Is Wuthering Waves Dying?? | Rednu Reacts

• Zenless Zone Zero Made...
Gacha Smack goes over Sensor Tower's revenue report for July and doesn't seem too impressed about Zenless Zone Zero's numbers. Meanwhile Wuthering Waves looks like it's having its worst month. Hoyoverse's biggest shill and strongest defender gives another take on the situation.
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[@Rednu]

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[@serinnamayberry1340]

Look i think every game should have a chance to grow without toxic cc's and toxic communities trying to shit on every game that comes out so their's can stay on top this is just purely asshole behavior and people need to grow up and stop acting insane over a damn game

[@jeron98E2]

There was only 1 banner july for wuwa,yinlin and jinshi were in june

[@narrrrr6805]

is changli banner was a month long ? from the start of july until it's end and only 1 banner is crazy, is there any content in the game in that dead week ?

[@xcaptcha]

Jinshi's banner was out on 28th June, literally only 3 days in June, the rest goes to July. You can't say that wuwa only have 1 banner on July

[@toastazazine1098]

@@xcaptcha Most sales happen on the first 3 days of a banner. You can see that for any game when a banner is released. Jinhsi was also in July, but she didn't contribute nearly as much as she did towards June

[@theolailheugue9402]

​@@toastazazine1098 Jinhsi total revenus was just below Yinlin and for Changli she outsell Yinlin. Basicly 1.1 have outsell 1.0.

[@user-dt5su8mg8q]

During the same period, gi was a rerun banner. That's just an excuse. It should be focused on the fact that the hottest female character in the fresh new game, which was only released for 2 months, failed to get a sales lead. What did you feel when you saw firefly on hsr?

[@hentikirby7142]

Lots of terrible takes on wuwa. Not as bad as iyo? Kinda, but it is pretty bad. The breakdown on the game is mostly opinion and not really thought out fundamentals. 100 percent ur gonna get bad reactions from wuwa players. It's unavoidable, and I think that if you really want to set the record straight, either you just say it straight and accept that the game isn't to ur liking and that it is ok. The other option is to actually make a comprehensive breakdown on why the game is not at the core.

[@Rednu]

@@hentikirby7142 brother that's all I've ever said is that the game is not to my liking what. In what world do I have to disclaimer my opinions by saying they're my opinions

[@hentikirby7142]

@Rednu OK, but when you go out of ur way to make it out as a fact in other vids then it is not exactly an opinion anymore.

[@johnnydeez6953]

Wuwa sales is only 1 banner, that also lost the first 3 to 5 days in sales from ios, normally the majority of a banner sales comes from the 1st week. Granted it prob wont hit 90 mill, but lost half sales makes sense when u only got 1 banner.

[@izu1624]

Same thing happen with HSR last month, Starrail would easily have 150 mil last month if not because the first few days on Firefly banner were lost for some reason

[@hentikirby7142]

"How do you lose half?" People do realize that every game has this problem, right? People are not this stupid, right?

[@kittenlelouch]

gacha smack said the same thing when he was comparing this months revenue to last months firefly revenue, I hope he was being intentionally dense rather than a smooth brain

[@hentikirby7142]

@kittenlelouch He does say some rather dumb stuff at time, but I don't think he has any intention of spreading it as facts. More of a thoughtless remark.

[@kittenlelouch]

@@hentikirby7142 i think a lot of what he says doesn’t have a lot of thought behind it. It definitely doesn’t make him look good when he gets butthurt over people disagreeing with his videos

[@starryeyes5860]

People really are that stupid, unfortunately. Every new game that comes out when it eventually and inevitably loses players, we see this.

[@S4unny1107]

Because Wuthering Waves Banner is NOT a Scam.

[@AespaKatarina]

Game runs like dogsht but lemme swipe on it just to prove the "hoyoshills" wrong and make it seem like the game's doin really well 😂

[@Ew-wth]

@@AespaKatarina When was the last time you played it and on what device? With specs, please.

[@Baldhead-d2s]

​@@Ew-wthbruh 😂

[@Ew-wth]

@@Baldhead-d2s It's a genuine question and if someone can't answer that then I don't see how they should expect to run a game.

[@toastazazine1098]

Honestly true to some extent. Getting a character to S6R5 only costs around 40% of what it would in GI, so it'd probably be hard for them to get the same numbers. 29mil is a very good, even Kuro's CEO said he is surprised WuWa is making as much as it's making, so I bet the game is much more than fine. Whether these games make 100mil or 10mil doesn't really affect us players, so I find it still kind of weird why people care so much how much these companies squeeze out of their players.

[@Estheim]

thats the thing. "feel". True it gets new players, but based on statistics new players are just a minority. Majority are still hoyoplayers

[@Estheim]

Your sample size basically is very small to prove any point at all. Saying I dont think so because "I feel" and "my friends", even if all of your friends played zzz and not genshin, still wouldnt do a dent to what smack is saying. About 90% of zzz players are hoyo players (From genshin and star rai) doesnt matter how different zzz is.

[@famimame]

source to the 90%: trust me bro

[@Vahneris]

lol how about taking your own advice? You literally contradicted yourself lmao

[@5_tokki]

​@@Vahneris Mirror be expensive these days 😂

[@Bdog4114]

Everything you said about the characters, story and world on Wuwa, I personally feel like that for ZZZ. But to each their own. You mentioned that you were going to do a break down on ZZZ story vs Wuwa. I personally think thats a terrible idea and will just add fuel to the stupid gacha war drama. I get you like ZZZ and didnt like Wuwa and thats cool, but if you try to compare them with obvious bias takes, your going to get a lot of negative reaction and i think rightfully so. Unless thats what your going for in that case you do you

[@DogOYinLin]

@@Bdog4114 yeah story and characters are very subjective. Man straight up calls wuwa story and characters "ass", like I don't think the man will be able to give a neutral take on wuwa's story.

[@Bdog4114]

@DogOYinLin Not at all. And if he did everyone and there mom would react to it, ppl would flood his comments with Hate. Just seems like a bad idea unless your a CC who channel is based on drama. I don't get why ppl just can't enjoy the games they like without putting down the other. So weird lol

[@lechungus1832]

The way zzz tells their story is leagues better than wuwa where the characters just stand around and splurt dialogue

[@uchennaobi5985]

Let's be honest no hate but all gacha games's stories and characters are like mid compared to premium games.

[@DogOYinLin]

@@uchennaobi5985 yeah agreed, gacha games definitely don't have the same level of production as something like god of war, which is fine, it doesn't have to be peak story telling for people to enjoy it. I enjoy fast and furious movies even tho they are objectively, not the best stories. That's why I really dislike when someone comes up and says xxx story is "ass", regardless of your reason. Like yeah, it can objectively be bad cause of pacing or how the dialog is written, sure. But don't generalise it as "ass" cause it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of ppl who genuinely enjoy it regardless of its flaws

[@bai_reina]

i play genshin, hsr, wuwa and played zzz too, but dropped it ~ a week ago, because of the character designs, personal preference, just not my cup of tea for example, some of my favourite designs: jinshi from wuwa, himeko and ruan mei from hsr, neuvillette and navia from genshin i am a mobile only player, and hoyo games are very mobile friendly, they run like butter on my iphone and i have 0 problems with them on the other hand, even though i really like wuwa, it’s a piece of shit on mobile, it’s SO BAD, i can’t even describe it to you, the never ending freezes and lags, when you’re fighting, you’re not fighting the enemies, you’re fighting the camera, a single freeze, and it’s flying all over the place, half of the time i can’t even see what the hell my character is doing right now it’s REALLY BAD, like atrociously bad and i know for sure, that it is not a phone problem, as i said, hoyo games are doing amazing, it’s an optimisation problem for sure kuro promised to fix this shit in 1.2 and i’m waiting, but if it is just as bad, i’ll be forced to drop wuwa, because it’s fucking impossible to play like that, i like the game a lot, sometimes i play it in the computer club, just because i like the game and i want to play it normally but i don’t always have the time to go somewhere just to play the game, so i hope that they will fix that as soon as possible so, my point is, i think GS is kinda right about the “pc revenue” thing with wuwa, just because how horrendous it is on mobile and not a lot of people will download this game, experience all the freezes, lags etc and say “yeah! i’ll spend money on this game asap!” i’m F2P and i’ll remain F2P until they fix their optimisation on mobile, because i’m not spending on the game that i can’t play normally most of the time

[@devilkazumi578]

Wuwa plays great on my phone even better than genshin weirdly

[@Sturdycurve]

@@bai_reina wait runs bad on your phone? And why wuwa runs smooth on my s10? I also have a pc and it runs smooth.

