ITALY VS USA | HEALTH CARE (IN-DEPTH)

A W E S O M E L I N K S:
The US health care system: bit.ly/1pXyteR
Why US health care is so expensive: bit.ly/1rENjZk
American using British NHS: read.bi/2a0yr7o
The Incidental Economist: bit.ly/1pbZtG4
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[@toome9457]

GOD BLESS ITALY!! I delivered my baby in a government hospital in Rome. I tell, I got a top notch service. I cant even begin write up a long list about that. I didnt pay a cent. not a quarter.

[@six.elev3stn738]

It's unbelievable: American women have to PAY to give birth to their children. I was shocked when I found out.

[@magnusstocco3518]

ty i live in Italy :D

[@usts6su19]

😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 I'm Italian, and 50,000€ for giving birth to a kid is unacceptable, C.R.A.Z.Y.!!!!!

[@ancomarzio8190]

ahahah, my dear, so good! glad ;-)

[@joemoschetta1541]

congrats

[@elisacarollo6386]

When I watched the first episode of Breaking Bad, I really couldn't understand why this poor man didn't want to be treated, if he had cancer. It took me a while to realize that he couldn't afford it. Italy may not be the best country in the world, but thank God they won't let you die if you have cancer or need surgery or other types of medical care.

[@blackstarblues9055]

Right! If the US or at least the state where the character lived had single payer health care there would not have been a show. The creators created a "world" where the current economics and politics of health care and the war on drugs were inevitable and immutable.

[@breadbutter4221]

Yep that's the sad reality of the US. If you don't have health insurance, you'll have to pay out of pocket and a large percentage cannot afford to get health care so many stay home and self medicate. No wonder so many pharmaceutical items are made available to people over the counter unlike many other countries.

[@pietrobonfy0619]

@@blackstarblues9055 Italy is a fucked up country but if you need a 120 k drug the government pays for you. You don’t even have to pay the parking at the hospital

[@VpVcomposer]

My sister had cancer. We didn't pay nothing. In Italy we pay a minitax of €27 euro, more or less, I don't remember. We pay only if we want fast or private medical visit or surgery. even medicines are cheap. I would like to come to America to study and I saw that if you break your arm it's $ 5,000. Is it true? Here we pay nothing.

[@amberfur5750]

There’s no best country in the world. Anyway, you may not even have an ID card, nobody will let you die or suffer.

[@giovannibonvento]

Tia, hai dimenticato di dire che gli italiani, grazie all'Unione Europea, hanno le spese sanitarie coperte in tutti i 28 Stati (fra un po' 27) dell'UE.

[@andrearimo]

il fu modello E101, adesso sostituito dal modello A1. inoltre, se ci si reca in USA per lavoro il ministero della Sanità rimborsa le spese sostenute. per cui pago e chiedo il rimborso. Se vado in usa per turismo invece, devo farmi una assicurazione privata...

[@MetroversalDesign]

Wow, non ero a conoscenza di questa cosa. Immagino ci siano dei limiti riguardanti al soggiorno in USA, altrimenti sarebbe troppo comodo!

[@MrHouse93]

Guarda che ha ragione, tutti i cittadini dell' Unione Europea hanno le spese sanitarie protette, ovviamente dietro presentazione della Tessera Sanitaria. Ah scusa, ho visto ora i canali che segui, nessuna sorpresa che tu abbia dato questa bella risposta da ignorantone.

[@giovannibonvento]

+MrHouse93 infatti! in Spagna mi hanno curato completamente gratis e non penso lo abbiano fatto per compassione! ma sicuramente lui conosce molto più a fondo di noi poveri ignoranti le politiche dell'UE

[@MrHouse93]

uuuuuh, qualcuno ha cancellato il commetino. +MsJerichos che ti sei reso conto di aver vomitato una marea di puttanate?

[@ajl1239]

Excellent video. I'm an American who obtained recognition as an Italian citizen. It makes me feel happy to know that at least one of "my countries" respects the idea that health care is a human right. The U.S. health care system -- not even fair to call it a system, more like a non-system -- is an obscenity.

[@SarsTheSecond]

And retarded Republicans are against free heath system. I always say I would laugh my ass off when you are broke becouse of medical bill or die becouse you can't pay.

