Is your bike dangerous?

[@draugmithrin]

That's why I've stayed with alloy/steel frames, external cables, rim brakes, and non-proprietary parts. I build and maintain my own bikes. and can spot issues before they become dangerous, replacing worn parts is easy and affordable. Quality assurance and testing in the bicycle industry is inadequate, they often can't ship bikes that are safe to ride out of the box. Watch Durianrider's latest vids on Specialized S-Works.

[@unionholdingsnightingale8248]

This was exactly my thought process when I built my first steel bike, only been a few months riding it but I feel like it can last a lifetime

[@dogukantosun5547]

About the airplanes; yes if 1 engine fails, you have redundancy. But there are also parts, which have been designed "Fail-proof". For example wings. If one fails, you are unlikely to survive. They fit therefore in this "Fail-proof" concept. Similar principles apply (must apply) to bicycles. There should be no scenario "in case your fork breaks", the fork should be designed in such a way that "it will not break".

[@MerlinMan1579]

I'm no engineer, but I have extensive experience in working on Road bikes. The issue here is that there is no standards adhered to with these non-redundant parts. Like the Oceangate disaster, they happily use people as the Guinea Pigs. To my mind this is morally corrupt and un-ethical. I personally would not buy a new style of Road bike with hidden anything. If it is easily inspected then generally, it is easier to service, so the rider will be more willing to take on his own servicing, and thereby know more intimately his own bike, and any safety issues that may arise. Hidden cables, through steerer routing etc flow onto extra costs associated with taking the bike to a mechanic for inspection of these systems/parts, so maybe the rider will delay or avert altogether periodic maintenance, and the outfall of that could be catastrophic to the rider. Added 15:30...... If you build the fork stronger it will increase harshness. Front end assembly and hidden routing for disc Road Bikes is the biggest problem the Industry is facing. No one has done it very well yet. Because there are so many flow-ons from each solution any one tick is a cross at the other end.

[@jamesmcguckin6288]

I couldn’t have put that better myself. I really couldn’t. Top post IMO 💕✌️

[@rangersmith4652]

Cables running through the down tube or top tube is OK as long as they're running through housing, but I want nothing to do with cables and wires running through my stem and head tube where they are subject to rubbing and chafing and their condition can't be observed. I don't want my bars, stem, headset, and fork compromised by internal cable channels either. My strong preference is for every inch of cabling and housing to be visible so I can inspect them for problems. Would it be acceptable to anyone for his or her car's steering column to be disassembled periodically to make sure the brakes will work and the gears will shift? No, it would not. Why should our bikes require it?

[@The2808erik]

Yeah I agree a bicycle is supposed to be simple, less faff, more rides. It also encourages people to work on their own bike if its simple. It makes the whole ownership experience very rewarding in my opinion.

[@dhanso928]

The Look...Aero!..Save lottsa watts!...I give em credit for selling this to get people to want to give up their older bikes and buy the latest. But if you're not in the breakaway or riding a lone-flyer, you're going to be in the draft..and there goes the "aero" advantage of the hidden integrated concept. In order to look cool what do you lose? The ability to interchange parts. The owner-maintenance option. The ability to easily adjust bike fit. Safety. Big price. The teams get huge payments, unlimited bikes and lots of factory mechanics to ride what their bike sponsors are selling. So they do, and it looks really great on TV or the net. But we who ride unpaid don't have team cars following with multiple bikes. In a way it's cool that some riders feel the need to "be like the pros" and ride an Aero integrated disc tubless bike at the front of group rides. Easy to sit on.. always compliment them, tell em they're hammering you... You're saving 20% more watts than them even if you're on an older climbing bike or...

[@KNURKonesur]

That's why I stay away from road cycling. I'm happy in the mud, on loose gravel and constantly climbing. No need for aero shenanigans, and all my components are easy to fix/replace in the middle of nowhere on a multiday camping/cycling trip.