[@bai_reina]

@@Sturdycurve idk, a lot of people seem to have this problem too :( some don’t and i’m happy for you guys, but maybe they did a better job with android optimisation and completely f up ios, idk

[@Sturdycurve]

@@bai_reina ah my bad, forgot you have ios, sadly i dont and will never use ios,idk what experience it is, i hope it will be fix this 1.2 patch today so you can enjoy too.

[@Piccolololmao]

Haters: you cant play wuwa on mobile, also haters : look at mobile revenue so low lmaoooo. what a joke 😂

[@sadiejohn7753]

WUWA is most FTP open world gacha RN .will not expect it revenue to shoot high

[@serinnamayberry1340]

@@Piccolololmao To be honest the only haters i see are people who dont want to see wuwa succed and try to come off with dumb lame ass comments why are you people so chicken shit afraid of this game ? That's the real joke🤣🤣🤣

[@the_superior_nerd2439]

Wuthering waves ain't dying this guy sounds like a hater not you rednu

[@Rednu]

😏

[@lincy5568]

bro grinding

[@Darkwindyeti06]

We need to let games grow to decide if a game is dead or not

[@hentikirby7142]

Very true. One game has just left the honeymoon phase while the other is still in its honeymoon phase.

[@5_tokki]

Or we simply can see whether the service still running or not.

[@Kramer8]

Oh you should watch gabimaru responce to valkyrja about wuwa, valkyrja being disingenuine about wuwa, he purposely prolonged wuwa daily, idk how you fall for it. Gabimaru is basically doing wuwa daily for 3 minutes! in his second response video he included wasting out the waveplates aswell, and it took less than 6 minutes. he's small creator, but he have many good point.

[@Rednu]

I will make sure to take a look

[@narrrrr6805]

sadly the echo system itself that limit player that only play a little like 3 minutes a day, it was so hard to get a good echo without farming overworld. from the game perspective i understand why they make it hard, to balance thing out, because you can farm echo infinitely and only upgrading the best of the best echo for most effective usage of exp that really not amount much. i don't have that much time for my self to play game, on top of open world and all that grinding, i choose to stop. this is just my situation, i am sure everyone different and it is okay

[@toastazazine1098]

@@narrrrr6805 I mean, it doesn't really require you to grind in the overworld, only few people actually do that. Only spending your daily stamina on Tacet Fields gives you pretty much the same results as in these other games.

[@narrrrr6805]

@@toastazazine1098 As you know it a matter of luck, the time needed to get good echo can vary from only 1 hour to infinity, my luck not that good. So to increase my chance i feel like i need to farm over world. If only the game make you cannot farm over world that will make my mind at ease, because at least i tried what i can It good that you can play when you want, but as a gacha game this system make me burnout so fast (it the same feeling as i play offline idle game, when it good at first but because you can play it anytime it burnout so fast). It is what it is

[@toastazazine1098]

@@narrrrr6805 The part I wouldn't agree with is that you called the option to grind more limiting to people who only play for 3min, when not doing so shouldn't result in worse results than in other games, so it's not like not doing it gives you a worse experience than these other games. You are also not missing out on limited daily resources like stamina when not doing that, so in my opinion, they give players the option to spend more time if they want without punishing people who don't want to do so, which is something these games should have. Because it's a real bummer if I want to play a game and there is only enough I can do for 3min.

[@chinkyflahz]

all these fkn games losin in revenue to candy crush. prove me wrong

[@chinkyflahz]

to say that a cc's enjoyment of game isnt slightly skewed by their interactions is disingenuous. lets be for real aint no one lookin for palworld right now rednu lol. just get 4 gobfins and shoot everything with a gun. btw if u like jrpg im out here preachin try another eden on ur free time...they let u play their old collabs at any time and gives u free chars in them(chrono trigger/tales games/persona5) so u dont really spend in the game

[@chinkyflahz]

also zzz's play loop is ass cuz it makes u run hollow zero 5 times a week that shit takes mad time

[@HazardTone]

Ohh so rare to find another eden enjoyer 🫡​@@chinkyflahz

[@famimame]

This is gacha revenue tho, not mobile game revenue. DnF also makes more money on mobile.

[@chinkyflahz]

@@famimame lots of other games have gacha elements in them not included in list. (skins, mounts, equipment, pets, abilities). this is character gacha only probably.

[@izu1624]

So many Wuwa glazer in this comment section being upset

[@TacticalDimples]

WuWa apparently had 2 days of revenue for Changli’s banner frozen so that massively affected it. Tbh, I’m even surprised it’s doing this much on mobile lol. HoYo having another successful launch so no surprises there. Nice to see them both doing well. People saying WuWa was the Genshin killer, but it was actually Love & Deepspace. 😂

[@ImproperStandby]

It was apparently nuked off the App store temporarily for an unknown reason.

[@feralchimaera99]

Give it up my brother, with the 2 days not being recorded for WuWa's revenue. People will only disregard it and move the goal post that WuWa 'still' didn't made it, keep coping,proof? proof?, etc. That 2 days lost after Changli's banner is not enough to convince them. It's just a matter of wait and see on how Kuro will work further on WuWa's content. So long as the game has the hoyo brand behind it's name it will generate money regardless of the formula they use for monetization

[@nekochen]

You know there are only 7 reasons why Apple nuke an app, and most of them are irrelevant but one, suspecting manipulation of reviews and scores in a short amount of time. 😂

[@kingofbel6499]

For me its simple. Wuwa is the objectively best gacha out right now so thats what I will be playing. The only gachas that could surpass it are Project Mugen or NTE but who knows when that will come out.

[@Banpoofs]

@kingofbel6499 as someone whose life is gachas that is just simply not true, it's subjectively the best gacha, but that's all I can give it

[@Kota-sk8sl]

Insane statement. Wuwa isn’t even KUROS BEST GACHA lol

[@renjouji]

I think we have a different interpretation of Respecting time means in gaming .. Respecting time in gaming is where you want to play the game whenever you like . And honestly that is not zzz since zzz only lets you play for 5 -10 mins but what if you want to play it more ? And that us the problem with zzz .. meanwhile in genshin you can explore the world and keep on playing if you finish you're dailies . And the best example of respecting you're time is in hsr since if you want to play more you can just play simulated universe and get different result each time while rewarding you with option that you are not talking before .. and also there is an overflow cap on energy which make it so that you can play it whenever you like and thats how respecting time is ..

[@Rendang_Shofun]

if u want to play more - farm achievements in HollowZero - reach IL 45 n push the hardest mode Nineveh difficulty 11/11 - Do 17 runs on Holozero to buy out all dennies in the shop - push Shiyu Defence - farm hard story mode if you havent - farm hidden missions - farm trust on agents/inky - farm mewmewcoins - farm Arcade achievements Devs already announced that they're bringing more. there's 2 empty slots on Shiyu def hinted there already I'm not saying ZZZ is perfect. its still in 1.0 n plenty of contents is coming in.

[@renjouji]

@@Rendang_Shofun you cannot add monthly/weekly content into it since if you add monthly/weekly into it hsr and genshin has more to offer than zzz does .. especially hsr having permanent events which will dwarf zzz by a ton .. I'm just saying the gameplay loop of zzz is really not in there if you finish those up you have nothing to do with zzz besides those mini games which doesn't count at all .

[@Rendang_Shofun]

@@renjouji well then, I'll give them time. Starrail didn't add pure Fiction n Divergent Universe on day one too.. Even MoC was up to stage 10 only at launch. Zzz main target mostly to players who already have Wuwa n genshin in their hands.

