Is This A Training Issue Or Is She In Pain?

In this video Emily evaluates a horse that will not take a left lead.
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[@allieville9864]

Your wife is amazing at assessing this horse, she is better than a lot of vets I know, seriously.

[@TMesser74]

I agree. I was amazed.

[@archeanna1425]

Thanks so much for demonstrating this. Years ago my wonderful Morgan mare would not take one lead. My riding instructor wanted me to whip her on her neck and shoulder but I refused. A horse therapist found, and showed us, that there was asymmetry in her shoulder blades and I remembered seeing her fall on ice and land hard on her chest months previously. The therapist was able to do one adjustment right then and she was fine on both leads when I briefly rode her the next day, and she stayed that way. It was remarkable and I was delighted.

[@topcatwarrior]

I hope the owner and this lovely little horse can get squared away and on the trail again. Such a sweet and patient mare, she accepted all of Emily’s physical assessments without fuss or protest. Thanks for an informative video.

[@Apb23]

Ok, this is awesome… I really like how Emily explains what is happening and it’s so cool what an awesome team you both are!

[@donnac.1609]

Such a nice mare! I hope that her problem can be dialed in on. This was a great evaluation and recommendstion. Hope we get an up date as time and research move a long!!

[@Lotusblue234]

Really awesome info! Love all the anatomy stuff. As an artist, the thing about the neck+withers vertebra placement totally explained why i have so much trouble drawing horse necks 😂👍🏼

[@vancouvervixen4253]

Wow. She’s fantastic. Not only is she obviously very skilled but her ability to teach and explain is phenomenal! Mare is lovely, what a nice disposition she has! Something definitely isn’t right with that shoulder, seems like an “I can’t” situation for her, not an “I won’t”

[@fion1flatout]

That was great. We could see straight away how well trained the mare was, so not surprising to find some physical trouble, which was explained beautifully. All the best to horse and owner, thanks for sharing

[@mindi7998]

I had a mare who before I got her. Had gotten out on the road with her foal. And of course the foal freaked out. The traffic in that area is super heavy, he's headed right for the bad intersection. So the mare tried to head him off but as she took off she slips on the road. In doing so she tore a good 2 inches of the right hind hoof loose and it was tired clear up and past the coronet band. The foal was caught safely and mare was taken to vet for medical attention. But because whenever she moved it hurt, she learned to stand and walk in a way it caused less pain. But in doing so she developed what was a aquired club hoof and it was rated at 4 and 1/2 which isn't good. So then I bought her, and I realized that she could be helped. So I did massage and bodyworks on her 3 times a week. And it wasn't a quick recovery it took a year and a half before any signs of it improving came about. I noticed signs of being lame were disappearing and she wasn't tripping like she had been. She had the best Farrier in our area, and I finally told him what I had been doing. He measured her hoof,watch her in her gaits, and watch me get her to bend then told me he couldn't believe it but the bones in that hoof were returning to their proper places and hoof had widen out and her heel had dropped a lot. She is now sound again,but it's amazing how important it is to noticed little things your horse does why in pen or out grazing. And how an injury can harm other parts of the horse as she didn't developed a clubbed hoof in the right hind hoof,it was developed in the left front hoof.

[@KendrasMinistries]

Thank you for your channel. My husband was involved in an auto accident last November and passed in February. Through his hospitalization I watched this channel and it really blessed me to distract myself on to my love of horses. Your training is such a balance of Liberty and practical horsemanship. I have learned a lot. Again thank you and I continue to watch to learn.

[@sherryw-ponyluv-er2394]

Very interesting. Hope the horse makes progress and maybe we get to see a follow up?

[@KingsMom831]

Thanks for another video! Love seeing Emily in the videos, as she offers a unique perspective. The two of you together, offers more layers of depth & understanding. Tysm!

[@OnceUponaTimeline]

Thank you! I hope we get a follow up on this one. It's like watching half of a mystery tv show but missing the end!

