It Has No Business Being This Good in PVP - Optative Review

[@rushsoccer1355]

one thing that I love about these new Undying weapons is that with teammates, you never have to reload as the origin trait gives you like 2.5 times base mag so in a pinch, if you have a few stacks, you can just keep firing.

[@davidgabrieltaylor]

Yeah the origin trait is awesome

[@metakiogaming4529]

This was low-key a baller of a gun when it originally came out. Three taps galore back in the Luna's Howl meta, really caught a lot of other players off guard.

[@lycceto]

I’ve been aiming for this because it’s one of the weapons that can roll Permeability/Golden Tricorn which is a really comfy PvE roll. The rapid-fire pulse this season gets it too, so does the lightweight bow, and the world drop auto! I actually have that roll on the auto rifle and it’s just nice being able to always use Golden Tricorn X 2

[@Manstrual]

Also a 2-tapper in pvp

[@thecriticalyoutuber791]

You should try Word of Crota with killing wind and sword logic. It is the best 180 and it can be crafted

[@Flecco]

Word gets bonus points for audio. It sounds fantastic.

[@GazBadger]

I have one of these and I agree...its a beast

[@darkenedhonor9446]

Unfortunately not everyone can raid, so having another decent choice is nice.

[@chadmabe7069]

Nope

[@chadmabe7069]

The time lost fate bringer is the best hand canon so is malfeasence

[@DeamonPhenix]

I think the only 180 that would make me more excited to come back is West of Sunfall. Something about the model or whatever they added to them gives it punch. Trust is right there too.

[@jedimike7622]

Trust is back, but you have to play Gambit again, lol. Not that I reset my rank like 5 times in Deep trying to get my god roll or anything...

[@DeamonPhenix]

@@jedimike7622 I know Trust is back, was just including it in my top 180's (Cause technically it'd be West of Sunfall, Trust, Optative). I've got one with OS, EOTS, Accurized, Corkscrew and Range MW and it's great.

[@jedimike7622]

@@DeamonPhenix ah, fair. I've gotten a couple that are decent, just not exactly my personal God roll. I'd love if it was craftable, as it's my favorite hand cannon overall: aesthetic, performance, feel...

[@damiensmyth3404]

west of sunfall is my favourite legendary is destiny so gutted when it got sunset.

[@user-yk1jr9qz8p]

This gun is the West of Sunfall but with leafs on it

[@CrimsonYork]

I put out a review on this a week ago, tons a fun with solar hunter, permeability and golden tricorn. Dodge, becomes solar, kill GTx1, knife kill GTx2, knife also makes you radiant with the one aspect idr atm, now you have 8 seconds of a 2 tapping 180. (9 res and lower) Yes I know trust does the same thing but this has 2 upsides. 1. Craftable with enhanced perks 2. No Gambit needed Love the weapon, love the vid.

[@ArrowConductor]

I used to have a really fast reloading optative with drop mag zen moment and outlaw, i accidentally deleted it, but its nice that its finally back

[@lokilucario]

I still have my og rapid hit kill clip optative from undying. I've always loved it. Makes me feel like I'm using my not forgotten again

[@veralium]

had that for ages, scrapped it back when my vault was getting tight. glad to see it around again :)

[@fotis3v480]

Service revolver was the last thing that felt like NF for me. Good times.

[@lar300]

Thanks for another refreshing display of gunplay other than "what's hot right now". I genuinely appreciate your content and always look for it as a nice level-headed view at the state of the game.

[@papaspaulding]

It's the only seasonal weapon I bothered to farm the patterns for. Although im an auto main I do really like 180's and this one feels nice. I have the patterns although still not got around to crafting one yet as been having too much fun with lethal abundance, got all of a damn long season to go though

[@lokilucario]

How do you get the engrams for it? I'm behind on the season so I haven't gotten any undying engrams to drop

[@papaspaulding]

@@lokilucario You have to play the coil activity and open chests within it and then once you get one to drop you can focus it for engrams at the helm. I used the firefox extension also to go back over previous season passes to claim unused deepsight harmonizers to unlock the pattern

[@lokilucario]

@@papaspaulding gotcha thanks

[@Brian-ch6hg]

Looks crispy. Makes me want to bring out my OG Trust with rapid hit and firefly.