[@renjouji]

@@Rendang_Shofun but they already have su since day 1 though .. All of su upgrades are events (not Du)

[@Rendang_Shofun]

@@renjouji well yea, HollowZero also available since day1. 3 bosses which is considerably easy to beat. Up till u unlock Nineveh. I'm at IL47 and still can't clear nineveh past diff3 (mobile playing+Skill issue) But they lock their stages behind IL that's sucks early on. Like u said, meaning of "respecting players time" is different from one to another. I get what u mean, I'd love to have more stuff to do after finishing all story missions n dailies too. I'm looking for what devs are cooking for the next patch

[@kaka09876543210]

The love and deep space is the real winner.

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

10:55 and you just believed it? Gabimaru did the same dailies, Valk is actually yet again being disingenuous and prolonging everything. He even went to a dungeon where the daily grind is farming echoes/artifacts which are on the overworld. I play both ZZZ, WuWa, and Genshin. WuWa's dailies literally includes stuff like "use skill" " dodge once" "use liberation" or "use 180 waveplates" "do 1 daily quest". The daily grind in WuWa is basically go to a Tacet field, spend waveplates. Then either do 1 daily which is either just fighting a mob or skipping a quest. In ZZZ, I go out of the shop (loading screen) then scratch a card, then drink coffee (menu tab then animation), then use all stamina to grind mats (loading screen) then back to the video store (loading screen.) Yeah, it felt even longer just because of the loading screens. In WuWa, I just teleport to a Tacet Field and teleport onc to the daily quest point. Then done. Absolutely disingenuous. Not surprised that you're parroting the same though. The fastest dailies I've ever done is from PGR with auto-clear. Basically, interact with your lobby character, then auto-clear. Same with Reverse 1999 but there's auto-battle so you need to wait til the battle is finished. But ither than that it's fast. Also, the encounter points in Genshin are great! But to gain encounter points, you need to interact with the world first through opening chests and doing events. So it incentivize you to play. But if you don't want to explore or do events then it's the same as not having encounter points. ZZZ needs to remove those loading screens especially upon entering and exiting the shop. It's absolutely insane. The entire street shouldn't have loading screens. It's fine in HIA but if it's in the same vicinity, it's just annoying. *Grabs popcorn 🍿🍿🍿

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

I know i love it finish my dailies and go back to HSR genshin/ Monpoly/ E7/ laegue of lgends kek

[@TheYeahzus]

Hmm I start in the store, do the Video tapes sorting, go out (1 Loading screen), Scratch card, Noodles, Drink Coffee, dailies done... so only one load screen, so who is being disingenuous

[@ArjentaSilverwing]

@@TheYeahzus i think he counted the skip-able cut-scenes as loading screens. to me the reason i didn't end up playing WuWa after 3 hours of playing is because the combat was cheap it's just not obvious cuz the cheap combat is hidden in the high quality animations and the horrible story.

[@MojtaAS]

that is rich very very rich talking about loading screens when you have to go through longer loading screens in wuwa cuz its optimization is garbage and related to your internet connection/ping the game is open world like genshin and you do not walk to your dailies or tacet fields you teleport there via a loading screen you calling out zzz and wuwa is hypocrisy at its finest

[@Rednu]

why are you counting going back to the store as a loading screen? all you need to do is tell eous to man the shop before you leave lol. you can also skip the coffee animation. also, you can't fast travel directly to tacet fields, you have to walk to them. I get you think I'm being disingenuous so you're trying to be, but all I said was that valk made a funny vid.

[@ImproperStandby]

Who cares about the revenue? Just play what you enjoy and do that, I personally enjoy WuWa more than ZZZ because of my current way I play games. Gacha games will never be a main game for me, I have ZZZ dropped temporarily because I currently have XIV and PoE on loop.

[@AespaKatarina]

You won't be saying that if Wuwa beat Genshin this month, let's be real now 😂

[@xxxfortnite_master2012]

The world would be better if WuWa and Kuro don't exist in the gaming space

[@ImproperStandby]

@xxxfortnite_master2007 I mean I disagree considering other games would fill that place in, would the world be better without Hoyoverse games or some similar company? That sort of mindset is very close minded and toxic.

[@kamilfahmii]

@@ImproperStandby its not wise taking a words from gacha addict seriously, they only live and breathe in gacha games

[@ImproperStandby]

@@kamilfahmii True that, it's not good to keep interacting with people that are too brain rotted. Trying to find reason and nuance is not a thing.

[@Andyz1605]

keep arguing about gacha income guys, I like watching stupid people arguing each other over nothing to important for player

[@a4arick106]

wait until you compare gacha revenue to a literal online casino revenue 💀💀💀

[@Andyz1605]

@@a4arick106 i dont care

[@darkcastle85]

Not only that but some people are determining whether a game is good Based of their revenue is that's their way of thinking then that's some clown behavior

[@Goldberry1303]

@@darkcastle85 ikr? 😑

[@haru_takahashi24]

When mentioned pc sales he just saying it's doing better than u think it is (don't compare to zzz it's a hoyo game it's doing great) being in top 10 is more then enough for Kuro games to keep going forward...why u so negative towards Wuwa making money I don't get it

[@reedsad4652]

Fun fact next revenue update wuwa will fall top 10. What next? Another hiccup of being days not counted? The cope man

[@haru_takahashi24]

@@reedsad4652 who said anything about days not counted?

[@famimame]

​@@reedsad4652 The next revenue drop will be blamed to that free 5 star dude that nobody wanted to pull. Bet.

[@toastazazine1098]

@@famimame I like how you are trying to depict that, like it's cope. That'll pretty much be the reason, same as why GI made 67mil in June and 36mil in July.

[@theolailheugue9402]

​@@famimame so Dr ratio in HSR was a total flop and realy bad move then ? Right ?

[@foomiumperorosaurus8066]

Time will tell. Sit back and observe.

[@gauravkarki2654]

I think it would be good if you stop making content talking or mentioning about wuwa as you clearly don't like it which is fine as everyone have their own tastes. The more you talk about it, more you anger the wuwa people and get into arguments which will further boost your dislike towards the game as it goes on. So imo you should just stop mentioning it. I mean same happened to iyo ig to some degree. Bro for sure dislikes wuwa highly at this point.

[@user-yb1ye5sm6y]

It doesn't feel like anybody genuinely likes the game for itself otherwise the supplementary content and discourse for the game would be much better than it is and less about downplaying other games in the same sentences. Like why is the official subreddit for the game as dead as it is for example yet I can find countless examples of fanboys picking fights over the game vs Genshin or ZZZ or whatever on youtube and Twitter. Like where's vive?

[@gauravkarki2654]

@user-yb1ye5sm6y Idk about the reddit as I don't use it often, but facebook groups are pretty active. And iyo is right in saying the toxic bunch is mostly the people who used to play genshin, but slowly started hating the game for not changing or taking feedbacks who have found their salvation in wuwa. Its annoying seeing comments just trying to shit on genshin, comparing it to wuwa. And this is fueled by CCs even more. I would say all this began with tectone even. Bro hates genshin and likes drama, calls genshin player mintpickers etc. Praises wuwa for everything to the point that even the music is apparently better than genshin and all. Like, just enjoy the games, bruh. Most gacha ccs just farm drama more than the gameplay itself. Rarely can you find a cc who talks about the game itself. But yeah, the wuwa community is small from what I have seen. And I dunno why many ccs stopped abruptly from making wuwa content even though they seemed to like it. And we don't have an established content creator yet for wuwa as main content imo like zyox or sth. Skullcj or sth was getting somewhat popular but got hacked lel. Personally, i enjoy this game a lot and also play genshin and have faith for this game as I played pgr since near launch. It has gotten massively better in terms of story, characters, gameplay , music ,etc. So hoping same happens to wuwa.

[@meguillozebern8806]

It aint dying. It just stabilizing to what it really deserve. It may be good or bad situation, I dont know but i do believe that Wuwa wouldn't be relevant compared compared to its competititor. Wuwa is still profitable.

[@p4ntom87]

half a million views of asmongold roasting ZZZ funniest shit ever

[@smashmonkey6304]

Really tells you how irrelevant streamers are

[@reedsad4652]

You care about a streamer who ddnt even got to lvl 20? Lmao., atleast rednu played wuwa and gave it a chance. Asmon my ass

[@AespaKatarina]

And look who's laughing now 😂 These clowns just embarassed themselves thinking they can control the players where they spent their money 😂 Doomposting FAILED, better luck next time

[@starryeyes5860]

Doesn't matter what he did. The game is fire, period. You want to see a an actual review from a non gacha player? Watch skill up

[@ushinkou8569]

ZZZ plot is good. But its writing just drags it out. Chapter 1 didn't need that many dialogues and it drew a lot of people away.

