It's All About The (NEW) Launch Dates - The Flame Trench

Join us for "The Flame Trench".
The Flame Trench is the new name of our weekly, 5PM Friday show, where we discuss all the recent space news, and developments of the space industry.
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[@finisher829]

Kevin we love your commitment to my baby Ship 26! It's okay to be different, you know lol

[@HowBoutDemBoyzz]

Good stream, funny and informative. Not sure what all the hate is about

[@robnobert]

One of the best streams in a while. And the only one I've watched all the way through in months. 👍 Great stream! I totally understand sometimes you've got lots of technical stuff to talk about but there's no reason EVERY stream should be that way and there's NEVER a reason to listen the haters.

[@nabormendonca5742]

Are you a bot or paid commenter? It sure sounds like that.

[@HowBoutDemBoyzz]

@@nabormendonca5742 it does read like that a little. It's missing the emoji's and links in bio

[@curtiswfranks]

Can NSF do more Rocket Lab coverage? I want to learn more about them. They have an impressive launch-cadence by any sane standards but somehow do not ever seem to get the love or hate of other launch providers.

[@Mike-tv9rk]

Loved the UK footage of the Engine tests in shetland. Its not a UK launch site without a High Vis Jacket on the back of a chair! 😂

[@zapfanzapfan]

Reading assignment: Ignition, by John D. Clark. Foreword by Asimov. Yes, THAT, Asimov!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i click as i move?

[@markotto4281]

Bought my copy over a year ago when Scott Manley recommended it. A great read for sure.

[@gauravmukherjee2678]

If anyone is wondering the song name is " feel the love - vicki vox"

[@DH-sw6vg]

OMG the intro fluff is sooooo long!

[@curtiswfranks]

Starliner scares me so much.

[@curtiswfranks]

I want it to succeed and do not hate on it. But it does scare me. Y'all have made me more comfortable with its current state, though. More rockets, more better.

[@Mike-tv9rk]

EJ is all eyes. Ive never seen such animated eyes and brows.....Except maybe on Grommet😮😮.

[@curtiswfranks]

I miss the belly-flops and flip-and-burns. I am glad that Starship is bringing those back. If the hot-staging ring is jettisoned, does that mean that Starship will not be fully reusable and will have extended turn-around time? Also, why? CoM issue? [Edit: Asked and answered]

[@arnoldsmith5754]

normal very good stream even though i missed the live one

[@Mike-tv9rk]

The UK site is at a latitude that will save fuel when putting payloads into a polar orbit. Less velocity to scrub off to get there!

[@tonyrusi1978]

I’d like more updates from Stoke Space!

[@curtiswfranks]

Where can we get the IFT-4 mission timeline and objectives?

[@Mike-tv9rk]

Bideford is pronounced Bid- eh-ford. Its also another town in the UK like Leicester. Almost all of your towns and cities are named after British ones. Look at a British road map. Your mind will be blown😮

[@Grandwigg]

Although it's a shame I can rarely catch this live, I'm reallyenjoying the Flame Trench. It's nice to see the range of opinions on these options (EJ makes a very good devil's advocate). And while it's in the nature of an unscripted discussion to go of the rails at times, it's surprising how much I've found myself fully invested in these side trails. Between the wealth of information we get about these flights to the observation and research they do, there's so much to talk about for sure.

[@Strakin]

"They all had parachute issues". "Its one company which does all the parachutes"......

[@curtiswfranks]

Can we get a running list of Trevor recs?

[@fredglesener3283]

Could it be inducing roll?

[@Mike-tv9rk]

Listen to the "13 minutes to the moon" podcast series 2. Its a BBC podcast and will explain every moment of the Apollo13 mission. There are also a ton of interviews and docs on youtube

[@jp24-dj9zx]

What are the physics books you would recommend?

[@Midcon77]

46:20 I disagree. Boeing is a for-profit company, not making a profit right now - especially on Starliner. Yes it's not costing NASA anything - yet. At some point Boeing shareholders will have had enough and force them to pull the plug on a design that's just too compromised for HSF. Then what? What's the backup if Starliner completely fails? A modified Orion? BO coming up with an alternative? Starship is a quasi-alternative in that it's a separate platform so there's redundance there, but you're still single-sourcing the manufacturer in SpaceX. IMO NASA would be best served spinning up a competition for one more vehicle design that Starliner would need to compete against. I'm sorry, but Boeing has lost my trust and while I'd be fine seeing Starliner as a cargo craft to ISS, Apollo 1 is the first thing I think about when I think Starliner.

[@basbekjenl]

My bet is on dreamchaser, if NASA needs an alternative crew rated vehicle to go to low earth orbit the dreamchaser would probably be the best alternative as a previous candidate for the program that has slowly been developing even though they weren't selected for the program. Dreamchaser is so cool, I really want them to succeed. A couple more months for their first flight hopefully.

[@robertsunde7973]

Star liner is a boondoggle and not worth further investment. In fact, NASA should get as much back as they can. Sierra Space is the better option.

[@BenD3D]

57:31 to 59:00 you should clip that and make a utube short , was funny

[@BrianMoore-tc2xe]

Ya Need a Pun Gong.

