Israel Talk w/ History PhD Student Derails Into Intense Debate...

DEBATE: Convo w/ PHD student Matt escalates into an intense debate...
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Heated Confrontation w/ Destiny On His Israel Take
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Date: 31 October, 2023
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[@freedomandguns3231]

I haven't even made it past the intro and my only reaction is "Destiny chill! You dont need to slaughter him this badly!" Lol

[@baskoning9896]

When you say 'mass removal of ARABs' you fail to understand one major factor: Israel is not against ARABS... they are against arabs who happen to be muslim: while islam is an organization that preaches death to the jews. Why on earth would they allow people inside their country, that want to kill them all. They dont 'mass remove people because of the color of their skin', they want to throw out everybody that is a member of an organization: that wants to kill all jews. And gays btw. To act as if jews suddenly got racist and decided to hate and throw out people because of their skin color is just nuts.

[@baskoning9896]

'in islam jews and christians have the same standings' as what. AS WHAT. as dhimmis. What are dhimmies. SUBDUED people. That pay any taxes (called jizya) the muslims impose upon them, in exchange for not being... MURDERED. They are literally second rate citizens. You know: 'apartheid'? And now for the kicker, you know what position ANY other religion holds, like hindu, in islam? None. They have NO status at all: ZERO rights. ZERO. Yet, you act as if 'under islam, christians and jews have rights'. Dont make me laugh.

[@Rick_Cleland]

*_Modern education, creating people smart enough to repeat what they're told and follow orders, and dumb enough to think that makes them smarter than everyone else._*

[@Ehbrew]

A doctor of history viewing the past in order to fit a current Narrative… super hard to watch.

[@itsJets]

"I don't know why you're in debate mode" -man who is 1 hour into a debate

[@babsa90]

Bewildering for sure. If he didn't want to be in debate mode, he should have made it educational/academic by providing credible sources for these conflicts. You don't just get to lay out your entire political opinion regarding something like this and then balk at Destiny for pushing back.

[@badmuddafadda]

But, but, Steven didn’t just lie back and soak up what Matt was laying down. It didn’t go the way Matt dreamed it would. That’s when Matt “had” to start using his verbal diarrhea tactic.@@babsa90

[@lothar8077]

"We are hopping around to so many points in history and I don't know what the point is." -man who invited a historian to discuss history.

[@hadror13]

"Historian" laughable 😂

[@saifdes]

4:52 It's not only "a common argument, blah blah blah". As a middle-easterner and ex-Muslim, I grew up with everybody around me telling me to hate the Jews: my family, our media, our religious teachings, our politicians, and finally our religious leaders. I know it's hard to you to understand that as an outsider, but there is something fundamentally wrong with Islam as a religion, and that's why I left in the first place, and that's also why the majority of Muslims support what Hamas did on October 7th. We may call jihadist groups an extreme version of Islam, but I'd argue that they're the only people who apply the real Islam as it is. They're not extreme; this is just how Islam really is. Maybe the majority of Muslims don't act this way, but it's clear they support it, and they don't want peace; they only want to destroy the state of Israel. Extremism and racism are not limited to Islam alone, for sure. Simply every religion has some of them, but it seems like Muslims are one of a very few religious groups who're taking these teachings seriously in this day and age, and they're more than happy to apply them whenever they have a chance.

[@Wei822mm]

Thank you for speaking up. Peace and love

[@Mpc5061]

Thank you for speaking out

[@ordro107]

You are brave and inspiring. May everyone be as strong as you to look beyond the limitations of the society they were born in. There might be peace one day thanks to people like us. I'm an Israeli and I'm anti-settlements anti-jewish representation in Parliment and Orthodox and anti-fascist (who are responsible for the dominant alliance of right wing in Israel)... But I still know Israel has a right to exist and there should be a Jewish state that is inclusive to all it's citizens, and can become a good place. I believe if all religions are put back in their place as a recreational activity and not as political powers the world can finally go forward.

[@pmarreck]

You're such an Islamophobe =) (I bet even an ex-Muslim wouldn't be permitted by the Left to speak truth to power about the problem of Islam)

[@pmarreck]

It is my understanding that it is incredibly hard to leave Islam (not only because of their rules, but because of the emotional and likely logistical cost). You are both a hero and someone I wish I could give a hug to. Spread love, be safe.

[@clickbaitrater8945]

"Nothing over 150 years ago matters" "wait, nothing over 100 years ago matters" "Wait, nothing over 9 years matters" "I'm informed on all of it" "I'm informed on everything except the war that counters my narrative" "You're in debate mode". Why did this guy get the time of day? I think you've done an awesome job of being objective, I have typically been a right-wing consumer online lately, and have been much more open to the left since watching you. How someone can so obviously and admittedly be biased, while acting like YOU are the biased one is literally insane. This feels like one of those conversations with people who think an Australian saying "all lives matter" is racist. He wasn't interested in a good faith discussion, just his narrative.

[@walterlaten7662]

I have no hate for the left i just cant stand their extreme groups and those at the moment are dictating the movement so i rather go right then left too many crazies in the side of the left yes the right also has crazies but they are just racist assholes they still live in reality but the left they dont live in reality and it drives me crazy

[@icekills1]

Lowkey need a timestap for this

[@jaednhowlar2359]

being a centrist is the best and the worst, lol.

[@neilmerchant2796]

Show me anyone who says "all lives matter" that isn't a racist. lmao

[@clickbaitrater8945]

@@neilmerchant2796 Braindead take.

[@Robert-hy3vv]

"No I don't think mobilizing your entire army on your enemys border is a sign of war." - phd student

[@dicey8928]

That's the Same as NATO sitting on Russians boarders and Russians were to be Cool about them being there 🤯 Zionists brains👹

[@MillieMe05]

He comes across as not super intelligent.

[@Robert-hy3vv]

@@MillieMe05 agreed

[@armondtanz]

wait wait wait wait + blah blah blah blah Never play the Destiny drinking game

[@banner767]

He's never met Gandhi in Civ IV

[@du6ee]

Who would win? 1 guy with a phd or one woman with a few days of research?

[@brewbush]

You gotta talk with smarter and more reasoned liberals

[@codytownsend3259]

A woman with a few days research probably.

[@mcblu9344]

Hahahahaha

[@TheTataxx]

Girl power obviously

[@CausalityUsurper]

Obviously the woman, but only if she has a stripper name.