[@iCHRIS-x]

Bro said he loved the “lore” of zzz . LMFAO

[@user-dt5su8mg8q]

That's good enough compared to wuwa's awful 1.1 (praising kurobots for getting better).

[@starryeyes5860]

Zzz lore is fire. I smell salt

[@marielgalicha8548]

It kinda funny... In the end of the day, HSR, Genshin and ZZZ are earning a lot together now. Sure, it will be harder for WW to even compete however it still earning. They are seriously on the top 10 always.

[@nagi-springfield93]

wuwa just launch not even 2 month, how is the game seiorusly on top 10 always, like at least say this after a year or something

[@prohanta9360]

They also spend so much money on ad campaign tbf. There's bunch of games that don't and can't do that. As much as we see they earn so much, they also spend much for ad campaign

[@depressoexpresso8469]

Top 10 will likely be ofc hoyo games be there, wuwa, NTE, azur promilia, arknights endfield, project mugen dunno about others but I feel like they be in top 10

[@kiuhh1118]

"always" its literally only 3 months

[@Ew-wth]

@@depressoexpresso8469 Idk, I don't think NTE and project mugen will stay up there for long on the merits of their publishers alone.

[@warlockwarlord169]

49:00 chill chill bro the hoyo shill is coming out too hard , ZZZ plot is a boring episode of looney toons

[@marielgalicha8548]

Funny when the main plot in ZZZ is just starting in sooner updates. We are just getting the slice of life moments first.

[@Rednu]

sorry but it's a lot better than the sounds of yangyang shlorping rover's dick the entire story. or the joke scavenger hunt making reference to regions we never get to see.

[@warlockwarlord169]

@@Rednu bro I know the monthly bonus for been a hoyo shill is nice but you don't have to make it weird , WuWa story is a mess for replacing the writers and script too many times , and ZZZ is as story made for kids , just like any cartoon villain wants to destroy the world but never gets away with it . After playing NIKKE and Snowbreak both WuWa and ZZZ feel extremely bland story-wise

[@Rednu]

@@warlockwarlord169well as long as you can admit it's a mess which was my point lol.

[@reverie4384]

@@Rednu DAMN. That schlorping rover's dick cracked me up 😂

[@keizuna1097]

it simple...just drop wuwa if dont like...yet CC always try to farm viewer by making wuwa as bad material n hoyo games as good material at this point people should know the different between hoyo n kurogames is one aiming for casual...the other one is not for casual...secondly is people need to aware that how big hoyo community is compare to kurogames community....imo wuwa probably cant surpass hoyo games due to clear fact that i told above n not to forget that wuwa to max out the char only required half of total hoyo games pulls to max the char n later Wuwa 1.2 they seem giving free 5* new banner n that will probably making lower revenue again...guess what...these CC try to farm viewer by making dumb revenue content again n again

[@Rednu]

I feel like I live in a bizarro land lol there are a lot more videos of people quitting ZZZ or dropping ZZZ in favor of WuWa from what I've seen. Maybe that's just my feed tho lol

[@serinnamayberry1340]

All i see is another toxic cc bashing on a game to make theirs superior this behavior is why some companies wont bring their best games over here because of child like behavior enjoy the game or don't but stop being pathetic trying to shit over a game for the one you like grow up it's just a game

[@GaliBurton]

He's delusional af

[@depressoexpresso8469]

I like wuwa but i know the phone optimization is ass and alot of people wouldn't wanna play on that, if they want more money from mobile alone they need to fix that so players can actually play on it, so people either stop playing cause of that, play on a pc or waiting for console release

[@AespaKatarina]

no but according to Wuwa players it's just your device's fault 😂

[@depressoexpresso8469]

@AespaKatarina nuh, it needs optimization which be in this update apparently for mobile, and also depending on requirements needed on phone, people should read before dling a game, simple logic ya know?

[@Delightful567]

12:55 I’ve been playing umamusume since release and this is the most cap shit I’ve ever heard It’s one of the worst games they require you so much time even you can skip the grinding and esp for getting the support cards( also don’t get me going with how much they require u to get maxed out support cards which costs a fuck ton of gacha pulls)

[@Rednu]

it's cap that I like Uma Musume and think it's a good game? That's crazy

[@hentikirby7142]

​@@RednuNo to you liking the game. Cap to the game being good is what he is trying to get across.

[@devilkazumi578]

Wuwa also respects your time in the devs notes theyre making it easier to finish your dailies and theyre adding a stamina reserve system like in hsr

[@Rednu]

Ofc these are great additions.

[@HeinLwin-e5r]

let me guess u talking sht just cuz 1.0 story i can agree but there always room to improve 1.1 story was definitely good no one want to play zzz sht game combat bad TV thing sht character design sht and is not open world

[@Rednu]

You're right, nobody wants to play a game that made $96M, clearly.

[@user-yb1ye5sm6y]

Whats dying for the game is the content and community IMO. Theres just like....nothing happening that indicates a thriving passionate community for this game. Its all just like weird defensive videos trying to pump up its chops and downplay the competition. The fanart scene is already kind of slowing down it feels like, the funny/quirky video scene is virtually non-existent....theres just like no vibe to its community if that makes any sense....just insecurity and what feels like a weird mixed superiority/inferiority complex.

[@Rednu]

This is my feeling from the outside looking in. The scene is looking more drab than the game's color palette. I feel like a lot of people are taking more defensive stances as opposed to preaching how much they love the game. It feels more to me that they consider WuWa the lesser of two evils or the game that they can tolerate.

[@KibaAkiza]

Majority of the glazers are only defending and playing the game because of the free “rewards” aka Compensations for the shit they did

[@AshUkihime]

I don't think it's any transitionings to other games. Hoyo has different teams for each game. I'm a Genshin impact player playing ZZZ it's damn good. Been strictly casual with Genshin impact I pulled Emilie and got off I only login to get my 90 and then logout. I dropped HSR.

[@seikijin2308]

I skipped ZZZ and still play wuwa but i actually don't know whats going on in the story. It never made me interested enough to pay attention to it... dalies are a little longer than HSR, like 10-15min where as HSR is just dump all stamina with a friend support into calryx taking only 5min. The overworld resource farming is also crap and im honestly not that good at the dodging/parry mechanic but I still like wuwa because of the character mechanics, combining yinlins character resonance with chixias tap skill hold skill for BOM BOM combo. It's the lack of mindlessly button bashing I'm enjoying. With my reasons explained I'm not expecting people to feel the same, even the people that value the same things as me i know aren't going to have the same level of importance on them values. Hell im actually waiting for Azur promilla and expecting to drop wuwa but not because I dislike it but because im expecting to like promilla more xD Edit: When you said ZZZ story is good but not a lot of people are paying attention to it... I guess it wasn't good enough to grab attention? That's a problem most stories do have.. world building is usually boring but without it u can't have a good story.

[@bankaimaster999]

I agree with your points for ZZZ and it fit exactly with why I dropped Wuwa, the story was just trash, to me. Couldn't find much fun with playing Wuwa casually ... got sick of it. Still a great game, Wuwa > Genshin in my opinion but it wasn't enough to hold my attention. These games stories and enjoyment are severely limited by the whole gacha aspect/foundation but I guess the companies making bank so it is what it is.

[@eelliee_17]

I think you should just make a video either about why you think zzz story is good, or why wuwa story is bad. Don't vs them. It'll just bring more unnecessary drama and community wars

[@starryeyes5860]

I'm playing zzz and wuwa. I enjoy both and I'm spending money in both. Never understood why you can only like one game and you have to hate the competition.

[@xtentiong.f2537]

I too hate the bs take of zzz story just being slice of life, its like watching naruto or one piece and saying meh its slice of life saw someone saying dailies take too long in zzz...(Open Shop, tp to doggo scratch card-get polychrome, drink coffee, gain 60 stam which puts me at 300 total then tp straight into combat for 3 rounds spending 100 stam each) total time is sometimes honestly 5 minutes most times less.

