It's Not All About AD 70 or the End of the World - Gary DeMar (2023 Conference)

There is a tendency among prophecy writers and thinkers (who have not spent time in the exegetical trenches) to shoehorn every possible verse in defense of their position. This is done by dispensationalists and preterists of all types. As a result, both positions emphasize events that are outside our historical context.
This lecture was presented at the 2023 Spring Bible Conference held by Berean Bible Church each year in late April. Keep an eye on our main website for details, and/or sign up to our mailing list to get updates when the conference gets close.
Delivered 04/29/2023 - Gary DeMar - Berean Bible Church - www.bereanbiblechurch.org
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[@christianmichael8]

Your alright in my book brother Gary. Your handling these attacks like a true gentleman. Blessings to you.

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

He is alright with you because like this false teacher, you too are Biblically illiterate. Repent!

[@grantstorms79]

Love Gary DeMar...and you're welcomed into full preterism brother...we all love you!

[@janmarino1732]

Gary has spoken at FP conferences for years, has never called FPs “heretics” but only continues to study and seek answers. Listen to his podcast to discover what he thinks.

[@boardwalkbw7130]

What is "FP"?

[@Kenneth-nVA]

Full preterism

[@vfs148]

After studying preterism for the last year or so, I have settled on the partial preterist view for the following reasons. 1. 1 Cor 15:25-26 says that Christ will reign until all enemies have been put under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. The fact that there is still physical death as well as spiritual death (people are still born with an inherent sinful nature) tells me that death has not been destroyed yet. This leads to point #2. Christ is still reigning now. We are in the millennium now. I cannot adhere to a FP view that believes that the millennium was a short period of 40 years which is called a generation by Jesus. Third, Satan is still here wreaking havoc. Evil still exists and at the very least, he is still seeking whom he may devour and trying to deceive the church with false teachings, etc. These are unfulfilled and tells me that Jesus still has to return to deliver the kingdom up to God.

[@monew632]

Wonderfully put and Amen!

[@danielyoung7727]

So you think the subjugation of death requires the end of natural history? When/how does Paul, in 1 Cor 15, say that death would have been defeated?

[@danielyoung7727]

Oh, have you read THE PAROUSIA, by J.S. Russell? It is a very convincing full preterist exposition.

[@SavedByTheBloodOfChrist551]

That makes the most sense and is more Biblical than the FP view which is heresy.

[@vfs148]

@@danielyoung7727 Yes, I have read it. And here is another reason why I cannot subscribe to FP theory. I have posed this question to several FP including Gary DeMar, Zach Davies, and Mike Sullivan. To date, none have answered the question. The temple was destroyed in 70AD. FP say that all was fulfilled including Christ's final return along with the final resurrection. That being the case, we know that the disciple John lived to at least 95AD or longer. That's 25 years after the temple was destroyed. Yet, there is not one written or verbal acknowledgement of this major event by John in that time frame where he says that Jesus returned and the resurrection occurred, Additionally, John's disciples, Polycarp and Ignatius, in their writings and teachings, never mentioned that Jesus returned in 70AD, and in fact, both believed that Jesus' return was still future to them. If that's what they believed, then why didn't John correct them and tell them, so that they could tell us that Jesus returned in 70AD?" Keep in mind that Polycarp was about a year old when the temple was destroyed and Ignatius was about 35. These are two of the most esteemed early church fathers and both knew John. As I said, I still have not received an answer to that question from any FP.

[@jeffreytorres1001]

Love Gary and his work…absolutely amazing. He knows more about eschatology in his pinky than I do in totality. That said, right at the end, he seems to take a shot at Doug Wilson and his people by stating he doesn’t want someone to take clips of what he says on video and cut it up, (my words). He seems to be saying that Doug would do something like that and that’s quite the thing to say about a brother who has never done anything like that. That’s wrong.

[@dfkuz]

Personally I have come to see that Israel’s prophecy/kingdom has not been postponed by an interruption; it’s been canceled completely! Salvation went from being a corporate (all Israel) salvation to being salvation on an individual, non-preferential basis: faith.

