Today we test out the new CF Moto Papio 125 to see if it can hang with the king of the small bores
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@randallnixon34563 ай бұрын
Great video and great times with the son. I have had many bikes over the years and I absolutely love riding my mini moto (Vader 125). Stay safe and keep making memories
@armchairbikerstv3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for watching!
@garychilton8553 Жыл бұрын
well i think your vid. was good and glad to see us old timers are still riding look for moor vids. by the way i am 80 and my Groom is 2015
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
Awesome to hear you’re still riding! Thanks for watching!
@Previalegend2 жыл бұрын
It's a very attractive looking bike. Your review is very helpful. Im totally on the fence now. Thanks
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@gfromjupitr4844 Жыл бұрын
The Patio sounds good 👍
@buzzmartin86072 жыл бұрын
Great video, you and your dad do a thorough job. Thanks
@zmann10262 жыл бұрын
Hey you have the same name as the guy in the video, haha!
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Nice to see another Buzz on here lmao! More rides and updates coming in the future!
@buzzmartin86072 жыл бұрын
lol, I did get a kick out of his boomer buzz name. also love the Mr pappy name, nice job.
@skippyjones4195 Жыл бұрын
Looks like it would be a blast to ride
@jimhedley7459 Жыл бұрын
Hi armchair bikers , like yourself , we enjoy the small bikes as well as big capacity stuff , the small bikes are a riot , we’ve groms , monkeys , benelli tnts , I’d buy the cf moto papio if it comes to England , if not I’m tempted by a Honda dax , my opinion groms are the best road bikes , monkey is most comfortable , the benellis I brought one because I’d always liked them , and to compare the the Hondas , I must say I like them and I’m impressed , great review by the way 🏍🏍👍👍
@bkad62382 жыл бұрын
Video 👍👍 Papio is intriguing but the styling is off to me. I think the six speed tranny is overkill. I think it has potential to become a contender for 3rd or maybe second with some refinement
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! We have mixed feelings on the 6 speed but we might play around with some different sized sprockets
@sprc3352 Жыл бұрын
Great review on the Papio !! In case I didn't hear you , how is the suspension front / rear vs. the Grom ? Is is stiff / soft / bottom out easy ? Thanks !!!
@noisepuppet Жыл бұрын
I hear it's comparable to the Grom, which another reviewer called a little spongy.
@bnolsen25 күн бұрын
Aftermarket, parts, resale, cost of ECU flash makes the grom a win. cjr grom flash is still 99usd, dhm is 159usd. Cheapest papio flash i can find is 399usd. That erases any msrp savings.
@haruharu0w0 Жыл бұрын
interesting thing, Papio got its XO version and it have boxy sport fairing and undertail muffler + it launched in China on this March 2023
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
I saw that recently and I really hope they bring it to the U.S. market. There would be nothing else like it
@haruharu0w0 Жыл бұрын
@@armchairbikerstv i wish they bring it to Indonesia market too, 125cc manual are really popular here
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
@@haruharu0w0 Thanks for watching! It’s great to hear from people all around the globe!
@jasper5945 Жыл бұрын
CF Moto Papio vs Benelli TNT 135? which is better for you?
@Butts0hboi Жыл бұрын
Papio XO is going to be so sick
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
I really hope we can get our hands on one sometime soon!
@daniellandry9366 Жыл бұрын
Be honest with me, do I cancel my Grom pre order (no clue when I'm getting one) and get one of these? They're available right now, and they look awesome. Only thing I'm skeptical about is I've heard the breaks aren't great.
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
Personally I love my Grom, but after spending some time on the Papio and collectively we have put 1,000 miles on it, I honestly think it's a good alternative if you are tired of waiting around for a Grom to come in. Also, the brakes are plenty good, you just have to let the pads break in. When you first get on the bike, the pads are brand new and will feel weak but after some use they will feel fine. This is the case with all brand new brake pads regardless of the bike.
