Is There A Problem? SSDs Affected By Swap Memory on M1 Macs

[@SaraSara-xh4hl]

liked and didnt skip the ads... I hightly appreciate the research you've put into this

[@Techkhamun]

Damn Sara!! You are one amazing legend!! Thank you so much ✌🏽

[@atvarsgr]

My observation is, that apps not optimised for M1 tend to use 2-4x more RAM that M1 optimised, there fore causing more RAM swapping. I have Mac mini M1 16Gb/512Gb, I am using it as a Web bot (1.5/1.5Tb upload/download traffic/monthly generated). Previously was using Python 3.8 +Selenium via Firefox (21 parallel browser sessions, around 1Gb of RAM each). It was running Python via Rosetta 2, even Firefox was native, when launched from Python, it was also running via Rosetta, and it generated over 2Tb/month written to SSD. Now, when in mid Feb Apple Silicon optimised version of Python was released, I switched to Python 3.9.2 +Selenium via Chrome, now all runs native on M1 (each browser session takes about 200-250Mb of RAM), and no RAM swapping any more, and during last 2 weeks around 250Gb written to SSD. Means, 4x less than with previous version of Python via Rosetta 2. So, I think more apps becomes optimised, this problem will disappear

[@Techkhamun]

Perfect comment on the subject! I love to hear this from other Mac users, the more information we share, the better we can understand the true nature of this issue 👌🏽

[@ginobean737]

This makes a lot of sense. Just off the top of my head, knowing little/nothing about Rosetta 2, except that it translates x86 Mac code into M1 code, dynamically, in real time, if it works similar to a just in time, type compiler, for a given app, it may have to keep the original x86 code in memory, plus the just-in-time translated M1 code in memory, plus additional data structures, such as lookup tables, to handle mappings and translations. So that if the x86 code needs to branch to certain address, Rosetta 2 would need to store that address as well as the corresponding address for the M1 version, in memory. So, original x86 code + real time translated M1 code + Rosetta 2 data structures to facilitate the dynamic mappings and translations, in real time, would explain the 2-4 times more RAM requirement identified by @Atvars Grinins. And if you have multiple Rosetta 2 apps running in memory, what previously had fit comfortably within a 16 gigabyte memory space may now no longer fit, in which case, you start getting swapping.. And, personally, I am not a fan of swapping. Back in the days of hard drives, whenever my Linux system started swapping to disk, performance usually went down to unusable levels, so much so that I was usually better off simply disabling swapping and keeping the number of concurrent apps below a certain threshold.. One simple test/experiment that M1 users may want to try is to simply disable swapping and see what happens. Obviously there will be a lower limit on the number of concurrent apps that they can run, but it would be interesting to see what this concurrent apps limit is, whether it is in the 5-10 range or higher/lower. Also, if they disable swap, and the SSD disk writes attenuate significantly, even with equivalent app usage, that would be a smoking gun..

[@haroldafricano795]

Brilliant of you to realize all of this.... Thank you for the information you are providing us. Never knew this TBW until saw this video

[@Techkhamun]

That’s awesome!!! Thank you so much! Yeah a lot of math and a keen eye but I’m so glad this helped and you learnt something new, it’s exactly why I started the channel!!

[@NicVandEmZ]

@@Techkhamun I check few Macs in my house and the old iMacs with older software also used swap memory like the m1 Mac but a lot of people don’t seam to look at all that apple has been using swap memory for years already

[@monara97]

holy cow. Okay. now we need some wealthy KZbinr to buy an M1 mac with 256GB SSD and start writing till it fails. who would that be?

[@miraaktm8813]

good thought!

[@dilmanfarkhad5170]

also thought about it

[@tolgatelli1529]

Thank you for this video, I think , swap memory is no problem, Because; I'm software developer, I use MacBook Air base model for main machine, Daily use and screen time is 10hours; Netcore Angular, VS Code Nativescript, Postgres, Android Emulator ve iOS Emulator, Safari 2-3 tabs vs, Anydesk, Mail , My Mac write only 2.03TB for 25 days ,percentage is used 0% :)

[@Techkhamun]

Amazing comment Tolga, I love this kind of feedback! I am thinking of doing some kind of poll to gather more information from my audience and this kind of info can only help others so I really appreciate your input 😊

[@JohnnyMotel99]

My MBA with 8GB RAM and usage for browser, KZbin, email etc. Nothing heavy duty. I've had it new for one month. 1% used and about 13TB written.

[@cemo3616]

Yani çok takma ssd ölmez boş yapıyorlar mı diyorsun tolga reis

[@tolgatelli1529]

@@cemo3616 Ssd de ölür ama kullanım ömrü konusunda Apple hiç bir üründe hiç kimseyi üzmedi ,Apple sadece; iPhone pil süresi konusunda üzüyor..

[@cemo3616]

@@tolgatelli1529 dostum 16gb ramli 256gb ssdili air almayı düşünüyorum 6-7 sene beni götürsün yeter teşekkür ederim cevabın için :)

[@mykeekym]

I have downloaded drivedx and found that i have written 11.8 tb of data since December 2020. Now its still at 100%. Using m1 8gb unified with 512gb rom.