[@GhostRyder2008]

I used to use West of Sunfall 7 and Optative all the time back in the day, so I'm really excited to start using Optative now :)

[@GloverGaming3]

I loved it when you chased down that guy in the Weavewalk. Dangerous move, though. I usually recommend not chasing a fleeing opponent because he usually runs back to his team for an ambush

[@henram36]

Back in the day, this gun actually put in some real work getting the headshots necessary to get Ace of Spades catalyst done.

[@kurtnordli1381]

I wish we got the Black Armoury weapon set instead of the Undying Weapon set i miss my Kindled Orchid.

[@GingerBeardMan977]

the thing about 180 people dont see is when the range consolidation changed that happened let them get some love without bungie making it a massive announcement about em

[@syd6654]

Re: posterity Posterity is also a raid weapon and iirc they generally have higher stats

[@sora_2342]

Golden tri and then varsity’s brow+magnetic grenade go back and forth from ohk grenades and high damage three taps is pretty fun

[@josephmcgee6549]

I think the overgrown look on the weapons and seasonal armor from that season is still the best looking in the game

[@xuhhhhh]

you’re trippin

[@DrStunJosh]

What's sad (to me) is Frontier's Cry (fun gun) is the 180 with the BEST stats and it just has suboptimal PvP perks

[@oddmaddox]

And it only comes from playing pvp

[@religiousjedi]

After watching this, I finished getting the pattern and crafted it with the recommended perks. Took this leafy boi into Trials and it performed well for me!

[@phillipchaplin7151]

Was using was using it this morning, and it felt great, but assumed i was mental lol

[@annamuller9457]

That ending... perfect❣️

[@nebbie]

I actually hate the recoil of the 180s even though it’s less. It blocks so much of the screen

[@ogLenas]

Would have liked to hear about its strengths or weaknesses vs a direct competitor in the Word of Crota. Maybe I missed it.

[@WaltzActual]

Synergies like the build craft for this handcannon keep legendaries interesting for me, good catch

[@tylerprice7623]

Optato for the sneak win! If i can manage to pull decently rolled Briar, I'll be excited to implement a crafted optato with those in a build.

[@Helmsy_53Gaming]

GG’s today, that thing cooked me a couple times in zone control! Looking forward to more matches 💪🏻

[@australianeskimo853]

I used this HC to get my Lunas and Not Forgotten in Comp as a new light not knowing any better. Loved my old one but glad I can have a non sunset roll.

[@thegriefreportofficial]

I got not forgotten using this weapon back in the day~

[@bigteej8366]

I had an original one of these that I would catch people off guard with in the crucible. I was happy to see it come back. I might be the only one.😊

[@finalfantasy1201]

I love 180 HC still. Hoping service revolver comes back too

[@signi2443]

I was ranting to my clan about how dang GOOD Optative is, decided on a whim to try out a Rapid Hit/Kill Clip roll I got and it immediately floored me just how fun and usable it is. Immediately went to go craft it afterwards, it's got some secret sauce (probably the sights for me haha)!

[@tenacity25]

Kill clip is absolutely the play for pvp, because for a golden tricorn pvp 180, look to Trust. Solar build synergy with radiant and solar surge. Want to 2-tap on a 180? you can! sometimes. like once a match. but you can! edit: I recommend foetracer on a solar hunter for this with the 'radiant on melee hit' fragment btw. That way, you get surge and radiant on a melee hit, and tricorn x2 if its a kill and tricorn x1 is already up. So.. get radiant with a dodge, get a kill for x1 tricorn, get a melee kill however you can - maybe weaken them with a few shots first with a faster throwing knife or headshot with weighted knife, then get your melee back for the "melee kill while radiant" AND get tricorn x2, radiant, and solar surge active at the same time on a solar 180 hand cannon, 50% + 10% + 6%. You can easily 2-tap people to the head at 180rpm at that point.