@Mayoyaquiwarrior Жыл бұрын
I like this papio but I like the grom just because gonna have all the custom parts u can do which to me makes it better
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
Yes much more customization for the Grom currently. Thanks for watching!
@BenderPY11 ай бұрын
@@armchairbikerstv Talking about the aftermarket parts to customize this bike. Which exhaust would you recommend me for my Papio?
@garyteague4480 Жыл бұрын
I had a kawaski zpro 125 and it was cool but in my mid 60’s and even with a bride seat it was very uncomfortable for me to ride , I went to a Navi 110 and it’s so much more comfortable but only getting 45 to 50 mph and I want to at least to 65 , I’m thinking about something like the kymco spade or the benilli 135 or the Lifan 150
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
The Kymco Spade is pretty comfortable with a nice flat seat and upright position, and noticeably more power than the 125’s. Thanks for watching!
@JessicaSimonson1976 Жыл бұрын
Most all so called Japanese bikes are made in China you can reference that on Auto-Chen click auto or motorcycle type in manufacturer.....they only carry a Japanese name.
@paulrosa170110 ай бұрын
The Papio is as comfortable as the NAVI and can go 60 mph! I traded my NAVI in for a PAPIO and because the new retro Papio is coming out, I got my 2023 Papio for $2499! OTD for $3,400.00
@paulrosa170110 ай бұрын
Go for the Papio! I'm 5'11", 160 lbs, 62 years old. The papio is fine on 55 mph streets.
@ramblinjay38162 жыл бұрын
I'm about to cancel my grom and get a Papio since they're in stock. I've been waiting months upon months for my grom and it just keeps getting pushed. I guess i can always get a grom later on in life if one pops up. I just need something to practice on.
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Ya Groms are hard to come by these days, plus some dealers are marking them up. For whatever reason our local dealer is having a much easier time getting CF Moto products compared to anything Japanese
@ramblinjay38162 жыл бұрын
@@armchairbikerstv same here. All I am seeing lately are CFMotos. I just sat on a few of their I think CXL-700’s and adventuras.
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
@@ramblinjay3816 The NK 300 is another bike that has our attention
@Metalbass19792 жыл бұрын
I agree. The date for the Grom coming in stock keeps getting pushed back. After looking at these and finding out that my local dealer isn't price gouging on them, I'm definitely going for the Papio The big decision now is trying to decide which color I like better.
@ramblinjay38162 жыл бұрын
@@Metalbass1979 yeah I’m considering it myself. My dealership is saying end of august for my grom but since I could get a papio for like I dunno, maybe 3,800 or less. I think they’re 2,999 here starting. I paid 4,372 for my grom.
@DogMania7 ай бұрын
Just checking in on you guys… haven’t seen any new content recently and hope all is well!
@armchairbikerstv6 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for thinking of us! We stepped away for a little while for some personal endeavors but we will be getting back into the swing of things soon. Hope your new year is off to a good start!
@bryanlinville9053 Жыл бұрын
I wish Lifan would make their kp mini 150 Fuel injected. But still a great bike. Not too Familiar with this new bike he’s comparing to the Grom I don’t know if it’s fuel injected or not
@lostintheclouds8719 Жыл бұрын
How does this one compare to the bintelli beast 150
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
I'd love to answer that but we personally haven't had any experience with that bike. Thanks for watching!
@Kabanaboy62 жыл бұрын
Awesome I got one too 😁
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for watching!
@ProDigit803 ай бұрын
9:28 apparently the Chinese scooters can do 10k+ miles with some care and maintenance.
@johndefalque50618 ай бұрын
It looks like a little hornet! I want to buy a scooter or minimoto next year. This is a bike I can get in Canada. Some of those Chinese bikes are weird like the speedo mounted on the gas tank-you can't take your eyes off the road even for a second. This one looks good.
@smartassist9700 Жыл бұрын
What is the gas mileage? Can you give your general weight?
