Is There Such Thing As Too Many Restomods? [S7, E12]

[@mr3e3e67]

IMO Restomods are more exciting than most new cars from mainstream manufacturers...

[@fraserwright9482]

Only because they are not available from them. The business model of buying into a club and sending the same car back again and again was what Lamborghini did in the 60's with the Miura. Finding a non S or SV or matching numbers car is hard. You have the current formula with Pagani, Konigsegg where they have sold out of new cars. But you can buy an old one and have new bits fitted to an older model. Porsche/Ferrari/Aston have yet to do it, but Porsche could buy Singer and offer it in house.

[@YusufEbr]

​@@fraserwright9482if those brands you mentioned took restomods, they would instantly ruin them in the long run, they would build them for a market that only they understand and it would lose the appeal and cool. If they made them affordable it would be pretty damn cool lol

[@dariodelolmogarrido4045]

I'd say it'ss about half

[@Taylor40667]

Car sales have changed big time when Tony only stocks 1 car above 50k and is selling a £4000 james May special Dacia Sandero

[@rjdavies1982]

😢😢😢😢

[@CincySupercar]

Wholesale straight to retail! There’s a reason the big new car dealers are trying to sell a million other warranties and paint protection plans because there are smaller margins on a brand new car than making 4 grand on a auction car.

[@Phoon996]

Feels good to have you guys back!

[@meldrumclips7536]

Maybe if manufacturers began building stunning cars like the old days there wouldn’t be any need for restomods.

[@betaich]

they can't though restomods only work as they do because of the old chasi numbers that are retained mostly, or by the fact that they are very small series and don't have to adhere to all the rules the big manufacturers have

[@I_am_Jesus_though]

Would cost too much to make

[@The-ice-bergh]

Another restomod was announced DURING THIS PODCAST! The BMW 858 CSL. They really do keep coming quick.

[@77raymo]

No price though

[@HG504X]

The rise in restomods is just a sign that the new stuff being made by manufacturers isn't exciting anymore.

[@stevefitchett6193]

I think the restomod thing being so big is due to the fact that a lot of modern cars aren't as good to look at as the older cars but the older cars are frankly crap now. So as we have the tech to match the looks of old to the abilities of the new it is popular. Plus the people who wanted the car 40 years ago and couldn't afford it are now wealthy and want to get their dream but they want it to work like a modern sports car.

[@Neil2022]

Keep up Tony

[@jamesrichards5601]

44:40 I *think* the last GT1 that transacted was around the 9 or 10 million mark, but need confirmation!

[@harrypoore]

You’re correct. They’re over 9 easily now. That comment by Sam shocked me.

[@rahulsudhir666]

The GT1 that was on sale this year actually didn't sell at the price that was expected, which came as a massive shocker. John Tamarian of *We are Curated* spoke about it a few days ago. It wasn't a Straßenversion though.

[@Auto.Anorak]

A race car sold for $7,000,000+ at car week and road versions are always worth a lot more

[@mattgall653]

Great to have you back!

[@Kxji]

Somebody said on Instagram, not everything should be a restomod, after seeing that 575. Which I totally agree.

[@monicagawlik3175]

We keep living the dream through your eyes, keep up the incredible work, thank you for everything you do!

[@YachtReport]

Tony Tony Tony “PDK didn’t come out until the 991/981.” 997.2 was first to get PDK.

[@hughmann1908]

This was a good conversation, thanks!

[@jamespugh]

Awesome podcast. Glade ur home to the uk 🇬🇧.

[@stuartcampbell5585]

Brilliant pod....Nice one fellas

[@Kempy89]

Building restomods is a fantastic way for the manufacturers to build the cars they want to make, instead of having to bow to 100,000,000 regulations that stifle any sort of creativity or design.

[@royd72]

Is there such a thing as too many automotive KZbinrs?

[@ShabasRS]

It's been a minute... welcome back

[@laurentiuprisacariu9905]

such a cool episode

[@77raymo]

I knew there was a spare tyre, somewhere 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@wparslow]

If you’re a bit bored by £1m+ restomods go try out the MX-5 Restomod from Rocketeer with its 300bhp V6 - fantastic, in keeping with the original and not silly money

[@alexteal9751]

Yes Sam & Tony

[@gingerjax]

In this world of restomods I feel like its interesting how some JDM manufacturers like Nissan does their own way of "restomodding" an older car thru for example their Nismo Parts for Skylines etc.

