Is this the most luxurious rear lounge motorhome of them all?

Peter Vaughan tests the latest Liner-for-two from Carthago, based on the rear-wheel drive, 5.8-tonne Iveco Daily. With its fabulous C-shaped rear lounge, complete with 40in TV and an electric reclining sofa, this German A-class has the ultimate in relaxation space, but it also has drop-down single beds, a huge garage, superb washroom and lots more.
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◼️ REVIEWED BY: Peter Vaughan, Group Motorhome Road Test Editor for MMM magazine and What Motorhome magazine Editor. Peter has been writing about motorhomes since the age of 14, has a love of touring France and is mad about old Italian sports cars.
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[@nickjh1968]

Staggering considering the base price is nigh on 180k, how so many essential items are classed as ‘extras’, with extortionate price tags. 2k for a bolt on tow bar? £500 for a step? Absolute insanity.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

It's typical of high-end German motorhomes, but also increasingly other high-end products. Some car manufacturers ask £10k for "special paint" and look at the cost of carbon accesories on Ferraris, etc.

[@rscosworthfan]

its not that long ago when bmw and mercedes didnt fit a radio to their vehicles there was a blanking plate there look back at some older mercs nothing on the dashboard but the speedo rev counter hazard warning and fog light switch thats all you got on the dashboard

[@escapethematrix5069]

Nice if you like that 80's design. Far too expensive.... You can get the Adria Supersonic 9metre for less money and with a STUNNING design.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Yes, the Supersonic is stunning in its interior design. Have you seen our review? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4mQlZxjpLB8fLM But no RWD option on the Adria and no double floor storage. Would love to see a Supersonic with this rear lounge layout!

[@escapethematrix5069]

@@MotorhomeCampervan I agree about the rear lounge with a drop down bed and more under floor storage. Also when will these big beasts get 4 wheel drive for those soggy winters?

[@escapethematrix5069]

@@MotorhomeCampervan Have seen the review, shame it wasn't the longer one.

[@Daveyengland]

That starting price is outrageous… and all the extras for even more, feels like an epic swindle on vulnerable, older, rich folk.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

I think anyone with a quarter of a million quid to spend on a leisure vehicle will be wise enough to know what they're doing. Hardly a swindle when a top spec Range Rover is £140k before options and the new Ferrari SUV is £400k!

[@ArnoldClarke]

It’s true, no bigger fools than folks with money.

[@peterhobbs7609]

Very James Bondesque, if I had the money I’d have it in a heart beat, great review Peter

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Thanks. It's a lovely 'van!

[@rscosworthfan]

best layout

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Yes, it's a great layout!

[@michaelmorley6522]

Superb review.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Thank you. Hope you've subscribed to the channel?

[@michaelmorley6522]

@@MotorhomeCampervan I subscribed some time ago, would encourage others who might not already, to do so.

[@IslaSprollie]

Love the van, best layout I have seen. Also love the constructive criticism, how else are manufacturers going to know if they have made errors?

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Thank you for your comments. Always try to show the good and bad in every 'van - but some makers aren't so keen on me showing the negatives!

[@IslaSprollie]

@@MotorhomeCampervan keep up the good work, great reviews with personality.

[@bozwellboyce8364]

@@MotorhomeCampervan Not necessarily negatives, just.... developments

[@andrewmorgan7871]

£244K ?!!! Does it come with a free unicorn or is that an optional extra too?

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Sorry, the unicorn is extra!

[@stevedock1279]

Much enjoyed the review. As a Carthago owner the only thing I would say is that I disagree with your comments regarding the rear view camera. Ours has the same set up. The camera is an ‘on the go’ camera as well so I always use this as well as the mirrors when driving. If it was on the screen on the dash board I wouldn’t be able to use the sat nav screen at the same time. You soon get used to glancing to the right to view the camera whilst also checking your mirrors, it does work when you get used to it and I wouldn’t want a different system!