[@Nfinity4231]

Summary of this debate. "Boy you are really into this Israeli narrative." "Hold on did I just say something factually incorrect?" "Well, no."

[@mrman-yj3bn]

Love how that guy didn't trust any "isreali facts" but as soon as the foreign minister says something that supports his argument, he was 100% telling the truth and is trustworthy.

[@mhdawod8350]

why would a minister lie against his country....The fact that he refused to belive it and chose to believe some collective conscience argument was very weak......and by the way ...in egypt,it is well established nasser was all talk and wouldn't have invaded

[@mrman-yj3bn]

@mhdawod8350 I'm not saying that's false. I'm saying that this guy doesn't believe anything isreal says, but as soon as it benefits him, he believes it.

[@kakyoin9688]

@@mhdawod8350then why did Nasser chose to close the straits to Israel when they declared any blockade is considered war. Also why did Nasser get rid of the UN peacekeepers if he didn’t want war?

[@JackSchitt-p9t]

@@mrman-yj3bn You have to look at statements in the context they are made. If you find the private diary of Netanyahu, do you expect it to be his actual beliefs? I do. If you hear Netanyahu give a speech at the US Capitol or at the UN, do you expect it to be his actual beliefs? I don't. The point of understanding context is to understand what is motivating the words being spoken. Surely you understand that.

[@bengalsrz]

This is a lot more basic than you think. When a party makes a claim that sheds positive light on themselves, you should be skeptical, because the motivation to be deceitful is high. When a party makes a claim that sheds a negative light on themselves, it is more likely to be true because the motivation to be deceitful is low. Historians often operate on this paradigm when evaluating statements from national officials

[@alecstewart2612]

Supposed PhD "student" Matt: *gives information that confirms his biases* Destiny: *refutes it* Matt: "Well we just disagree." Matt: *essentially whines that Destiny doesn't agree with him* Destiny: *Gets passionate like 2 times* Matt: "wow you're so emotional"

[@samumie]

But there’s an ex Zionist that agrees with him.

[@GingerSnapps07]

You must not have paid attention to the whole video.

[@BlueDirt_ProAggressive]

Woman always so emotional

[@asmbeats5369]

​@@GingerSnapps07Ironic

[@alecstewart2612]

@@GingerSnapps07 I got like 90% of the way through. Is there something in the last 10% that I missed?

[@Schindler414]

To think this student is going to be cited as an "historian" and teach students is so depressing

[@flyingfig12]

and explains the student protesters and the 3 presidents of Ivy universities.

[@howdareyou41]

power. everything through the lens of power. if you have it you're wrong. if you don't you're right.

[@sharoncohen318]

And this is one of the "moderate" ones

[@UprightCaucasoid]

It’s so awkward when you realize somebody has a raging bias and can’t be communicated with.

[@anthonyzaddiolo]

I laughed out loud when he said that he had a “family member” in the Egyptian army but that was just “anecdotal” and not aiding in his bias.

[@User-pu2hz]

I know that’s why I cringe watching destiny now

[@UprightCaucasoid]

@@anthonyzaddiolo I know, that killed me

[@urbanangst7630]

My impression of Matt is that he's a foreign plant who is being pushed through academia and groomed for positions of social influence.

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

And we wonder why depression and anxiety rates are extremely high in very intelligent people...

[@TheSentryRob]

This guy: "Yes, the Arabs do all the same things, but Israel should do better." No, Israel should live out Western values in their country, but as far as war and foreign policy, they have to live in reality, and the reality is that the rules, expectations, and beliefs of the people surrounding them are not western.

[@blackbeltjones2903]

Justifying subjugation. Stay classy.

[@TheSentryRob]

@@blackbeltjones2903 If Israel laid down their guns and stopped fighting their would be a second holocaust. If the Palestinians laid down their guns and stopped the violence, they would have a state.

[@blackbeltjones2903]

@@TheSentryRob Why would Israel lay down its arms? Every country should have the means to defend itself. Thing is, that also applies to Gaza and the West Bank. They're quite clearly reacting with violence when provoked by Israeli encroachment and aggression. Years of conflict have radicalized both sides. So, to even suggest that Palestinians would miraculously drop their guns after years of subjugation is tantamount to expecting complete surrender. Not gonna happen. It's an unrealistic proposition, and you know it. If we're going to figure out real solutions to the problems, don't start appealing to nonsense hypotheticals. Israel played a large role in stoking the flames of Palestinian extremism over decades. This didn't start with Hamas. Are you suggesting peace negotiations over generations haven't happened or have failed because Palestinians are too violent and anti-western? BS. "Living out Western values" is no excuse for oppressing people. these aren't the only two bordering regions in the world that have to cope with different cultural and ethnic realities. It's one thing to have disagreements. it's another to be plunged into war. Point being that conflict isn't an inevitability, the groundwork for peaceful interactions needs to be laid out to keep tensions in check. And that hasn't been a fair process. Israel, in tandem with the US, have their own particular nationalist policies that seem to value security and force over attacking root causes. Typical move for power holding groups that know their actions will lead to fallout and unrest but can at least shelter themselves from it by having a strong military, police force and overall defence capability.

[@vadsmixinglab11]

Shit dude, as an Israeli, you understand this better than many Israelis who think we should treat this as if our conflict is with Norway..

[@blackbeltjones2903]

@@vadsmixinglab11 OPs basically implying the root cause and primary reason there's no peace is solely on Palestinian aggression as if there's no validity to their resistance, and as if israel is merely defending itself and not partaking in any provocations. You ppl are clowns 🤡.

[@Jake_venture]

These people denying history always reference one random person in the govt or military at the time of these conflicts and use their dissenting opinion as consensus. Do they not understand confirmation bias?

[@CrestOfArtorias]

​@@crossmarian773Views that challenge my preconceived position are violence y'all. *snaps fingers quietly*

[@pdpgb]

Destiny is justifying a preemptive war based on Egypt building up their army and joining a defensive alliance with Jordan. And then keeping all the land they take in this "defensive" war. How does this not justify Russia invading Ukraine when they've been building up their army since 2014, were about to do a huge invasion into Donbas, and were about to join NATO? Now suddenly Egypt isn't a sovereign nation that can do whatever it wants within its own borders and join any pact they want. The double standard between US allies and "enemies" is just INSANE. Also he doesn't care about international law. His position is very simply "might makes right" and we're the strongest right now so fuck everyone else.