[@rahulsudhir666]

I feel that the Tuthill is actually decently priced. I know that it is vastly different from the original 911 GT1 / Straßenversion but there's no way you can really drive and enjoy the real thing with peace of mind unless you're that guy who owns *_The Collection One_* from Bahrain. Tuthill said that enough molds to rebuild the car if an owner were to crash it. It'll also be quite reasonable in terms of maintenance costs considering it's based on the 993 911 which were fairly reliable cars. It's also like 1/5th the current values of the original GT1s.

[@All_Together_Now]

while i do want you guys to be honest about your experience, droning on about how much you’re disinterested in cars these days is just depressing - we’re here bc we’re interested and into cars

[@scouseok]

MSRP set at $357,621 in the U.S. Options can quickly add six figures for the baby lambo

[@rahulsudhir666]

The overs in the US market is gonna be insane as usual in the first 1-2 years. Especially considering the US is the biggest market for Lamborghini if I remember correctly. Dealerships were quoting 2x for quite some time when the Performante n STO dropped n even more surprisingly there were takers as well!

[@mattjonesgt3538]

The original GT1 96 and 97 Evo were originally based on a 993 for homologation reasons.. the 98 was carbon and very different

[@BarryMakariou]

Older Porsche models sound so much better than new

[@MM-xr6tz]

What would be good is a wing, bumper and rear aspect kit for a 986 Boxster for £5 - £10k. Designed so you can fit them yourself. All panels would be interchangeable with existing parts from 911 / Boxster / Cayman. Cool custom look for not a lot of cash. Then come up with your own rad paint scheme.

[@thelongtrombone3528]

We need a Phil podcast episode

[@Huub1e]

After watching your frustration with your GT3 on UK roads You should be looking at the base 987 rather than a RS60 or 986. It recreates the modern classic experience you had but with a significantly better interior for not much more money. It lets you experience a different car than your 986 which is good for the channel while keeping the character that you liked about the 986. I can guarantee that you will enjoy driving it more than your GT3 on your tight UK roads. I enjoy my 987 more than my 981 Spyder on similar roads. The 981 Boxster is absolutely a better car. It feels completely modern but loses the classic analog charm that you experienced with the 986. It doesn’t move around on the suspension the same way, it doesn’t give you the feedback in the wheel, and it’s less fun to drive on tight UK roads. The 981 feels two generations newer than the 987 and will be just another capable sports car in your garage.

[@keithrobertson2401]

The name is Relentless, so all the flagship Lamborghinis are named after real bulls that fought and gamed fame in the bull fights. Relentless was like back in the 1800s, survived like 24 slashes and stabs from the sword and the bull fighter decided to spare its life because of its bravery and relentless attack. Something like this.

[@rahulsudhir666]

Wasn't that story about the Aventador?

[@pegsy7206]

Glad to have you guys back! Funny vibes straight from the start!

[@eastielover]

42.50 - Original GT1 is well over £10M now for a street car!! £2M was about 10 years ago.

[@Shooter1812]

As the owner of a 2004 Boxster S, “50 Years of the 550 Spyder Edition”, I highly recommend that you purchase a 2003 or 2004 986 Boxster. Here is why: Glass rear window, glove box, revised styling with no “fried egg headlamps”, the addition of the “catfish whiskers” Can-Am style nose, and most importantly-the “3-chain” engine in place of the original “5-chain” engine which eliminates the cam chain rail failure. Just buy one. Get busy livin’ Cheers!

[@neilturner6749]

Yep defo go post-facelift. No IMS worries with those either, as far as I’m aware…

[@ianfantomx7]

tonys legs in those shorts look like angus youngs from acdc

[@James-pl2oy]

There’s obviously a market for this niche. All the restomod boutiques have waiting lists going on for multi years. Some have even stopped taking new orsera

[@m0d.]

Yup. just like designer artisan handbags and shoes. there will always be someone who wants that uniqueness and craftsmanship.

[@kornonacob]

400-600 hp is just nice .... i prefer a car that can use its power all the time or most of the time rather than crazy big numbers but u cant really enjoy it fully

[@tango22ah]

Yesssss!

[@steadyrockscotland]

The last few 911 GT1 Strassenversions sold for £14m+! £2m is a little off :)

[@mazzariol101]

Porsche should have prepared in advance for the launch of the .2 turbo for the anniversary and released a special edition with some real trickery. It would’ve been interesting if they launched the .2 gt2rs along side the anniversary car as a .2

[@Wildspeed911]

PDK was introduced on 997.2 and 987.2.