[@fungamesandstories]

The american healtcare system is a business. America is built on corporations

[@marypoppins1987]

Io sono rimasta sconvolta dal sistema sanitario Americano...anni fa ero in vacanza a NY e sono stata male, avevo bisogno di un banale antibiotico, e io sono un medico...speravo di poter andare in farmacia e ottenerlo così, invece mi hanno gentilmente detto che la mia laurea e abilitazione in medicina da loro valevano nulla, a meno che io non avessi un documento rilasciato dal sistema sanitario americano che attestasse che la mia laurea aveva valore anche lì! Quindi, vado da un medico...prima cosa assurda: il medico era dentro un supermercato!!! seconda cosa assurda: il medico mi visita e al termine della visita (durata nemmeno 5 minuti) mi dice "si, hai ragione, hai bisogno di un antibiotico... sono 150$!"...prende la mia carta di credito e la striscia in un POS attaccato al pc... infine esco di lì, sbigottita, e passo al reparto farmacia a ritirare l'antibiotico che mi aveva prescritto: 6 compresse, quelle che dovevo prendere e non una di più, per la modica cifra di 25$...roba che in Italia pagavo 2€ con la ricetta... Sono rimasta sconvolta anche perchè in Italia la figura del medico non viene associata a qualcuno che paghi (ovvio, se privato sì, però comunque anche in quel caso non paghi mai lui direttamente ma la sua segretaria, è una cosa sottile ma fa la differenza)... invece quel medico ha preso la mia carta di credito e l'ha strisciata come se fosse una commessa di Macy's a cui pagavo una borsa...assurdo!!!

[@misstiataylor_]

ok, I had to literally laugh out loud when you said the doctor's was in a supermarket xD I am so sorry that happened to you!

[@marypoppins1987]

ahahah!! I know!!! It was the Duane Reade in Union Sq, unforgettable!!! xD

[@pile333]

Massì, infatti sarebbe ora che ci considerassimo tutti cittadini del piccolo e fragile pianeta Terra e che fossimo tutti veramente liberi di muoverci, vivere e lavorare ovunque, dove ci pare e senza vincoli, e quindi di far valere le nostre competenze automaticamente anche all'estero. Per questo motivo la brexit è antistorica; proprio perchè è già oggi evidente che anche la stessa UE è "piccola" e da questo punto di vista in un certo senso "superata" da una globalizzazione che è totale.

[@Windof]

Ma la cosa che lascia perplessi non è il fatto che il medico si faccia pagare, è un privato e anche da noi non tutti hanno la segretaria, ma stupisce il costo esorbitante per ora o minuto di lavoro, anche per medici qualsiasi che quindi non sono il Dr. House.

[@trattogatto]

@@pile333 Davvero non riesco a capire come possa formularsi il tuo ragionamento. Il globalismo, frutto del neliberismo più sfrenato e becero, funziona esattamente in senso contrario al beneficio personale che dici. Il sistema senza confini permette a entità private (istituti finanziari, multinazionali) di essere ai vertici di potere, e sostituire la politica, avere come opposizioni gli stati stessi con le loro costituzioni che limitano le "libertà" che invece questi mostri del capitalismo vorrebbero. C'è un conflitto di interessi imprescindibile, per fare profitto serve ridurre lo stato sociale, eliminare tasse e sanità pubblica, e non possono essere contemplate "persone zavorra" improduttive, vanno eliminate le pensioni, devono essere deregolarizzare le banche, e bisogna rendere i lavoratori flessibili e mobili, senza nazione, senza famiglia, senza identià e immemori delle proprie radici, posti da soli contro tutto ciò che li circonda, macchine da sfruttare negli ingranaggi del profitto. Il globalismo accentra enormi capitali e poteri in poche mani di lobbisti, alle spese della vasta maggioranza di persone, che viene spinta verso la povertà. Il globalismo mette in competizione già le aziende, e vorresti che mettesse in competizione anche gli stati, la sanità, vorresti che la gente si spostasse in altri stati per ottenere le cure. Questa è follia. Ogni stato dovrebbe avere la propria sovranità regolando internamente le vite dei propri cittadini, senza costringerli a situazioni di degrado e senza farli scappare verso ospedali "competitor" e senza spingere nemmeno le aziende a sopravvivere di esportazione, di mercato globale, andando a invadere i mercati degli stati vicini, delocalizzando e distruggendo le economie territoriali all'unico cieco obiettivo del profitto. Il capitalismo non ha scopi sociali, ha solo un obiettivo, il profitto. Il globalismo ci ha portato enormi danni economici, industriali, ed esistenziali. Chi non se ne rende conto e fiata di antinazionalismo e cittadini del mondo, libera circolazione di merci e persone, è incosciente e perduto. Senza proteggere le nazioni, renderle autosufficienti, e farle collaborare assieme, si favoriscono solo gli interessi privati delle entità sovranazionali, senza sentimento, che tritano soldi e sfruttano una terra di nessuno data in pasto al liberismo, vige anarchia e legge del più forte.