[@corrinastanley125]

Thanks NSF team, another fun stream. And I really like that they all have a different vibe, it really is a something for everyone channel.

[@nabormendonca5742]

Are you a bot or paid commenter? It sure sounds like that.

[@corrinastanley125]

@@nabormendonca5742 hey please dont be rude. I love the joking and banter from this crew. Every host brings their own personality to this channel and I'm here for it.

[@okgougou5426]

Ship 26 is bald, so is Jack B. Cannot understand why they are not friend. (Others just follow without thinking).

[@toowindytoskydive]

Surely that should be the Water Deluge System not the Flame Trench? 🙂

[@duanenelson825]

He who packs the chute.

[@1fastal1]

26 might be a fuel barge to be left floating in space awaiting a starship to pass.

[@mortenmlbjerglund772]

October Sky and what other movie? Jack says it so darned fast, I didn't catch it

[@Grandwigg]

I think they mentioned The Hunt for Red October, even though it's not precisely a rocket movie (although missile were a factor). There may have been another, though .

[@Exalerion]

Trevor, the UK is still located in Europe lol...

[@ggApollo]

Yeah I think he was mistaking the European union for Europe lmao

[@Exalerion]

@@ggApollo yeah lol

[@trevorsesnic8162]

@@Exalerion I am very good with geography I swear. But yeah, I was more thinking EU haha

[@Exalerion]

@@trevorsesnic8162 Haha yeah, I figured as much.

[@cryptogenesistv9932]

Yes, lots of cheese, excellent

[@86FxBdyCpe]

So Hermie the dentist did make it off misfit island.

[@jamescobban857]

Every time anybody on any related thread asks that NASA cancel StarLiner I explain that: 1. It would actually *cost* NASA money, because they would have to *buy* six more flights from SpaceX or SierraSpace. 2. SpaceX already *assumes* that they will not be called upon to fly those six flights, because otherwise they would have needed to build another Crew Dragon. 3. *IF* NASA cancelled Starliner they would be *punished* financially by Congress, just as they would be *punished* if they cancelled SLS. Remember that it is not *NASA's* money that is being spent, it is the *taxpayers'* money, and the taxpayers have trusted the village idiots club on Capitol Hill with the management of their money despite the fact that demonstrably nobody on Capitol Hill can count past ten without taking their shoes off! If you disagree with how Congress is spending *your* money then vote for *anybody* but the incumbents this November!

[@markw6509]

Boo to no Gif’s at the end of the

[@robertsunde7973]

Wrong, you don’t know what you don’t know. That’s why you don’t launch with a leaky valve on a test flight. 20 year veteran aircraft mechanic here.

[@user-rz4wz4my1f]

You guys are So Boooorrrinng

[@biffpope9750]

What was the title of Sawyer's second movie challenge about 40 mins in??? Clay and ???

[@WilboBaggins-dm7ub]

So lovely

[@juancho71]

Before I put my 2 cents on the Starliner controversy, I thank you all for an amazing job . EJ ? I think, 1° this is not just about the leek is the sum of all the issues that continue to pile up and 2°- Throwing shade on SpaceX saing that Dragon had leeks, pathetic Dragon is operative and Starliner is not even close... the hole picture looks fucked up not just one event. And to top it all up, if Starliner finally gets to fly, it is gonna be 35 million dollars over the cost of Dragon. Why??

[@SteveWindsurf]

Star-yawner, I may watch the volcan booster landing, then work to pay my taxes.

[@royaldust]

Why can’t S26 just be how expendable tankers look and leave it be😂

[@BobTaile]

Yap, YAp, YAP! And More Yap, YAp, YAP!

[@ThanosSustainable]

This Boeing-loving, gas-powered-lawnmower guy kind of gets into… never mind.

[@robertclark1755]

I am getting tired of the negative nonsense. You wanting to compete with the worst out there.

[@mjomalleyfl]

This team is not my cup of tea. Thanks to Trevor for the professionalism. Otherwise, puns and juvenile laughter, chat session recaps, and merchandising. I'll wait for Ryan Weber, Arian Beil and Trevor Sesnic, or a scripted podcast. NSF Channel, thank you for the varied coverage.

[@robnobert]

Your comment is not my cup of tea. It was a totally pointless comment devoid of any meaningful time spent. You've added nothing whatsoever to the conversation, making you a hypocrite, and worse you will ironically notice these same qualities in my comment - though fail to understand it as a mirror example of your behavior. Thank you for your opinion.

[@kuldar]

@@robnobert No critisism allowed on this channel? Cool, cool, cool.

[@atemoc]

This is the Flame Trench. It is meant to be (mostly) unscripted and light-hearted. The name was deliberately picked for that reason. NSF has plenty of much more "professional" content on the channel.

[@user-mu2xu9kp9r]

I’m a fan of the concept, it’s just EJ. I can’t bring myself to like the guy, which is a shame. I’m sure I’m in the minority, still best YT channel I know of!

[@mjomalleyfl]

@atemoc Good points. I should have used an amiable tone. NSF is a great channel with deep talent. They have various content for everyone.

[@HoboMRMc]

cringe

[@DebraJean196]

Don’t like TWIS and FlameTrench on same day. Spread out the fun a little guys @NASASpaceflight