[@RichardHorpe]

Basically it's not too bad, but lots of KZbinrs who have been recommending people to get the base model to edit 4K should definitely stop.

[@Techkhamun]

Yeh it’s not as bad as everyone thinks as you can see by the math but I still think 4K video editing on 8GB is okay if you are someone who is doing a video a week or two as honestly a 5/6 hours editing session isn’t going to hurt a Mac but if you are someone who edits 2 or videos every week then 16GB is better for sure

[@fishreact]

No. They absolutely shouldn't, what an utterly absurd comment. I've editing thousands of 4K on a 2015 Retina MBP with 8GB between 2015 and 2017, but this new machine which is several times more powerful can't do the same tasks as a six year old machine without it breaking? If a computer is damaged by users running software on it, the problem is with the computer, not the users.

[@hasaam]

After watching this, I'm glad I went with the 1TB option of the M1 MB Pro!

[@Techkhamun]

Haha 😂 glad I helped! But honestly it’s not as big of a deal as the media makes out but the scary headlines always make for more eyeballs 😂 thanks for the comment dude 👌🏽

[@hasaam]

@@Techkhamun haha, of course - I’m fully expecting to get a good 5/6/7 years of solid performance out of these machines (fingers crossed). Love your content man!

[@Techkhamun]

Thanks dude! I hope to keep the content interesting and factual! And I really hope you’re enjoying your Mac!

[@gaurabtalukdar7798]

@@Techkhamun I do my University work in ms-word and PowerPoint and i use chrome with around 7 to 8 tabs(sometimes 10). Ido this on daily basis !! So which ram version of M1 MacBook air should i buy 8gb or 16gb varient?? Also should i be worried about heavy ssd swapping with this kind of multitasking.

[@anuragjangam]

@@gaurabtalukdar7798 16

[@paulamoskreiner]

8gb memory, 512 GB SSD. 7.0 TB over 9 days. > ~ 670 GB per 24 hours. using a 1440p monitor. not doing anything RAM intensive, no editing, no nothing. not using Chrome. only rosetta application is google drive (google backup & sync).

[@shyamsundarshrestha7590]

Thank you..I had a great frustration related to it...now it's gone.

[@johnadams3038]

It’s not good to frustrate yourself over small things like this, not good for your soul :))

[@ferrianrp]

My mba has written 3.4 TB since i get it 23 Feb 2021. (Android studio with 2 windows, emulator, safari 4+ tabs, spotify) 8+ hours / day

[@Techkhamun]

Thank you so much for this information!! This honestly helps! It looks like my recommendation to stay from Rosetta application in this video was a good recommendation as it does seem to be causing this, other commentators from my awesome audience (including you of course!) have confirmed this

[@henriquebs12]

Excellent, clean, direct and technical video!

[@GaneshJU]

Well done and good work. Scientist level analysis. Test, analyse results, performs comparison, make recommendations, conclusions. Reassuringly, good. Excellent formula for the video. You are doing very well and keep up the good work. The TBW - is an average lifespan. Some drives could be more and some could be less. It is a median TBW value.

[@Techkhamun]

Thank you very much! I try to keep any opinion out of these videos and let the data and numbers drive my conclusions, and yes exactly I did explain that at the end of the video that a lot of drives last far longer than this number, it’s more for a manufacturer to set a limit for its warranty I would say, tests have shown drives lasting 20x the TBW!

[@ThePianist51]

I think the biggest issue is we didn’t know how ARM devices work in general. We don’t use our phones in such an intensive way like we are going to use new ARM PCs. :-/

[@lonx6770]

mbp 256! mostly used for swift development, little of youtube, pages, vscode bought 3 weeks ago write 650 gb

[@martin-drt]

So if my calculations are correct, 124 years of lifespan 😂

[@keifercosta171]

Explained such an important topic so nicely I didn't knew much about TBW but now I do. nice one bro 👌 always waiting to see what comes next from ur channel 👍

[@Techkhamun]

That’s awesome bro! And I’m so glad you learnt something new! This video took a little while to come up with but I wanted to make sure I was given the best advice 😊

[@Gamez4eveR]

8GB MacBook Air. Unity+Jetbrains Rider+Logic Pro X+Bitwig Studio 4 days old *5TBW* It's not mine so I've only been playing around with the machine but it's certain I'm getting a 16GB MacBook for myself.

[@aronfaine9457]

reckon any of those apps are using Rosetta? Seems like Rosetta uses tons of RAM, even maxing out 16GB models. Maxing out RAM will lead to swap usage. See if you can use Spotify Web, instead of the app. And of course Logic Pro X is native, but how many tracks you running? Lots of tracks can lead to hitting swap, during editing.