[@VolsPride]

@@pdpgb Are you just choosing to leave out the most IMPORTANT part of that pre-emptive Israel-Arab war, something that Ukraine NEVER did to Russia? Israel didn't invade Egypt because they were just building up an army. They did so because Egypt CLOSED the Suez Canal. You think the neighboring Arab countries will allow Israel to import/export goods through their borders? The water is the ONLY way for Israel to get ANYTHING in or out of their country. Your comparison is an absolute false equivalency.

[@HansWurst-gm2rx]

​@@VolsPride ​ Besides the trade issue, you can add that Ukraine did not amass troops at the Russian border to invade Russia.

[@Jake_venture]

@@pdpgb that’s literally not what he said at all and you’re doing exactly what this guy did, ignoring the events leading up to the outbreak. Yes you have the right to do whatever you want inside your borders, but understand that provocation has repercussions. If someone puts their hand on their gun threatening you, do you have to wait until they shoot you to take action against them?

[@areichental]

Imagine holding literally any other country to the standard of the states that had literally been invaded by all of its neighbors repeatedly, and the majority of whom still refuse to recognize its existence. This guy is legit insane.

[@greenhammer3263]

Refuse to recognise its existence within what borders? Bet you wont answer

[@areichental]

@@greenhammer3263 well, considering only 2 Arab nations recognize its current borders and a third kind if considering it, I think that's a fine place to start. I'll even include the Gaza settlements since it sure seems that hamas is desperate too redraw the map.

[@greenhammer3263]

@@areichental hey fool- hamas recognises the reality of Israel within 1967 borders

[@drts6955]

I actually agree with you. But also imagine defending a state that as been built on occupying other people's homes and displacement. I mean no one ever ever ever agrees with this under any other circumstances. As an Irish dude I find it hilarious how people can tell me how awful the English were but not see that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians is the same. Most people intuitively understand that occupiers are in the wrong, even if the oppressed are in some sense more brutal (I'm simplifying).

[@17TT]

​@@drts6955palestine are jews and Christiana who were colonized and assimilated by the arab Islam empire but nobody talk about this.

[@Wahooney]

Matt: Destiny get a bit passionate in the face of complete bullshit. Matt: You're so emotional about this.

[@Baggerz182]

repent to God

[@rutvikrs]

​@@Baggerz182Cthulu?

[@LewisB3217]

@@rutvikrs Yes brother, Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

[@drts6955]

He didn't whinge at all. And he was way less agro than Destiny. What are you talking about?

[@Wahooney]

@@drts6955 he was doing the debate bro thing of "lack of emotion means I'm right" bullshit, and he came across as very whiny in his arguments. I admit 45 minutes is a little memey on my part, but when Destiny says something completely factual and he comes back with "So you take the Israeli government position?" and can't follow up with a correction or refutation of the facts. That's whining.

[@johnhendrickson300]

Thank you destiny for going out of your way to educate yourself on the facts around this debate. Too many people just accept the propaganda put out instinctively wanting to blame Israel for Palestinians problems without question.

[@BE-bk1tb]

Educating himself to the Israeli talking points.

[@skontheroad]

That's like saying he is arguing "HIS Truth" instead of "THE Truth". Which is ridiculous. ​@BE-bk1tb

[@johnhendrickson300]

@@BE-bk1tb if you want to call basic facts and history “Israeli talking points”

[@johnhendrickson300]

@@skontheroad no he is arguing the truth. You just probably don’t like it.

[@skontheroad]

@@johnhendrickson300 Exactly! The facts ARE the truth, so ofc they are Israeli talking points!

[@crowleytn]

This guy knows how to pivot to something else or a different spot in the timeline when Destiny starts owning him with facts.

[@Goodmorning592]

Yup… people keep saying he’s stupid, but I think he’s more dishonest

[@ghosthunter0950]

Yeah the way he keeps jumping between arguments is just hilarious. he doesn't even let destiny finish a sentence in reply before jumping to the next one.

[@NozdormusRage]

Watching this 'debate' (see: trashing) was so frustrating. The dude pulling the 'you're so emotional' card so many times gave me a splitting headache. Note: this man is a P. H. D. CANDIDATE. Horrifying.

[@RemOmni]

Young people are usually stupid but don't realise it until heir older and look back at all the dumb things they did and said.

[@TonyCox1351]

Outside of actual medical doctors, I don’t think PHDs are really that impressive anymore. If someone tells me they have a PHD in social sciences, I assume they are about as intelligent as someone with a bachelors in the same field, they just decided to go to school longer

[@matejmudra9925]

@@RemOmni well, large portion of old people is still incredibly stupid, but demand respect because they lived longer lmao. This is not age thing. Some people are born ignorant and will die ignorant, not much you can do about it.

[@Leoofmoon]

Hell this man's idea of a debate is just him talking for hours

[@stoop404]

I hope the board gets the opportunity to listen to their student's pure genius and the cunning ability to see how cause and effect leads to war. its really sad to see what passes for college grads these days.

[@ahappyimago]

Egypt was clearly the aggressor in 1967. This guy is a clown. Michael Oren, who he referred to, wrote a book about how the Egypt started the war LOL

[@hadror13]

And 47, and 56, 67 and finally 73

[@siggi4426]

ignoring the entire context of the conversation i hate people who talk over you for hours and hours on end and then cry when they have to shut up for 10 seconds

[@starlord157]

Does losing to Destiny in a debate justify a refund of your phd ?

[@Violaphobia]

You can pay for your education, but they can’t force you to learn anything

[@Kinhussar]

a PhD in history is probably scientifically worthless and pure literature review you can do at home

[@burnbird16]

"You're really emotional" is code for "I don't have a good response to what you're saying." So annoyed by this exhausting, bullshit debate tactic -- you're a PhD, bro, just be patient and address his points!

[@femsplainer]

PhD CANDIDATE...not a PhD yet...hopefully the review board sees this debate and forces some remedial reviews.

[@HC-sb5ck]

PhD doesn’t mean anything. I’ve dated 2 women with PhDs. Both were lying, cheating whores like any other woman.

[@jogiff]

@@femsplainerwhen the PhD board asks him questions he doesn’t like this guy will be muttering, “this is beneath you I can’t believe you’d ask that I’m disappointed that you’re being so emotional…” the whole time. This little weasel was the most annoying guest Destiny has had for a while, at least when Q talks over you with nonsense he’s got entertaining things to say, this guy is just condescending and vapid

[@jmeister7477]

I doubt that is code. Destiny is a highly emotional guy and can be condescending at times. At that time he was very emotional and he admitted that too.