[@dhanso928]

@@KNURKonesur My older road bikes won't be replaced with the new-style. For the reasons you've mentioned. I'll stick with my mechanical rim braked adaptable and user friendly 17lb bike(s) and be happy when I go on extended remote travels away from bike shops, Amazon delivery, like that. If I miss a ride because there's an issue related to some "improvement" like a flat battery or a pinched brake hose or a broken part that is totally proprietary and unavailable.. that's not happening

[@simonalexandercritchley439]

Totally agree safety should come first. None of my bikes have internal cabling through the headset. There should always be redundancy built in and high standad's adhered to which is not the state of the bicycle industry we have. As stated before I want to work on my own bikes as much as possible and adhere to the KISS principle. Cycling is dangerous enough with out all this bullshit.

[@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well]

And im here with my 20 year old rim braked superbike that cost me 700 euros on fb markerplace, weights under 7kg and the full maintanace takes up to 1hour of work. Love it!

[@TheKryztiandivor]

I also think that bikes should be designed/built/QC:ed so that one doesn't have to make annual inspection of it whether dropped or "light" crash etc.

[@KNURKonesur]

Thats what basic and mid level components/bikes are for. The top of the line stuff (in my mind) is always going to come with some unchartered territory.

[@zedtony8110]

The more these manufacturers innervate the more I think that for my next bike I will return to an alloy bike.

[@dhanso928]

Here's another issue that's probably there:. Introducing electricity to a carbon frame? Any alloy in contact must encounter increased electrolysis I had a Trek and an Orbea with alloy dropouts, obviously assembled without care for this and I stopped riding the Trek due to obvious degradation of the bonds. I worked as a shipwright and had a sunk boat repair job when one boat lost it's battery maintainer overboard, putting current into the bronze hull fittings of the boat next to it. The bronze became swiss cheese

[@paulwinkfield6560]

OMG! Waynos i agree 100% when i purchased my 2008 Kestral Talon, it was so different from my steel bikes i took it to a couple different mechanics to check out my build, it made weird sounds, and cable rattled inside frame, got all that fixed, my second bike 2015 GT Grade, all cables are attached outside of frame and huge square fork, it's like a MTB not as cool but you see everything! When asked price to cleanup the cables up front, they said $175!! I get it, its lots of work, I purchased all the parts, thinking I'd do it during winter, but all I did was swap wheelsets and just rode! For my 71st birthday I was thinking of a Look 795 Blade, everything hidden! keep up the great work! you speak of things I worry about!

[@durianriders]

Truth!

[@derekhobbs1102]

Remember when bikes sold in Australia needed an Australian Standards sticker?

[@sawc7012]

Arguably a fixed sleeve or channel inside the head tube should be able to keep the internally routed cables and hoses from touching / rubbing the steerer tube

[@yonglingng5640]

That doesn't sound viable. How are the brake and shift lines going to move with the cockpit?

[@mikefoster3901]

Ride rim brakes Problem solved 😊

[@universe-juice]

Lemond has been working on this topic. His ideas are very different from normal designs. Unfortunately i dont know if hes going to live long enough to see its fruition. But hopefully someone else will pic up his torch

[@yonglingng5640]

Where are these ideas discussed about online? I'd like to see them for myself.

[@universe-juice]

@@yonglingng5640 comment is no longer relevant due to Greg Lemonds failing health. But his concept bike is called 'Lemond 8'. You can dig it up on various media sites like bike rumor

[@secretagent86]

the most likely cause of a crash is poor tires. I check mine after each ride. When i get nicks and cuts, I replace the tire. most days i am hitting 55-65 km per hour. a blowout is the last thing i need

[@BIKEPRO603]

The open end " C " type compressing ring is cheaper to make & easier to assemble the bike in the factory, it have a bit over 200 degree of engagement. Most of the major brand bike use it. The best design so far is the Token compression ring, It have almost 360 degree of engagement. Shape edges been chamfering. But is more time consuming to install. cables & hoses have to put through the ring.