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

Correct, Israel is completely out of the picture. These people do not at all understand the Bible. They are a heretical cult.

[@yesnomaybeso5755]

Sincerely I cannot comprehend what would lead you to that conclusion. The scriptures seem clear that the promises to Israel are fulfilled in Christ Jesus alone. They have not been canceled. Those who rejected the covenant of the Lord Jesus Christ were cut off from the promises. Gentiles and first century Jews are the true Israel of God and only they can enjoy the covenantal promises of God in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the True Vine of Israel.

[@yesnomaybeso5755]

Could you give me a brief summary of what it is you mean by your comment? I would like to try and understand your position on this matter. Maybe you can make a point I’ve never heard or considered before.

[@georgechristiansen6785]

Salvation was always based upon faith. Read Hebrews 11 and the first few chapters of Romans.. God certainly dealt with Israel corporately in certain ways, but their salvation wasn't corporate.

[@dfkuz]

@yesno…. My iPhone is acting up here on vacation in Wisconsin Dells; sorry that I can’t reply directly to your comment. Israel is the covenant breaker, not God. They rejected the only One that could fulfill the covenant promises so they are no longer owed anything by God, who inspired Paul to write in Roman’s that “all Israel shall be saved, which sounds pretty corporate to me, but because salvation then became an individual issue, those faithful Israelites and others aligned with Israel will have a place reserved for them in the kingdom of God’s dear Son (notice it’s not Israel’s kingdom) of Colossians 1:13 KJV. Being free of his covenant with Israel made it possible for him to change the parameters of salvation to include those that had never before been offered a future beyond this physical life. If you think of the end of Acts as the end of the world that God had mapped out for himself and his bride, Israel; then the idea of a different world beginning when God could have and definitely had the right to end the world when his bride refused him. But instead, to our great benefit, God began another plan that made a way that he could commune with the humans that do love him in the world restored to its pre-fall glory due to the payment for all sin that his Son made with his own blood. It’s the perfect and equitable solution that is fair for both God and humanity.

[@rocketmanshawn]

Asking for a single verse that says it all reminds me of modalists inquiring about the Trinity.

[@AlSwearengen4]

He's asking for a single verse that says any of it.

[@annchovey2089]

Somebody help me out. What is Ken Gentry disagreeing with Gary about?

[@gloriablair1978]

I'm enjoying this teaching but I sure enjoyed reading Matthew Henry Commentary on Mark 13, Luke 21.I realized how important these chapters are on Lord Jesus predicting the fall of Jerusalem and the temple. It caused me to wonder why hardly any teaching of end times brings this up. These events really happened they were part of history. I do realize that God Almighty has only one group of people the elected of God. No favorites of God plain and simple.

[@user-ds2ej3wn8p]

There is no earthly reign of Christ. John Nelson Darby falsely taught that there is. John Nelson Darby also falsely taught that the Jews are still God's people. The fact is that the Jews are ended as a nation, there is no nation of Israel, and the new testament nowhere teaches that Israel would be a nation again. John Nelson Darby was responsible for the false teaching of a rapture, nowhere taught in the new testament. John Nelson Darby's heretical rapture theology reverses the order found in 2 Thessalonians that the dead in Christ must be raised first.

[@dennisschilling9218]

It just blows my mind to hear biblical "scholars" arguing against the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to judge the earth. How sad.

[@dfkuz]

What's to judge? People are either believers with faith in the Father and/or the Son -- or not. God knows them that are his and he also knows that his Son paid the sin debt of the entire human race! No judge will punish the same crime twice.

[@Ephesians-rz7zp]

Glad Gary isn’t backing down. I was partial preterist for a while but the inconsistencies started to become apparent. Full Preterism is the way to go. The whole Bible is about Gods covenant and Israel’s eschatology.

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

You are completely blind, lost, and deceived. Repent, and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.