[@Rednu]

If a character mentiones one joke IT'S SLICE-OF-LIFE BTW

[@izu1624]

So basically gachasmack is "idc about the actual fact, the game is ded to me so it's ded"

[@kageyamakatsura5205]

Gachasmack has always been a Mihoyo whiteknight.

[@thechurchstore2386]

Zzz is the thing I do while my resin recharges in genshin.

[@robertmelconde8151]

i wish you play genshin and like the music, lore/story and scenery of it take your time to play it

[@friarpavel2155]

Kinda looks like it really depends on the region. Wuthering has a very loyal online US audience. ZZZ in the US feels smaller by comparison. But vice versa in Asia ZZZ is going bonkers while Wuthering is only doing okay. So everyone is right in a way - depending on which perspective you're looking at it from. I think it will take some time before Americans appreciate ZZZ more because of the negativty spread by US CC's. Same happened to Star Rail - didn't really blow up in global until it won GOTY and the free Dr. Ratio and then ppl realized how deep/good the game was.

[@4teh4pathy]

The Global revenue for Wuwa lost 50% of revenue tho? How is that loyal.

[@friarpavel2155]

​@@4teh4pathy I was looking at previous month, $27m in US vs $19.3m in China. You're right though the game fell off pretty hard in the US - but at least it still gets lots of youtube views from the core audience lol.

[@adry0927]

yeah pretty much the same as HSR the difference is that HSR doesnt have that loud negativity on launch compare to zzz other than people saying they will not play it because its a turn based game then look how it is now

[@inquisitor200]

ZZZ reached top 10 in US playstation playstore last month...mobile gaming isnt really popular in the US

[@kiuhh1118]

Wuthering waves has been consistently below genshin/hsr/zzz when it comes to overall viewership across all platforms. In the recent anime convention in US there were absolutely 0 wuwa cosplayers compared to massive amounts of hoyoverse cosplayers. Tbe "loyal online US audience" youre speaking of doesn't exist.

[@Wourly]

Wuwa just copied Genshin way too much with introducing way too little to compensate. Maybe it looked creative, but it was hardly enough to beat Genshin. Kuro might have suceeded by copying Honkai Impact 3rd, as it was quite messy, unrefined game, but this is not the case of Genshin. It was a foolish idea and miHoYo was seemingly ready to strike with ZZZ to counter Wuwa even more. Aside of that, majority of Wuwa's community is really hateful toward players of Genshin, I was initially interested in trying the game, but when I asked about the differences, I was hated to insane degrees, so it discouraged me and will just go straight to try ZZZ without giving Wuwa chance. So both Kuro and its community are making very poor steps to attract players. Instead of copying 90% Genshin's strengths and fostering a good atmosphere to make players of Genshin to transfer to Wuwa, they actually deter them, instead of highlighting Wuwa's strenghts, they just outright curse you for even questioning Wuwa. So enjoy your foolish resistance instead of inclusivity to your own demise.

[@justinjamin]

The games are lined up so that their hype patches are where the other games have quiet patches. Honkai Star Rail just had a massive release the previous month with Firefly, for example, and are coming down with Jade. HSR is already "drained" for a while so the audience needs time to recover. Genshin is in their summer filler update. July had no new characters. It's also important for Zenless to have a big launch so players get interested in it. The analytics necessary to confirm if ZZZ captured a new audience or not are more complex than just the "add the numbers together" that Gacha Smack did.

[@Jonrskittles]

My dude turned a 17 min video into a hr long video holy

[@saiwaqa2573]

As I'm listening further I think it's the wrong way to look at it. It's a massive disservice to a game to group them together. Why doesn't he do the same for the other companies? It's because it doesn't prove his point. Zzz was raked across the coals by hoyo stans too. It was hated and shat on constantly at launch, especially by CCS. If we are judging a game by its merits and not the company who produced it, we can see the GAME was a success regardless of who is playing it. In fact his argument leads more into the tribalism. Its a fallacy because it's not a company ranking, it's a game ranking. Let's take into consideration that each game is run by different teams and each game its own unique style, features. It's NOT the same game X3. TLDR, if the game was truly ass, then even if it was a hoyo game revenue would have also been ass. Unless you can prove that gacha gamers will just spend on it cause it's hoyo, there is no argument against the success of this game. Just look at hi3.

[@erronmorales]

Doesn't matter if they have different teams it's still hoyoverse.

[@saiwaqa2573]

@@erronmorales Its a single game ranking, not a company ranking. If it was bad, it wouldn't sell.

[@RanRan_11]

ZZZ also had a shit launch. Most notable ones are the huge storage requirement and some devices suddenly being incompatible, but that didn't matter because it's Hoyo. You can't bring up HI3 because that ship has already sailed. That game is so old now that attracting new players is extremely difficult. Even its 2.0 or whatever it's called didn't really attract much players.

[@saiwaqa2573]

@@RanRan_11 Ofc i can its the same company. it doesn't matter since the claim is: its a hoyo game ofc its gonna make money.

[@addollz6192]

@@RanRan_11 Shit launch is stretching and being disengenuous. Storage size really? And also not letting people with incompatible devices play is how you don't run into issues similar to Wuwa launch.

[@user-nd8ke1sv4t]

from: 1. wait until wuwa release 2. wait until 1.1 3. wait until jinshi banner out 4. just watch changli going to carry to: "they doing good compare to their previous game (PGR)" "at least the devs listened" "30 mil is big for gacha game outside hoyo" (not wrong) "wuwa monetization pretty cheap bcs the wp banner is guaranteed thats why"

[@devilkazumi578]

@user-nd8ke1sv4t it's quality to me tho I'm just not interested in hoyoverse games just because itbmakes more money doesn't mean I should enjoy it? If you haven't noticed hoyoverse players are pretty brainwashed ppl will spend money even if they're boycotting lol

[@a4arick106]

and the overall quality is good also for the weapon banner, you basically implying that because the weapon banner is guaranteed so logically speaking the players should be whaling for weapons, which is the worst joke i've ever heard in a gacha space lmfao. because the weapon banner is guaranteed, that means players are having more easier time to obtain weapons freely without mentally forced to spend dimes and have a good planning on what weapons to obtain or not for future patch. You basically tried to reverse-engineer the logic of weapon banner by saying "since it's easier to obtain the weapon guaranteed, you should actually spend more then" which is total bullshit

[@devilkazumi578]

@@a4arick106 imagine bragging about genshin making characters who feel incomplete until you get a dupe of them and that horrible weapon banner where you can lose 50/50 twice and the pity doesn't carry over lmao

[@craiver00]

And the word QUALITY can be subjective depending on how you look at it. I guess 3 wishes anniversary reward is indeed quality. You know our society is literally braindead when they place more value on something "expensive" only at face value.

[@famimame]

"Wuwa was nuke for 2 days" when the graph is showing a very clear downtrend before it was removed.

[@xxxfortnite_master2012]

We should judge game by it sales not by looking at the gameplay like a book cover

[@user-dt5su8mg8q]

Kuro bots are ignoring the fact that Changli was the hottest banner. Despite terrible optimization, poor writing, and empty world exploration, it was waifus like Yinlin and Changli that helped prevent a revenue drop. August and September are going to be even worse. And when big names like Azur or Endfield join at the end of the year or early next year, Eos for WuWa will no longer be a joke.

[@izu1624]

I'd say just stop trying to convince these people that ZZZ is better than Wuwa. We better off without them in the community, big CC always bring in toxic people so them just gathering in Wuwa and leave ZZZ alone is for the better imo

[@HotPepperLala]

47:39 he just described everythingt hat went wrong with WUWA for me too. It is just an empty souless game.

[@crappiefisher1331]

i like wuwa and ZZZ, which is awesome, because now i can insult everyone indiscriminately

[@Darkwindyeti06]

@@crappiefisher1331 woah chill that's alot of power

[@TacticalDimples]

Same here. Just chillin with my popcorn

[@Menarique-m6i]

🤣🤣🤣

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

Yeaaahhh! Fuck them all!