[@Gamez4eveR]

@@aronfaine9457 Yeah, Unity and Rider and Bitwig all use Rosetta. Rider was slowing down to a crawl regularly until I stopped indexing in Spotlight for the folders I have my projects in. Like, legit, my entire system would get slower than Windows XP on a broken hard drive whenever I decided to create a new file in Rider. After disabling Spotlight indexing it more or less flies. I'm getting a 16GB MacBook (unless there's a new one shown on the 23rd that has 32GB, but I doubt that) for these reasons. Even on simple projects I see Rider taking upwards of 4-5GB

[@AnalogFlava]

now I wonder if using rosetta on my MacBook Pro 2018 was the reason why Ableton worked so bad, would this be the issue? or maybe rosetta was not a thing back then on intel Macs?@@Gamez4eveR

[@teeI0ck]

showing an accurate and deep understanding; great perceptive. Thank you for all the insightful information. 💡

[@Techkhamun]

Thank you so much! I try to base everything on the information available to me and try to keep any biases out! Plus I’m such a geek sometimes so I guess that helps hahaha

[@ronitbanerjee2678]

It has been long since I heard from you... By the way, Nice and Informative video... The background is looking better than before too👍

[@dy7296]

If the arm mac lineup offers slotted/replaceable ram and ssd, I will buy them no doubt. For some people who believed that ARM chips really require different ram type and different storage type... It's a myth. As an example, a low-end chromebook has a phone-like lpddr4, and phone-like eMMc storage, and it has an x86 processor. And vice versa, an ARM server exists with full size ddr4 ECC slots on its side. And surely Tons of SSDs connected through a full-size PCIe.

[@r.s9556]

M1 Mac with 16 gb ram shows zero swap usage even when playing multiple games on it and even if an app is left open for couple of days in the background it handles it really well left it on standby it has amazing battery life. Always have latest updates installed on your device and any bugs will be fixed automatically and go for the 16 gb variant if you’re using it for heavy tasks.

[@projectcalmofficial]

I'm getting worried because my 16 GB RAM M1 Air loves to use swap memory a lot too! I don't even know why, it looks like a mistake in a whole strategy of using swap. It just likes to keep background processes in swap memory even when I'm doing almost nothing or doing basic tasks like web-browsing and watching videos. It currently uses 976,5 MB of swap and the only thing I have opened now is safari with only one tab which is this video. I'm just asking myself and Apple why the hell would I buy the more expensive 16 GB model to have this issue. And smartctl says the amount of read and written data is 42,7 TB and 6,07 TB respectively (I've been using this MacBook for 2,5 months, it's not a big deal yet, but I'm scared. The exact model is M1 MBA, 8C GPU, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD).

[@alexalucard1611]

It looks like the swap memory has the same impact between the 8 GB and 16 GB RAM version 16 GB of RAM only makes a difference if you need it now for heavy workload For me the smartest choice is to upgrade the SSD to 512 GB

[@Bambotb]

@@alexalucard1611 so 256gb won't last more than 3 years ?

[@siddharthgautam8280]

I LOVED this video, the research and presentation and everything is top notch. Fastest Subscribe ever.

[@michal4750]

Techkhamun, thank you for a lot of knowledge from your channel. You're doing a great job. If someone is interested, I hope to temporarily fix the macbook m1 memory swap problem when using Lightroom Classic. I checked at home, before this step the memory conversion usage was absurdly high, reaching 10 GB at the very start of Lightroom Classic. Any edition and export was the amount of about 30 GB for one photo, it is easy to count how much data is saved for the photographer. In one day, when I edited a dozen photos, almost 1TB of data was saved for several hours. For me it helped disabling GPU support in Lightroom Classic settings. I have tested and the editing speed has not suffered, it is just as convenient to edit photos. Export is just as fast. But nothing goes into SWAP memory, which is satisfying to me. All parameters and temperature in the activity tracker are good. I hope Adobe will fix this problem. For now, this is how I will use Lightroom Classic.

[@Smashingpumpins]

Okay so I got a Mac Air M1, for exactly *15 days* and this is the data I got on SENSEI APP, which doesn't lie, because I used another app before and told me the same number of Readed Gbs.. Data units read: 1.2 TB Data units written: 853 GB Percentage used: 0% Cicles: 8

[@oz7251]

Hello, could you uptade your percentage used now ? And for what u use it ? Thank you :)

[@KevinMillard68]

the best way to avoid the problem is 16 gigs of ram and run programs 1 at a time and don't push things to where you do hit swap or vm as its really called and you Will be fine for years and years of use from your system and ssd

[@Gadgetsu]

Thank you so much for making this video Mike! Super detailed and informative! Gives me and other consumers a piece of mind when purchasing a MacBook in the future! 😁

[@techwithme2544]

Thanks man ! Reading all that articles i was a bit scared and was thinking of canceling my 16gb/256gb macbook air m1 ! But now i know that its not that big of a problem ! I don't even do video editing ..Just a programmer !

[@Techkhamun]

Glad this video helped you out! And I’m the type of person that reads something and have to do my own tests and math on the subject as news article can over exaggerate for the views, I prefer sticking to the facts even if it’s not going to get the biggest reaction 😊 thanks dude for the comment and I hope you stick around the channel!! 😊✌🏽

[@techwithme2544]

@@Techkhamun Subscribed! You are too hard working man!! Keep up the good work..

[@on_wheels_80]

One of the biggest problems: This issue is going to destroy those (including my own) machines' resale value.