[@Ephesians-rz7zp]

@@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed Repent of what? Lol

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

@@Ephesians-rz7zp ,...Repent of your fake christianity, repent of being totally lost and deceived. Repent of your heresy, repent being snared into an ungodly manmade cult. You will not be laughing on judgement day. When Jesus does make his one and only return on Judgement day, your laughing will turn to weeping and gnashing of teeth. Again,....Repent!

[@Ephesians-rz7zp]

@@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed Lol. I thought salvation was grace through faith? Are you adding to the gospel now? God is going to judge us on our eschatological understanding 😂 what a joke.

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

@@Ephesians-rz7zp ,...What is a joke and 100% manmade fraud is your christianity. You know nothing of what salvation by grace through faith means. You are completely spiritually dead and blind. Everything you understand/believe is Biblically incorrect. Again,...You will not be laughing on judgement day. When Jesus does make his one and only return on Judgement day, your laughing will turn to weeping and gnashing of teeth. Repent!

[@joshnelson3344]

Dispensationalism, even with all of its errors, still “gets a pass” (not considered heresy) because it affirms the physical return of Christ, the final judgement, the resurrection of the dead and the eternal state. Those are core elements of the faith.

[@Powerslave-gi7nx]

Correct, but only if you don't fall by the wayside on the way - as only he who endures to the end will be saved. If you believe Dispensationalism you WILL fall because you WILL receive the imposter nation and the imposter Holy Spirit (which have already arrived and are being received by the church) and YOU WILL receive the imposter Messiah when he appears. If you don't fall for them you won't be a dispensationalist. Think deeply about it.

[@godisreality7014]

Dispensationalism accommodates Esau as the rightful owner of the birthright, which is a lie from the pit of hell, because he STOLE it from Jacob-Israel on the blood of his children and "the church" will never tell you the truth. (Obadiah, Ezekiel 35, 36 and Amos 1 for example).

[@dennisschilling9218]

Not hearing any biblical support for your pronouncement just conjecture. ​@@Powerslave-gi7nx

[@dennisschilling9218]

Even opponents admit that if you interpret the word of God literally, you will affirm dispensationalism. That's where my heart is. I never hear dispensationalists calling preterists heretics, only the other way. You need to check your own hearts.

[@godisreality7014]

@@dennisschilling9218 God does not change. He made a promise and is going about keeping it. It is not about "the jews" who are Esau, or about "the church", which is satanic. It is about the individual believer who cries out to God for salvation. God is ever the same, it is mankind who wants to and thinks he can, change Him.

[@annchovey2089]

With the Israeli events of this past weekend (10/07/23), the dispensationalists are going crazy.

[@MrPvdb]

That's for sure!

[@AlSwearengen4]

Paragliding go carts breached the most secure border in history 🙄

[@larrymcclain8874]

And yes, Israel has not yet repented for rejecting Jesus as Messiah, and thus the punishment in Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 is still in tact. Thus hundreds assemble at the Wailing Wall on a continuous basis, all in futility, because the Dome of the Rock still stands as a testimony to the judgement of God.

[@exegeticaleschatology]

Notice Gary DeMar doesn't say the second i.e. final coming occurred in AD 70. Because he doesn't believe the consummation occured then. He still believes in a finality, a final coming, consummation of all things. He is a full preterist in the same sense David Chilton was, when he wrote his books. Gary is not a Full Preterist in the same sense as most full preterists.

[@JR-rs5qs]

This is where I'm at, too. We need a new label.

[@janinewatson3208]

Yep!

[@godisreality7014]

We are obviously not living in the new heavens and the new earth. In fact, the killer of Messiah, Esau, is still waiting for his false god, "moshiach", the man of sin. (2 Thess 2)

[@sishrac]

@@JR-rs5qs I adhere to covenant eschatology but I do not identify with the Preterist movement that relies on carnal senses and intellect to decipher the scriptures thereby denouncing the power of the Holy Spirit in leading and revealing the mind of God to individuals in the new covenant age. So NO, we don't need another label besides being called Christians.