[@user-pr5op5vc5l]

Eye-opening! Thank you. Hope to see more on this mare.

[@jhamner9484]

Her left front hoof is long in the quarters, her hairline is bulging at the quarters, her toe is long and starting to dish. I’d find a new ferrier

[@beverlymiller525]

What are those two lumps of muscle under her withers, on her right side, because she doesn't have that on the left. Is that because she's not using the left as much because of that stiffness would a daily massage instrument help her shoulder too, because she needs to do something while she's so young and I like everything that you've done, you explained it very nicely and I understood what you were talking about. She is a flashy mirror but she needs to be built up, for a quarter horse she is on the slim side, from my experience. I pray that she comes through this and is able to move the way that she should without any pain because God knows we don't know if she's in pain. Because she is such a sweet horse, I am glad that you came out to see her because she is a flashy mare and deserves the best of everything, as all horses do❤❤❤🐴🐎

[@jeannem6723]

Fascinating! Does your wife have a youtube channel? That was awesome!

[@meganboucher3736]

I can really appreciate this video because I am a massage therapist for humans, and I also struggle with biomechanical stuff with my horse. I need to get someone that does rehab and PT for horses out to evaluate my own guy, because I just don’t have quite the knowledge and skills at this point to do it on my own. I’ve been learning, but I’m still missing pieces. So thank you for sharing this perspective of horse care and work.

[@slmronan]

A Wealth of thought provoking information. Thank You, Emily!

[@cassiejohnson9152]

My favorite part... Have you had the vet look at her? Yeah Did they find anything? No Some many times people will rule out pain when horses exhibit behavior issues. This one luckily isn't exhibiting dangerous behaviors, but we had one that did. Bucking that was completely out of character. Had a vet out who "ruled out" pain. Said she was just naughty and said we needed to "get after her" for the behaviors.. wish more vets had this kind of eye for lameness. Would save a lot of horses. I'm glad I didn't believe the vet who misdiagnosed our horse and I kept searching for answers.

[@U2dskier]

Wow!! very informative! Thank you.

[@user-tb6lg5jd7o]

Your Wife is amazing in Assisting Horses physically problems she's in pain ❤❤

[@ellenwheat3608]

Fabulous session. Very impressive

[@alfie8953]

Great video. Assessing a horse for physical problems when encountering less than ideal behaviour is always a good move. I will feel happier watching your videos knowing you take the possibilty of physical discomfort seriously.

[@shonamathie1607]

I’ve loved all your videos and so great to see your wife at work too , what a team you must make ❤

[@nadinehulbig5582]

Great video, would love to see more of your wife diagnosing issues 👍

[@archangel807]

Unusual for a horse this young...hope owner can deal with the serious issues or let the horse go to someone that can.......

[@dianehookham]

Emily is great! Please can you keep us up to date, let us know what the problem is

[@MargaretB-im7ts]

You and your wife are amazing!!

[@SG-vu4qy]

great info. i saw this beautiful mare loads more weight on her right fore. hoof flare wider than left and her right fore is carried under her body. little details are telling. So glad your wife came to check this mare out. After more Vet diagnostics, I have utilized electro-acuscope and myopulse (Micro-current) modality with great success. wishing the best outcome for this mare and her kind owner.

[@annab4796]

Nicely done, Emily! Thank you for taking us through the assessment process. It was very informative. :)

[@catherinee.millard1831]

Wow, Ryan! Your wife is so smart! 😃 And what a gorgeous, sweet, well-behaved mare. Thank you so much for another interesting video!

[@guemesferrytrail2380]

Emily I learned so much in this short video. Thanks for doing more videos with Ryan. You are a great team. Nice tee shirt too.

[@aprilburchfield9339]

Great video! Loved seeing this from a physical therapist’s viewpoint !

[@katiethiry]

I hope we get to hear about the additional diagnostics and the follow up with Emily. Sending healing vibes to this cute mare.