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

OK, point taken, but I'd still prefer the screen in a more visible position. Hope you're enjoying your Carthago

[@AdrianSnell]

I think If I was going to spend £2670 on a TV - I WOULDNT WANT THE &*(*&^ CUSIHION COVERING PART OF IT !!!!!!!!!! Also the mirror near the toilet gives us a great view of the bog brush - it looks like you've got two !! How posh !

[@greenjacket66]

How much is the little green bottle?

[@rscosworthfan]

I have never seen a lounge as good as this anywhere on any motorhome or rv the two rear facers make it really sociable this is all the motorhome you would ever need just need to get the jackpot to be able to buy it now id live in it fulltime and never go back to bricks and mortar the only fault if im nitpicking is the fact you cant fully move the table at the rear out of the way a seperate standalone folding one would have been a better option

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Probably only the rear lounge models from Frankia are as good

[@rscosworthfan]

@@MotorhomeCampervan id forgot about them

[@karlospappy8908]

Very nice, agree with you |Peter re the lounge table Peter and love the dash. also like the way the cab disappears. We ran an Iveco when they first came in to the country in the late 80's and it was awful, I'm sure they have come along way now. Cheers K.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Glad you liked it

[@darkghost8475]

عالی بود❤❤

[@BabyBooHoot]

Quality review as usual Peter, top man, you know the game so well. Not saying the van isnt worth it , but price is way out of my league. Dont expect to see many on the Uk roads.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Surprisingly, perhaps, it's Carthago's biggest 'vans that sell best in the UK!

[@BabyBooHoot]

I can imagine a quality product, What kind of volume / market share are sold each year@@MotorhomeCampervan

[@stevenbennett3922]

Sorry, for a moment there I thought you said it starts at £172k.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Yes, but even mainstream van-based motorhomes are £80k now.

[@stevenbennett3922]

@@MotorhomeCampervan Oh I know, but the on the road price of that van puts it in RC motorhomes territory.

[@andrewmoorey6103]

Carthago laughing all the way to the bank. For 172 bags of gold I would expect all of the options included.

[@omega19uk]

I expected the table to lower giving you the option for the rear lounge to be used as sleeping accommodation in a quarter of a million £ MH

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

I wouldn't want a bed made for seats at £250,000, but I think it's another option

[@Barnaby_bo]

You know its a big van when a 40 inch tv appears out of nowhere. Not having heated front seats could be a deal breaker though.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

I'm fairly sure they'll be on the options list!

[@keithwelton]

Would do me nicely, just need to win lottery before purchasing.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Me too!

[@raymondpiper4792]

Dear Santa.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Agreed. Lovely thing for 3 months around Europe

[@mrmeg01]

What a thing

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Agreed!

[@jezwild3543]

It's very nice and very spendy, but the non folding table is the deal breaker.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

I bet the dealer would modify it for you if you wanted to spend £240k...

[@freeley34]

Thanks for another excellent review Peter. I saw this van at the motorhome show recently but I'd already been in the Supersonic by then and had fallen in love with that. This is the perfect rear lounge for me but that price tag is not realistic when compared to the Supersonic. I couldn't see if there was any ventilation with the drop down bed? EDIT: I just bought my first ever issue of MMM yesterday, mostly to read your review of the Supersonic. Did I mention I love the Supersonic, 😄

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Hope you're hooked on MMM now and love the mag as much as the Supersonic. It's cheaper if you subscribe...

[@christophermcrae3756]

Absolutely stunning, you've got to really really like motorhoming to pay that sort of money though in my opinion, I would be frightened to death driving it

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

It's actually very easy to drive. Not as wide as some, good visibility and mirrors, and (as an A-class) same width all the way along the sides.

[@MrBerry67]

I would buy one - but not at that price - doesn't offer value for money- thanks for the review though

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Hope you enjoyed the review. Maybe look at smaller Carthagos, or Frankia - the Platin has a lot more spec as standard. See - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3aqpXR6p816la8

[@EV-Diary]

Love your videos - for the money there’s vans look so old the wood colour is just horrible

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Thank you. I suppose things like wood colour are very personal. I quite liked the very white interior of the Wingamm but lots of viewers hated it!