[@JR-rs5qs]

@@godisreality7014 then you need to read Isa 65 & 66 over again. The NH&NE are not the eternal state.

[@tonyfluertynaturephotograp5272]

My question would be if Gary is not a FP, yet correctly understands that the Bible does indeed speak of only one second coming as described in Mat 24, then he must also accept all the descriptions of those events in Mat 24 which includes verse 31 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. If he is consistent this is a slam duck as Paul wrote about the the live saints saints being caught up into the air to meet the dead saints and to be with the Lord forever.

[@BereanBibleChurch]

Gary has a whole video series out on Matthew 24 from 2005, and he does NOT divide the chapter like some do. He says it is all speaking about the one AD70 event.

[@tonyfluertynaturephotograp5272]

@@BereanBibleChurch Then he should follow his convictions through to the logical end. The descriptions of the events are unmistakable. Mat 24 is not just about the judgement on Israel but also the justification and full redemption of the saints that suffered under the hands of the jewish leaders and those who choose to do their bidding.

[@godisreality7014]

@@BereanBibleChurch Jerusalen was sacked by Edomite "jews". Psalm 137, Ezekiel 35.10, Obadiah.

[@godisreality7014]

@@tonyfluertynaturephotograp5272 "Jews" are Esau. Their noahhides will be forced on the world soon, in particular upon the children of Jacob-Israel, whom Esau calls both "gentile" and "Goyim".

[@sishrac]

The problem with the FP is although they are correct in their eschatology, as a movement they have other false teachings that are not aligned with Scripture.

[@johornbuckle5272]

Lots of plain sense here. The last sentence of the video says it all

[@AVoiceCryingInTheWildern-vt6ed]

There is zero Biblical sense to preterism. It is false manmade unbiblical teaching.

[@Watchman-At-The-Gate]

there is such a thing as Magic/ Magik... it is done by Fallen Angels and devils/ unclean spirits. Exodus 7:11 “Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.”

[@MorrisonLee-wt2jp]

It is only reasonable to ask for Bible evidence for Bible beliefs. That Gary has been pressured by 'friends' to stop asking for bible evidence, is asking a man to believe uninspired human-traditions. Morry Australia

[@user-ds2ej3wn8p]

Dr Martin Luther knew all of this and taught it

[@michaelsuttie3960]

Not quite sure about this, but is Gary Demar a full preterist now!?

[@TheGardenMission]

I was wondering the same thing.

[@georgemichelle31]

Me to

[@BereanBibleChurch]

He's never claimed to be, and in actuality, when we asked him to speak at our conference, he commented something along the lines of "You understand I'm not a full preterist, right?"

[@NathanEllery]

No. He's been quite clear that he is not despite the many lies told by supposedly good people.

[@gc1438]

@@royalpriest2696 No matter. More importantly, he sees the inconsistencies in the partial preterist hermeneutics. So if they’re incorrect… 🤔

[@elizabethrados8525]

A thought on the "boiling a kid in it's mother's milk." This passage describes the three feasts which men were to appear in Jerusalem, not empty-handed, with their offerings from the abundant fruit of their labors. The instruction that the blood of their sacrifice was not to be offered with leavened bread, (likened to sin) is like offering the sin sacrifice topped with sin. The fat was to be burned up. The fat represents the blessing of the land and is never to be eaten., it is a sweet aroma to Yah. The milk of the flock is another metaphor for the abundance of the land. (See Dt. 32:13-15) I think all these represent the respect Yahuah is due for the fruitful land, fruitful womb. (See the blessings and cursings in Dt. 28, especially verses 4, 5, 8, 11 & 12. His covenant guaranteed His blessing for their obedience, and the response to Him would be following the instructions with respect. But Jeshurun got fat! They didn't acknowledge that all the goodness and abundance came from YHWH only.

[@pelayanjpa7086]

Jeremiah 31:35 This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar - the LORD Almighty is his name: Jeremiah 31:36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will Israel ever cease being a nation before me."

[@godisreality7014]

Israel is scattered. Jeremiah 31, Ezekiel 11.17.