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
The Papio is a little less efficient than the Grom, we've been getting around 90mpg with it, and my father is the one who's been riding it the most, he weighs around 210 pounds. The Groms are always 100+ mpg
@rivercitymetaldetecting9854 Жыл бұрын
Gas cap key access point is crooked lol.
@borky198710 ай бұрын
Yeah, noticed that too 😬
@countrycanadian44 Жыл бұрын
What's cost diffrence out the door after taxes freight pdi etc compared to grom then I'll make my decision thing is a honda resells everytime doubt u could sell this used sad to say how Chinese bikes are no one buys them used
@patricknotpat2 жыл бұрын
Wheres a good place to get one?
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
You'll have to find the closest CF Moto dealer near your area. If you go on their website they have a dealer locator
@bryanlinville90532 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why people refer to any mini Motos as a Grom clone! I had a Lifan Kp mini 150 that was awesome. It would eat a Grom and not even belch
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
The Grom is kind of the household name for anything small bore, but there are plenty Chinese or Taiwanese equivalents that are just as good or in some cases better depending on what you're looking for
@HarambeJawn2 жыл бұрын
How reliable was your kp? Looking at getting one!
@bryanlinville90532 жыл бұрын
@@HarambeJawn That was the best damn bike. The young guys who bought it absolutely loved it
@BluuSkyz Жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved my kp mini… one of the best minis out there.. they cost like 1300 dollars in Colombia too. Saw them when I visited and was like wtf there’s my kp mini!
@BluuSkyz Жыл бұрын
@@HarambeJawn I absolutely ripped mine for 12k miles not one issue.. wheelies, dropped it many times. No issues
@bryanlinville9053 Жыл бұрын
Is this new bike Carbureted?
@paulrosa170110 ай бұрын
I have a Kawasaki Z125 and a PAPIO 126. The six speeds let you go about 10MPH faster. But the Z125 has anti-lock brakes and purrs like a kitten. The Papio engine vibrates and is not nearly as refined. I am hoping the 2024 Z125 has two more gears? KAWASAKI needs to do that!!!!
@johncolosio67642 жыл бұрын
Are you in lake George?
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Yes this was in Lake George. Thanks for watching!
@johncolosio67642 жыл бұрын
@@armchairbikerstv I'm in longisand but we vacation there alot great video.
@BmxCouchPotato2 жыл бұрын
I was just going to ask the same, looks like Bolton landing. I live in glens falls!
@scrambler69-xk3kv Жыл бұрын
They may be great, but the biggest problem with CF Moto is the dealer network or more importantly lack of. I bought one, then the next thing I know he is out of business. Said they just did not sell in our area. People think since they are Chinese they must be junk. I hear they sell fine in some states, but I live in Harley land, that is about all you see around here.
@JessicaSimonson1976 Жыл бұрын
Harley land.....no such thing....old verses young. You're only as old as bike you choose to ride.
@dominickroy646010 ай бұрын
I have 11 dealers in the Phoenix area that sell and work on CFMOTOs. They sponsor and compete in Moto3. They have been hot sellers in Asia and Europe for 4 years (for bikes) and since 2006 in the US for side-by-sides. In July 2023 they bought more than 50% of of Pierer (who owns KTM). Partner with KTM and build many of their (and other manufacturers) engines. And, when talking to dealers, they can't keep them on the showroom floor as they sell very quickly. It's too bad that Harley Land (where is that?) is depriving you of so much fun.
@poisonpickle47162 ай бұрын
126cc
@HoardFarms4 ай бұрын
But does it wheelie
@armchairbikerstv4 ай бұрын
Yes!
@davidledford3522 Жыл бұрын
The papi looks better
@Drive3152 жыл бұрын
He said "grom is the pinnacle" and hes right! Check out my grom on my channel its a 2018
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Its hard to beat a Honda! Thanks for watching!