[@WhittyPics]

TOTALLY overblown. Your M1 Mac will be obsolete before you wear out the SSD

[@on_wheels_80]

@@WhittyPics The actual "damage" is less of a problem. The rate it's going on my machine, its lifetime left indicator will be at 70-80% when I sell it in 3 years. However, since everybody and his uncle is reporting on the "issue", there's going to be an unfounded bad public perception about the longevity of M1 Macs. Until now, it's not unusual for Mac laptops to sell at 50% sticker price after 3 years, while PC becomes virtually worthless at that age. That difference is solely founded on public perception - justified or not.

[@Dan-sw8tg]

@@WhittyPics lol I wanna meet a person whose SSD died because of too much written data. We are all talking about it but does it really happen to people on a large scale? Does everyone keep their PCs and Notebooks for like 10 years?

[@Maximara]

Thank you for putting some basic logic back into this whole mess. It does raise a disturbing question - can most of the people giving these numbers do basic math? I mean 1% for 2 months (3:04) is 100% in 200 months or 16.6 *years* .

[@Jackson_M5]

You dont know their usage profile. So this comment is nonsensical. I run large machine learning projects on my pc since November and I'm hitting 3.7 TBW. I can just clone and swap out my nvme ssd in a few years if I need to without bricking my entire system because things arent soldered to the mobo. The fact that you guys are ok with being screwed over by Apple at every turn so they can make a fat profit is borderline Stockholm syndrome.

[@Jackson_M5]

Your carbon and electronic waste footprint must be insanely massive. You probably are in the upper quantile of polluters in the world.

[@Maximara]

@@Jackson_M5 Their usage profile doesn't matter as we have the numbers and the math is on middle school level. Unless their usage jumps dramatically 1% in 2 month results in 100% in 200 months.

[@Maximara]

​@@Jackson_M5 Where on Earth did this come from? I gave my old computers I couldn't sale either to relatives (my brother has my old 2007 iMac) or to one of those resale places. How does that make my electronic waste footprint insanely massive on anything resembling Planet Logic?

[@hoangnguyendinh1107]

The video stated that the TBW is 15.7 TB for 2 months = 1/6 yr. Normal 256GB SSD TBW lifespan (samsung or other brands) is about 150-250 TB (not 1k+ TB) so that it should be around 2.5 years (250/15/6 = 2.7) with that rate of TBW for the SSD to go to the unstable state or die.

[@BenCuthbertson]

Great content Mike! What was that cool gobo type light in the background?!

[@Techkhamun]

Custom Neon light 😉 cost a fortune though 😅

[@BenCuthbertson]

@@Techkhamun Ooo! Cool!

[@bramvandenbroeck5060]

Even some apps on my intel retina use an enormous amount of swapping, i have 8gb of ram and a 500gb ssd (new, just a couple of weeks old), and on big sur and monterey 12.0.1, it was so bad, but now, with the latest update, it seems to be ok now, so yeah, this can be fixed with software updates

[@chamaoui]

I have a 2015 macbook pro and had an entirely different issue. I noticed that the computer was using my ssd for memory but never releasing it. After minutes of use I was hit by “insufficient disk space”. I monitored the storage and actually saw my available space shrink exponentially. After spending hours searching the web I found no fix. Eventually I dove into my cpu monitoring and saw a file hidden n the core library listed as the culprit. Once the file deleted, performance went back to normal and available disk space remained untouched. Weird!

[@TheAthavanleon]

Thank you. I don’t believe it’s going to be an issue for mass user base. It might effect heavy user who may utilize the hard drive. For example in my Mac SSD usually does not get used. Most of the time it’s empty. For most people it is. If you are a person who use your hard drive as storage you may have to consider go for higher storage. If you are a day to day user who is not a KZbinr use your Mac for day to day task please don’t worry. It’s not gonna impact 99% of consumers.

[@michaeljohnson1413]

Very well explained, thank you.

[@azizaelghali]

What about for someone looking to start 4k video editing on mbp 16ram and multitasking on daily basis will the laptop die in 4-7 years ?

[@vikrambalaji4126]

fantastic video, thank you

[@Techkhamun]

Glad you liked it!

[@rodgui]

What do you recommend to buy my next MBA? 16gb RAM or 512gb? I can’t buy for both and I will not use for programming or video editing. Just a few Safari tabs, KZbin, office package and Windows VM.

[@Maximara]

I would go with the 16GB RAM as an external 1TB SSD (~US$150) is far cheaper than what Apple wants.(US$ 400) and you can use an external SSD as a boot up drive.

[@martin-drt]

@@Maximara Is 8go ram correct for office package, safari with 2-3 windows, Netflix and rarely video éditing ? I would like my mac to last several years

[@Maximara]

@@martin-drt Even on my 2013 Intel iMac 8 GB is kind of tight. I would go with 16 GB RAM just to be safe. The more RAM the less writing to the SSD and the longer life.

[@nitishgharde3602]

Thanks for such a informative video ❤️. Lots of LOVE from India

[@Techkhamun]

No problem Nitish! Sending love back to India!!!

[@samuelrobinson8856]

Really helpful man!!!😍😍😍

[@KostasGur]

Mine is still 1% usage at 31.5 TB (both read/write) in 3 months (8GB/512GB Mini M1). That means around 25 years of usage before it fails I suppose.