[@sishrac]

Those words in Jeremiah 31: 36 are true because of God's faithfulness but the nation of Israel was not faithful to God so He did scatter them into the nations and then gathered them again as Gentiles (not My people) together with the believing Jews into the true Israel of God, which is Jesus Christ, the King of God's Kingdom.

[@godisreality7014]

@@sishrac "jews" are Esau, who has always known who he is. Jacob-Israel by and large still has no idea that japtheth is still dwelling in the tents of Shem. The two sticks prophecy of Ezekiel 17 and Isaiah 11 was fulfilled in part in John 12.20-24. Those who hate the real Messiah and are waiting for their own moshiach are not the chosen of God.

[@mossymaple]

IS THERE A VIDEO of what you believe instead of all the comparisons of opposition? THERE IS TOO MUCH CONFUSION WITH DRAGGED OUT COMPARING EVERY OPPOSING VIEW AS OPPOSED TO CUTTING TO THE CHASE AND MAKING A STRAIGHT FORWARD VIEW OF WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS TRUE....

[@dougbell9543]

Dispensationalism has foolishly replaced Christ with a re-emerged national Israel as the sacred epicentre of prophecy. ✔️

[@joshnelson3344]

How could 1 Thess 5:1-5 be about AD 70? This “day of the Lord” has to be something other than the destruction of Jerusalem because Paul was writing to the Thessalonians and telling them that the “sudden destruction” of this day of the Lord won’t surprise them because they are children of light. If this was merely about the day of the Lord coming on Jerusalem, then Paul should have told them that the sudden destruction of that day won’t come upon them because they live a long ways away from Jerusalem. So they’re good.

[@ThembaMaselane]

Just ab🎉out all the epistle writers foretells what was about to happen to Jerusalem and Judea as for warned by Jesus in the gospels and the book of Revelation. For churches to know about this was significant in that the fall of Jerusalem was going to have a devastating impact on the entire empire.

[@Max-dd7du]

There is a final judgment and it was not Ad70. The coming of Christ on the clouds is him coming in judgment, through history whenever the church is oppressed by the world power. It happens through his mediators, as the parable said he sent his armies and destroyed them. He told the high priest that very thing, It also happened at the fall of Rome through the ten tribes of the north in 476ad as accounted for in Rev. 17-18. However he will come in his very person in the final judgment at the end of time when he shall destroy death, the last enemy. This is what is accounted in 1 Thessalonians 5 and 2 Thess 1. Hope that helps. Preterism is confusing it plucks the stars from the sky by assigning everything to Jewry and 70ad.

[@thepowerofpreterismnetwork6385]

It's all about 'Proclaiming the presence & purpose of God', or in other words, Full Preterism. Most FP's have agreed it not 'all about AD 70', that's a rather immature view, and surely we don't believe it's about the end of the world. A whole lot of fodder in this message. Surely, the FP aren't Gary's intended audience, right?!?! But...this was a Full Preterist conference.

[@makarov138]

The rapture, the day of the Lord, and the day of judgment, are all one and the same day! 1 Thess 4:15-17 “For this say we unto you by the word of the Lord, that WE' (emphatic) which live, and are remaining in the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which sleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then shall WE' (emphatic) (those living breathing people) which live and remain, be caught up with them also in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” So here we have the coming of the Lord Himself. We have the shout of the Angel and the blast of that trumpet. The resurrection of the saved dead, and the gathering of the living into the Kingdom of God, the “air.” That's the context. Many, regretfully, call this the “rapture” incorrectly. So how does Paul describe this further? Just two sentences later within the same context: 1Thess 5:1-3 “But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For ye yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall come, even [as a thief in the night.]” Where have I heard that phrase before? 3 “For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then shall come upon them sudden DESTRUCTION, as the travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape.” Ah Ha! He has included that this same day previously mentioned in two sentences back, is a day of destruction as well! So what about that “thief in the night phrase?” 2Pet 3:10 “But the day of the Lord will come as a [thief in the night], in the which the heavens shall pass away with a noise, and the elements shall melt with heat, and the earth with the works that are therein shall be burnt up.” Remember Peter mentioning some of Paul's writings? Bet that's where Peter got that. Cause they are writing about the same event! So! The “judgment day,” as some refer to this, is the one and the same day as the one Paul was addressing in his first Thessalonian letter! Its all one event!! It is not two separate events! The “rapture” and the “judgment day” are all one single event. And according to Jesus and Paul, it all occurred in the first century at the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. How could Jesus and Paul have said it more clearly than they did?