@bryanlinville9053 Жыл бұрын
I think If Lifan and some other mini motos would come out with fuel injection it would make a big difference
@czierwo Жыл бұрын
I've got Z125Pro, and it's better than Grom. Grom has more torque down low, otherwise worse in every aspect. When Riding Grom, I felt like on a rattled bicycle whereas my Z feels like a proper motorbike, including much better suspension, seat and what not. Explains why I put more miles on my Kawi alone than half the town combined on their pos Groms with every mod available on the market. On the side note, no grom yet beat my stock Z on track either. For whatever reason people praise Groms and regard to everything else as a copy where other than the approximate square size bikes have absolutely nothing copied of Honda.
@dominickroy646010 ай бұрын
Benelli is Chinese made. Styled in Italy. China is a huge country with many different manufacturers and a horrible government. Many manufacturers are low quality - but some make very good products.
@donaldwaddel4600 Жыл бұрын
Chinese bike = COUNT ME OUT... Papio MSRP for $3000. Honda Grom for $4000. Buying the Grom is a no brainer!
@aplonicycommunity7407 Жыл бұрын
The cf moto is canadian
@denttimeАй бұрын
You know the Honda bikes are also manufactured in china? 😉
@armchairbikerstvАй бұрын
@denttime thailand
@willbecker563223 күн бұрын
IDK I find it's a more comfortable mini moto .... I'm Louisiana we can find them for 1500-2000 vs the grom for about 4k and I'm talking new ones used market they both seem to go for about a grand
@urbantrail76357 ай бұрын
honda grom is made in thailand.
@warrenpeas Жыл бұрын
please gps confirm top speeds.
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
When compared against Google Maps, the Papio speedometer is consistently displaying a speed 2-3 mph faster. The Grom speedometer is slightly better and displays a speed 1-2 mph faster than gps.
@warrenpeas Жыл бұрын
@@armchairbikerstv what has been yout top speed? i saw another review said he got 69mph stock. i know its a 6 speed but thats way faster than a grom and can oyu imagine what it would do with exhaust and tuned? so i have my doubts it gets above 55
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
@@warrenpeas We both have groms and have actually gotten them to 73mph (according to speedometer) with a slight downhill. The Papio keeps up with no problem, so 69-70mph actual speed is achievable, just depends on rider weight, wind, and whether or not you're going downhill. I will say that most of the time we find ourselves cruising at 55mph
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/omnVan5qaqp3mrM Watch this for an example of our top speeds
@superwag6344 ай бұрын
It says in the manual not to go over 4,000 rpm for first 300 miles. So you rev its tits off with zero miles on it 😂
@armchairbikerstv4 ай бұрын
Hell yeah brother
@aaronbugaiski2487 Жыл бұрын
I thought CF moto was produced in Taiwan? Im not 100 percent on that. Stuff produced in Taiwan is of WAY better quality then anything coming out of china. I know Kawasaki has some of there quads produced under license for them by cf moto.
@armchairbikerstv Жыл бұрын
I definitely don’t have all the facts memorized, but I believe you’re confusing CF Moto with Kymco. Kymco builds stuff in Taiwan and produces some small engines for Kawasaki like the motor in the Z125. CF Moto is all Chinese as far as I know. Thanks for watching!
@miketran4289 Жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHHA.. No.
@tomg62842 жыл бұрын
I would have watched your video but your music was so bad I stopped. Off to a better choice.
@armchairbikerstv2 жыл бұрын
Ok haha. Let me know what music you listen to and I'll incorporate it in our next video
@eja3402 Жыл бұрын
You lost me when you said "Chinese".. No interest whatsoever.. no matter what
@jasonwilliams5046 Жыл бұрын
I think the Grom is manufactured in China
@albeefuctifino2602 Жыл бұрын
It's Chinese but not chinesium, they're not building these cheap, they're building them to compete with the Japanese companies but need to sell them cheaper to get people in the seats