IT IS INSANE WHAT EFFECTS WINTER HAS IN EU5!!!!!

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[@tmbrabantia6365]

The implications for Anbennar would be really cool. In the Lore, Centaurs invaded the Lake Federation during the winter over frozen ice and wrecked havoc.

[@Aquaria942]

If in Anbennar and the winter court country can spread eternal winter to across the world, I will give paradox all of my money

[@Lord_Lambert]

Holy shit this would be so cool

[@Clickificationist]

I like the way this makes areas with a lot of winter become inherently less productive than areas that have shorter/milder winters. More properly modelled differences like this rather than modifiers like “-30% construction: harsh winters” is always a win! I guess my ideal model would be some sort of seasonal temperature system, so instead of just modelling winters, it would allow effects to construction, etc for ridiculously hot areas

[@galdorofnihelm6798]

The coolest historical event about a battle on a frozen sea, is when the french cavalry won a naval battle against the Dutch navy, capturing the ships. One if the only few cases in history where cavalry won a naval engagement

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

Clearly Johan is Azor Ahai, the Prince That Was Promised

[@Lord_Lambert]

Johan Al-Gaib!

[@ok-lq6tv]

Battle on ice was between Livonians and Novgorod (Lead by St Alexander Nevsky)

[@prazzlerazzle5565]

also disputed whether or not they actually fought on the lake

[@ResandOuies]

This all sounds nice, but I do hope there's something similar for the oppressive heat/humidity of equatorial location too. It's not like these places are perfect places to grow food/work simply because it never snows there.

[@matthewbird1067]

Seems like the way "winter" is modelled through contagion would work great if you reflected it for heat. Could be interesting for tropical storms forming at sea too!

[@MattFerr100]

5:50 well in southern Europe they don't build neither in winter nor in summer

[@Lord_Lambert]

lmfao

[@connormurphy683]

common mediterranean W

[@theodorepinnock1517]

The Napoleonic battle on ice you were thinking of was the Battle of Austerlitz in 1805, considered Napoleon's greatest moment of tactical genius, and one of the most consequential battles of the entire Napoleonic Era, leading within the month to French victory over Austria in the War of the Third Coalition and the peace treaty which utterly neutered the Holy Roman Empire and directly caused Francis II to dissolve it in 1806.

[@jusu8961]

the battle of austerlitz was not fought on ice. this stupidity was spread by the absolutely awful new napoleon movie

[@theodorepinnock1517]

@@jusu8961 Incorrect. While the Napoleon movie's depiction of Austerlitz was heavily inaccurate and exaggerated this aspect, one part of the battle was on ice.

[@ELYELYELroy]

it would be cool if lets say you own a location on the opposite side of a mountain pass, and a severe winter closes the pass that the control level in the province on the other side would drop to near zero for the duration of the winter.

[@jacobsayler7828]

This is a good idea, you should propose thus ok the forums

[@safs3098]

Johan already confirmed that both sea and land blockage from winters will cause control to decrease. Not only that, he also confirmed that trade routes will also be affected by it, either finding a secondary open route or getting reduced trade flow

[@AlreadyDeath666]

This should also mean things like seasonal monsoons over the sea and seasonal trade winds can be a thing. Lots of fun stuff ahead.

[@McHobotheBobo]

9:54 I believe there was a Dutch or Spanish navy that got attacked by a cavalry charge across ice, though I don't recall the name of the battle

[@Lord_Lambert]

Den Helder incident, it was the Dutch being attacked by the French :)

[@grahamrich9956]

There was also a similar successful cavalry charge against a navy in the Spanish American independence wars, but I cannot remember any other details of it sadly

[@PalaiologosKomnenos]

There were also two ducth battles that happened on ice. The Battle on Skates in 1572 (located somewhere in the IJsselmeer (largest manmade lake of the netherlands) - here the dutch won against the Spanish by using iceskates and the capture of the dutch fleet by the french during the war of the first coalition in 1795, whereby a part of the dutch fleet was frozen in place by the severe winter.

[@andrewbrian7659]

Tangentally, I think that this makes map changing on zoom more likely (was already almost certainly a thing), just because they are going to want to show the seas frozen visually rather than making players click on every sea tile to check if it is currently frozen.

[@addminus6672]

I agree this is insane for a GSG to do and im all for it

[@joshuasims5421]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; my only complaint about EU5 is that every paradox game will not be EU5. Millennium Universalis, please!

[@felixfricke6069]

Greenland realy seems to be about survival....