[@Maximara]

That is what the math shows but it also shows a total TBW of 3150 for 100%. That is suspicious high.

[@adrian1622]

@@Maximara it s ok even it is 500 tbw tho...

[@ThwmasSt]

so, how long will it last a macbook air's m1 256 gb ssd with normal usage?

[@adrian1622]

20-30 years.

[@ashishpatel350]

yes there is a problem.... apple screwed up. not making the ssd user removable.

[@benjaminrich1653]

Niether do most companies and the majority of people don’t know and won’t swap out an ssd

[@ashishpatel350]

@@benjaminrich1653 well it's true the average apple enthusiast user is incompetent but still they should have made the ssd user removable. almost every other computer has user removable drives.

[@joefilter2923]

@@ashishpatel350 It must be a sad life.

[@alexalucard1611]

So what should I buy for my next M1 MBA ? 16 GB of Ram or 512 GB SSD ? I can't afford both, and I want to keep it for like 6 years

[@rodgui]

Following. I have same decision to do.

[@aronfaine9457]

getting 16gb will be cheaper and provide a better overall benefit than getting extra ssd storage. You can always grab an external ssd or even an external hdd and have files wrote to that, saving wear on the Macs ssd. 16GB of RAM will use less swap, no matter what size storage you have. Please note though, that some apps, mainly ones that use Rosetta to work on M1 instead of being natively supported, will use lots of memory. Basically, using legacy apps on your M1 can cause heavy swap use. Limit your use of legacy apps, if you can, they will be updated to native support soon anyway. Apple can fix this with a software update but at this time its unknown when they will do it, or if they will at all. They may leave it to the app developers.

[@martin-drt]

@@aronfaine9457 Is 8go ram correct for office package, safari with 2-3 windows, Netflix and rarely video éditing ? I would like my mac to last several years

[@churchhill5266]

Do you mind sharing the current status of your ssd along with your level of usage of MBA or MBP?

[@gaurabtalukdar7798]

I do my University work in ms-word and PowerPoint and i use chrome with around 7 to 8 tabs(sometimes 10). Ido this on daily basis !! So which ram version of M1 MacBook air should i buy 8gb or 16gb varient?? Also should i be worried about heavy ssd swapping with this kind of multitasking.

[@Techkhamun]

That’s not heavy multitasking, that’s average to above average based on my findings. If you can afford it always go for the biggest amount ram especially if you plan to keep this laptop for 5+ years. You will be fine with 8 and no you shouldn’t worry about swap memory with what you do. But if you can go for 16GB if you want to keep your Mac for a long long time

[@gaurabtalukdar7798]

@@Techkhamun with 8 gb of ram how many years do you think the MacBook will run assuming the multitasking that i do

[@Techkhamun]

It’ll last you for 5 years plus, it just depends on if you plan on using your laptop more over the years than what you are using.

[@gaurabtalukdar7798]

@@Techkhamun thanks you were really helpful

[@martin-drt]

@@Techkhamun I have almost the same uses (safari with 2-3 tabs, office package, Netflix) and rarely video/photo editing (once a month maximum). Tight budget I would like to go on the Macbook pro M2 8go but I would like it to last me 5-7 years minimum. Is 16go really necessary for its survival in the future? Because the additional 200€ represent a significant investment for me

[@AxelFoxK]

nice video! thank you

[@DimitrisPhd]

Thanx for this lovely video. In my concern , apple will handle this matter later. But I would not trust those programs yet. Anyway ssd soldering if needed is SO easy at those macs so it can be handled.

[@Bartolome_Dobo]

Is this irony or its seriously easy to SWAP SSD on M1 machine?

[@DimitrisPhd]

@@Bartolome_Dobo nope its easy indeed

[@aronfaine9457]

@@Bartolome_Dobo it is not easy, i mean soldering itself isnt super difficult, but theres more to it than just grabbing any SSD and laying the solder to it. Macs identify the hardware serial numbers and whitelist them. Adding an SSD without the Macs firmware knowing it can cause it to not boot. Also, only certain SSDs will work, as they tie to the Macs security chip for encryption. Yes, it can be done, but its certainly NOT easy. Dont be fooled.

[@pavangulaganji]

MacBook air M1 with 8gb 256gb or 8gb 512gb,which one should I go to increase more lifespan of MacBook.I'm a normal user with using KZbin,music,movies,and some general stuffs.

[@Techkhamun]

You’ll be fine with either, I would recommend buy more unified memory

[@gaurabtalukdar7798]

is ssd swap memory automatically deleted after ending an application

[@davidmathew6453]

One issue I would like you to cover if you can, about external ssd’s being so much slower on the m1 macs via the thunderbolt ports. Has anyone else run into this issue too?

[@Techkhamun]

Great video idea! I will add that to the video list and I will get on that comparing it to an Intel 2020 vs M1 2020 for the most up to date results 😊👌🏽

[@davidmathew6453]

@@Techkhamun thank you! Love your work! 🙌🏽

[@hagerawitube2449]

I use Sandisc External drive (1TB) and i hardly notice any difference during exporting videos .