[@primadansaripudin9269]

@@crappiefisher1331 now that's one way to look at things

[@patrickH206]

Looking at myself, I have been playing less wuthering wave. Prob logging in once or twice a week to try to complete weekly stuff. It's not like I don't wanna play wuthering wave. It's an ok game with a different focus. But I personally like gacha game with good story and good combat more than gacha game with dull story and excellent combat.

[@starryeyes5860]

Ive never played a gacha game before in my life. Zzz is my first, and im loving it. I saw gameplay and decided to try it out. I doubt that im the only one. Im really enjoying the story, and i haven't skipped a single cut scene or dialog. Normally, i never pay attention to stories in games, but for some reason, zzz just does it for me. Some people just can't stand when the competition succeeds.

[@Rednu]

TRUEING

[@xcaptcha]

Agree, why lots of people saying zzz story is slice of life 😂, it's clearly building up to something, that's how you introduce characters, basicly an anime

[@marielgalicha8548]

Tired of the gacha game first story of "YOU ARE THE SAVIOR OF THIS WORLD, THE UNKNOWN VARIABLE WE DON'T KNOW AND WE NEED YOUR HELP AS WE DON'T CARE YOUR MAIN GOAL. DO THAT LATER AT THE END"

[@thelocalmothman]

Its slice of life cuz its focused characters and there day to day lives Not really a grand narative about the world/something else We see there day to day lives They just so happen to casually fight zombies in a apocalypse bubbles and there just so happens to be a mysterious evil ppl group

[@xcaptcha]

@@thelocalmothman I don't agree with that, then can I say MHA is slice of life because it's just a story of high schoolers that fight bad guy time to time? and there is a big narrative going on, have you seen the lore teaser? It defnitely is more shonen than slice of lfe

[@Rednu]

@@thelocalmothmanwhy would you try to describe a story you clearly haven't paid attention to?

[@addollz6192]

@@xcaptcha No you can't because MHA doesn't focus in the day to day aspect of a slice of life.

[@yyukino0066]

Ppl don't realise kuro is hand shaking with hoyo. The next 2 banners are all the proof i need. What's coming around that period ? Oh natlan ? Coincidence much

[@AespaKatarina]

??????

[@DT-bo1zk]

"it's not just gameplay keep the game alive", i can agree when look at Limbus Company which has the most boring gameplay yet the story writing is far surpass all the top revenue gacha stories, it makes a good reference for good lore writing, world building, character development and story progression

[@Delightful567]

Yup same with fgo as well Gacha and story is trash but the story is peak

[@aaronyogurt8723]

ZZZ launch revenue is about the same as Wuwa total revenue since launch tho.. not bad for button mashing game KEKW

[@AespaKatarina]

LMAO? i don't remember Wuwa making $96M on launch 😅

[@AespaKatarina]

Also, i 'm not sure if we played the same game here but we're not talking about street fighter or tekken here, right? coz button mashing? Where? Have you been to the arcade before? 😅

[@MrDSkinny]

What I don't understand about his argument is that he's basing it off the assumption that all hoyo games share the same playerbase but not even considering players could be coming from other games and GI and HSRs could be going to other games that aren't hoyo related

[@MrDSkinny]

What I'm hearing is ZZZ isn't successful because HSR and GI aren't successful? That doesn't even make sense. He's moved the goal post so far back from did zzz succeed to did hoyo succeed.

[@aaronyogurt8723]

@@MrDSkinny atleast he should include ex-wuwa players to zzz, seeing that wuwa revenue also dip despite Changli hype

[@AespaKatarina]

True. Like, it's not ZZZ's fault that HSR released a mid character, it's not ZZZ's fault that Genshin has reruns and everyone is just saving for The Big Patch which is 5.0 Natlan coz they'll have new units back to back to back

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

I mean I can see people just jumping from one Hoyo game to the other, but... they wouldn't spend money if they didn't like ZZZ. Doesn't matter how much of a Hoyoshill you are, nobody gonna waste their money on something they don't like.

[@AespaKatarina]

Finally, someone with common sense. Genshin and HSR had rerun banners and mid character atm that's why their revenue took a dip, not to mention, the boycott. I don't think it has anything to do with Zenless

[@prohanta9360]

From what I heard from cn side, hoyo always have big budget of ad campaign. For now they focused on zzz this resulted the game attracted not just hoyo fanbase but outside of it. This also resulted why genshin and hsr dopped hard. There's cn website that track apps sales daily, this is first banner both genshin and hsr are the lowest sales. So, according to them, it's not about zzz enjoyable or not, but because hoyo spent all their ad campaign budget to zzz (you can pretty much see how they sponsor non gacha gamers even fgc) and attract a lot of people to spend but according to cn side, they should've made more they made. Apparently in cn it's common to these company to buy traffic as part of their ad campaign

[@reedsad4652]

But but you wuwa is goood!! It is the epitome of shit

[@reedsad4652]

​@@prohanta9360thats cope

[@GaliBurton]

​@@reedsad4652zzz is the epitome of shit, hoyo dog

[@hxnslshhax9011]

@56:00 you cant say that gachasmack, kuro living at 2 or 3 mil before wuwa is not the same, as earning 30 mil now with wuwa. Because of development cost. You could earn 100 mil but your development and maintenance cost are higher than 100 mil is still a lost (example only). And that is the same for hoyo too, they didnt not increase their total revenue but their development cost is increase because of the new game

[@trichilocosm3427]

zzz genshin and honkai engine is optimized for mobile. wuwa unreal engine is optimized for pc. making it not acessible to most mobile users. gacha is making a good point when he wish there was pc revenue report.

[@iflgames3245]

PC revenue would be sk small cuz not everyone is playing on PC and PC market is less than half.

[@voledae]

i think it's just an investor mentality, but it's too early to tell. this is coming from someone who did not like zzz at all, dropped genshin a long time ago, but only plays hsr. you can compare quarterly revenues (4 months timeframes) and get a pretty accurate idea of how each game is doing with new players vs shifting around money. you may not see immediate return on investment at the start of a project but you should see gradual growth as time progresses, as well as dips downwards too.

[@kittenlelouch]

6:20 nah this is spot on lmao

[@meguillozebern8806]

The drop off of genshin and HSR is not just because ZZZ. Zenless maybe a factor in it but genshin is on its last patch before a huge region. Its summer event,a filler patch, feels quite boring to me. HSR chars also are not hype much. Compared to firefly/ruan mei, they might as well be NPC. Him saying that hoyoverse fails on ZZZ is absurd. It is the market cap. Genshin and HSR success is so huge that it would be hard to top off. It is like this, a store owner selling two flavors of candies and its sales is huge. Most of the costumers like those 2 flavors but some were just convince by peers to try it. They believe that the flavor is good but it isn't their fav. By selling another flavor, it is possible that the store owner could win you over. Did the store owner fail by selling another flavor? Obviously not. He stabilizes his market. The candy costumers are like you rednu. You tried hoyo game, it didn't click but you know it is good, it is just not your "flavor". But when zzz release, you like it and hoyo captured you. ZZZ main purpose isn't to capture new market, it is there to stabilize it. Hoyo is laying a huge net to capture audiences and the increase would be gradual. Edit: Oh okey. He explains it.

[@DjBlaze3d]

I think the boycott is actually because of a voice actor strike, but i do know the natlan controversy is also a think

[@user-bf6vn3zd1x]

kuro always like trying to say "my games are better" by following HOYO pipelines (in term of game genre), bro look at AK they at least doing something new in gacha sphere with endfield. be creative for once cmon, kuro has the best combat design in gacha why tf they keep following hoyo bs game i dont understand with kuro. look at nikke yeah they're coomer but at least they not following other company pipelines bruh

[@alexandrem798]

Gacha Smack's take is fallacious. He implies that, without ZZZ, players would have spent these 96M on Genshin and HSR instead. So roughly 48M more for each game, which sounds silly when you look at the banners.