[@motosteggy3980]

Have you seen the fifteen eleven 914? Is sure is pretty mind...

[@doggodproductions2259]

That thing is really, really cool. They managed to make a 914 look properly aggressive without it losing it's slightly-goofy 914 charm.

[@lamborghiniregistry]

What was the labor rate per hour in America for the Porsche?

[@Lou-f]

There’s already resto mod Diablo, the Mercy.

[@PureAsGold]

You and Tony need to go to Hong Kong and discover their car culture so insane.

[@fraserwright9482]

I went there and everyone tows their cars to a meet. It's nuts

[@JJ-vy2rh]

Hong Kong is runied by the Chinese

[@77raymo]

HK is dead, sorry

[@Fioravanti.80]

If the MC20 looked more like the xtrema, it would have been a success. I am with Tony on the original 550; looks too much like a Supra. The Touring version is awesome though. Re all the restomods I agree - the originals are more nostalgic and evocative, even if modded, and modifications were period.

[@Rocky-hh3yg]

I think the Revulto might end up having the R8 effect. Too smooth. Too well made perhaps? Like you say the Aventador had its quirks.

[@JC-he7yk]

Restomods are now almost manufacturers in their own right. Also, Porsche themselves have entered the arena by basically producing their own official restomods. The restomod idea is not bad , but it shows what a lot of people truly want, if only manufacturers themselves produced cars like this (see Porsche).

[@CGF101]

Once people modify the revueltos and temerrario they will make crazier models from factory

[@johnnyboy1586]

I can fully understand say restomoding a 911 where you want the modern driving but want a car that esthetically nicer to look at and something that can comfortably fit down a B road

[@fullyplantd]

An interesting point was made by Andrew Frankel asking when is a Porsche restomod no longer a Porsche? For example there was that Porsche 914 restomod recently featured on the Top Gear YT channel and they said barely any of the original car was used. So if someone buys one of those then it bursts in to flames while sat in traffic and the people inside are killed, and the headlines say "Married couple dies in Porsche fire", is that fair on Porsche to destroy their reputation because of a car they never made?

[@Speednote10]

Is it fair on Porsche if an owner of a stock 914 installed a cheap and faulty aftermarket fuel line that led to the same outcome as your example? I think you'll find that all the actual real world positive PR that a restomod gives to the OEM manufacturer heavily outweighs some extreme hypothetical situation that has an incredibly low chance of ever happening.

[@jefdamen2977]

60 psi is 4,14bar seems rather high, my merc c220 needs 2,2bar I don’t think u realize how dangerous it can be.

[@Wolfman57]

I bought a spare wheel and tyre for my Porsche Macan, they said inflate tyre to 60 per sq inch.!!!

[@jefdamen2977]

@@Wolfman57 It should say on the tire what the ideal pressure is. 4 bar is very very hard imo

[@timothysmith2262]

Just wait until they restomod original Boxsters

[@markfarrell8167]

That f355 reminds me a of a maxpower car lol

[@LutzMir]

Ferrari does restore customer cars, such as the F40, to your desired spec.

[@mattyp3119]

The answer to the title is: yes. Yes absolutely there's way too many.

[@kiwi335d]

Really enjoyable podcast Sam and Tony. Great to hear how the final days of your US trip turned out Sam and glad to hear you are gaining experience with roadside repairs and automotive troubleshooting, which builds character and prospective, when dealing with older cars. You might be surprised just how many of your viewers very much look forward to these weekly podcasts, as it allows us to get to know a bit more about you and Tony and the dynamics of your friendship.

[@joebeus6886]

What about the new Rimac Nevera R ??

[@ThrottleBody]

I’m genuinely surprised that manufacturers haven’t ran with the restomod culture. Imagine bmw re-releasing an e30 or even e39 or e46 as a limited run 🤷

[@institutmorningkiss]

They can't

[@ThrottleBody]

@@institutmorningkiss why not? There is always a way.

[@JC-he7yk]

My biggest gripe is that restomods are now becoming as ludicrous as the modern cars they sought to replace. This Tuthill is a prime example. Restomods used to be about discreet subtle modern improvement (brakes, tyres, engine etc, ) of an older car. Now they are basically hand made, overly engineered, bespoke, silhouette racecars...