[@omnisighted5996]

It was fun playing with you this morning gg

[@kenpachi2607]

This is really good, but getting use to this archetype after not using it since "Lunas howl" was hard.

[@brandonmelchor8667]

I'm guessing low resilience you could 2 body one head. Thats pretty cool!

[@iLLeeTx1]

Glad you’re back Tv

[@oinkwoof8378]

I shall give it a whirl when I get one. I appreciate the heads up!

[@souldestroyer199]

I love 180’s, they feel so good to use imo. I’ve always used Malf, even when it was trash. I just wish they would bring back the OG Lunas/NF. The changes killed those guns.

[@lingus1382]

I need to try this one out, the crafted round Robin with keep away + kill clip is one of my favorite guns ever and this seems like that but in a void 180

[@flaredubbzy646]

I remember when these originally launched. Pepridge farms remembers too

[@robertourrutia9119]

I craft a rapid hit - zen moment roll and it's great, is very fun to use.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

Thankyou. I'm not gunning for this one because I'm loving word of crota but I'm tired of the 180 slander.

[@pmmcrobb]

“Lackluster” feels like the common theme for most of the weapons in every season, for quite a while now.

[@PixelleHearts]

People forget how good the spam cannons were back during the Forsaken/Shadowkeep era.

[@BrianMiles755]

It remindes me a little bit of the Ikelos hand cannon. But it has rapid hit and golden trycorn, so this gun has better perks with kill clip and keep away.

[@zero-fu1pq]

I was waiting for this review

[@oinkwoof8378]

Also, loving the tunes in this one!

[@themccman]

I use to use this thing back when it first came out and 180s were even worse than they are now and I liked it then. Just weird bungie gave us two craftable void 180 HC back to back.

[@maxbaxtraxgaming5378]

180s are very consistent and the higher range ones can out range some 140s. Get a frontiers cry with iron reach and you will get full damage at ranges you wouldn't think. I call 180s my 2mm defeater

[@craigells4151]

I just got this roll, now I need to try it out 😊

[@zPOBOYz]

What roll did you get sir? I got one with smallbore, accurized rounds, keep away, kill clip haven't you'd yet

[@rightful4973]

I really want this with repulsor brace and golden tricorn. Specifically for a gyrfalcons hauberk hunter build

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

This is technically the second time they recycled them. These were originally Curse of Osiris weapons that they stuck some leaves on.

[@rbigg]

Will definitely try it out.

[@MrTellus]

Something has been changed when they updated for The Dawning. Hc is much better in pvp and the new auto from iron banner is already worse after just ONE week !!!

[@m3tr0id86]

Seriously I want to craft one with Rapid Hit and Kill Clip to fix the one Sunsetting broke. Sadly that was one I had to put down....

[@omegapex]

I can't wait for them to add a *4th* craftable void 180 hc next content drop 🙏

[@maxbaxtraxgaming5378]

With feed the void devour is preferred on warlock.

[@ashens0ul]

Watching this video makes me wish 180s felt better on mnk.

[@guillermopacheco5005]

Try the Ikelos 180 hand cannon . It’s my favorite

[@gryphon123456]

Really wish they’d brought back West of Sunfall 7 instead. Much nicer looking, natural 100 recoil and cleaner sights.

[@NoThru22]

Did I miss the recommended barrel, mag and masterwork?

[@ThePackman627]

Also compared to the other Void 180s that are craftable (ikelos, and Word of Crota) it has the highest range out of all of them

[@U-Khan24]

I'd love to use this. If only I could get one to drop...

[@Sam-pr9rr]

Focus it at riven

[@U-Khan24]

I still have to get it to drop first before I can focus it@@Sam-pr9rr

[@petergutierrez8730]

Where do these drop? Is it the seasonal activity stuff?

[@perrycarters3113]

I only wish the Optative was prettier. I think I'd slap on Nothing Manacles personally, but suppressor nades can be very useful in PvP as well.

[@KingofNewark]

Where does this thing drop? I've done Coil, Lairs and turned in engrams and not one has dropped.

