@@thebeardedpaddler you are right on that , but i feel like market will correct it self and hope we ban the cheap K>O kayaks some are very bad quality

[@Bobbysheresomewhere]

At the ridiculous prices they charge, i can buy a real boat, that gives me more room, comfort and options.

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Not sure what kind of real boat you are going to buy for 2-3k dollars. You are going to have some upkeep costs and be replacing a motor.very soon at that costs. I hear that argument a lot here at the store and they usually buy the kayak shortly after buying the "real boat" that ended up not being the deal they thought it was. 2 best days of a boat owner? 1. The day you buy the boat 2. The day they sell the boat To each there own though. I'm just speaking from personal preference here

[@richardjohnson6695]

Agree, a small jon boat on a trailer vs high end yak is basically a wash in cost. Yak prices have reached or exceeded their market limit. Fully decking out a yak vs a tiny tin project favors tiny tin.

[@fishingismydrug1]

I agree with the beaded paddler. I’m trying to sell my “boat that costs as much as a kayak”, to buy a pedal kayak. I’ve had boats for 30 years. At this point in my life, I’m done with gas engines, batteries, registration, trailers. I want the minimalist approach, along with some exercise. A question for @Bobbysheresomewhere, and others like you- if your that against kayaks, why did you both watch and comment on this video? If you want to sway people your direction, there are much better tactics.

[@Bobbysheresomewhere]

@@fishingismydrug1 Does one have to be "for something" to obtain knowledge about a subject? Is one only allowed to comment if they agree with the message? You stating you've had boats for 30 years and call a sit on boat, a kayak is interesting. As a kayak is defined as a boat you sit in, not on. Finally why would you take it upon yourself to think you can speak for me by assuming I'm trying to sway anyone. My opinion on the subject is entirely mine and meant only to reflect my belief. If it sways you or anyone else, I'd be inclined to think one is not a free thinking person and perhaps should consider concentrating on their own inabilities to think for themselves. Not what another states as their opinion.

[@fishingismydrug1]

@@Bobbysheresomewhere Does one have to be "for something" to obtain knowledge about a subject? - No. Are you trying to insinuate you where "obtaining knowledge" by watching the video, then making a statement? Not asking any questions? Do you obtain knowledge by asking questions, or making statements? Is one only allowed to comment if they agree with the message? - No. I never said that. Stop trying to speak for me. Sound familiar? You stating you've had boats for 30 years and call a sit on boat, a kayak is interesting. As a kayak is defined as a boat you sit in, not on. - Not the complete definition, but ok. Why is me calling a "sit on boat" a kayak interesting? Please elaborate. Finally why would you take it upon yourself to think you can speak for me by assuming I'm trying to sway anyone. - You made a statement. Look in the mirror, you tried this with me. My opinion on the subject is entirely mine and meant only to reflect my belief. - True. Why even bring this up? If it sways you or anyone else, I'd be inclined to think one is not a free thinking person and perhaps should consider concentrating on their own inabilities to think for themselves. Not what another states as their opinion. - How else are we supposed to form opinions? Make informed decisions? If we don't learn from others, we'll never move forward. Learn from what others have experienced. Are you insinuating I'm not a "free thinking person"? I have an "inability" to think for myself? Or does this only apply to people that call "boats" "kayaks"? Both? Why did you not reply to thebeardedpaddler? What name what you approve for these "vessels" or "boats" to be called?

[@Mike-ew9zn]

Can buy a boat the same size for the same money and enjoy with a friend… 🙄

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Thanks for watching!

[@anthonyvespia6662]

Really awesome points. I wanted the Jonny bass boat 100. I couldn't find one for 2yrs. They went up to $1300.00. Now they're everywhere for $1,300.00 with the Pod motor and beaver tail rudder. I have friends that have transferred from bass boats to amazing motorized 12ft, PDL drives. 😎 🛶 🎣

[@thebeardedpaddler]

Stay tuned. A lot of great stuff on the way