[@fraserwright9482]

That you don't race. It's what people bought a Countach for in 1983

[@zachh2874]

Perhaps restomods are booming based off customers with large amounts of money to toss around - and don’t see the need for cars with 700-1,000HP like most of the manufacturers are creating

[@davekelly9407]

Aren’t all lambos named after fighting bulls ?

[@joebeus6886]

Best Porsche restomods: RUF 🇩🇪 Singer 🇺🇲 Gunther 🇺🇲 Tedson 🇭🇷 Theon 🇬🇧 Tuthill 🇬🇧

[@James-pl2oy]

I’d also add South Africa’s Dutchmann

[@James-pl2oy]

I’d also add South Africa’s Dutchmann

[@detonator2112]

I think Gunther Werks and Singer sell every single one of their restomods and they can't fill the demand. So nothing wrong with them. And by the way Porsche 964 and 993 were never, ever "cheap". Especially 993. Of course they were cheap compared to the insane prices now but never literally cheap.

[@MathewBall]

What's the Red Bull conspiracy?

[@mikewallace1723]

Land Rover reintroduces this week, a V8 based on the original LR Defender (not the new one) for £190k!!! Update suspension, infotainment etc. But ouch the cost! They are still old cars. Couldn’t be built today for legislation reasons, many for the good, e.g crash structures, safety kit. Personally don’t get it.

[@mlhmedia987]

Weird opinion but imo BMW M cars are well priced

[@T997S]

Glad I didn’t get my free ticket to quail this year 😂

[@MegaSKAGGS]

Would have preferred more car pictures/videos ??

[@TjibbeVieberink]

Still wondering why they didn't hit the 60k subs jet.

[@Speednote10]

Unless you're buying every single one of these restomods I can't see why you'd think it's a bad thing that there's so many of them. Can there be too many cool new cars?

[@motosteggy3980]

987.2 pdk

[@BobbyDazzler888]

They are neglecting weight on these hybrid supercars with hp being more important. Id love a lightweight rear mounted car with a motorcycle engine 15,000rpm with a decent sound with small battery hybrid.

[@grivlar]

Why is Sam trying to get off with the microphone?

[@jerrywarren2007]

Lambo is keen to attack Ferrari and the new cars are created to impress. Need is not a word in the conversation, this is a pissing contest and more power is more better. Stepping away from the specs, Revuelto provides meaningul improvements to the car part of the equation relative to Aventador, interior comfort, usability, covers the tranny issue and maintains the N/A V12. The Huracan replacement will be their volume building monster that will provide a good option against the 296 and a lower priced near equivalent to the SF90.

[@cbotten106]

No. They need to go further yet.

[@x8dudtrackdaytoy]

Restomod or even just cars say pre late 2010's are just more fun anyway. Modern stuff just has far too much pointless tech, weight and tbh even getting on for power.

[@mikewallace1723]

M5 was a car I nearly bought, but not now! Looks, weight etc. nah! Depreciation willbe horrendous. M3 is now falling. Wonder who will want the M5 new? Expect big discounts after the hype falls away

[@PS-tu2ds]

I don't know lads. I think you need to watch a few episodes back. You've backed yourselves into a corner, where you find yourselves having to habitually slate every car. But don't worry, in 6 years, they'll be no ICE cars in the UK available to buy. That will make you happy then?

[@MarcSob22]

Lambo copied the 296 with the Temerario and still made the car with more than 220kg more, bad sound, ugly... There's no point in having 10000 rpm and the sound being bad.

[@tomandtinamatthews6866]

I think they are missing the point with Restomods. These are for people that look at Hypercars as too over the top with performance you can never use and also look at classic, original exotic, sports cars as too unreliable and old looking and the current offerings from manufacturers like Porsche, Ferrari, etc as lacking soul. Restomods offer character, improved performance and reliability ovet the classics, without being so over the top like hypercar performance that you could never really use it.

[@ShinySenpai]

If only you understood how suffocating the regulations have become, then you’d know and understand why restomods exist. They exist for you guys, car ‘’enthusiasts’’ OEM cars are design by data these days, they are a business designed and competing to capture a large market share. Where as in the past, cars were designed through emotion and passion, of course that limited them only to a very small niche, so again this is why restomods exist.

[@Argiers]

I'm getting bored with restomods, particularly of the Porsche variety. Give me a healthy original car (with bags more character) any day.

