It Has No Business Being This Good in PVP - Optative Review

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True Vanguard

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@rushsoccer1355
@rushsoccer1355 10 ай бұрын
one thing that I love about these new Undying weapons is that with teammates, you never have to reload as the origin trait gives you like 2.5 times base mag so in a pinch, if you have a few stacks, you can just keep firing.
@davidgabrieltaylor
@davidgabrieltaylor 10 ай бұрын
Yeah the origin trait is awesome
@metakiogaming4529
@metakiogaming4529 10 ай бұрын
This was low-key a baller of a gun when it originally came out. Three taps galore back in the Luna's Howl meta, really caught a lot of other players off guard.
@lycceto
@lycceto 10 ай бұрын
I’ve been aiming for this because it’s one of the weapons that can roll Permeability/Golden Tricorn which is a really comfy PvE roll. The rapid-fire pulse this season gets it too, so does the lightweight bow, and the world drop auto! I actually have that roll on the auto rifle and it’s just nice being able to always use Golden Tricorn X 2
@Manstrual
@Manstrual 10 ай бұрын
Also a 2-tapper in pvp
@thecriticalyoutuber791
@thecriticalyoutuber791 10 ай бұрын
You should try Word of Crota with killing wind and sword logic. It is the best 180 and it can be crafted
@Flecco
@Flecco 10 ай бұрын
Word gets bonus points for audio. It sounds fantastic.
@GazBadger
@GazBadger 10 ай бұрын
I have one of these and I agree...its a beast
@darkenedhonor9446
@darkenedhonor9446 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately not everyone can raid, so having another decent choice is nice.
@chadmabe7069
@chadmabe7069 10 ай бұрын
Nope
@chadmabe7069
@chadmabe7069 10 ай бұрын
The time lost fate bringer is the best hand canon so is malfeasence
@DeamonPhenix
@DeamonPhenix 10 ай бұрын
I think the only 180 that would make me more excited to come back is West of Sunfall. Something about the model or whatever they added to them gives it punch. Trust is right there too.
@jedimike7622
@jedimike7622 10 ай бұрын
Trust is back, but you have to play Gambit again, lol. Not that I reset my rank like 5 times in Deep trying to get my god roll or anything...
@DeamonPhenix
@DeamonPhenix 10 ай бұрын
@@jedimike7622 I know Trust is back, was just including it in my top 180's (Cause technically it'd be West of Sunfall, Trust, Optative). I've got one with OS, EOTS, Accurized, Corkscrew and Range MW and it's great.
@jedimike7622
@jedimike7622 10 ай бұрын
@@DeamonPhenix ah, fair. I've gotten a couple that are decent, just not exactly my personal God roll. I'd love if it was craftable, as it's my favorite hand cannon overall: aesthetic, performance, feel...
@damiensmyth3404
@damiensmyth3404 10 ай бұрын
west of sunfall is my favourite legendary is destiny so gutted when it got sunset.
@user-yk1jr9qz8p
@user-yk1jr9qz8p 10 ай бұрын
This gun is the West of Sunfall but with leafs on it
@CrimsonYork
@CrimsonYork 10 ай бұрын
I put out a review on this a week ago, tons a fun with solar hunter, permeability and golden tricorn. Dodge, becomes solar, kill GTx1, knife kill GTx2, knife also makes you radiant with the one aspect idr atm, now you have 8 seconds of a 2 tapping 180. (9 res and lower) Yes I know trust does the same thing but this has 2 upsides. 1. Craftable with enhanced perks 2. No Gambit needed Love the weapon, love the vid.
@ArrowConductor
@ArrowConductor 10 ай бұрын
I used to have a really fast reloading optative with drop mag zen moment and outlaw, i accidentally deleted it, but its nice that its finally back
@lokilucario
@lokilucario 10 ай бұрын
I still have my og rapid hit kill clip optative from undying. I've always loved it. Makes me feel like I'm using my not forgotten again
@veralium
@veralium 10 ай бұрын
had that for ages, scrapped it back when my vault was getting tight. glad to see it around again :)
@fotis3v480
@fotis3v480 10 ай бұрын
Service revolver was the last thing that felt like NF for me. Good times.