[@GrayNacht]

@@jmeister7477 I think you mean Destiny is a passionate guy, no one spends 5 days reading about this shit straight if you don't have some passion about it.

[@Beta0999]

It's funny to see how this guy thinks that Egypt provoking Israel and starting to mobilize is not a justification for war. When one of the cataclysms for the beginning of one of the greatest conflicts in history happened because the Russian Empire refused to demobilize.

[@MasterGhostf]

Yea I don't think this guy understands geopolitics, casus belli, and politics in general. Egypt might have not bee preparing for war but was defending their border, but that doesn't matter. It LOOKS like they were going to war, and no words would change otherwise. Actions speak louder than words. If I look threatening to someone, they think I'm going to attack them. No matter how much I say otherwise.

[@bloom4807]

Gosh, so much hate, we get it, you are a destiny fan.

[@ShakaCthulu]

If you mean WW1, you’re one of the few people that knows that. The Russian Empire mobilizing its army on A-H’s borders is really what started WW1.

[@deejnutz2068]

That's what working backwards from a conclusion gets you.

[@Prometheus4096]

Actually, the guy's position is really solid and not controversial at all. Israel did a preemptive attack. It is the case study for a preemptive attack and how it might be justified and not be an act of aggression. Only later it was found out that the USSR gave Egypt false information about Israeli troop movements, which made Egypt call up their troops and position them near the Israeli border. Which made Israel nervous and made Israel decide to attack. We now know Egypt wasn't going to attack. The open question is if Israel knew and they just attacked because Egypt's troops were being vulnerable. In the end, it was Israel that started the war and attacked first. And this war led to the occupation of the West Bank, which hasn't ended until today. So yes Israel did start an unprovoked war in which they occupied territory which they are slowly annexing. Even Destiny can't argue against this.

[@L0RDLUK]

31:25 "They don't call it the West Bank, they call it Judea and Samaria" That is one of the most Anti-semitic statements I have ever heard. He is complaining that the Jews are not calling a land that was named after their people [Judea] or after one of their cities [Shomron] a name that was made up by an Arab occupation force. The name West Bank refers to the west bank of the river Jordan, and It was occupied by the Jordanians and given this name. What an absolutely insane statement.

[@mukkaar]

It's not though.

[@eivindselseng4473]

is that rly one of the most anti-semitic statements you have ever heard?

[@howdareyou41]

his mom killed Jews in the 6th day war so we know he can't be biased

[@delaseoul87]

Here’s the problem with the Ph.D. student: he starts from the conclusion he wants, and then cherry picks select facts that fit his narrative and further his argument. It’s dishonest. Compare that to Destiny, who may have an opinion, but just reads his way through history and tries to figure out what the facts are and what makes sense. One is an ideologue trying to masquerade as an objective, learned source. The other is an ACTUAL student of history who wants to learn the truth.

[@senorsavage8702]

How do you know he didn’t start from the beginning this is your first time hearing of him.

[@westernartifact4163]

Welcome to every career academic.

[@RaccooniusIII]

​@@senorsavage8702Perhaps it's because it obviously clear that the Ph.D muppet is a weasel.

[@absurdh3ro]

@@westernartifact4163this prime example of why you don’t always “trust the experts”

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

He's an activist using his "credential" to seem authoritative. Lots of people do this.

[@Falconress49]

A fundamental question that needs to be asked regarding Israeli settlements in Judea and Samaria is "WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM WITH JEWS LIVING THERE AS WELL AS ARABS?" People that argue against them being able to live there have mostly never been there. Judea and Samaria are practically wide open. If the Arabs/ Islam had just been able to live and let live, they would have been able to stay and have a very good life. Renters and squatters don't have property rights when the property is sold. That's life. Why couldn't they find another place, just like they wanted for Jews. People also need to remember that there were signs in Europe telling Jews to "go back" to Palestine during the Holocaust. But back to colonial ethnic cleansing... can we talk about how Islam could just never countenance giving back territory it lost in its many wars of expansion across history? Why is it that pre-1948 there were all these attacks against Jews in Palestine? What did the perpetrators say were their justifications for that? Let's examine the history of Islam with respect to Christians and Jews, shall we? Islam has done so much damage, worldwide, since its inception. We can talk about the impetus for the Crusades, and we can choose to listen to their own words, their own imams. From a spiritual and historical perspective, we seem to be looking at "antichrist "

[@arayter]

Spot on!

[@suddi218]

The idea that Israel is not dramatically closer to the US in its values than other countries in the region is complete nonsense. Rating on The Economist's Democracy Index: Israel: 7.93 USA: 7.85 Lebanon: 3.64 Jordan: 3.17 Egypt: 2.93

[@neXianXaviaX]

Damn I guess we're closer than this guy thought

[@suddi218]

​@@neXianXaviaX The funny thing is that the US is place 30 and Israel is the country with the closest index score in the entire world at place 29. Not to say that The Democracy Index is the be-all and end-all metric but it sure is a better indicator than anything the guy in the video referenced.

[@AkZeal76]

I'm shocked some people actually think the UN has anything to do with reality. Israel gave back Sinai to Egypt as part of a separate peace deal 10 years after resolution 242. That resolution had no actual on the ground effects on reality, like most UN resolutions

[@WTFSt0n3d]

If someone brings up the UN as a legitimat organisation I know, that nothing of value will be brought into a discussion by that person because he lives in lala land with unicorns and rainbows

[@ducknwater3016]

@@WTFSt0n3d The UN is basically a place where agendas and big nations can bully and do whatever they want. It’s only purpose is being a forum for these nations, nothing else.

[@Prometheus4096]

The UN created Israel.

[@AriaTheDisciple]

@@WTFSt0n3d Care to expand more on this? What exactly is the problem with the UN? A more deeper question is is the problem with the UN as a whole or individual aspects of it?

[@ANLEW82]

@@AriaTheDisciplefor the last two years China has sat on the UN Council on Human Rights. Get it now?

[@howdareyou41]

PHD: Why are you so stupid? PHD: Why are you being so argumentative?

[@Hawquin]

Love how the dude says destiny is getting emotional and says destiny won't let him talk while he cuts off almost every sentence destiny has tried to speak. AMAZING.