[@albertocrescini2076]

On 2012 I got burned, third and second grade burns. I live near Milan, so I got hospitalized in "Niguarda" (Public hospital). I was in intensive care for two months, in induced coma. Since I was in Italy (and I am sad saying that but luckily I was in north Italy) I haven't paid anything for my hospitalization, but the doctor said me that each surgery I made would cost around fifty hundred euros. I made ten surgeries. Also if you add the hospitalization fees, in the USA I would had to pay more than 500.000$... Thanks god, now I am feeling really god, like never before. Thanks god I am an Italian citizen...

[@BambiRory]

I'm happy you are doing well now!

[@misstiataylor_]

:)

[@albertocrescini2076]

Thanks :)

[@darioildiario3001]

My life was saved twice this year, and i had complex chirurgical operations... thanks God i'm italian, really... ^___^

[@darioildiario3001]

LOU Thanks a lot, you're totally right and i even knew it... heh, it's so warm my head is boiling! Grazie mille, ciao!!

[@DavideGobbicchi]

the italian healthcare is the 2 best in the world !

[@paperjack6510]

ECCOLOH! Il mattacchione.

[@_crismar]

cari/care italiani/italiane dobbiamo smetterla di odiarci così tanto! Lo dice una che ha genitori romeni ed è nata e cresciuta a Roma. Abbiamo tante, tantissime, falle nel nostro sistema, ma riusciamo comunque a far meglio di altri paesi, paesi della portata degli USA in certi ambiti. Se cercassimo solamente di puntare all'alto, vedere le cose positive e "improve them", l'Italia riuscirebbe a cavarsela veramente bene. Se per una volta fossimo tutti uniti per il SUCCESSO, il successo COMUNE andrebbe tutto molto meglio,ma, oggi l'unica cosa che ci tiene uniti sono gli insulti e le critiche che facciamo al nostro paese. Purtroppo il pensare solo a sè stesso e alla propria famiglia (a volte nemmeno a quella) e la 'furbizia' sono tratti caratteristici tipicamente italiani, ma se semplicemente queste "qualità" fossero utilizzare in modo COLLETTIVO 'contro' gli altri paesi, e non contro i propri connazionali, bhe allora sì che faremmo la Dolce Vita. Big hugs, from Rome xx

[@JenLaRock]

ma gli italiani odiano l'italia e se stessi, sono degli idioti in questo senso. Basta leggere un paio di commenti qui sotto di gente che "oddio no non è vero l'italia fa schifo e non puoi negarlo". Finchè ci sarà questa mentalità autodistruttiva, non si migliorerà un cazzo purtroppo.

[@kafidiolo]

Grazie per questo commento, abbiamo davvero bisogno di persone ottimiste :)

[@domenicozonno]

+Jen Nifer non generalizziamo per favore! io, come molte altre persone, amo alla follia il mio paese. difenderei il tricolore ovunque. certo ci sono molte cose da sistemare, ma chi non le ha?!