[@topolinofarm9343]

More of these videos please!

[@edelm6062]

This was a great informative video.

[@tnit7554]

@edelm. So true.🤗

[@lizroberts1569]

Strange gait, and definitely stiff in the back end, sometimes a problem with the backend affects the front & vice versa. I hope they find the cause, she’s a pretty horse

[@tennesseewalkers9398]

I loved watching Emily go through the assessment. It was very interesting.

[@JohnDoe-qu8ny]

Very ♥️ helpful 👌 thank you Ryan for your videos

[@lilianmcguigan9240]

So interesting. Ty.

[@SHPj]

This is so amazing!! I would love to see more videos like this, even if it was just a portion of a video 💗

[@davidj5718]

Ryan I think it’s super cool having your wifey join in . Hope to see more of you guys working together . Nice man 👍

[@ilsewatkins5357]

I would like to see a follow up on this horse. Please and Thank You!

[@meb3153]

Excellent, thanks

[@NNLBC]

little bit similar to my older 'rescue' gelding, please post an update when you figure out what is wrong with her, it's interesting

[@latterrain09]

Plezse follow up on this sweet mare for us. And its nice seeing Emily do an evaluation.

[@chrysokami]

This is an amazing video! I'd love to see and learn more about correct muscle movements and horse anatomy like this!

[@wjm9987]

lovely horse

[@lindahollister5530]

Really like watching what goes on with these beautiful horses. Thank you for showing this.

[@dbk7591]

Show us the stretches! Great video!

[@user-bk6mo8xb8q]

I loved this video. Emily is so professional and it is so interesting to see her assessment. Hopefully you all will do a follow up in the future. It is so nice to see such a caring owner as well . I think it is important for owners to be open-minded about testing and treatments available for their horse.

[@LisadeKramer]

Excellent video. Thank you

[@MargaretB-im7ts]

That's a lot of physical stuff for that horse. You can see the hoof issue even just on this. Beautiful horse. Did she actually slip on that plastic bag that was floating around. Owner said paper bag and then said plastic, something is off on the story.

[@electrowave114]

Judging from the way the owner corrected herself on what type of bag it was, it sounded more like she'd simply misspoke "paper" when she'd meant plastic. I do the same thing, and it's not because I'm being untruthful - it's because sometimes something gets crosswired between the brain and the mouth and a word you don't even intend to say comes out. Which you then have to correct to the actual truthful word, that being the word you'd originally intended to say to begin with. Such verbal mishaps occur more often, in my experience, when you're retelling something you've been told, and so are more focused on memory than precise wording. And considering the owner wasn't actually there when it happened, and is retelling something someone else told her, it's pretty understandable that there was a word mishap. Not all instances of someone having to correct a word they used is from anything suspicious. Often enough, it's just an honest mistake.

[@janwoelffer7940]

Thank you for this helpful presentation

[@ER78A]

Can we see more of Emily? This has been very interesting and informational!

[@grapeape1968]

I enjoy watching your vids. I am not a rider or horse owner so could you explain bent ,crossfire etc. Also updates on what this issue was would be nice

[@marshaworkman2764]

That was absolutely fantastic!! So informative!! Thank you so much for sharing this!! Wish there was someone with your wife’s knowledge closer!!❤😊

[@chrisp7548]

Very interesting. I hope you keep us posted on how the horse does. Thank you!!

[@carlyfenton-wyrick1560]

I keep trying to find this type of "physical therapist for horses" and I never find anyone. I can find "body workers" or chiro, but they won't do an assessment like this prior to working on the horse, they just start doing adjustments. What titles or services should I search for to find someone like this in my area? Thanks for the great videos.

[@electrowave114]

In this video and others on the channel, Emily's referred to as working in "equine rehab". So looking for equine rehab might get you better results.

[@bcrhorsemanshipllc]

Loved this video as well. I sure appreciate your wife taking her time to explain more on this. Sure makes me wish I could have gone to school to study this so I could use it in my training more. Is your wife considered an Osteopath? Thank you to you both for the great videos.