[@JRuni0r]

The guy clearly didn't understand Destiny's goal in this discussion. Destiny wanted to learn the History and wanted this student to guide him and fill in details that might not be obvious for a layperson. What Destiny got was someone who assumed every question or statement by Destiny was an attempted refutation of his conclusion(s). He was in fact in debate mode and was playing logic trees... 'If Destiny is asking about the Suez he'll then ask about Egypt *hop skip jump* "So you think bombing Gaza civilians is OK now because in 1948...." ' That student just couldn't grasp that Destiny was trying to better understand the linear progression of the region. It was incredibly painful!

[@lothar8077]

"War crimes don't matter." -Destiny

[@thanoswalles1352]

As someone who watches Ben Shapiro and Destiny, I am excited to see their debate!

[@KazukiFuse99]

when is it?

[@johnclark8235]

Same here!

[@ecta9604]

Ben might support Desantis over Trump, but the question is will he vote for a democrat if Trump is the Republican candidate

[@Lycanmaster]

@@ecta9604that’s not a question, he’s stated as such. As long as the candidate is Biden that is

[@thanoswalles1352]

@@ow1ix I definitely think the Biden discussion will be interesting,but I am more excited to see how the Trump discussion goes.

[@TheAleBecker]

A PhD... This surely will be a nice and honest conversation based on historical facts

[@mojohn1634]

@@Anaught-tbrk08 Destiny got stumped

[@IstandwithIsrael236]

probably his phd was in propaganda

[@weebleman6]

Dude seriously asked, "what are we talking about again?", and then proceeded to **immediately** talk over Destiny when he attempted to clarify.

[@cplusmcretired]

It would have been great to see a debate between these two. This was essentially a podcast by the PHD student and he occasionally allowed Destiny to say enough to spark a new idea to keep him from spinning in circles too long.

[@someguy3414]

This guy is a history PhD. student and gets summarily wrecked by a dude with a girl's name who has been studying this conflict for 4 days. Chef's kiss.

[@Syn741]

If you have a PhD, please don't say you have a PhD unless you REALLY KNOW wtf you're saying. you are basically putting your degree and credibility on the line, or maybe even your future job on the line. if you're not well verse in history, and say you have a PhD in it, jesus.... good luck to your future endeavours...

[@user-gw4jp3xg3n]

This guy doesn't have a phd

[@Syn741]

@@user-gw4jp3xg3n ahhhh... right student.... but still nto a good look.

[@Aliyaaaa]

FOR REAL😂

[@benjamineer3045]

to be fair history is huge field with a lot insular expertise required. The further you proceed in academics the more insular and specialised you will need to become on your specific field. So seeing a historian out of his breath on some special history should not surprise us

[@arthursargent8940]

He's a student studying for his PhD

[@austinhorton6350]

Oh my god. It all makes sense. Israel is the Kyle Rittenhouse of geopolitics. The ultimate liberal litmus test.

[@NeedMorePlebs]

🤯

[@MrMisties]

I am ashamed that this dude is a PhD student for history.

[@mostbased]

He has to defend his team

[@ezdelicades5554]

least biased historian 💀💀💀💀

[@MrMisties]

@@ezdelicades5554 I promise we aren't this dude is just weird 🥲

[@bigolboomerbelly4348]

​@@MrMistiesLife long love of history, can't stand the bad representation either.

[@kjmontalv1]

Its crazy how a random video game streamer can make more cogent points than a "phd student"

[@bobjenkins4925]

Reads Wikipedia for three eight hour shifts & now clowning on PHD students. I don't know whether to be impressed by Destiny or disappointed that Mr PHD's degree got outdone by 3 days of hardcore wikipedia reading lmao

[@IstandwithIsrael236]

i already knew about most of the Israeli conflicts (being a jew) and some of the stuff the pro hamas people say make me say wait was I wrong then I look it up and do research and shocking the pro hamas person got their info from al - jaazera or Reuters and it was 90% false some of them say garbage like oh "hamas/or any other country never attacked Israel before 10/7 and Israel has attacked in 1948,1956,1982,2008,2014,2019 all of them unprovoked so which one should you support the country that attacked once or 7 times"(that was a direct quote from another commenter responding to me saying that stabbing an Israeli solider for no reason is bad and a crime you should get arrested for)

[@ommaercool]

I would say dissapointed. I am glad that I chose a PhD where you cannot be bad and fuck up. I work in the field of Cognitive Neuroscience and study the effect of brain lesions on different kinds of memory and how to recover from it using animal models. When we do surgery, a micrometer of imprecission defines the difference between death and saving the life of an animal, so you are forced to be competent and you cannot carry on unless you are. You can’t argue your way around with confirmation bias, since it won’t ressurect the now dead animal. I feel that in some subjects people who just are talkers can thrive, whereas other fields are more bullshit-proof.

[@BullHorn7]

I don't think this dude let Destiny finish a single sentence without interruption. Gotta speak fast enough before his strawman claims can be disputed.

[@TheyCalllMeVincenzo]

unironically this PhD student was gishgalloping for the entirety of it and then acted like a literal baby when destiny called it out and decided to die hard on certain points i.e. foreign minister vs the rest of israel/the world - yes, this guy has the brain rot, hopefully we can set up a foundation in his name

[@ducknwater3016]

I don’t expect any muslims to not be bad faith when discussing this topic. I also don’t expect a lot of pro Israelis to not be bad faith

[@Senpatriarch]

Bingo

[@idontgetthejoke4813]

what about Jews? or Christians that are pro Palestine? Why is one side religion and the other a position?

[@Macheako]

I don’t expect anyone will care ❤

[@victoriawright2592]

You’re treating Muslims as if they are a monolith. Not every Muslim will have the same opinion on this topic

[@anonjohn69]

​@@victoriawright2592They're not a monolith but the vast majority of them are insanely bad faith about Israel. You can pretty much guess with almost complete certainty that if somebody is Muslim or a leftist, they simp for Palestinians. In the same way that you can guess with almost certainty that a leftist is not going to be critical and honest about trans women in sports.

[@anatfn10]

I’m just at the first minute of the video and I can already tell you when someone is calling you emotional in an argument it is a gaslighter who will not be able to produce a solid argument. Classic.

[@alexmontenegro9991]

He doesn’t think a blockade is an act of war? Does there exist a country that wouldn’t consider a blockade an act of war?