@lar300
@lar300 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for another refreshing display of gunplay other than "what's hot right now". I genuinely appreciate your content and always look for it as a nice level-headed view at the state of the game.
@papaspaulding
@papaspaulding 10 ай бұрын
It's the only seasonal weapon I bothered to farm the patterns for. Although im an auto main I do really like 180's and this one feels nice. I have the patterns although still not got around to crafting one yet as been having too much fun with lethal abundance, got all of a damn long season to go though
@lokilucario
@lokilucario 10 ай бұрын
How do you get the engrams for it? I'm behind on the season so I haven't gotten any undying engrams to drop
@papaspaulding
@papaspaulding 10 ай бұрын
@@lokilucario You have to play the coil activity and open chests within it and then once you get one to drop you can focus it for engrams at the helm. I used the firefox extension also to go back over previous season passes to claim unused deepsight harmonizers to unlock the pattern
@lokilucario
@lokilucario 10 ай бұрын
@@papaspaulding gotcha thanks
@Brian-ch6hg
@Brian-ch6hg 10 ай бұрын
Looks crispy. Makes me want to bring out my OG Trust with rapid hit and firefly.
@GhostRyder2008
@GhostRyder2008 10 ай бұрын
I used to use West of Sunfall 7 and Optative all the time back in the day, so I'm really excited to start using Optative now :)
@GloverGaming3
@GloverGaming3 10 ай бұрын
I loved it when you chased down that guy in the Weavewalk. Dangerous move, though. I usually recommend not chasing a fleeing opponent because he usually runs back to his team for an ambush
@henram36
@henram36 10 ай бұрын
Back in the day, this gun actually put in some real work getting the headshots necessary to get Ace of Spades catalyst done.
@kurtnordli1381
@kurtnordli1381 10 ай бұрын
I wish we got the Black Armoury weapon set instead of the Undying Weapon set i miss my Kindled Orchid.
@GingerBeardMan977
@GingerBeardMan977 10 ай бұрын
the thing about 180 people dont see is when the range consolidation changed that happened let them get some love without bungie making it a massive announcement about em
@syd6654
@syd6654 10 ай бұрын
Re: posterity Posterity is also a raid weapon and iirc they generally have higher stats
@sora_2342
@sora_2342 10 ай бұрын
Golden tri and then varsity’s brow+magnetic grenade go back and forth from ohk grenades and high damage three taps is pretty fun
@josephmcgee6549
@josephmcgee6549 10 ай бұрын
I think the overgrown look on the weapons and seasonal armor from that season is still the best looking in the game
@xuhhhhh
@xuhhhhh 10 ай бұрын
you’re trippin
@DrStunJosh
@DrStunJosh 10 ай бұрын
What's sad (to me) is Frontier's Cry (fun gun) is the 180 with the BEST stats and it just has suboptimal PvP perks
@oddmaddox
@oddmaddox 10 ай бұрын
And it only comes from playing pvp
@religiousjedi
@religiousjedi 10 ай бұрын
After watching this, I finished getting the pattern and crafted it with the recommended perks. Took this leafy boi into Trials and it performed well for me!
@phillipchaplin7151
@phillipchaplin7151 10 ай бұрын
Was using was using it this morning, and it felt great, but assumed i was mental lol
@annamuller9457
@annamuller9457 10 ай бұрын
That ending... perfect❣️
@nebbie
@nebbie 7 ай бұрын
I actually hate the recoil of the 180s even though it’s less. It blocks so much of the screen
@ogLenas
@ogLenas 10 ай бұрын
Would have liked to hear about its strengths or weaknesses vs a direct competitor in the Word of Crota. Maybe I missed it.
@WaltzActual
@WaltzActual 10 ай бұрын
Synergies like the build craft for this handcannon keep legendaries interesting for me, good catch
@tylerprice7623
@tylerprice7623 10 ай бұрын
Optato for the sneak win! If i can manage to pull decently rolled Briar, I'll be excited to implement a crafted optato with those in a build.
@Helmsy_53Gaming
@Helmsy_53Gaming 10 ай бұрын
GG’s today, that thing cooked me a couple times in zone control! Looking forward to more matches 💪🏻
@australianeskimo853
@australianeskimo853 10 ай бұрын
I used this HC to get my Lunas and Not Forgotten in Comp as a new light not knowing any better. Loved my old one but glad I can have a non sunset roll.