[@gardengirl1191]

Great to see you together finally. Smart PT!

[@oliviatyrrell4122]

This is such a great explanation of a functional exam, great job Emily! I’m also a CERP (LVT) and I really appreciate your recommendation for diagnostics. It’s important for us to work hand in hand with veterinarians. I wonder if she could stretch and apply kinesio tape to encourage ROM, following clear diagnostics of course.

[@lisaweinberger4197]

Very interesting; thank you for sharing. I would love to hear a follow up on diagnostics if the owner got any😊

[@suzanneperkins5545]

What a great video, great information. I had no idea the spine was so low in the neck. Thanks you. Can I give one small critique, at 20:02 on the video you look at your hand and appear to wipe your hand off on the horse. As a horse owner that would have bothered me, esp if it was oil from their hooves. maybe a small rag in your pocket would help. I did love the video, you guys are incredible at what you know and share with up. don't get mad at my comment :)

[@MargaretB-im7ts]

Scapula or humeral joint? Bone spir in cubital joint?

[@Wildhareequinecenter]

LLD the wedge has made it worse.

[@flobrowne3970]

Why the wedge shoes? Something was said about the left front having a higher wedge. Is the right foot clubby and farrier trying to bring the good foot up to match it? I train racehorses, have tried what we call degree pads twice, once up front, once behind. Both times ended up with soreness high up, shoulder and sacro joint. Won't use them again. Had horses with clubby feet, blacksmith always wanting to wedge the good foot to match the club. Won't let them do it. This is a 10 second slo mo of a standardbred trotter winning stretch drive that I trained. This horse had a club foot. 54 degrees on the club, 50 on the good foot. Watch how clean he trots. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2jWoWWMhc2EfMU I abhor wedge shoes. Only asking for lameness down the line.

[@electrowave114]

In the video, it was explained that the reason for the wedge is because the heels of each front foot are broken - the wedge is there to bring the hooves into their natural position, not to raise a hoof to the level of the other. When the heels are broken, that drops the heels outside of their natural alignment, putting added strain on the tendons (if this gets bad enough, it can even cause the tendons to eventually snap, which is permanent and usually means having to put down the horse) - the wedge counters this. If one wedge is higher than the other, then that means one heel is more broken than the other. The objective with broken heels and wedging, is to give the heel time to recover while alleviating pain and preventing the occurance of a far worse problem (because without wedges, the heels likely won't recover, and that will lead to a plethora of lamness issues). The wedges are also supposed to be temporary and made smaller over time - the goal is to have the heels heal to the extent where the horse no longer requires wedges to be in proper alignment. To my awareness, you don't solve club feet with wedges, that didn't work because it was probably the completely wrong treatment to begin with (since it would be bringing the non-club foot _out_ of its natural alignment to do so). When it comes to cases like these, you want a farrier that specializes in corrective shoeing (these are rare), not just any random who can put nails in a hoof wall. It's not the treatment in and of itself that was the problem. It's that if you give someone a treatment that doesn't apply, it'll make them worse, but give the treatment to someone it does apply to, it'll make them better. Something not being a cure-all in areas where it doesn't apply doesn't make it evil. Just means it doesn't apply in that area.

[@alicepotter8165]

Why did you zero in on the front end rather than both ends? My horse will not take a right lead except after a jump and even then only for a few strdes.

[@catwoman2596]

Because she watched how the horse was moving and could tell that's where the problem was. Knowledge of anatomy and experience in other words.

[@childcrone]

She did investigate the hind end, too, on both sides, and the front is where she found the trouble.

[@scottiehall8695]

There was a significant reaction when your wife palpated the horse's back over his rump. Does she find this concerning?

[@assclown4570]

How does your generation take yourselves so seriously,like you invented this shit,is it the ignorance of the recent past,or you just think you are the only one