Is the Rolling Shutter On the A7iv that Bad? (Full Frame & APS-C Test)

[@uptown3636]

Thank you for showing the rolling shutter effects on more realistic camera movements. So many creators just shake the camera around and say "yep, rolling shutter problems." You really helped me feel confident that the a7iv will suit my shooting style without turning my footage into jello salad. Also, great job on the color grade. As a first-time viewer about to subscribe, I can't wait to see more of your work.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Thanks so much for watching! Makes me happy to hear it has helped you out with getting confidence to get the a7iv! I’ve loved mine and have done plenty of photos and videos with it on here that can have many more examples. I appreciate you being here! ❤️

[@EasyTigerCreative]

So what did you think of the rolling shutter? I only noticed it when I did super harshly when vlogging in the beginning at 1:14 but otherwise, most of it was perfectly usable in real settings haha hope you enjoy!

[@WalkAndBikeEU]

if you compare it to A1, the rolling shutter is just unacceptable. At FX 4k 24FPS it is even worse than A7iii

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@WalkAndBikeEU the a1 is $6,500 compared to $2,500 for the a7iv so kinda not a real comparison there haha but that’s just me.

[@pckbls]

I remember having watched this video before I bought my Sony A7cii (same sensor and same issues as the A7iv) and was a little skeptical of how much of an issue rolling shutter is going to be as I intended to shoot motor sports. Luckily I can confirm that it is NOT a pratical issue at all if you know how to work around it. As I need the higher frame rate for slow motion purposes I shoot the action stuff in exclusively 4k50 which forces me to use APS-C crop mode. Sensor readout speed in that mode is much faster than in full frame mode. Also I pipe all my footage through GyroFlow (or Sony's Catalyst Browse software) which leverages the gyro metadata in the video file to a) stabilize the clip and b) completely eliminate any left-over rolling shutter. I've made some tests and it can even correct fast pans taken in full frame video mode. Thanks again for the video, I'm very happy with my decision having bought that camera. ✌

[@EasyTigerCreative]

That’s awesome to hear! Happy that you had stumbled on my video and that it helped you a little bit bit to make your decision. I’ve been contemplating on getting the a7cii lately just have a smaller condensed full frame camera but so far I haven’t been able to commit to buying it since Ihave three full frame cameras by Sony 😂

[@WideGamutMedia]

how does gyro stabilization data help rolling shutter ? I don't get it.

[@sidehustlers336]

The crop footage looked great. I did notice the jello background with the full frame while walking but not horrible

[@ViralVideos-pr2oi]

As a filmmaker I’m not making fast whip pans like that. So I’m really not worried about it. Thanks for the video.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Glad to hear! Thanks for watching! ❤️

[@TheEtbetween]

Excellent point! I think the rolling shutter is being over emphasize!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@TheEtbetween I think the average person watching won’t even notice it haha

[@alanw.4511]

The advantage of shooting video in APS-C is that the video is sharper and there is less rolling shutter compared to full frame.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I’ve actually noticed myself shooting apsc mode when I want to just do more cropped in and movement with this camera and has worked out for me well!

[@frankenstein2735]

how would that make video sharper lol its the same sensor, same lens

[@alanw.4511]

@@frankenstein2735kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKPRnGiupsSLpdksi=r_rsPxtGMatbqW8h There is a good explanation in the comments.

[@Giovanni-Giorgio]

It doesn't make the video sharper. It crops towards the center, the sharpest region of lenses. But the crop also makes the video a bit less sharp. For that film / cinema look good enough as many 'photography' lenses are pretty sharp compared to cinema lenses.

[@77dris]

The only people that notice rolling shutter are photographers/videographers; audiences usually couldn't care less. I've watched some very popular Netflix series (Mr Robot comes to mind) that have had scenes with much worse rolling shutter than seen here. My gf didn't even know what rolling shutter was until I pointed it out to her several times and then she went "ooooh, OK.... so what? " So if multimillion dollar productions of the most popular shows can put up with rolling shutter, so can KZbinrs and wedding videographers.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

So true! Haha creators will always be the ones to judge the most about it but in all reality our audience will always be people who just admire the art and don’t over analyze it and strip it apart that intensely.