[@JenLaRock]

Domenico e siamo in 2 allora, mi fa piacere. Il mio commento è dettato dal fatto che purtroppo ne conosco ben poche di persone che non smerderebbero il loro paese, noi siamo quelli del medioevo, gli altri sono paesi civili, noi facciamo schifo, gli italiani sono degli italoti ignoranti, uno svedese vale 10 volte un italiano ecc ecc...purtroppo sono commenti che leggo ovunque sul web da parte di persone italiane (basta leggere qualche commento qui sotto, dove una ragazza parla d'italia come del terzo mondo e non si capacita di come a Tia potrebbe piacere vivere qui da noi). Io riconosco tutti i problemi che abbiamo, ma ho vissuto anche molto all'estero e posso dire che alla fin fine, tutto mondo è paese, i problemi ci sono ovunque, indipendentemente dalla natura degli stessi. E di frequente ho trovato che problemi che noi definiremmo tipicamente italiani, in realtà sono problemi un po' di tutti. Detto questo ripeto, non sono cieca nei confronti dei problemi dell'italia, ma non sono neanche così cieca da pensare che facciamo schifo.

[@domenicozonno]

+Jen Nifer pienamente d'accordo con te ;)

[@ThesaurusToblerone]

Another cool fact about the Italian healthcare system that I doubt many people know is that it has a mutual healthcare agreement with Australia. So that means that if you're an Australian in Italy or an Italian in Australia and you get sick or injured, you have the right to use the other country's public healthcare system for free, though I'm sure there are some restrictions. I found this out because my sister had to go to hospital in Rome when we were on a holiday in Europe in 2010 and all my mum had to do was show them her Australian medicare card. That said, my mum and sister found the quality of the non healthcare aspects of the hospital, like the food and the places for parents of sick children to sit down, to be pretty terrible. Also a lot of doctors were smoking (!) in the hospital courtyard. But they 100% fixed my sister's problem, which was a complication from an appendectomy done in Australia (apparently they would've done it differently in Italy), so I think we can overlook the downsides. I know Australia has mutual healthcare agreements with a few other countries, so I'm sure Italy would as well!

[@BambiRory]

I'm italian, I didn't know about this! Really cool!

[@elenazanna5475]

Yep, the food is terrible but the thing about the doctors, I think it depends on which surrounding you grow into. (Is that grammatically correct? If not, sorry, I'm still learning and I'm 14 years old, so I don't speak english very well.) I mean, my mom had to get operated and she was in this huge (and i mean HUGE) hospital which was very organised, the staff was very qualified and I didn't see many of them smoking. I probably saw 2 or 3 of them standing outside, I don't remember well if they were smoking or not. The food IS terrible, but hey, they have to cook for hundreds or thousands of people, you can't use 100$ ingredients for so many people, plus, you have do cook quickly so... Yeah, that's the result. But what you say it's right. They do an amazing work!

[@ryanhunter818]

Wow, I didn't know that! I made a little research and found that Italy and Australia has this kind of agreement also with other countries! :D Australia: www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/participating-rhca-countries Italy: www.salute.gov.it/portale/temi/p2_6.jsp?id=594&area=Assistenza%20sanitaria&menu=paesi About healthcare for EU citizens in other EU countries: europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/health/unplanned-healthcare/temporary-stays/index_en.htm

[@moonknightish]

Yeah, the food in the hospital is always crap.

[@fmlisci]

It's true that the food in hospital is not the best, but you don't go there to eat! You go to the hospital to be cured! The purpose is this! And we do it very good..I'm so proud of our Health care system

[@lucreziamariamuttini9182]

the funniest are the Italians that talk bad about our Health Care System!!! You don't even know how lucky we are!!! I lived in the USA for one year, I went to the doctor once ( Routine visit, I just took a big breath and he weighted me) He asked 175 dollars. I was on birth control.. 50 dollars a month!! One of my Italian friend got is appendix removed 3500 dollars!!!! NOW, COME ON we do have our problems and we could do better ( as always) but please don't complain!!!!!