[@kimmykimko]

Any teaching that denies a bodily resurrection at the Coming of Jesus is a false spirit that also denies Christ's bodily resurrection and does not believe the one true Gospel. His physical body was Not in the tomb. As He is so are we and if He rose again, never to suffer spiritual or physical death (in a physical, albeit glorified body that was flesh and blood, body) then so is our destiny. He told them " touch and feel me, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones." He ate with them. Denying the power of physical ressurection that cannot suffer corruption, which has not occured, is to deny the Gospel. Paul made it clear in 1 corinth 15 that if you believe this then your faith is is vain, you are still in your sins. As of yet i havent met a person who has been physically alive for 2000 years. This is not the new heavens and eartb for all the things that have been since the fall of man are still here. Still wreaking havoc. Still thorns, thistles, pain, suffering and death. I fear for you preterists, and at the same time i say : be it unto you even as you believe. I have a greater hope, spoken unto me of God, which you deny to fit your man made doctrines. I hope anyone who reads this wakes up and turns to the Truth, before it is too late.

[@jjmulvihill]

Correct. FP does not use Christ’s examples in Parables of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus preached on “The Last Day”. White Throne Judgement of non-believers has not taken place, nor have we received our glorified bodies. Matt26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. -He’s there now, and coming in power. All dominion and power is in His hand. But the Last Day is yet to come.

[@qwerty-so6ml]

@@jjmulvihill TO ALL PRETERISTS: Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy. REPENT, while you can

[@ottocarter5161]

I’m wondering how he tolerated being around Flat Earthers! SMH

[@FITSOZOLIFE]

Because the sun was stopped in it’s track in Joshua. To believe in heliocentricism, you have to believe in a Big Bang, billions of years and NASA ( to beguile) it’s no FE ist biblical cosmology

[@gumpman155]

I think the whole fighting over the end times is stupidity at its finest. I personally am not sure where we are in the bible's time line. The point of being a Christian is to go out and preach the gospel to all the nations. Another point of being a Christian is to live your life as if the end of time is about to happen. Another point is to love one another of Christ loved the church. Bottom line STOP just STOP with the arguing over whos right and whos wrong. God's word is not ment to be a fighting match.

[@sishrac]

I agree that the fighting resulting in more division should stop as it does not reflect Jesus as One sent by the Father. You are also correct in stressing the need for Love for one another as Christ loved the church. Only then can our preaching of the Gospel make any sense to unbelievers. However, it harms the Gospel if Christians do not acknowledge Christ had come in judgment just as He had promised to do at the appointed season. Still yearning for something He had already given defeats our mission in the Kingdom of God, and the world is spiraling downwards. We have abundant life now so that the nations may receive healing from the Tree of Life, which is in our midst. Christ is reigning and rewarding His sheep while disciplining the church, and He will remove its lampstand unless we repent from our false ways.

[@user-dx6mf2xs4j]

FP escathology is metaverse on steroids.