[@yonglingng5640]

If you're talking about having to recable the bike to replace Token's compression ring, it doesn't look like that's the case. Its open-ended design allows fast and easy replacement, for both the M-Box and S-Box versions.

[@lomilomi3535]

i think for the silly prices these days for bikes the engineering is not reflected in the pricepoint...to pay upwards of £ 12000 sterling and have integrated handlebars fail is nonsensical......look at all the snapped frames of pro riders and racers...one crash and the bike is potentally ruined....even cheap low end bikes are thousands of pounds...bring back cheap steel bikes for so called normal people...needs to some regulation so certain parts are fail proof....

[@sylvainbernaers]

very informative

[@flyingkangaroo8024]

Waynos, it is not a matter of taking your bike to the shop to pay and get it inspected, it is clearly a design flaw and more to the point a safety issue where it can cause serious harm if steerers are damaged, this mandates a manufacturer’s recall safety notice. Australian consumer law mandates that a product has to have reasonable durability and expected lifespan of its use.

[@andreemurray7039]

Many recalls about the fork strear breaking no thanks

[@steppings5645]

A new frame just launched claiming to be more aero and lighter uphill than a light aero thing! It costs £6300 for the frameset alone and NOWHERE in the blurb does it mention QUALITY! and in this industry I'm afraid it has no right to be implied.

[@grahammitchell9415]

Sadly you are not likely to see many current proteam bikes in a future version of eroica.

[@jamesmoros1274]

Yea inspect every 12 months and a bill of $300-$400 or take this type of bike in an airplane bag, box. The design looks nice but a Pain and unnecessary to me at least. Cheers From Adelaide 🇦🇺

[@jamesmcguckin6288]

Perhaps they should have all cables external. Would that be out of the question because it actually works. Safety over aesthetics every time IMO

[@yonglingng5640]

For me, it's about headset serviceability. I want my headset assembly to be fast and convenient to work on.

[@litespeed65]

Great video as always but GCN would like a word with you.

[@mickchaganis6607]

Traditionally, isn't a headset the lowestest maintenence and longest lasting serviceable part of a bike 🤔....... After my initial builds, I can't ever remember having to take a headset apart again.

[@yonglingng5640]

Assuming basic bike care is done and service intervals are respected, I think it only has to be serviced occasionally. Unfortunately, we're not living in a perfect world. People just leave their bikes aside post-ride, not even giving them a rinse, much less a wash, especially for the sweatiest riders.

[@mpicanza4491]

What happens when you pay a small fortune for this 12 month check and they discover damage on the carbon fork steerer tube? Who takes responsibility for fixing this? Warranty claim - no, the manufacturer will walk away and blame the bike shop. The bike shop will blame the design + manufacturer and walk away = the customer has no choice but to spend a small fortune on new fork, rebuild, etc etc… Like many comments below, I stick with rim brake, external cable road bikes, not because I don’t like or appreciate modern design, but because I don’t trust the standards or support I would get from an industry just looking to keep making money out of enthusiasts. Manufactures are constantly trying to reinvent technology to differentiate themselves from competitors, for press coverage to raise brand awareness and to create new desire for their products. “You need this years model sir, last year’s design was rubbish…”

[@waynosfotos]

Well potentially that could be a new fork and spacer, so not going to be cheap if no one wants to cover it 🤔

[@brianford8493]

Only when im not on her mate

[@iffy_too4289]

Please find some pictures that illustrate what you're talking about to show us. I'm sure there's some images out there that you can use royalty free or under fair use doctrine. I don't want to have to sit and try to imagine what you're talking about AND watch a talking head. Yes, this all probably comes across as a snarky comment, but as I've worked out over time just because someone knows what they're talking about doesn't mean everyone else does. Kind regards...

[@deanpesci8484]

Right up there with cheap Gina carbon and disk brakes.....glad I had my heyday in the 90s when bikes were something that became part of you.....dont try that now....