[@intersezioni]

ti quoto al 101% , ma questo vale anche per altri settori ! Noi italiani siamo talmente autodistruttivi che nn ci rendiamo conto di quanto siamo fortunati! L'universita' e le scuole sono un'altro esempio

[@lucreziamariamuttini9182]

+intersezioni ma guarda tanto è inutile!! Gli italiani mi sembrano delle top model che si vedono brutte allo specchio!! Abbiamo scuole con insegnanti preparati, i miei professori all'università sono dei super esperti nel loro campo, rinomati è tutto quanto!! Il nostro più grande problema è la mancanza di liquidi ma è anche vero che una qualsiasi università in America ti costa in media 20000 dollari ( eccetto le ivy league) escuso il vivere!!! Mi direte che si trova lavoro OK (sempre che esci da una università decente) ma quando hai 100000+ dollari di debiti a 22 anni non è tutto rosa e fiori!!!! ( in Texas si arruolano tutti nell'esercito così che ti paghi il college)Nel mio liceo in America l'insegnante di storia era l'allenatore di football.. Di cosa parliamo!?!? Trovo giusto andare all'estero, sono esperienze uniche e lo faro nuovamente per un master ma sarò anche felice di tornare in Italia se ci sarà l'opportunità!!! PS: non odio gli USA ANZI ma bisogna essere oggettivi!!!

[@SuperJuvent]

il problema in questo caso è che ci lamentiamo perché non possiamo fare confronti con quelle degli altri paesi, almeno noi italiani che non siamo vissuti all'estero

[@lucreziamariamuttini9182]

SuperJuvent Credo che questo fosse lo scopo del video di Tia..portare informazioni...se dopo aver visto il video, in cui vengono dati numeri e ,ancor piu, un esperienza personale molto positiva in Italia e meno negli USA, continuiamo a volerci dare la zappa sui piedi sinceramente mi fa molta tristezza!! Non lo capisco. Gli Italiani sono i primi ( spesso unici) a parlare male dell'italia. Certamente, come ho detto prima, abbiamo i nostri difetti ma riconosciamo almeno i nostri pregi, esaltiamoli ed usiamoli per "nascondere"i difetti. In tutti i paesi ci si lamenta ma noi e come se volessimo convincere gli altri che l'Italia faccia veramente schifo...In tutta franchezza e da dementi!!!

[@SuperJuvent]

lucrezia muttini mi sono scordato di scrivere prima che concordavo col tuo discorso ! Apprezziamo almeno quelle cose che funzionano bene !

[@reezlaw]

American insurance companies are such powerful lobbyists that I really don't see how things are ever gonna change. I think a point of no return has been hit at some point decades ago. Thank you for your lucid and thorough explanations! I'm happy to hear that you like it here and you wanna stay!

[@FuckingRocker4e]

Ecco perché Brian è rimasto sconvolto dal numero di ambulanze che vede girare in Italia

[@intersezioni]

ahahahahahah Grande!

[@Allie_undici]

hahahah esatto, l' ho pensato anch'io

[@Debora1]

Il (bel) ragazzo del Colorado? Credo sia lui...si è vero! Ma è un fastidio sopportabile se penso che negli ultimi anni, purtroppo, ho avuto bisogno dell'ambulanza e ringrazierò sempre tutti i paramedici che sono corsi ogni volta!

[@agnieszkavanheirreweghe5837]

wait what!?!?!?!? you have to PAY to GIVE BIRTH??

[@tdcastillotd]

You really think we have to actually pay the numbers she quoted to give birth in America?!?!?! Our birthrate would be lower than that of Italy's if that was correct!!! I live in Italy now but my personal experience with healthcare in America is not anywhere near what she is saying. My healthcare through my employer in America cost me less than 5% of my monthly salary and I often had a 0-$20 copay to go to a doctor with choices of many doctors with relatively low wait time. I chose a relatively costly birth control and it was $90 every 3 months.... others cost less. I did not look at the price indepth of having a baby because that was not my need at this time... but 30 thousand dollars is maybe what is "billed" to your insurance but would certainly not be your out of pocket cost or in America we would have zero babies. Think about it...who could afford to pay 30K to have a child. Italians rarely see 30K in salary in 2 years. Your cost of paying for a service that you may or may not use is at a very high premium because your taxes are super high but you believe that you are getting a value so perception is reality. Reality is that you pay too much and get way too little because of the amount of corruption and inefficiency built into a socialistic system and you are happy to settle and justify mediocrity.