@thegriefreportofficial
@thegriefreportofficial 10 ай бұрын
I got not forgotten using this weapon back in the day~
@bigteej8366
@bigteej8366 10 ай бұрын
I had an original one of these that I would catch people off guard with in the crucible. I was happy to see it come back. I might be the only one.😊
@finalfantasy1201
@finalfantasy1201 10 ай бұрын
I love 180 HC still. Hoping service revolver comes back too
@signi2443
@signi2443 10 ай бұрын
I was ranting to my clan about how dang GOOD Optative is, decided on a whim to try out a Rapid Hit/Kill Clip roll I got and it immediately floored me just how fun and usable it is. Immediately went to go craft it afterwards, it's got some secret sauce (probably the sights for me haha)!
@tenacity25
@tenacity25 10 ай бұрын
Kill clip is absolutely the play for pvp, because for a golden tricorn pvp 180, look to Trust. Solar build synergy with radiant and solar surge. Want to 2-tap on a 180? you can! sometimes. like once a match. but you can! edit: I recommend foetracer on a solar hunter for this with the 'radiant on melee hit' fragment btw. That way, you get surge and radiant on a melee hit, and tricorn x2 if its a kill and tricorn x1 is already up. So.. get radiant with a dodge, get a kill for x1 tricorn, get a melee kill however you can - maybe weaken them with a few shots first with a faster throwing knife or headshot with weighted knife, then get your melee back for the "melee kill while radiant" AND get tricorn x2, radiant, and solar surge active at the same time on a solar 180 hand cannon, 50% + 10% + 6%. You can easily 2-tap people to the head at 180rpm at that point.
@omnisighted5996
@omnisighted5996 10 ай бұрын
It was fun playing with you this morning gg
@kenpachi2607
@kenpachi2607 10 ай бұрын
This is really good, but getting use to this archetype after not using it since "Lunas howl" was hard.
@brandonmelchor8667
@brandonmelchor8667 10 ай бұрын
I'm guessing low resilience you could 2 body one head. Thats pretty cool!
@iLLeeTx1
@iLLeeTx1 10 ай бұрын
Glad you’re back Tv
@oinkwoof8378
@oinkwoof8378 10 ай бұрын
I shall give it a whirl when I get one. I appreciate the heads up!
@souldestroyer199
@souldestroyer199 10 ай бұрын
I love 180’s, they feel so good to use imo. I’ve always used Malf, even when it was trash. I just wish they would bring back the OG Lunas/NF. The changes killed those guns.
@lingus1382
@lingus1382 10 ай бұрын
I need to try this one out, the crafted round Robin with keep away + kill clip is one of my favorite guns ever and this seems like that but in a void 180
@flaredubbzy646
@flaredubbzy646 10 ай бұрын
I remember when these originally launched. Pepridge farms remembers too
@robertourrutia9119
@robertourrutia9119 10 ай бұрын
I craft a rapid hit - zen moment roll and it's great, is very fun to use.
@ShadowNemesis575
@ShadowNemesis575 10 ай бұрын
Thankyou. I'm not gunning for this one because I'm loving word of crota but I'm tired of the 180 slander.
@pmmcrobb
@pmmcrobb 10 ай бұрын
“Lackluster” feels like the common theme for most of the weapons in every season, for quite a while now.
@PixelleHearts
@PixelleHearts 10 ай бұрын
People forget how good the spam cannons were back during the Forsaken/Shadowkeep era.
@BrianMiles755
@BrianMiles755 10 ай бұрын
It remindes me a little bit of the Ikelos hand cannon. But it has rapid hit and golden trycorn, so this gun has better perks with kill clip and keep away.
@zero-fu1pq
@zero-fu1pq 10 ай бұрын
I was waiting for this review
@oinkwoof8378
@oinkwoof8378 10 ай бұрын
Also, loving the tunes in this one!
@themccman
@themccman 10 ай бұрын
I use to use this thing back when it first came out and 180s were even worse than they are now and I liked it then. Just weird bungie gave us two craftable void 180 HC back to back.