[@geminihero]

I have a question to you true Vanguard if you are a veteran player of this game and have a lot of guns some that are already Craftable, should I even bother to go after this gun?

[@sjohnsontx7]

mr vanguard do you ever do pvp videos for 3v3? and why not? i think some builds u come up with would help in trials or comp. but i only see u play 6v6

[@ALESAUR79]

Resubbed. Back to quality destiny content. Missed it

[@FeedbackYT]

The competition here isn't against posterity, it's against Word of Crota, and it's not close.

[@ssjronin3972]

The operative is the best sleeper, I kept my original because it demands respect and always slayed for me.

[@osi8644]

Optative repulsed brace kill clip Girfalcons Vanishing step stylish executioner Echo of harvest /starvation/persistence /vigilance Spec heavy into mobility and resilience

[@MavicAVF]

How do you get we rans in this heavily sbmm matched game or is it just me

[@thisguy709]

If you wanna add a little razzle dazzle, put it on titan with one eyed mask 🤌🏼

[@blakkermambaa]

I've been liking 180's more lately but idk if I can take off Word of Crota for this one.

[@jmoa5634]

This thing gives me PTSD, I used it originally to get Thorn back when.

[@shaunjames5086]

I used word of crota in destiny to get thorn originally

[@Dredguno]

isnt this gun the same as the ikelos hand cannon?

[@reesejackson5935]

180s have neen solid in 6v6 Survivors epitaph is great too

[@pollyon]

nice, i prefer my epitaph though personally

[@minigamer1967]

Do I need season pass to farm this?

[@SpaghettiTop]

These wepons are BANGERS

[@JeighNeither]

I had this same experience & I even had a pve 3rd column perk lol. I was ashamed to tell anyone tho...

[@consolefragging9392]

Maybe it would be good on the hunter too? There is that void exotic

[@Sjbjo]

Thats a really good gun

[@jokeis8684]

I love how this gun feels amazing and has good stats. Kill clip AND golden trycorn is actually pretty nice Meanwhile the smg is absolute garbage 💀💀💀

[@KaPzLok]

But is it the "second comming"... If you put killing wind, and either kill clip or multi kill clip ... you're going to get the "discount" NOT FORGOTTEN... I believe there's only two 1 80s in the game that could run kill clip and killing wind .... But does it constitute as the second coming? ...

[@KaPzLok]

Whenever there is a decent 180 hand canon... the first words you hear usually is"it's a 180 so it's garbage"... Or you have a "this feels like classic ,not forgotten".. BUT, does it though? Really.......

[@wtfox8206]

If only luna's howl was changed back to a 180

[@josemorales1562]

tell bungie to fix SECANT FILAMENTS to work on all warlock class like the new exotic.

[@KindDmoN]

Bungie: range finder has been too good for far too long and damn near mandatory on any weapon we put it on so we decided to blow its kneecap. Also bungie: heres keepaway rangefinders loved, spoiled and special younger brother

[@TrueVanguard]

Lol you’re not wrong

[@KindDmoN]

@@TrueVanguard my biggest gripe is that range finder was traditionally a 4th column and when a weapon had it on its 3rd column you knew it was going to do something quirky. Keepaway is primarily a 3rd column provides all the benefits of pre nerf range finder plus added reload speed so you can run extended mag for free with no drawback or tack on whatever else you like.

[@alex62965]

With this gun i find it hard to actually see the enemy while shooting, maybe its better on console with the aim stick stuff

[@Unbothered92]

Well since its a struggle getting the crota one, I’ll settle for its special ed cousin.

[@josecastrejon414]

Hummmm there’s something about this lobby @8:06 you telling me that warlock did not see you and you fallowed him halfway across the map whit out him turning back .?!?!?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 yeah ok …..

[@cheesycool]

hmm i shiuld try out my old one that i saved with rapid hit + zen moment

[@Arakamira]

180 hand cannon try not to be void challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@Bestow3000]

Its pretty much the Not Forgotten other than the awful sights and lower damage.

[@mylomelisande]

100% would've liked to have seen the return of Season of Dawn weapons instead of these.

[@CerberusPlusOne]

I can't get it to drop. :(