[@desistars7089]

sir I am asking that in cameras we have rolling shutter as frame does not captured at same time but different moment of time and speed at which frame become in rolling shutter is called read out speed which is normally 20ms . so I am asking if we have shutter speed 1/16sec or 60ms .then frame has information bw 0 to 20ms or 0 to 60ms

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Sorry I don’t think I understand your comment! So not sure how I could help!

[@Navs_Music]

Can someone confirm , if the camera was placed in a gimbal & taking a running shot of the subject does it still create the rolling shutter issue? I understand that only rigorous handheld movements will cause it but just wanted to know if this can happen in gimbal as well?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I haven’t had much issues myself but even with a gimbal or somewhat sudden moves I haven’t really noticed the rolling shutter.

[@Navs_Music]

@@EasyTigerCreative Thanks for replying bro much appreciated!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@Navs_Music happy to! Hope it helps!

[@imranalijafar]

Can you recommend a lens or two for A7IV crop mode. I am considering that camera for 4k 60fps . But any kit lens or zoom lens would not cover the wide angel for 4k 60 fps due to 1.5x crop.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

If you want an apsc lens that could work well that covers from 17-70mm in apsc mode which would be 25-105, then I’d get that Tamron 17-70 f2.8! This is the link for it in case you wanted to check it out and read more on it! amzn.to/3IiZAy0

[@imranalijafar]

@@EasyTigerCreative What about 11-20 mm by Tamron at f2.8, giving 16.5 mm to 30 mm ? Have you used that lens? Pairing it with kit 28 mm to 70 mm which comes with the camera?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@imranalijafar I personally haven’t used those two, but I know Tamron has had some great zoom lenses. I own only Tamron lenses now so I don’t think you could go wrong with the 11-20!

[@imranalijafar]

@@EasyTigerCreative Thank you so much. It will be really good if u make a vlog address this concern where people are looking into this option to manage but crop and full frame mode

[@TheMysticSpade]

A sigma 16mm 1.4 for APSC on this will be a 24mm equivalent. If you’re really wanting something wider the Sony 10-18 f4 for apsc will get you the ultra wide look and have autofocus.

[@fredefilms9475]

Honestly not horrible. I can work with this for sure! Also I love your color grace!!!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

It’s been very great to have this camera! Ever since I did that video I’ve used it a ton and it’s still amazing to me! And thank you! It’s my own LUT I created called “like a film” 😁 I have it in my description if it ever interests you!

[@PascalPayantfilms]

Any bad luck with overheating if you shoot all day or not really?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I personally haven’t had any issues but I also haven’t had it run that long consistently when shooting. Only time it “overheated” was when I used it as a webcam with my PC but then I changed the heat sensitivity and haven’t had it reappear

[@ShobaSadler]

I notice your movements only deal with shaking. However when I shot my video with my Sony ZV E-10 at 24 fps at 50 shutter speed, the image became out of focus when I panned across and then quickly got back to focus again when I stopped panning. I didn't notice any 'out-of-focus' issues when you moved from one scene to another. Do you know why that is happening with me please? Do you think I should stop down the aperture [higher aperture]?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

It might just be the camera that you have! Never used the ZV line of cameras but not sure how good it is compared to the a7iv! Also could be your focus style that you use

[@matrixate]

The rolling shutter wasn't as bad as I was expecting. I have the A7S3 and there's no comparison, this camera is not nearly as good BUT, like you said, I would never pan that aggressively. This was a great review. This looks like a great B-cam for A7S3 users that need a Full Frame camera.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Definitely agree! Really love this camera to pair with my a7siii for video but then also solid photos!

[@MukotokotoFilm]

question what filter are using to block out soo much sun?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I use the variable ND by moment 2-5 stops and then I have another one that I’ll sometimes use that I think is a bower? Can’t remember

[@MukotokotoFilm]

@@EasyTigerCreative thank you boss man!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@MukotokotoFilm I have the link of all my gear that I use daily on the description always in case you want to see other stuff too 😁🤘

[@Canada151337]

Ah the perfect video! I'm into sports and with the fair weather season about to start here in Canada motocross is one of my jams, was curious if I'd have super slanty background but I think in APSC mode I'll be good enough (until I can justify getting a videocentric camera😅) Most other reviewers just talk about the rolling shutter, they dont actually show high speed pans of it! Thank you!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Glad to hear this helped you in some way! Definitely think you’ll be more than fine! I use it for my tennis academy and pan when the kids are moving around and haven’t had issues that anyone called out since 99% of the time nobody even looks for it 😂

[@tanzeelakbar4566]

is Sony A7cii rolling shutter better than A7iv?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I sadly haven’t tested it so I wouldn’t be able to answer about that personally.