[@davidmathew6453]

@@hagerawitube2449 I’ve checked a few times, I’ve noticed a reduction of half the speed on read and writes on all my drives, including the thunderbolt 3 external ssd’s. There are a few others that mention it. Hoping it’ll be a software fix.

[@NicVandEmZ]

Normal Macs used swap memory to but people don’t Seems to check it out

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Normal Macs didn't use a unified/shared memory structure, which causes more swapping, so your comparing apples to unicorns.

[@tech4life884]

A year later and this is still an issue so it's definitely not a bug. This is a hardware problem.

[@sohrabansari2438]

will running macOS from external drive can resolve memory swap issue?

[@devinalondon6167]

i'm a freelancer with not so much monthly salary. But I took a plunge anyway. The processor and battery life are just too amazing to miss. I'd still prefer Windows though, as navigating the OS is much more logical, and I'd prefer the document-based paradigm that Windows has. About my Mac's SSD? Well, I'd worry about that later.

[@thesuperstar4470]

So now what specs shall I buy ?????

[@saitejsunkara1550]

Hey Hi. I'm actually using my M1 MBP with 8gb ram and 256gb storage since 4 months. I just checked in DriveDX and it's 1.9 TB written. I use my MBP for software development activities. Mostly for Angular, React, Java, KZbin, Videos, Canva, VSCode, and for office stuff. Till today I used chrome and from now switching to safari 😂😂. May be this info will contribute to some doubts!!

[@zia-i]

mine (1month usage), 7.3TBw 5:00 my laptop : m1 MBA base model (the cheapest one (8gb ram, 256gb ssd)) 1400TBw assume that 1month=8TBw 1400/8 (month) =175 month =14,6 years btw i've plan to buy new laptop (maximum) every 5 year. So 14,6years such a huge number righ? xD Task: zoom meeting, web browsing, watching vid (youtube etc), sometime editing with FCP and DaVinci, Photoshop, Minecraft, CSGO, vscode (some high CPU & GPU usage with it), and some a normal programming uses.

[@SamOween]

Seems like your device has nothig wrong with it.

[@oz7251]

And now could you uptade it ? Still good ?

[@vincentdalbo690]

your video is amazing, is alwais nice learning some tec

[@Techkhamun]

I’m glad to hear it!

[@FrankHendriksma]

I think the writes are quite excessive on 3M1-8-256. But I do not understand why the reads are quite close to the number of writes !! . I have 3,2TB written in 2.5months (0%). I see sometimes higher #of bytes written (in resource monitor) also during browsing (safari). But thinking that Mac SSD''s have a 10x times higher TBW than Samsung EVO is ridiculous. I checked my MBP 2017 13.3 (128GB SSD) and has 3.4TB writen in 3 years (and 4% used). The SSD issues must be a big sur issue for sure ... On the 3M1 i do only browsing, O365, and affinity photo. All applications native .. no rosetta2 installed for now ..

[@ThePianist51]

Me, who uses zhis Notebook 3h/day in average just doing some lawyers work: 👁👄👁

[@dr.franxx]

meanwhile i'm just a terminal user 🐴

[@jumpoi]

My usage is KZbin, PDFs, Evernote, and browsing.

[@olganerd]

The best thing to do is install the os onto an external drive. A new Linux installation will have the option create a swap partition. Apple should be no different.😊

[@amisingh49]

I'm gonna use my M1 Mac Mini for torrenting about 50GB a day , if I point my torrent data to an external SSD drive would it make my internal SSD last longer than torrenting to the local drive? also, can you not also change the swap memory location to another drive instead of the local drive which can't be replaced?

[@floridahummer]

I bought the mac bok air M1 with 8 gig of ram and a terabyte SSD, using terminal it says percentage used is zero but I only use it for lightroom, watching vids

[@Jackson_M5]

Arent you happy that Apple literally solders everything to the mobo so you cant upgrade it.

[@floridahummer]

@@Jackson_M5 yep totally agree, still using my 2010 17" with an SSD and upgraded the memory myself.

[@RailTV01]

Mine used 0%, write 1.06 TB it's been 3 months

[@Techkhamun]

What do you use your Mac for if you don’t mind me asking? I love to get feedback

[@RailTV01]

@@Techkhamun Light video editing using resolve, Xcode and browsing. Mine is M1 air 8gb 256 gb.

[@zainalu]

Has this issue been solved?

[@justgoey6872]

Im watching this Video on my MBP 15" Mid 2012 with the 768 GB SSD (Original!). Disk Utility tells me that the SSD is perfectly fine. In Blackmagic i almost have the same results as it was 10 years ago, as this MBP was new. We talk about a 10 year old Computer with a 10 year old SSD with a 10 year old NAND-Controller! I think this discussion about the Swap-Memory on M1's is totally overrated.

[@aboodkikany8236]

We would like to see review about Beats Flex could you make a video Mike much love ❤️🙏🏼

[@gaurabtalukdar7798]

I want to ask a question During ssd swap the data which is written in ssd is it automatically deleted to decrease ssd swap??

[@RohamRajabzadeh]

Thanks a lot

[@Techkhamun]

No worries!

[@momitahmed9053]

do you think a software update will fix this issue?