[@flakey9155]

Theres some active blockades going on in 2023 involving turkey and russia and there is no war between them. Speaking your position as if it was fact is moronic.

[@ethanwright752]

"but israel did a war crime once!"

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

So did the US declare war on Japan before pear harbor?

[@tomspaghetti]

Israel started the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians before the Arab countries invaded in 1948. The Balad al-Sheikh massacre was Dec 31, 1947 The Sa'sa' Massacre was Feb 15, 1948 The Deir Yassin massacre was April 9th 1948. The Arab Israeli war started on May 15, 1948.

[@kingryan69]

deir yassein was thoroughly debunked there is a book about it.

[@kingryan69]

i see your comment was deleted, proabbaly because YOU didnt actually read the book, every single death was accounted for and the story it told didnt match your narrative

[@tomspaghetti]

@@kingryan69 Lol cope harder, If you are referring to "The Massacre That Never Was" by Eliezer Tauber, yes I did read it and It's obvious that you didn't, since the title is a misnomer. Tauber doesn't deny that Deir Yassin was ethnically cleansed, he just denies that there was a "massacre" and tries to provide justification for the cleansing by saying the village was "fortified" and the villagers defended themselves. "Of the hundred people that were killed, Tauber verified that half were women and children and half were fighting-aged men. Of those killed, a quarter were 'armed combatants.'" This is what Tauber used to conclude that "there was no massacre" The book, in fact, confirms that Deir Yassin was ethnically cleansed and only disagrees with the term "massacre" being applied to it. He also confirms that the story of Deir Yassin was spread as a fear tactic to scare other Palestinians off of their land. Again, This was all before the May 15th Arab Israeli war.

[@Arphemius]

Palestinians launched terrorist attacks against Jews since the the 20s. In 1947, they literally started a race war to genocide the jews. All of the "ethnic cleansing massacres", which is already a lie, _happened in a race war that the Arabs started._ Who do you think you're trying to fool?

[@amaurisstudio]

I don't understand why people talk about the history but they don't explain the history??? So England had the control of the land and they partitioned... But why England had the control of the land? Because they team with the Arabs to fight against the Ottoman Empire!!! England promised the land to the Arabs! But before the first shot England and France already had a plan!! The Arabs fought for their land but they got backstabbed!!! Then WW2 happens, and what happened? They gave the biggest part of the Jews, even if they were a minority! So after fight for their land they got backstabbed again! Do you think they'll just say yes?!

[@amaurisstudio]

@@Phoenix00Knight I don't want people to believe me, I want people to look, to learn by themselves before hearing and repeating the comments of a youtuber... And I'm not saying that because I'm pro palestine... I'm pro truth!! Pro life! Pro justice!!

[@renanasanders]

Cant belive that Destiney with minimal education just won a debate with a phd student. That is just sad.

[@BrownCookieBoy]

Crazy how many times he misspeaks. It makes his few good points even more questionable, perhaps he misspoke there too.

[@2rcape4h]

Whenever someone rambels and refuses to listen to your arguments you know your right. Good job Destiny. I would not have argued with that guy when he can't listen to points and argue them. He just wanted to ramble.

[@ZachAsaD]

Fascinating seeing someone acting so confident when they’re so wrong

[@goldie481]

Yeah Destiny was really too confident in his defense of war crimes and genocide.

[@RacetasClub]

People are dying, it's sad, it's tragic but it's not genocide. The only ones genocided here were the Jews on October 7th. Funny how confident you are while not knowing even what genocide even means@@goldie481

[@Randomlycreatedbyme]

@@goldie481omg what a clap back wow you really showed them 😂 please go back to watch Hassan and baby settlers

[@saheerumar2443]

hey, sometimes - not often, but sometimes - Destiny just be like that

[@AstroSully]

There's more to the geopolitical world than Hassan and Destiny @@Randomlycreatedbyme

[@couranyx955]

Destiny sounding like Shapiro towards the end. xD "*super fast talk*, Obviously!"

[@wisebluehillwarrior6411]

This history guy should really take some courses on religion, and honestly, so should Destiny. In this case, Islam. I hear so many people thinking this is about geopolitics and american foreign politics, but if you truly understand Islam, you'll understand that this conflict goes all the way back to 7th century at year 622. Muhammad had staked his claims of being a prophet on the confirmation that he would get from the Jews in Medina (He expected them to confirm it to his followers). When he arrived, he found out that the Jews not only did not believe him to be a prophet, but they disregarded him and his commands, ridiculing and rejecting him. This started his intense hatred for the jewish people and is saturating all of his scriptures from that date in the year of 622 to his death at 632 (The christians rejected him later, and were then added to the list of his enemies). The idea that Jews are to be blamed for just about anything, is inextricable from Islam at this point. You would have to disregard a majority of the sources.

[@wisebluehillwarrior6411]

For more details, read the sources yourself or ask an expert. This is compressed for the sake of brevity.

[@whitedeath9]

This is such rubbish and people like you who are obsessed with Islam, poison the waters of this conversation by framing it as some religious war spanning millennia. Zionism, Arab nationalism and Islamism are all movements which rose to prominence in the 20th century. Antisemitism existed before the advent of Islam and medieval Europe was far more hostile to Jews than the Muslim world at the time. Jews were able to prosper in Al-Andulus and the Ottoman Empire - yes there were periods of hostility, but even these paled in comparison to the pogroms in Europe. It's very unfortunate that antisemitism exists in many parts of the world, but to claim that this attitude is "inextricable from Islam" is just gross and incorrect.

[@inquiry6274]

​@@wisebluehillwarrior6411 Imagine telling people to study religion more than saying something so laughably wrong as "The idea that Jews are to be blamed for just about anything, is inextricable from Islam at this point."

[@SirLied]

​@@inquiry6274That's not really even an attempt at an arguement ob your part.

[@Prometheus4096]

If you don't realize that the Israel-Palestine is about land, not faith, you will never understand it.

[@echoftw]

Lol Destiny got DESTROYED and looks like an absolute sophist fool

[@Achillusgaming]

When he started stuttering, breathing heavy, and accusing destiny of debate mode, for holding him accountable to outlandish unsubstantiated flippant claims, was a delicious experience tbh.