[@rmrfboy]

so does this rolling shutter happens on 24fps? higher FPS are ok?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

It happens kind of with all of them but only if you exaggerate the panning from what I saw. Nothing too extreme I guess for me.

[@rmrfboy]

@@EasyTigerCreative I'll be using the camera for basketball. Do you reckon this camera is not suited for that? I really love the look on a7c ii. I hate sony's DSLR look for the other model

[@philvfilms]

A7siii for sports

[@fluxcapacitor3273]

thanks for the video, you just pushed it to extremes and to me quite good results, nothing to be worried about at all.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Thanks for watching! I’m glad I was able to help 😁

[@ronrotunno2901]

Thanks for the video, it seemed to look good. My question is does this camera (and whatever level of rolling shutter that it has) affect still photography? Thanks!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I haven’t had any issues with it unless you do silent shooting then it kinda can warp it but that’s almost any camera on silent shutter mode!

[@bouzav]

Thanks man.. great video. Rolling shutter on this camera doesn't really seem as bad (in normal use) as some other reviews are making it out to be.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Appreciate you watching Victor! And yea I feel like some like to exaggerate to just make everything more intense for views I guess but I mean with normal usage I didn’t really notice it how many were talking how “bad” it was haha

[@k3rkis]

so which means that apsc mode holds in better?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I mean I think either is almost equal to me. Just depends how harsh you move honestly haha

[@mohbati9139]

This is really helpful. I'm a a6400 owner and really trying to be a filmmaker and photographer. I think this would be a lot as an upgrade step. I own Tamron 28-75 and sony prime 16mm1.4

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I’m glad to hear that! I think you’ll love the a7iv since it’ll have a good mix of full frame and apsc!

[@JoseFrescobar]

I think this is the video that's going to make me buy this camera over a7siii, even though I love the a7siii, I need better picture quality plus the 1000$ difference on a budget, is almost a no brainer, the rolling shutter is definitely noticeable in extreme pans but in reality how often are you really going to be using that? Thanks for this great video now I just got to check the 120 fps performance and I'm solid on my decision 👌🏽

[@EasyTigerCreative]

That’s awesome to hear! I did make a video comparing the 120fps on the a7siii in 4k vs a7iv in 1080 to maybe help you out! Here it is! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqnaeqWbbrCVhac Also made a video only using the a7iv where I combines 4k 24 & 60 and also 1080p 120fps to hopefully help! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYvYaGp8e8tlmKM

[@JoseFrescobar]

@@EasyTigerCreative I watched it already brother, I'm definitely getting this camera, thanks for clearing this things out for us, the only small compromise is the 120 fps 10 bit in s&q where you can't get the audio, mostly for weddings and things like that where you never know if they are going to say something interesting, but hey external audio recorder might do the trick, by the way quick question for you, if you export this 120 fps 10 bit s&q on a 24fps timeline, it plays normally right not in slomo? Thanks again bro!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@JoseFrescobar well perfect then! Totally makes sense! And well you can just do an external recording too! That could help out! And when you shoot 120fps in s&q mode you set it in camera that you want it to be in camera exported as 24 fps or whatever you’d like so when you import it it’ll be in that. So for example if I put in camera with the s&q mode for 120fps to save it as a 24fps video then it’s already slowed down for me so when I put into my timeline of 24fps it’s already slowed down for me but you can put it in s&q mode to save it as 120fps to slow it down yourself later too basically if you’d prefer.

[@JoseFrescobar]

@@EasyTigerCreative thanks for the quick reply bro, subscribing right now! Footage and tests look awesome, Sony should definitely be sending you stuff to review you did a great job! 👍🏼

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@JoseFrescobar appreciate that a lot! Maybe one day when the channel grows more they’ll look into it 😁

[@chudakorovlive7521]

Bro ! thanks a lot ! I want to buy an A7iv and i was afraid about rolling shutter, but i see its ok! Not bad at all )

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Glad it helped! 😁

[@firpofutbol]

What about photos though?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I haven’t had any issues either! If you go to my Instagram all my photos are basically taken with the a7iv!