[@eugenux]

you guys envisioned a version of using Dino brand as a way for more electric vehicles, not considering what was the Dino for Enzo and how he envisioned it. I would personally see the Dino reboot as a rwd, 2.0 hybrid v6, smaller in size, gated manual, ~500 hp, ~150k..., a ferrari for the actual enthusiasts, a ferrari that you can hope to use it at full chat on the roads; as great as all the current ferraris are, there isn't one model in the product range that can be used fully for more than a couple of seconds on the road..on any road bar the autobahn. It would be very nice if that would change a little.

[@betaich]

so the ferrari 296 gtb but a bit cheaper?

[@eugenux]

@@betaichbasically!, but smaller(engine and actual car), with a gated 6 and a Dino badge; honestly, no one needs, and can use, 900 hp on the roads.

[@obsidian....]

49:03 Made hundreds of thousands. You won't run out of old base Carrera's

[@GN1995_3]

I can’t believe they’re again complaining again the name of a car because it’s in Italian 😂 temerario is 95% the same word as temerary in your native English Sam 😅😘

[@lucasmoreno5330]

The guy on the left appears to only be invested in things he can sell. he's not a car guy.

[@hernanhernandez3861]

Do not convert the Stradale....

[@SWatchik]

Saw a bloody 914 restmod for 300k. In my opinion yes. Rich people got too much money and everyone wants a slice of the pie so will remake any old thing

[@tstret3104]

Please try and design/develop, build and sell (for profit) a desirable restomod for sub 100k… and you’ll then understand that 300k for 914 is probably spot on.

[@SWatchik]

@@tstret3104 I'm not saying it should be cheaper, I'm saying it shouldn't exist. 914 is not a platform that's worth the effort. Why can't people enjoy driving it how it was made which is perfectly fine. They just want something flash to brag about

[@tstret3104]

@@SWatchik Because objectively 914s were underpowered and the platform as whole underdeveloped.. which gives perfect justification for a restomod treatment. If it were something like an E46 M3 for example I’d agree with you. But not a weak, under-appreciated 914

[@danasathan2410]

@@SWatchikThat’s such an L take. Just because you don’t like doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist lmaoo. To someone it serves an alternative to 300k supercar probably, one without a bunch of electronics and hybrid stuffs but a more raw and attention to details experience. Probably a non car people also feel that your favourite supercar/sports car shouldn’t exist cause all a car needs to do is to drive from a to b and you just want something flash to brag about.

[@janwlaaa]

53:03 I'm glad Sam mentioned it. There idea of improving the looks of something like a Diablo is a bit delusional.

[@MrRaitzi]

Most cars you don't need to restomod. It is only the shitboxes. But that is why you love them. Not because they drive like modern car. People want illusion of their memory to match the car. But in reality it was a shitbox in modern standards.

[@MW-uy3np]

Don’t manual convert your car it will never be the same. Factory cars are where it’s at. Tony is right about safety. Old cars aren’t designed to be that fast and survive those speeds. If you fully cage it then ok I get it but only ruf does that ?

[@proper_miles]

Now that all Lambos are hybrids, they’re officially a German company. It used to feel like an Italian company with the financial support of Germans… Now it’s just Audi with radical designs… I’d buy a Lambo tractor before these over-engineered electric edgy Audis.

[@joewicker8599]

To parrot Nd expand a comment in the thread: You two, and Spike Feresten's show as well, have officially jumped the shark. So out of touch with the sporting car audience from whuch, in part, you built your wealth upon. Droning on about how bored fantastic cars are to you...Unable to muster the energy or interest to drive the marvelous stock you own. Sam's come to Jesus moment about the joy of a simple used Boxster should be a evangelical baptism reality check.

[@obsidian....]

52:35 Yes, because those old 355s are sitting there, with zero miles, and will never be used. Convert 10 into something special and the world is better off. . Tony acting like these boutique firms can't do better than Ferrari in the 80s/90s is hilarious! Those things were piles of shite,.made by a bunch of drunks, out of tin.

[@barneyrubble9309]

the market for these will only get bigger as the target market is the rich elite. Us plebs will be forced out of private transport so the only market left will be the rich. I can see there being many more retsomods at stupid prices but personally i no longer watch vids for these rich boys toys regardless of how well they are built etc. as they are way beyond even a dream...they make even Ferrari's and Lambos a realistic dream (they arent but compared to these they are).

[@jamsxr]

New cars are a bit shit, that’s the problem. Even the good ones look rubbish.

[@mlhmedia987]

Restomods are like polishing turds - it can't be done