[@RealPeoplePerson]

Finally, we can have a historically accurate depiction of Moses parting the Red Sea.

[@jonasolsen1415]

The Swedish army didn't cross the strait near Malmö but instead marched up through Jutland and island-hopped to Zealand, where the currents are weaker, allowing ice to form.

[@jonasolsen1415]

Should note that came from Germany, they were tired of fighting the poles or something

[@HGsAlt-pt5yw]

Is that Frostpunk music in the background? nice touch

[@Lord_Lambert]

It is indeed :)

[@brandonbeilbymcleod6546]

This is really cool that they're giving winter serious effects, in other Paradox titles like hearts of iron 4 winter is just a modifier that you don't even realize is there, the fact that it will fundamentally change the map and paths you can take I think is really cool and will make winter something players plan for and actively have to think about

[@PersonOfTheInternet280]

In Greenland they would sail north to harvest tusks and set a colony until next summer to bring it back down south.

[@Mundatorem]

0:55 You were right! The Saturday building ended up being granary!

[@benismann]

While it does sound heavy recalcing winter for every location every day, i think i heard the engine does lots of that kind of shit already anyways and that's why savefile sizes are so bloated. But maybe that was a lie and that is indeed really bad. Oh well Also that whole freezing thing, while cool, might be extremely annoying. I hope they'll have alerts or smth when your army goes through an ice that MIGHT melt soon or navy goes through waters that MIGHT freeze soon. And hopefully pathfinding accounts for that as well maybe somewhat

[@dv8tyler692]

I would really like to see the building screen tell you why the building is stalled. I understand looking at it and its mid January, oh yeah it's winter. But I assume buildings can stall due to at least material shortage as well. So it would be nice to just include that there. Perhaps it is and you have to hover over it? This is insane though. Also ahh yes I remember learning in history class. England and France were gearing up for a very long war... perhaps even a century long one. But a devastatingly brutal winter in 1341 froze the English channel and France marched across the channel and burned London to the ground, ending the war and unifying the two crowns under France. History be crazy.

[@benismann]

"I understand looking at it and its mid January, oh yeah it's winter. " Problem: southern hemisphere

[@Kaasga]

YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

[@Old_Sealand]

Wow.

[@blitcut9712]

Wow.

[@masau8672]

Wow.

[@joshuasims5421]

Wow.

[@Lord_Lambert]

Wow.

[@haukionkannel]

Of course seas can freeze! Did happen during ww2 that there were attacks across frozen sea areas!

[@Aarlaeoss]

Anbennar Eordand ice witch gonna freeze over everyone in severe winter

[@Aarlaeoss]

Considering marching lowers morale I imagine the terrain should impact that. Marching sucks but marching in a mountain is worse. Marching over ice I imagine would lower morale similarly more than marching over fair meadow grassland.

[@redbeard5939]

All these features keep sounding amazing. I will admit that I am a bit concerned that-- much like the ai gets attrition free ocean travel in EU4-- the worst winter effects might only target players. I do, however, trust that the team will do their best to minimize that kind of thing.

[@TheMaginor]

I think that winter calculation is going to be very fast compared to everything else the game does, and you wouldn't even notice a speed difference if you turned it off. A modern computer can iterate over an array of 25000 elements and do some simple math or logic operations on each much faster than a millisecond. The logic for this can't be very complicated. You can also assume there are some quick early escapes like "is it summer?" or "is it tropical?" that skips some of the other logic. What I think probably scales much worse with the amount of provinces are all the pops and buildings (multiple per province), their consumption, results if they are not satisfied, and resulting market imports/exports, even if it is recomputed on a longer time scale (I don't remember what they said about it), and even that they say runs fine.

[@wrjtung3456]

8:28 it was the Livonians versus the novogrodians

[@yaroslavbabets1393]

Not EU5. It will be called FROSTPUNK 3

[@Eruntano42]

3:52 It snows in some parts Syria in the winter.

[@CameronAB122]

Imagine restoring Aeletir(spelling?) in Anbennar

[@Dunkerque351]

Nortiochand in Anbennar or really just the Broken Sea area is perfect for this

[@kesorangutan6170]

I just want this game to simulate humans turning lots of places into farmlands. Hopefully, we will see some "shocking" features next week too :D

[@luizarthurbrito]

It's been hard not to get excited. Paradox has turned me into a cynical regarding their games, but I'm getting my hopes up little by little.

[@Aarlaeoss]

Johan took innovative ideas

[@michaelking252]

this mechanic is relay cool

[@Bawhoppen]

I like the blind reactions way more. That's the reason I watch you versus the other people.