[@firpofutbol]

@@EasyTigerCreative Your photos are nice although I do not see fast action shots and sports like I intend to do. How would it perform in that environment?

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@firpofutbol the most fast action shots I used it for was for tennis here kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKC6c42MqduKgZo

[@BTHAlaska]

Great video! I shoot snowmobile content and I don’t find my self panning that harshly. But every other review made me feel like the rolling shutter was going to be way worse than what it is. Thank you! 🙏

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Glad it could help!!

[@WilliamAbbate]

It seems the whole rolling shutter issue is mostly nonsense and I seriously doubt it would be a problem with 99.9% of us. Those that complain are just that, complainers. Thanks for you honest review!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I totally agree! I would’ve never noticed it at all unless you make it super harsh on your panning to make it look bad. I think it’s great how it is and just with normal uses you wouldn’t be able to tell. Thank you for watching! Appreciate it!

[@TheEtbetween]

Excellent point!

[@moonrisegazer]

Thank you 😊

[@sidehustlers336]

Your reviews are cool. Since you have the 35-150 do you have a review on it? Thanks.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Thank you! I appreciate that a lot. And yes I’ve done quite a few! Here’s are some of them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYmtlXmVopuUm9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/bF60iWtuhdKViZI kzbin.info/www/bejne/hH6VdXyhmsR1Y7s And got more if you check them out on the channel 😁

[@pikix]

I think i had similar problems with my 6kpro, so now... it doesnt botter me at all.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

That makes sense! I honestly didn’t think it was too bad unless you go too hard somehow haha

[@pikix]

@@EasyTigerCreative have you watched EUPHORIA there are a lot of scenes with a huge amount of rolling shutter, and it is not a problem at all.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@pikix I haven’t seen the show honestly but that’s cool that they let it be in the show then! Nothing wrong with having some “flaws” I guess. Makes it more relatable to people I’m sure.

[@pikix]

@@EasyTigerCreative Yeah, im always watching new things just to grab some ideas, and for sure they have a organic and filmic look going on. I think if you work with sports this probably would be a problem but, even like this, its not thaaaaat baaad. Tks for the video

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@pikix that’s so true! I’ll have to test it at my tennis academy!

[@jespersichlau4343]

To be honest I'm surprised I didn't really notice it. If this was one clip among others in content that othervise was intriguing I wouldn't worry about the rolling shutter (unless of course you do sports).

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Totally agree!! I’ll have to test it at my tennis academy to see if I notice it badly or not haha but otherwise I didn’t notice it heavily.

[@PinkstonFilms]

My 24-105mm f4 G OSS and 70-200mm G OSS lenses have no issues but prime lenses, yes, especially 50mm and higher. But since I use those lenses mentioned earlier for handheld run and gun video, I don’t have issues and if I’m using primes, then I use a gimbal like I did on my A7RIII.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

That’s pretty interesting! Good to know so thank you for sharing!!

[@PinkstonFilms]

@@EasyTigerCreative I shoot lots of concerts with those lenses and if I pan I will also zoom in/out as I’m panning so that kind of movement helps negate any rolling shutter as well.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@PinkstonFilms I’ll have to try that sometime then!

[@haixian699]

Yeah I thought this would be way worse . Not a deal breaker for me

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Glad to hear that!

[@joepatnaude6050]

thing is almost all rolling shutter can be fixed with software if people looking to use footage straight from camera with out post production then they should just use their phone

[@EasyTigerCreative]

So true!

[@joepatnaude6050]

@@EasyTigerCreative even most Hollywood cine cams that cost over 8 grand have rolling shutter lol

[@npgnibalabe1552]

not the jello background😢

[@EasyTigerCreative]

It’s not horrible haha but just gotta learn to use the camera to its benefits

[@sstteevveenn77]

I know you kept saying those movements weren’t “realistic” but I sort of disagree. For many people that shoot sports or action sequences like sports product ads for example, the rolling shutter on the a74 is almost unusable. I agree that for everything else it’s perfectly ok. But I still think those quick panning/movements are most definitely realistic & are often used for professional work especially in ads. Great vid!