[@CzDelta92]

he is comparing good months for both games to this one of course it didnt outperform, theres other patches were both games didnt do what zzz did alone this month too, so their cap is not always 160m some months have 80m with both combined too, genshin is rn in dead patches and hsr had jade and the remnants of firefly thats it, if this was only hsr and genshin it would be the regular 70-80m dead patches, gachasmack is trully pretending both games do 150m every single time and thats not true at all

[@Hobbitfeet01]

the audience is a good mix of Core Hoyo players and new players who like action games. Also the dry phase on the other games + honeymoon of a new game does a big part. But even if ZzZ drop down half its profit it still would be Nr. 1 atm and that alone shows that people like it and love the quality it came out with again, especially after that atrocious launch of WuWa alot got reminded again how to do it right. WuWa will make its profits but they still need alot of improvement especially in camera movement, echo system and writing the main plot (char storys where ok). In the end people will now need to decide where to put their money cause times are over where just Genshin and maybe another 1 or 2 gachas are able to hit huge numbers, we have now at least 4 high quality games with successfull smaller games like FGO, Love n Deepspace, Nikke and some more depending on Events and Anniversarys. Personally i love it that there is a harder fight for the money now cause in the end they will work harder even within Hoyo to keep their audience or expand on it.

[@famimame]

Next patch we'll see a drop since people are skipping Qingyi.

[@randomperson4198]

Gesnhin has no good banner rn. I mean there's good rerun just not good new char

[@lorentzen.montoya]

The tv behind you messed me up for a sec because it was delayed haha

[@dalhaval283]

zzz is a good stupd game, you dont have to think to play it

[@iamkurogane]

I’m a normie and I freaking love ZZZ. During the week I do my dailies super quick in 10 mins. Then on Saturday I sit down to push to Shiyu and get Hollow Zero done. It’s super fun and the combat is so smooth in its pacing. The story missions maybe boring in the TVs but I love the anime-esque delivery of the story. I find it to be genuinely funny CCs played themselves by shitting on ZZZ. Now their WuWa audience is gonna shit on anything that’s not WuWa.

[@a4arick106]

bcoz those anything probably not as good to their taste

[@marielgalicha8548]

That is the problem... CCs praising WW way too much while sh.tting on ZZZ yet at the end of the day. This gacha game vs gacha game, they still earn and doing okay

[@reedsad4652]

Whats funny is that this hoyo rotations really fked up wuwa. it is in between HSR and Genshins big update and 3 of them have the same dry patch too. while ZZZ is alone haha

[@AespaKatarina]

The fact that HSR released a Mid character while Genshin has reruns, both dead patch, both being boycotted while Wuwa had two hyped waifus but still manage to lose half their revenue, lose against HSR and Genshin in quite shocking😅

[@saiwaqa2573]

And his last comment about pgr just cemented his fallacy. Pgr and wuwa are different games from different times. They arebt the same game. Many could make the argument that wuwa is more like genshin than it is like pgr. In the same token zzz is a different game to the other two (hsr, and genshin). Its no where near the same. And finally, the production costs for wuwa far outweigh anything for pgr. These projects are separate with their own overheads. So its ridiculous to group them together. Thus as i said previously in another comment, this isnt kuro vs hoyoverse, its not a conpany ranking else there wouldnt be a conversation. Its a GAMES ranking.

[@Sususukakakaruriiii]

NUCLEAR NEGATIVE CANCEL

[@famimame]

Missed your KARA brother

[@Sususukakakaruriiii]

@@famimame missed the cinema and edging also

[@redcloud0]

You can try Solo Leveling game

[@ryusorata]

Wuwa had a good run, now it will follow tof steps.

[@AespaKatarina]

What's funny is that the same people, who was spreading "ToF is Genshin killer" narrative are same people meatriding Wuwa right now 😂

[@AespaKatarina]

Like Asmon, Mtashed, Tectone and a bunch of their minions abandoned ToF as soon as it started sinking, and now they're back with another game. Next up, Neverness to Everness, We went full circle

[@Ew-wth]

You have to be incredibly blind to not see the obvious difference between quality in Wuwa vs. tof. You're quite literally just talking out of some cringe ass hatred toward something that shouldn't matter to you. Grow up. Touch grass. Do anything other than being cringe.

[@Cytryz]

I play Genshin/HSR/ZZZ/Wuwa. I definitely enjoy wuwa the least though. I’ll probably drop it when Azur Promilia comes out and that’ll probably be my 4 I play. It’s an ok game. Beyond the gameplay there’s not much to care about. I think Hoyo does a good job even if the job they do is the bare minimum for everything that’s not art/music/animation. They could easily improve the game and make it a titanic behemoth in the industry. But hey, it is what it is, maybe someone else will and will craft a world and chars + gameplay I adore.

[@someoneinasia]

most gacha games revenue came from mobile, and wuthering waves on mobile is truly an awful experience. until they fix mobile performance, i don't see wuwa getting new influx of players, it will just slowly dying out. another ironic thing is, ZZZ has higher mobile spec requirement than Wuwa, but because wuwa terrible optimization, wuwa runs way worse on mobile than ZZZ.

[@ParafrostV]

Most of it comes from PC as most players are on PC.

[@Mary-f9z]

different engines they use so obviously unreal engine on mobile would more demanding compared to unity which zzz uses and i don't see ww dying out any time soon as long as they listen to players and continue bringing out good story then they should be good even pgr doesn't make as much but there still active for about 4 years in CN so your point of ww dying doesn't make any sense and there have been other gachas that don't earn as much so their still around and active as well.

[@randomperson4198]

​​@@ParafrostVare u talking about gacha revenue as a whole or wuwa revenue.

[@aaronyogurt8723]

@@ParafrostV same as hoyo, they have PC +PS(which Wuwa doesnt have)

[@someoneinasia]

@@ParafrostV nope, most gachar revenue are from mobile and not PC.

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

48:17 I would love to see your story comparison between them😂 WuWa story is embarrassing, people act like 1.1 was good, and it did improve from 1.0, but... its still boring. And I usually don't care about story when there's good characters and entertaining character interactions. But characters are THE worst part of WuWa. There's zero entertaining characters. Maybe Scar for 5 minutes. That's it.

[@kiuhh1118]

Scar is just generic edgy "society" villain. Its insane how low the bar is for wuwa writing when they praise that guy as the goat villain or something

[@reedsad4652]

Who is calcharo?

[@reedsad4652]

@@Junowynxhu we caught one boys haha

[@jilvermazariegos]

Oh the gacha comments are only gonna get worse the bigger you get, its tuly brain rot on another level. Hope u brace urself.

[@davevaldivia1374]

i also kinda shocked like how WuWa cant make more money since its Jinshi and Changli banner which alot of people hype so hard for them. People who always said theres a bug on day 1-day 3 revenue, its not even an excuse lol. WuWa really having rough performance as well cause keep reminds, its made with UE4 for the most part not super afforadable for mobile players. Also free 5*, weapon banner being guarantee, etc, its not even a excuse as well since most of free stuff majority of it for standart banners instead limited banners. For Hoyo, no comment. They nailed it and especially in logic way, if ZZZ that boring, not great, tv boring, braindead gameplay like "majority" and western CC said, why they can get #1 spot rn?

[@Mary-f9z]

ZZZ hasn't really brought them any new players and comes from existing players so they will play anything that comes from hoyo. For me numbers doesn't really showcase whether a game is good or not. I usually base it on the gameplay itself and story

[@TacticalDimples]

You’re comparing them to HoYo. It’s like comparing Costco to your local family owned supermarket lmao. HoYo isn’t a gaming development company, they’re a marketing company. Kuro still has a long ways to go, but they will never be as successful as HoYo.

[@DJSMedeiros]

wuwa had the revenue frozen right after changli banner so it indeed heavily affect the total number since most of revenue comes on the first days of the banner. Also u cant deny that getting copies and weapons is much cheaper on Wuwa since the pity is lower and u can buy on the shop 2 copies of the banner character, so basically u only need to go for 5 copies instead 7, and the weapon banner is guaranteed, even refresh stamina is cheaper, so it definely will do less money than hoyo games no matter what, then u add up that wuwa runs like shit on mobile which gatekeep a huge portion of players, people think that gatekeep people with bad devices is not a big deal coz they dont spend much money but thats not all true, if u have 200k people buying only the monthly subscription then its a milion extra dollars on the bank and if from this 200k half decide to get the bp then its another million, but this problem the only to blame is kuro for the shit optimization. In summary Wuwa with less playes, cheaper prices and frozen revenue on critical days made almost as much as HSR and Genshin which is very impressive and show how succefull the game is.