@maxbaxtraxgaming5378
@maxbaxtraxgaming5378 10 ай бұрын
180s are very consistent and the higher range ones can out range some 140s. Get a frontiers cry with iron reach and you will get full damage at ranges you wouldn't think. I call 180s my 2mm defeater
@craigells4151
@craigells4151 10 ай бұрын
I just got this roll, now I need to try it out 😊
@zPOBOYz
@zPOBOYz 10 ай бұрын
What roll did you get sir? I got one with smallbore, accurized rounds, keep away, kill clip haven't you'd yet
@rightful4973
@rightful4973 10 ай бұрын
I really want this with repulsor brace and golden tricorn. Specifically for a gyrfalcons hauberk hunter build
@TheSwayzeTrain
@TheSwayzeTrain 10 ай бұрын
This is technically the second time they recycled them. These were originally Curse of Osiris weapons that they stuck some leaves on.
@rbigg
@rbigg 10 ай бұрын
Will definitely try it out.
@MrTellus
@MrTellus 10 ай бұрын
Something has been changed when they updated for The Dawning. Hc is much better in pvp and the new auto from iron banner is already worse after just ONE week !!!
@m3tr0id86
@m3tr0id86 10 ай бұрын
Seriously I want to craft one with Rapid Hit and Kill Clip to fix the one Sunsetting broke. Sadly that was one I had to put down....
@omegapex
@omegapex 10 ай бұрын
I can't wait for them to add a *4th* craftable void 180 hc next content drop 🙏
@maxbaxtraxgaming5378
@maxbaxtraxgaming5378 10 ай бұрын
With feed the void devour is preferred on warlock.
@ashens0ul
@ashens0ul 10 ай бұрын
Watching this video makes me wish 180s felt better on mnk.
@guillermopacheco5005
@guillermopacheco5005 10 ай бұрын
Try the Ikelos 180 hand cannon . It’s my favorite
@gryphon123456
@gryphon123456 10 ай бұрын
Really wish they’d brought back West of Sunfall 7 instead. Much nicer looking, natural 100 recoil and cleaner sights.
@NoThru22
@NoThru22 10 ай бұрын
Did I miss the recommended barrel, mag and masterwork?
@ThePackman627
@ThePackman627 10 ай бұрын
Also compared to the other Void 180s that are craftable (ikelos, and Word of Crota) it has the highest range out of all of them
@U-Khan24
@U-Khan24 10 ай бұрын
I'd love to use this. If only I could get one to drop...
@Sam-pr9rr
@Sam-pr9rr 10 ай бұрын
Focus it at riven
@U-Khan24
@U-Khan24 10 ай бұрын
I still have to get it to drop first before I can focus it@@Sam-pr9rr
@petergutierrez8730
@petergutierrez8730 10 ай бұрын
Where do these drop? Is it the seasonal activity stuff?
@perrycarters3113
@perrycarters3113 10 ай бұрын
I only wish the Optative was prettier. I think I'd slap on Nothing Manacles personally, but suppressor nades can be very useful in PvP as well.
@KingofNewark
@KingofNewark 10 ай бұрын
Where does this thing drop? I've done Coil, Lairs and turned in engrams and not one has dropped.
@geminihero
@geminihero 10 ай бұрын
I have a question to you true Vanguard if you are a veteran player of this game and have a lot of guns some that are already Craftable, should I even bother to go after this gun?
@sjohnsontx7
@sjohnsontx7 10 ай бұрын
mr vanguard do you ever do pvp videos for 3v3? and why not? i think some builds u come up with would help in trials or comp. but i only see u play 6v6
@ALESAUR79
@ALESAUR79 10 ай бұрын
Resubbed. Back to quality destiny content. Missed it
@FeedbackYT
@FeedbackYT 10 ай бұрын
The competition here isn't against posterity, it's against Word of Crota, and it's not close.
@ssjronin3972
@ssjronin3972 10 ай бұрын
The operative is the best sleeper, I kept my original because it demands respect and always slayed for me.
@osi8644
@osi8644 10 ай бұрын
Optative repulsed brace kill clip Girfalcons Vanishing step stylish executioner Echo of harvest /starvation/persistence /vigilance Spec heavy into mobility and resilience
@MavicAVF
@MavicAVF 10 ай бұрын
How do you get we rans in this heavily sbmm matched game or is it just me
@thisguy709
@thisguy709 9 ай бұрын
If you wanna add a little razzle dazzle, put it on titan with one eyed mask 🤌🏼
@blakkermambaa
@blakkermambaa 10 ай бұрын
I've been liking 180's more lately but idk if I can take off Word of Crota for this one.