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I can totally understand that! Definitely for the average user they won’t pan that heavily. More niched like sports and action I totally agree you’d be going that hard and heavy haha so I totally can understand that being unusable for people. Glad you enjoyed the video and appreciate your comment! 😁

[@Yupthereitism]

Nah

[@darkpixelstudios]

take a shot of tequila every time he sayes "kinda" .. kinda great video bro!! just started to sub ;)

[@EasyTigerCreative]

😂😂😂thanks bro! Hope you took enough shots. Apparently I say a lot of random filler words without realizing. Learned to do that when learning English 😂 appreciate you watching ❤️

[@thisiserich]

Hahaha. Right out of the gate with your examples I find it hilarious that anyone complains about this. Who films anything while moving the camera that fast all the time? No one. If something like that is going on it’s for a split second and isn’t noticeable to anyone but people looking for it. I guess if you’re filming sports or car races from far away and zooming into 200mm you may notice it. But even then, you’re not moving the camera fast because you’re far away. If you’re up close and using a wider lens, then it may be a tad noticeable but for real, it’s not. It’s classic overreaction to something that isn’t a big deal. Maybe if you’re filming a rocket sled that can break the sound barrier through a forest or Manhattan, then you may want to look for a different camera.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Haha exactly man! Totally agree on that! I love my a7iv honestly despite whatever flaws people complain. Sometimes I feel like people just want to complain to be part of that crew somehow haha I mean I’ve done short films with my a7iv and haven’t seen any issues honestly.

[@thisiserich]

@@EasyTigerCreative Sony shot an entire Hollywood movie on the A7SII, and we all know how that has rolling shutter “problems” too. It didn’t matter. The camera still managed to create a masterpiece. It’s called The Possession of Hannah Grace. If you want a camera with no rolling shutter wobble then you either have to spend 8 grand or completely forego doing photography with it. The A7IV is amazing in that it’s truly a hybrid camera that’s referred to as the baby A1.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@thisiserich that’s awesome! I’ll have to check the film out! And true I mean if you want a camera that is truly cinematic without rolling shutter then they’ll have to fork over the cash. I think people obsess with the specs more than learning to create with anything they have available. I do believe the gear doesn’t matter when it comes to creating but having the gear that helps you create more efficiently is the best. Most people forget they have to know how to use the camera,how to light the scenes, the story line and everything else. To be having these cameras are a luxury to aid myself to create faster and efficient. And true! The a7iv is a perfect hybrid camera for me with the price range. It truly is a baby a1!

[@thisiserich]

@@EasyTigerCreative Completely agree. I’ve been doing stuff for 20 years now and just recently decided to take it seriously and try and make something of myself with it. I’ve got a lot to learn and I’m definitely a novice at the moment, but getting this camera has boosted my confidence and opened a huge world of creativity to me. I’m already planning some solo shoots to kickstart a portfolio for myself. I’ve spent the last ten years as a designer and digital artist, and am currently an art director for a huge agency but I’m growing very tired of sitting at a computer for 10 hours a day. I decided it’s time for me to get out and start making some moves in the area I want to be in, which is content creation, cinematography, photography, etc. I can’t think of a better tool to help me venture into that than the a7iv.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

@@thisiserich well that’s awesome! I think you’ll do great with this camera. I know being in front of a screen for that many hours sounds like it could be stressing but I’m sure it could be nice to have an opportunity to get more flexibility with your job soon enough to be able to create and also do some work. I’d hope that job is remote so you could travel and create too!

[@ExploreTravelTV]

well first I got a little nauseous watching it lol. second no one is or should ever move the camera like that while filming, was ok for vlogging. I think the real only issue maybe fast moving object going across the screen while camera is still. Like a train or something. if you are tracking an item, like a bird, car, bike etc then the focus should be on the subject and most wouldn't know any of the background. if doing a whip pan as a transition then again most wouldn't notice it

[@EasyTigerCreative]

I totally feel you haha but yea for the most part you don’t really notice it as bad as others had made it seem.

[@wickedclamor4882]

You got a like for dancing like a nut.😁

[@ThanosSiozos]

Jello world, man. Too bad for a $2500 camera. Fans will cope.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Yea I mean I’ve been fine with it honestly. Nobody has really mentioned it for any client work or any of my videos so I’m sure it’ll be fine 😂

[@AlphaCentauri24]

Yep. It's bad.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

It can be for sure if you move too fast! I don’t personally pan fast like that usually so I haven’t been bothered by it but sometimes I do notice it more after all this time now haha

[@R66Snowy]

Fucking jello from the first frame! i hate this technology.

[@EasyTigerCreative]

Sorry to hear!