[@davidwallace3420]

Wow rarely see Destiny get smoked

[@syzyphyz]

This guy never never really elucidated how Israel is somehow not more in line with Western Liberalism than the Arab states even though he firmly disagreed on that multiple times but he never gave any justification for his disagreement

[@Prometheus4096]

Because Arab Jews have been in charge in Israel. Likud is an Arab Jew party. That's their voters. These voters have never lived in a western society. They don't have western values. Their parents and grandparents weren't liberal arts professors in Krakow, bankers in Madrid, or diamond traders in Antwerp. They were day laborers in Iraq, Syria, Morocco. Exactly the same as all other people in the Arab world, but just with a Jewish faith. The integration between these two groups has completely failed and is the biggest threat to the future of Israel. They are uneducated, far right, conservative, racist, poor, and they want a strongman leader. They believe that democracy will make them weak and will result into them being genocided by their Arab neighbors.

[@WanderTheNomad]

I'm surprised and disappointed that the "I said it, therefore it is true" line of thinking extends to PhD students.

[@daves465]

I really enjoyed listening to this debate. One question that was raised that has a simple answer: Why is Antisemitism prevalent in all Arab countries yet amongst Israeli Arabs it if fairly low? Well maybe it is because that in Muslim countries they are taught to hate Jews from a very young age, but the Israeli Arabs that live and interact with the Jews can witness first hand the respect they get from Jews? That they are treated as equals, have more freedom, rights and standard of living than that of their neighboring "brothers", have a higher life expectancy than that of any Arab country, and have no limitations on what they can achieve? I might be on to something...

[@Google.Is.Skynet]

Israeli children are openly taught to hate Arabs in their schools buddy. It goes both ways but Palestinians actually have a justification to hate Zionists (not Jews, Zionists. Zionists aren’t Jews).

[@aggie8346]

Considering how often he claimed Israel should have given back the “West Bank” after Jordan recognized Israel, it is laughable that Matt ignores that, by his own logic, Jordan occupied the “West Bank” from 1948 to 1967. The WB was part of the land to be partitioned between Israel and a “Palestinian” state. It was not Jordanian land, Jordan’s only claim was by conquest in 1948. Which also begs the question - why didn’t Egypt and Jordan create a Palestinian state themselves with Gaza and the WB in the 20 years they controlled the land. But no - they kept their fellow Arabs in refugee camps. Meanwhile Israel welcomed all the Jews expelled from Arab states. The Arab Palestinians have never been more than pawns to the other Arab nations - that is the true tragedy of the Palestinian Arabs -

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

I will give this guy credit. He actually cites and understands historical events and facts rather than spout banal and vague platitudes or point to tiktok videos and tweets for evidence

[@ignaciogarcia2339]

Yeah spider Gwen and this guy is world’s apart

[@koalabandit9166]

Reading the comments, I was expecting some kind of lunatic lol Jesus, he interrupts a bit too much, but if you can't talk to this guy you've lost the ability to talk to anyone who disagrees with you.

[@shutupavi]

First time seeing this channel. As someone who tends toward Libertarianism and traditionally supported Israeli actions. I found this conversation very educational. Two points: 1) Nice to hear there are still some on the “Left” can have a nuanced conversation about this topic and 2) Destiny. Buddy. You interrupt A LOT. Even though I don’t agree with any of this guys conclusions, I would’ve liked to hear him finishing up his points and then hear your rebuttal. Makes for a much better listen. Hope you have him on again and please interrupt less.

[@srm7284]

This what cognitive dissonance does to people.

[@felix-lucianbejan4939]

Do you guys think that in 20 years some diplomat is going to be like 'since Russia seemed so inept at taking out Ukraine in 2022, it seems very clear to me that Russia did not want war.' Like I get it that in the bully economics scheme fighting every kid that you pick on is a losing proposition and ideally you initiate conflict hoping intimidation carries the day every time, and it just might be that under the right circumstances the wrong kid might chose to fight back at the exact wrong time, but I don't think anyone would believe a bully getting his ass handed to him was proof that 'the bully's primary mindset was not one of fighting'.

[@Amor-Fati.]

DESTINY, I give you alot of credit for a lefty. Your perseverance for the truth, and standing firm on it, whether its popular or not. You dont have an ego issue, and are very open to learn and acknowledge when your not read on something. Well done, that is a sure sign of maturity and wisdom. I listen to who you are debating. I cannot get passed, the absolute hate that drives their desire to persecute jews. And at same time, for same exact reason, but flipped around is now not such a big thing . Wow, the delusional arguments. Kudos for not losing your shit

[@GKJusticar55]

I’ve never heard ethnic cleansing said so many times.

[@bewarned8236]

This proves a PHD in anything, really doesnt mean shit nowadays lmao

[@tmayne220]

it means less in the humanities for sure. Definitely still has value in STEM

[@WTFSt0n3d]

Destiny isn't emotional. He is tired of the endless shit from a lying waste of space

[@marksmanmerc1]

Destiny is always pissy af though

[@claudeyaz]

I will say that it's crazy that we always tell Israel to have a measured response, but we never had the same opinion with what was Azerbaijan &the country next to it? Or the whole Yemen /Saudi thing, and all those other conflicts where these big countries are not having measured responses at all against smaller. I just wish we were more consistent if we were gonna make that sort of argument against Israel

[@shubulaka27]

Last time I checked, Azerbaijan isn't using White Phosphorus bombs on DENSELY packed civilian areas; which AGAIN, last time I checked, is a gross war crime, Champ . . 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@danielwolfe3147]

Man this guy never lets Destiny finish a single sentence

[@BrandonEM09]

Whataboutism IS NOT A VALID ARGUMENT, it's not even a valid deflection. "What about the rest of the Arab world" is not a defense of Israel's actions. Just like "Africans practiced slavery too" is not a justification or rationalization for the slavery practiced by the colonial powers and the United States. If I assault someone, I don't get to deflect from that by claiming that somebody else assaulted the same person or somebody else. That's stupid and absurd yet Destiny constantly uses this rhetorical tactic when talking about Israel and entertains it when right wingers use it to talk about slavery. It should be embarrassing, not thought of as valid. Also constantly mindlessly referring to the other countries in the region as "Arab states" is disingenuous verbiage. These states are not the organic product of the people in the region, the borders and institutions that shape and govern them are not the result of the conscious collective decision making of the people in the region. They are the result of colonial and imperial powers drawing borders and setting up and imposing institutions without regard for the people in the region so pretending that the Arab people in the region's relationship to the aggression and discrimination carried out by said institutions is in any way comparable to the relationship between Israelis and the state of Israel is just not a reasonable comparison. These are just weakly veiled "clash of civilizations" arguments, and anyone with any basic ethical reasoning skills should see them as the abhorrent garbage they are.