[@randomperson6988]

I wonder if this forces you to play on slower speeds if you are playing in the north. I feel like if it’s like playing at speed 4 in eu4 the winter system could just be annoying and hard to work with

[@Nifalh]

So in EUV Anbennar mages can cast blizzard over strait to make passage

[@vargadaniel8555]

Comment for the dopamine gods

[@Ericshadowblade]

Sea freezes between denmark and sweden. Danish grab sticks enmass

[@Lord_Lambert]

"Jeg er i fare..."

[@whydoievenbother5405]

curious how the harsh winters will effect nations like Georgia or Switzerland

[@basvriese1934]

Very importantly, imo autumn is definitely the worst season, it has all the downsides of winter, too cold, too wet, depressively short days, but none of the fun stuff like festivities and snow and ice

[@tranium67]

Fall is my favourite😒

[@Lord_Lambert]

Autumn is the best season and 2nd place aint close

[@basvriese1934]

@@Lord_Lambert well I guess it also depends quite a bit on where you live, but where I live it's just wet and sad

[@jacobsayler7828]

I hope this doesnt lead to Mediterranean europe having a perma-buff advantage over the temperate regions in central and western europe. I wonder how technology in particular may effect this. Intensive agriculture, better building methods like red bricks and chimneystacks, etc. May negate some of the harsher effects. Additionally, I'd hope to see the inverse of thus feature modeled in equatorial regions of the world, where heatwaves can be so oppresively hot as to prevent any safe labor outdoors.

[@Shayrin2]

Why would you hope so ? Of course Italy is massively advantaged compared to Sweden. There's a reason human civilization sprung up accros a narrow strip of the Earth, from Central America to the Yellow River.

[@RK-cj4oc]

Uhuh, and look at them now.​@@Shayrin2

[@jacobsayler7828]

@Shayrin2 perhaps in the time period before this game. After the end of the Renaissance productivity in Central in Northern Europe spiked with various inventions, introductions of new crops better suited to cold environments, etc. At the beginning of the game time the most productive per capita regions are italy and central China (if I recall correctly) and by game end it is most certainly Britain, Northern France and the Low Countries.

[@LaLaLoaded]

Will they add earthquakes and events like drought, tornado's and floods

[@jasonyun1158]

If an army is walking on ice and you had a navy that got stuck, could the army engage the stuck navy? 🤨

[@roach590]

>winter >most hated of all seasons I LOVE WINTER!!!!

[@overpredor3412]

No hot effects in hot regions?? It should also decrease food and cause attrition,

[@Gurbuyten1146]

Nice video dude!

[@ResandOuies]

No TT next week 😢

[@Lord_Lambert]

:sob:

[@theodorepinnock1517]

Wait a minute, are you listening to the Frostpunk soundtrack!?

[@Lord_Lambert]

Fitting, no? :P

[@TypeIce]

noooo.... why reading them beforehand... i preferred the surprise moments...

[@prazzlerazzle5565]

summer is the worst truly

[@somedesertdude1308]

there is snow in syria at winters tho lol

[@ResandOuies]

zero food? You can still hunt wild game and do some fishing in winter, no?

[@RK-cj4oc]

Europe is way to populated by the start date to sustain its population with that. It still happend during famine years of course. But it cannot provide anywhere near food security.

[@trevdestroyer8209]

Good luck feeding a million people by fish and rabbits and maybe some deer

[@OtherSideOfMorning]

They wanted to do frozen seas in eu4. I guess they couldn't make it work (well) at the time. Still not a big fan of it to be honest

[@somedesertdude1308]

game of thrones is dog shit tho

[@Lord_Lambert]

First 4 seasons of the show are great. 5 is woeful garbage, slightly better in 6, worse again in 7, 8 is a travesty.

[@Sfu1751]

I wonder about the toxic foreign policy of the UK and USA and NATO 😂😂😂😂

[@Lord_Lambert]

Wonder all you like. Neither of those countries is currently engaging in an imperialist conquest and genocide. Slava Ukraini.

[@soberman1520]

And why is that related to this video I may ask

[@redbeard5939]

​@@soberman1520brief mention of Russian foreign policy will undoubtedly bring out the Russian trolls and the immature who believe that playing devil's advocate is a personality

[@matthewbird1067]

Look some of us are Texan natives who believe in our independence and superpower status thanks to our warm water port 💪

[@soberman1520]

@@redbeard5939 oh sorry I didn't know he mentioned it