[@Techkhamun]

Possibly, it’s still too early but I will be doing an update video when I know more 😊

[@Teluric2]

a computer with less ram will use the ssd more intensively

[@johnadams3038]

NO, every PC also has memory swapping and it isn't an issue ever, those number are incorrect IMO..

[@Techkhamun]

I just based those numbers on the smart monitoring software, not my opinion, I did say that we have to take these with a pinch of salt and we don’t know how accurate the tools are, but do the math yourself and you’ll get the same numbers as I have, I never try to give my opinion on these things as it has to be data driven and I can only work with the data I have, despite what we may think

[@Jackson_M5]

I used my PC for large machine learning projects and I have 3.7 TBW since November. I have 64GB of ram though. I could easily afford 128 GB because I didnt pay the massive Apple tax. A similar MAC build wouldve cost me 1.5K more for the same specs. Literal insanity.

[@johnadams3038]

@@Jackson_M5 Not relevant to the topic of this video

[@kresnark]

The problem with mac m1 , we can't replace the ssd... Not like windows laptop , we can replace ssd.. so if ssd die we can just replace it with new one.

[@Techkhamun]

That’s what I said in the video, if we could replace it, then it wouldn’t be as big of an issue

[@difflam74]

If Apple could INCREASE the RAM instead of making it cost an arm and a leg....Just saying. The SSD will fail especially if you are a heavy user with photo , video editing and other high intensive read/write . The original poster asked WHY Apple had to Solder the SSD ?. Usage can vary person to person, but SSD will fail and given Apple warrantly at 1 yrs or extended warranty at 2 yrs.... This is

[@AnalogFlava]

it really is bonkers, and its only about money at this point for them. It really ought to be illegal what they are doing somehow. But it isn't and I've lost so much respect for apple as a company. I only buy Macs because I really don't like pc's or windows much. For surfing I guess they're ok but for creative work hell no. And apple knows this and it's part of their exploit of their segmentation of users.

[@phillipgoat00]

I used home brew to check this and didn't find any issue on my m1. maybe i was lucky

[@DarkAngel-vf4em]

liked the video but unfortunately there are many misinformation here. currently samsung best ssds manufacturer offers up to 1000 - 1200 TBW with 970 pro 1 TB. how the heck can Apple provide 1000 - 1500 TBW with 256gb ssd?? and yes you should worry if you are using base MBA especially if you are using it for intensive workloads. I don't still don't get it why the hell people buy 8gb and 256 gb for photo and video editing? don't you guys search before buying? literally any editing software recommendations are 16gb of RAM or more. secondly, 256 gb ssd nowadays is barely enough for OS, Softwares, private videos and photos and very light games and you still use it for 4k video editing? that must be dumb. Apple must have thought well about it how to force people change their macs every 3-4 years since old ones were very well upgradeable.

[@Maximara]

These are the numbers the tool being used give us as explained at 4:05 . If 1% is 15.7 TB then 100% would be 1570 TB (15.7 * 100). One can hem an haw all they like but that is where the numbers lead. Also Apple allows booting from external SSD so this "force people to change their Macs every 3-4 years" idea is nonsense on par with Trump had the election stolen from him. JUST BOOT UP FROM AN EXTERNAL SSD. How freaking hard is it to understand that basic fact?!?

[@TheIkaika777]

The media overhyped this. No need to worry at all.

[@TheIkaika777]

@You're Meh, um, my MacBook Pro is 9 years old going on 10. I had my iPhone 6s for five years before I finally upgraded. My iPad Pro first generation is going strong and it’s still awesome. My Apple TV first generation (14 years ago) still works, my Apple TV second generation (10years) still works perfectly. My airport extreme and express work perfectly fine although I’m upgrading for the Wi-Fi 6 technology. Don’t be petty with embarrassing ignorance and jealousy. By the way, the M1 chip is state of the art technology and so will the M1X, kid.

[@michaelkeudel8770]

@@TheIkaika777 I can say the same thing about all my non-apple counterparts you mentioned. My HP Touchpad still works and still holds a charge, and it launched the same time as the first iPad. Difference is I paid less for everything I bought.

[@TheIkaika777]

@@michaelkeudel8770, price is irrelevant, people buy the things they like.

[@michaelkeudel8770]

@@TheIkaika777 price is relevant to his comment about apple items lasting a long time, nothing magical here on a higher priced item, when a lower priced item lasts just as long or longer. I paid $80 for my HP touchpad brand new, while the iPad was selling for $600. One is locked to iTunes and the apple ecosystem, the other I can freely install anything I want. If you enjoy throwing your money out of the window for a name, that's fine with me. They all use the same semiconductor manufacturers and assembly companies, apple just charges you more.

[@TheIkaika777]

@@michaelkeudel8770, again price is irrelevant, people buy what they want for an operating system they want/like. Some people upgrade with every new generation no matter the brand.

[@harshjatinder]

IMO KZbinrs created hype of M1 Chip KZbinrs increased the the hype of Swap issue and now KZbinrs are trying to bring down the hype of Swap issue. Too many youtubers, too many hypes. Too much usage of **Hype** word :D

[@tokelahti]

Where Apple can find 256GB SSDs with 1500TBW?