[@jesusistdereinzigeweg5290]

So you are amazing by a guy making magic with cards? Why? Why you not amazed by Jesus? And how could you even say this and people loved it? Our mouth should not say something wrong. But even if , we should not do this and should think that any of the deciples speak like that. People amazed by other people skills, thats philosophy, thats greek thinking, thats the direct opposite of what Jesus said. So why did we not start with a bibleverse? Why could it be that one stand there and no other can said one word. We create a system to fight against the body and wonder how we get conflicts. Do one man think he is the only one ? I see not such thinking in pauls or peters or johns words they are all making them smaller but today one rule above many.. they erase Jesus the head and can even talk about him.. for me it is , like one man with one man and one woman with one woman.. because we are the bride but many do not want to be a bride they want to be a man ruling about the bride, and they loving only the other man also ruling about the bride.. and some did not want to have a man they want only to be a woman with another woman but without the man the head.. brothers and sisters understand what has happened hear.. one rises up and rule about many.. and let no other speak anything..

[@ryangallmeier6647]

Gary can't figure out which Biblical texts talk about the 2nd Advent? Of course not, he's a (now) Full Preterist (Hyper Preterist) and Postmillennialist. Here are a few texts that address the 2nd Advent of Christ: Mt. 13:24-30, 36-43; Rev. 14:14-20; 1 Thes. 4:13-18; Jn. 14:1-3; 1 Cor 15:; rev 19-20.

[@franciscafazzo3460]

You're really that excited about somebody mastering card tricks and magic boy. I can't wait to see what you do with desktology

[@KingdomofGodResearch]

mu creeds..😂😂😂😂😂

[@donhaddix3770]

preterism is non literal and unprovable..

[@Kraig5821]

I agree with Gary on many things he speaks of, but the preterist view undermines the significance of Israel. Israel now has the pure red heifers to purify their nation, and rebuild the temple. When that happens will he change? How about when someone sits in said temple and demands to be worshiped?

[@JR-rs5qs]

They have no temple to sacrifice them. They don't even know the exact location of the former temple. They don't have a tribe of Levi to carry out the sacrifice. Modern Israel is not biblical Israel. There will never be a third temple (we are the temple made without hands), and even if they do rebuild one, it will be of no consequence-just another worthless pagan temple where false worship of false gods (modern Jews do not worship the God of the Scriptures).

[@qwerty-so6ml]

NO THIRD TEMPLE. Abomination that causes desolation = SATAN. Standing where it should not = YOUR TEMPLE (host body). Those that took the V defiled their temple.

[@borealopelta7284]

Gary holding to full preterism isn’t my concern. It’s him holding to Calvinism that troubles me

[@1Whipperin]

Too bad Gary won't debate with Dud Wilson.

[@georgechristiansen6785]

Wilson won't debate any FP.

[@joshnelson3344]

Didn’t they invite him to Moscow to discuss this issue but Gary declined?

[@georgechristiansen6785]

@@joshnelson3344 Not sure of the details, but I do believe that Doug Wilson reached out. I am pretty sure it was neither a debate nor public. Gary said something to the effect of he is too "lazy" to travel for it and thought that they'd misrepresent him afterwards anyway. Other FP's have offered to debate numerous times though. Either way it was the exception, which only proves what the rule is: talk smack online, but refuse to debate.

[@danieloutloud9151]

Took ten minutes but , we intensely disagree on the rapture so , see ya .

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Agree. There is no rapture 😂

[@jwheatly]

Sorry to break it to you that the Secret Rapture isn't anywhere in a bible. Time to disavow the heresy.

[@danieloutloud9151]

Break whatever you wish to whomever but , this 68 year old believer knows that this is about to happen . You , if you're a believer at all will simply have to be terribly surprised when it occurs .@@jwheatly

[@boardwalkbw7130]

This is soooooo boring...but I'm trying. When men stand up and preach with biggo long words noone uses...just makes me feel they are trying to stroke their own ego...look how smart I am kindof thing. Just cut the crap and say it

[@annchovey2089]

You need different friends. He’s actually using “biggo long words” that are commonly understood by a lot of Christian laymen.

[@boardwalkbw7130]

That was a teen saying that...this was part of a paper he was doing. @@annchovey2089

[@dennisschilling9218]

Who cares about beating Chris Hitchens in a debate? He was a pagan rebel against Christ. I would rather be a fool for Christ than a proud intellectual "christian" debater. Preterists are forced to spiritualize everything to fit their system.