[@octs609]

Dude im really fucking impressed with destiny. The shit he could do if he werent a gamer.

[@pappaflammyboi5799]

You're in "debate mode"? What kind of counter-argument is that? What exactly have you been doing for the past hour plus?

[@Zachariasiss]

It's a worrying world we live in when one of these people is a PhD candidate and the other is a college dropout, and you can't tell who is who...

[@williamschlass6371]

It really speaks to the state of the educational system.

[@lisawise9849]

Destiny is factual and unbiased and I just started listening to him debate the subject and he is good an I am enjoying it when he hits him over the head with facts and Truth. Keep it up Destiny I think you should debate in the universities because I think you'd make them think about what they're protesting for.

[@arthursargent8940]

This guy is going to graduate from college and then turn around and ask for student loan forgiveness because he can't find a job to pay off his loans due to the fact he chose a stupid course of study

[@JohnFilax]

Destiny, you were unprepared and ill equipped to have this debate. Your emotional outbursts and gaslighting just got worse as the debate went on.

[@kavalerdivacom]

The winner is the one whose arguments require the least amount of mind reading and fantasizing about what might have happened.

[@cplusmcretired]

"Our intelligence doesn't confirm this" SEE THEY DIDNT AGREE. Apparently not being able to verify information is the same as saying it's a lie.

[@vrubayka]

"I didn't read that in my Wikipedia crash-course yet". Weasely "debate" tactics. If there was a moderator that would specify the exact topic being currently debated, Destiny would eat major sh1t due to simply not knowing anything. But because Steven has enormous experience debating people compared to a random guy with 8 KZbin videos, he can jump from one detail to the other diluting the arguments and confusing the opponent.

[@mce3210]

Thank you destiny for seeing what the Jews had to put up with all these years!! You made me a fan!!!! ❤️🙏🇮🇱☺️

[@bodybody79]

Destiny you did a great job 👏🏼👏🏼

[@EtotheFnD]

Sometimes...i wish you would put out a strategic method for eliminating a circular logic cycle from someone arguing with you, because it seems like a strong ability to have.

[@neXianXaviaX]

The audience develops and becomes more literate about it.

[@EtotheFnD]

@@neXianXaviaX no i mean destiny should make a general debate strategy video about how to stop a person engaging in circular logic. I think lots of people would love to know such a strategy.

[@Tespri]

@@EtotheFnD just draw arguments to the paper/paint/wall and show the progress of arguments being made.

[@LogickL]

Wow, a PhD student with a major in history is DISREGARDING ACTUAL HISTORY.

[@ketsueki0shiroi0bara]

Someone needs to take his PhD back.

[@emilydevlin2961]

This "historian" just makes up broad opinions with no facts & speaks over Destiny & uses personal insults against Destiny, rambles on, incorrectly quotes, & then acts like being talked over isn't infuriating during a debate!

[@ToxiCancun]

I hadn't have to chance to comprehend what going on with this conflicts that i don't care about having a political perspective. However, i can't help but to feel this issue is congruent and is ethically motivated. I feel who ever is in charge would always be hostile to the other.

[@_Addi_]

What? Care to elaborate on the second last part?

[@sirgentlebread7302]

​@@_Addi_ 2 religuous folks who dislike each other, what didn't you understand?

[@fivedudes]

I hadn't have to chance to read your comment, I just wanted to say, good day, brain worm brother

[@_Addi_]

@@sirgentlebread7302 He said congruent and ethically motivated. I want to know what he meant by that. What is he saying its congruent to? In what way is it ethically motivated? I dont think this conflict is about religion, almost at all.

[@ToxiCancun]

@@_Addi_ I feel they would use that side is Jewish (vice versa) Arabic as a excuse for violence.

[@DJEmonTV]

PhD.... Hm. Seems like you can throw that PhD in the trash

[@tripe2237]

At the beginning of this video, Destiny is literally doing the same thing he is accusing others of doing. How did he make that intro with zero self-awareness?

[@ethanwright752]

triggered leftist simping for palestinian terrorists right here

[@Falconress49]

Another fundamental question: Why is the future Palestinian state proposed to be "judenrein"/ free of Jews? Wouldn't that be an apartheid state?

[@jasondavis7913]

I’m generally on destiny’s side but about mid way thru he gets overly emotional about things he’s just recently learned about lol

[@zer0875]

Destiny just talks fast but talks crap!

[@TheGospelofKenneth]

It would appear to me and my understanding, Destiny is pulling facts from available information and this "phd" guy is pulling information from what he has been taught and believes. Seems logical and equally scary that this guy will be "respected professionally" because of a piece of paper😂 bruh. Destiny is the only former blue haired guy ive come to respect👍✅

[@theaspect4507]

“Available information” as in Wikipedia? Destiny even admits he hasn’t read about anything after the 1970s. Go back and listen to what Destiny says closely because he doesn’t really say much of anything.

[@alexvanden]

"Israel got more land in relation to population"? Please take a look at the partition map and tell me who got the vast majority of developed cities, and who received mostly arid desert. The Jews accepted it!

[@logicthinker7229]

I had a friend that argues like matt on every issue we did not agree on and thats why we aint friends anymore , just no possible way to argue with a person that hops from one thing to another nonstop

[@daba6772]

Juat wanted to say that the 47 partition plan gave jews mainly land in the desert so looking only on precentage of land given from the total land is not a correct way to look at this. 14:16

[@RealmRabbit]

Fun fact: The Romans only ever fought defensive wars... At least in the opinion of the Romans... This did sometimes involve them pre-emptively defending Rome at times...

[@alQarafi]

Rome was a huge empire. The Arabs had multiple huge empires. Even the Zionists who support greater Israel full stop are the least ambitious Imperialists in history. I will control the entire tri-state area sort of imperialism.

[@robertfaust9406]

Great point!

[@mrmr3015]

This statement makes no sense and is not what the romans thought at all.

[@yaaraamozig4862]

Thank you

[@andoceans23]

Based Destiny

[@Itamar536.]

this PHD student has so much confirmation bias that I can feel his veiled hatred of israel, destiny is right he was not doing a debate in good faith at all