[@BertMerlin57]

All campervans have same issue, very little cutboard workspace in the kitchen area…..

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Well, you are living in a smaller space, so there are compromises, but some models put the kitchen as a higher priority than others. It's a matter of finding what suits - we've tested all types/sizes/brands, so keep watching the channel!

[@philipbass9975]

Beautiful Motorhome but an obscene amount of money on “extras”

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

That's the German way, I'm afraid. The base price is just a starting point. Same applies to top-end cars now, though.

[@BabyBooHoot]

Read down through all the comments, obviously I am not the target audience when it comes to price, perhaps for most people here. Age and time left has alot to do with a purchase of a motorhome for me , my next bday is 60 , i am not financially rich , just wanting value for money is my driver and buying the best I can afford. The adria or Burstner a class 2nd hand are my most aspirational van with my budget. The other thing that I often wonder is if you have alot of money to buy a motorhome of this value, would this person be interested in cooking their own meals , and emptying a toilet........ Perhaps I need to get out more. I just wonder who buys motorhomes after a certain point. I understand it when it comes to motorsport teams . I wonder what a damaged repairable van would go for. I might manage that, anyway I still enjoy seeing top end vans and the neat design features they come up with. I liked the slideout in the kitchen ,,,,,,,,, clever thinking.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Have you watched our Düsseldorf video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYaypWeCpK2Cabc You'd be amazed at the scale of the market for motorhomes that are much more expensive than this! Hope you can find a nice used A-class!

[@BabyBooHoot]

Dusseldorf certainly an interesting show. I was lucky to find a Autotrail 2022 , GF 80, based on MMM review .Hadnt seen one till I went to pick it up. My trust was totally in your review of the GF 88. So far no disappointment, couple of niggles that I put right myself. All vans I believe have little things that need attention to start with. @@MotorhomeCampervan

[@ChrisSmith-gj7bb]

Very nice but not as good quality as the Concorde 890RRL

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Isn't that up a price level again? I'd reckon on well over £300k with a decent spec

[@ChrisSmith-gj7bb]

@@MotorhomeCampervan Yep, £100K difference but a different level altogether.

[@FrankKinlan888]

Rather than knock it on price, it’s something I’d like to aspire to. We’ve a Little Britain mentality with if I can’t afford it why should you have one. Are weight restrictions less onerous than our C1 entitlement on the continent ( Europe)?

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

Weight issues vary from country to country but in many places tolls are higher and speed limits lower for over 3.5t

[@debonaire54]

Southdowns motorhomes have a used 2020 model with more extras than this one and only 622 miles on the clock for £200,000; or a 2021 Fiat tag axle version , 5000 miles for a bargain £190,000. Bonkers.

[@TheGrandmasterMan]

nothing dates worse than brown wood like that

[@Wombles_Wanderings]

No electric front blind! so you can't bring the blind down whilst driving. Essential switches on the passenger side, such a sloppy conversion. Also all of these vans skimp on the driver side comfort. The driver has the tiny manual window, the passenger gets the electric window. Shame that such a premium motorhome is skimped on.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

It's the issue of A-classes being designed for LHD and then swapped to RHD. I can't see that changing with the relatively small number of RHD sales.

[@Wombles_Wanderings]

My Concorde has everything on the right hand drive, and the same large windows for both passenger and driver. The windows I understand are more complicated, but sure blanking off the switches and running extra wire to the driver's side? Pennies on a van of this price. It is the main thing that puts me off of this manufacturer.

[@brianpeters112]

The American tiffen is looking a whole Lot cheaper!

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

But is the quality similar?

[@ArnoldClarke]

Everything is all wrong with this van. I wish they’d ask me to design it.

[@MotorhomeCampervan]

What exactly is wrong? It's been hugely popular since launch

[@ArnoldClarke]

@@MotorhomeCampervan I must be odd 😂