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Yeah, that was hillarious. Even a Samsung 2tb Evo is only warranteed for 150Tb.

[@melvinch]

Makes more sense to hackintosh a beefy PC notebook instead.

[@michaelkeudel8770]

Apples ssd's are made from the same silicon/chips that everyone else in the industry uses, they aren't created or manufactured by apple. And apple hasn't told anyone what chips their using, or if its slc, TLC, mlc, or qlc. Your tbwf numbers are meaningless without that information, because each different cell type has a different life span.

[@Techkhamun]

Hence why I explained in the video Apple doesn’t disclose this information and we only have these smart tools to go by and we have to make our calculations based on the information we do have.

[@davidashley4386]

Short answer is no

[@joefilter2923]

The channel name is obscure in English making it hard to find!

[@mamanmam1438]

Dude your muscle should show more

[@paulharrison8379]

If you buy a 16 Gb RAM M1 then you will swap much less to SSD and so I would expect your SSD to last five times as long. I also think that it would be worth buying a 512 Gb SSD because i do not really have enough space in my 265 Gb HP Windows laptop.

[@krosser2123]

That's why MS hasn't optimized its OneDrive app yet, cos it writes a ton of stuff in the background when the "files on demand" feature is on... Oh, those evil MS guys... LOL

[@miyagiryota9238]

Ssd Overhype the issue, just like the media overhype the M1 soc compared to standalone cpu.

[@Trusteft]

WTF was he doing with his mac? I download GBs of data and use almost 24/4 my SSDs. Out of 5 internal SSDs, the only one that has less than 100% health, has 99% and that is over a year plus of heavy daily usage. (not mac) I can't figure out what he used his SSD for to write so many in such small time. Still, if the new macOS burns GBs of data for "swap" memory and that is behind it, that's just not necessarily a fault, but planned obsolescence. If true. I can't see the numbers mentioned make any sense. There is also no way the 256GB drive has 1400TBW. No way. ZERO chance.

[@lasarith2]

Apparently back in 2015/16 there was a test of SSD to destruction, (Search 256GB SSD test to destruction) a 256 GB SSD with 72TBW guarantee got to 600 TBW fine then stated having problems up to 728TBW and then went nope no more data for me , and others got to 1.1PB, (capacity of drive not mentioned) and today’s SSD are even more reliable then then , according to the reports, and after a bit of checking myself I’d say a 256GB SSD with a grantee of 150 -300TBW will have 600-1200 TBW before starting to show errors, so 1400TBW while is a bit iffy, but probably not out the realm of doable , but I wouldn’t trust it past that point .

[@Trusteft]

@@lasarith2 I rather play it safe.

[@lasarith2]

@@Trusteft Aye, totally understand 🙂

[@michaelkeudel8770]

@@lasarith2 not necessarily true, original sad chips were sold, rated around 5 or 600 writes per cell. Since then we've gotten TLC, mlc, and qlc variants, they are cheaper to make, but have a lower write endurance. They could create larger capacity chips with the newer cell types, but gave up endurance to be able to release larger sized drives at a lower cost. Just like the M1 soc, you gave up upgradeability for lower latency and more swapping thanks to the shared/unified memory. You lost the ability to add memory, replace the ssd, upgrade to a faster CPU or gpu. You want any of those upgrades, you have to buy a replacement machine.

[@manuelchavez8303]

The ssd of Mac 💻 machines are tremendous better that pc normal And have the same writes of normal This guys just make videos of this to gain likes and views !! This is not a problem the life of ssd always passes the capacity of write in every ssd for long That means the ssd of m1 maybe fail but About 8 or 9 year latter

[@Techkhamun]

Not sure you actually watched my video all the way through before commenting..... and “I make videos for likes and views”?! Firstly kinda the point in KZbin and secondly just watch the video and tell me I didn’t take a data driven approach to the issue.

[@Teluric2]

No channel admit there s a problem because they wouldnt get again free products from apple.

[@Techkhamun]

Do you really think Apple sends me free Apple products?! Would you like to see how much I have spent on macs in the past 12 months?! I have bought every Mac and Apple product and I have no communication with Apple. They would never speak to a channel of my size that’s for sure 😂 funny you have this opinion not sure you understand how brand work in the real world

[@Techkhamun]

Thanks for the dislike on the video too, only person probably because you have no idea what you are on about and clearly do not reason with solid math and logic 😂😅

[@Teluric2]

@@Techkhamun I meant most. btw are you defending apple?

[@Teluric2]

@@Techkhamun No Idea. people paid me for testing computers..😂😂

[@lueroifan12]

@@Techkhamun ignore the haters that do not even provide any valid criticisms

[@MHKARAM]

cutie, i know this is unrelated... but whatever

[@goobfilmcast4239]

My advice to all the nincompoops worried about and falling for the false SSD swap issue in M1 Macs..... hurry up and spend $100.00 on AppleCare....then use the living crap out of your Macs (back up your critical docs, naturally) then wait for the SoC to fail and have Apple provide you with either a Free, Replacement MoBo or an entirely new, Updated M-series Mac.....Simple!