[@tsuki3003]

Tbf WuWa isn't the best in mobile. It shines the most in PCs and also for the upcoming console PS5 for sure. Also, Changli wasn't really recorded and it's a fact u can search it up. First 2-3 days of changli banner there was a lot of whaling happening so that largely affected it. You seem to not understand how big hoyoverse is in China. 66 million difference btw only coming from china. So ZZZ revenue literally got carried by CN alone. CN players loves hoyo so much.

[@feralchimaera99]

​@@Mary-f9z I had the same thought that it got carried by the hoyo brand and it's existing playerbase from their other games and yeah numbers really doesn't showcase how good the game is. ieg DMC:Peak of Combat, it got so much money on it's early months being carried by the IP and now the people behind it are fighting against their community.

[@sengcreate3060]

ZZZ are boring at the start, but when the higher Your Proxy Level or High difficulty, where the fun getting start

[@AespaKatarina]

coz Hoyo takes their time setting up the story unlike Wuwa's messy story. Lots of yapping at the start but that's just how hoyogames are, not for people with adhd

[@saiwaqa2573]

I think it's disingenuous. zzz attracts a lot of the older playerbase while genshin and HSR are more for the younger crowd. I don't think it's just the same players ONLY playing these three games. I do think newer players are playing zzz. That said, HSR and genshin had low patches. Genshin is facing a boycott by the west ATM, and ZZZ just had its launch. So it's not a fair statement to claim it's just the same playerbase. Furthermore, in Japan zzz is very high on PS5 charts, and this is only mobile. I do wonder how much it made on PC as I'd argue a massive portion of the playerbase are on PC. I also knowany HSR players who aren't playing zzz, and same with genshin players. I do not play genshin either lol. You, yourself are part of the new audience since you don't play any other hoyo game. It is attracting a new audience.

[@craiver00]

"zzz attracts a lot of the older playerbase" The characters: Bunch of Lol!s and furries. The animations: Exaggerated and cartoony HUH??

[@marielgalicha8548]

​​@@craiver00 Nostalgia exist. For older people, it reminds them of the old cartoon & animation or Splatoon even. For Loli and furry, they are getting new players from those communities as much you guys love or hate them.

[@saiwaqa2573]

@@craiver00 Its very reminiscient of persona, the music is very early 2000s nostaligia, and the game has a style that supports a normal person who works a normal job.

[@craiver00]

@@marielgalicha8548 As someone who watches cartoon in my childhood it doesn't even remind me of those.

[@craiver00]

@@saiwaqa2573 A game with predatory gacha system for normal working person. Damn.

[@randomperson4198]

2:56 agreed hard

[@imjustlikedenji5954]

I genuinely don't believe ZZZ is underwhelming in any manner, it's very focused in its production and Hoyo are very experienced WuWa might be in a tough spot for now, at least on mobile(it would seem that was mobile revenue) but on PC it should have a lot more + PS5 release is coming soon It's their first open world so there's obviously many issues but they're really cashing in on it

[@ClapClap4Sim]

yeah but didnt ZZZ start a week into july meaning there would be a whole week of no money making for the month of July , Im pretty sure agust is gonna me more that 100K

[@Ew-wth]

Wuwa released close to the end of May, meaning most revenue went into that week on launch and yet still everyone thought an estimated 60 mil with pc wasn't a lot. Your point? This shit is honestly so cringe, as if a company that made a game over years and years and spent during all that time around 100 mil wouldn't survive if its first two weeks made 60 mil. These are gacha games and their profit margin is so insanely high that it's not even worth discussing whether one company made enough to create 50 more of these kinds of games and keep them alive or not.

[@ClapClap4Sim]

@@Ew-wth uh why you yapping that much ? I just said the game is gonna keep growing why bring wuwa in the dicussion ?

[@AespaKatarina]

I gave the game chance but man, it won't even run on my phone without lagging horribly so i switched to pc and there's still stuttering. The story/ writing is just dogwater. The voice acting in EN is just laughable. The world is so gloomy and depressing, like i know, post apocalytic and sht but man, it gets boring really quickly

[@sukanya90]

Wuwa cant reach zzz revenue. How they want to be zzz killer? what fail of games.

[@Delightful567]

They never said so wtf

[@sukanya90]

@@Delightful567 Wait. Is it genshin? even if it genshin killer, they doing it badly.

[@kamilfahmii]

@@sukanya90 they never said anything about killing other game, what are you on about?

[@famimame]

They're not Genshin killer nor ZZZ and never will be, they just want to cash in on the slice of pie from Genshin revenue 😂

[@steven310250]

Yes i'm not excited to go back to china futurism in Star Rail

[@steven310250]

My biggest issue with Wuthering Waves is the Chinese aesthetic. I'm not a fan of Ming Dynasty mythos design. The characters are boring and lack personality. Nothing screams unique to me of these character designs. The names and terminology, don't like it either. I was not a fan of Xianzhou and Liyue already, but Wuthering Waves magnify my problem on a larger scale. I will say this though. Zhu Yuan, and Qingyi? Yeah they're Chinese but you know what? At least they don't look like Shifu Hung Dong from some Chinese fantasy. They look like they're ordinary people living in modern age setting. Not the scifi chinese futurism nonsense from Xianzhou Luofu. They're bad ass cops and one of them is an Android. Cool. My second issue, Wuthering Waves traversal is ass. Open world is a slog fest, its the same as genshin. Walk point A to point B on foot. No mounts. Colors aren't vibrant and muted. Azur Promilia will stomp the shit out of Genshin and Wuthering Waves just for the Mounts alone, emphasis on FLYING MOUNTS mind you. Genshin is in its 3 and quarter year stage and we still don't even have flying mounts in the open world yet. This is a joke and Genshin's traversal is still dog shit. Wuthering Waves removed the stamina sprint, however when climbing walls, still has stamina and its bad. Nothing about Wuthering Waves Open world traversal excites me. It feels like shit even with sprinting. Hell I'd argue Manjuu Studios got the atmosphere right and definitely has more personality than Kuro Games when it comes to designing games. Kuro Games just known for making scifi apocalyptical genre. They suck at making anything else outside of that and it shows.

[@Ew-wth]

There will most likely be regions inspired by different countries. We're still in 1.x and the CEO has said they want to explore different settings, cultures and so on in a presentation for game developers (as far as I know). He was also talking about the fact that they did indeed make more money than expected as they didn't go into it with the highest expectations (because of existing competition being a juggernaut most likely), but all that was just a side thing as he talked mostly about their shortcomings and how it is to be handling a much larger playerbase from all over the world, with everyone having expectations that they want to address. A good tldr was made by Narushio: Wuthering Waves Future Plans - More cultures and styles from around the world - Higher interactivity and immersive experiences - More compelling character development - Better academic satisfaction of content preferences for users worldwide - Solon also confirmed there will be other major regions rovers will explore/other worlds I don't think you can really fault a Chinese company to have its first big region be inspired by China. And that's coming from someone who also thinks the HSR designs are too samey in that region especially.

[@Delightful567]

ZZZ story sucks tho wdym… Chap1 was mid af

[@user-li9vs1fe5k]

@@Delightful567 it's call slice of life story which is obviously not what you like

[@Delightful567]

@@user-li9vs1fe5knah i do I like animes like Nichijou I just didn’t see it was appealing enough for me

[@Steamedhams578]

@@user-li9vs1fe5k Telling people "Oh you just don't like the genre" when they say they don't like something is dumb af. Also only morons to begin with will dislike entire genres. Even if you dont like a genre as much there is usually one example that you do like. Stop doing this.

[@marielgalicha8548]

I guess you haven't seen Chapter 2 & 3 where it is starting to be good start

[@MyNameIsIisan]

I don’t think people gave it a fair shake tbh. Y’all went in with your preconceived biases and were looking for reasons to not like it. If you’re hyper fixated on looking for the bad, you’ll only see bad (This doesn’t just apply to reading). The reason I say this is because the story isn’t bad. Everyone was talking about how bad the story was and I was going in prepared to hate it like I did with penacony, but I was surprised to find that I actually liked it. I also don’t think people understand what a slice of life is. Come talk to me when you’ve watched yuru camp