@jmoa5634
@jmoa5634 10 ай бұрын
This thing gives me PTSD, I used it originally to get Thorn back when.
@shaunjames5086
@shaunjames5086 10 ай бұрын
I used word of crota in destiny to get thorn originally
@Dredguno
@Dredguno 10 ай бұрын
isnt this gun the same as the ikelos hand cannon?
@reesejackson5935
@reesejackson5935 9 ай бұрын
180s have neen solid in 6v6 Survivors epitaph is great too
@pollyon
@pollyon 10 ай бұрын
nice, i prefer my epitaph though personally
@minigamer1967
@minigamer1967 10 ай бұрын
Do I need season pass to farm this?
@SpaghettiTop
@SpaghettiTop 10 ай бұрын
These wepons are BANGERS
@JeighNeither
@JeighNeither 10 ай бұрын
I had this same experience & I even had a pve 3rd column perk lol. I was ashamed to tell anyone tho...
@consolefragging9392
@consolefragging9392 10 ай бұрын
Maybe it would be good on the hunter too? There is that void exotic
@Sjbjo
@Sjbjo 10 ай бұрын
Thats a really good gun
@jokeis8684
@jokeis8684 10 ай бұрын
I love how this gun feels amazing and has good stats. Kill clip AND golden trycorn is actually pretty nice Meanwhile the smg is absolute garbage 💀💀💀
@KaPzLok
@KaPzLok 10 ай бұрын
But is it the "second comming"... If you put killing wind, and either kill clip or multi kill clip ... you're going to get the "discount" NOT FORGOTTEN... I believe there's only two 1 80s in the game that could run kill clip and killing wind .... But does it constitute as the second coming? ...
@KaPzLok
@KaPzLok 10 ай бұрын
Whenever there is a decent 180 hand canon... the first words you hear usually is"it's a 180 so it's garbage"... Or you have a "this feels like classic ,not forgotten".. BUT, does it though? Really.......
@wtfox8206
@wtfox8206 10 ай бұрын
If only luna's howl was changed back to a 180
@josemorales1562
@josemorales1562 10 ай бұрын
tell bungie to fix SECANT FILAMENTS to work on all warlock class like the new exotic.
@KindDmoN
@KindDmoN 10 ай бұрын
Bungie: range finder has been too good for far too long and damn near mandatory on any weapon we put it on so we decided to blow its kneecap. Also bungie: heres keepaway rangefinders loved, spoiled and special younger brother
@TrueVanguard
@TrueVanguard 10 ай бұрын
Lol you’re not wrong
@KindDmoN
@KindDmoN 10 ай бұрын
@@TrueVanguard my biggest gripe is that range finder was traditionally a 4th column and when a weapon had it on its 3rd column you knew it was going to do something quirky. Keepaway is primarily a 3rd column provides all the benefits of pre nerf range finder plus added reload speed so you can run extended mag for free with no drawback or tack on whatever else you like.
@alex62965
@alex62965 10 ай бұрын
With this gun i find it hard to actually see the enemy while shooting, maybe its better on console with the aim stick stuff
@Unbothered92
@Unbothered92 10 ай бұрын
Well since its a struggle getting the crota one, I’ll settle for its special ed cousin.
@josecastrejon414
@josecastrejon414 10 ай бұрын
Hummmm there’s something about this lobby @8:06 you telling me that warlock did not see you and you fallowed him halfway across the map whit out him turning back .?!?!?? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 yeah ok …..
@cheesycool
@cheesycool 10 ай бұрын
hmm i shiuld try out my old one that i saved with rapid hit + zen moment
@Arakamira
@Arakamira 10 ай бұрын
180 hand cannon try not to be void challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
@Bestow3000
@Bestow3000 10 ай бұрын
Its pretty much the Not Forgotten other than the awful sights and lower damage.
@mylomelisande
@mylomelisande 10 ай бұрын
100% would've liked to have seen the return of Season of Dawn weapons instead of these.
@CerberusPlusOne
@CerberusPlusOne 6 ай бұрын
I can't get it to drop. :(
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