[@agnieszkavanheirreweghe5837]

+Tamara Castillo oke, that makes more sence. well honestly im not so happy about italian health care as the waiting is verry long and the service verry poor (sleeping with more than 2-3-4 and even more people in one room, sharing one bathroom...) health care in north europe (which im used too) is better (people have higher salaries= better healthcare). infact when we have some problem we always go to belgium (i went to check my eyes in order to have glasses, in italy they told me that i could wait for almost a year, i did it in 2 days in belgium) so its not that the socialist system sucks, it really depends on what the state can afford

[@tdcastillotd]

This is such a difficult topic to compare actually apples to apples so for me these surveys carry very little weight as the numbers can be manipulated too easily. The experience for every person is so different. I lived in Western New York near the Canadian border and Canada has a socialistic medical system similar to European countries and yet I knew many Canadians crossing the border into USA to get private medical treatment. Mostly because it was much faster and more efficient. State to state in America medical care is different. Obama care is a relatively new "national" program and for many states it is inferior and disruptive to the programs that were already in place. Some states of course did need the assistance of a national program and maybe Obama care was beneficial for them. I have access to your public healthcare system living in Italy but so far I have only used private doctors and paid per visit as needed. I live in Sicily so from what I have heard the public system is a mess here. I do say that pharmacy drugs cost less here than in USA. My impression of Italians that I know is that they border on hypochondriacs and go to doctors for the littlest of things. But I guess if 40% of my salary went to these type of "benefits" I would go to the doctor every chance I had to get my moneys worth. Italian life expectancy is longer not because you have "better" healthcare it is because your diet and other habits are relatively healthy You weigh less and have lower stress levels than the typical American. It is not that your doctors or system is any more advanced than ours. Prevention is always the best medicine.

[@Francesco_fiordi]

+agnieszka van heirreweghe sorry for hijacking this conversation, but I just want to share my experience (since you said that healthcare in northern europe is much better). I live in Norway, a country usually ranked at the top of every charts for its quality of life, but I have to say that, although many things are arranged way better than they are in Italy, I'm not that happy with the healthcare system. Just think of that: when you are down with flu or when you ate sick and need to be visited by your doctor (fast legen in norway, medico di famiglia o della mutua in Italy) you have first to book in advance (like i know that next week i'm going to be sick) and then you have to pay for the visit (around 15 euros i dont remember). But you havent heard it all, because what happens? Since doctors are paid by every patient they visit it's in their interest to visit as many people as possible, so guess what happens? They'll deign you of a 2 min and then send u home, nice isnt it?

[@agnieszkavanheirreweghe5837]

+Francesco S honestly what can a doctor say to you when you've the flu? stay hot and get some sleep, here take some pills. that's it. no one goos to the doctor for a flu..... as yoibe an italian name, i assume you know the italian system? well its much worse in Italy. my friends father actually died of cancer because doctors putted him on a way to long list. he waited months to be controlled by doctors as he felt sick (jenuary-feb), then after many months he was diagnosed with cancer (in november) and got treatment in July, in which doctors said it was already to late (it spread).....

[@valentinadellagatta8432]

Da Italiana che deve usare la sanità americana, non solo sono completamente d'accordo con te Tia; ma sono anche stupita che i medici americani siano veramente scarsi. Continuo a vedere "specialisti" che costano una valanga di soldi e che controllano i miei sintomi su Wikipedia!! Ma siamo impazziti?! Oppure mi danno delle soluzioni tampone (painkillers, cortisone ecc) invece di cercare CURE. Non risolvono mai il problema alla radice , ma solo il sintomo. Poi torno in Italia, vedo un medico GRATIS, e in due minuti ho una cura fatta ad hoc e guarisco per sempre... L'America si dice da sola di essere il paese migliore al mondo, ma non ha mai guardato al resto del mondo. L'Italia è un casino totale, ma anche gli USA non sono da meno...

[@AndreaBorto]

si laureano in tre anni, non so come facciano ad esser bravi

[@Marameo99]

ho visto da un altro youtuber che per fare una tac e un esame del sangue son partiti 1000 dollari(se non erro) e che molti italiani se possono tornano in italia a fare degli esami, confermi? perche poi le assicurazioni hanno quasi tutte un franchigia abbastanza alta.

[@italiani41]

Andrea Bortolami adesso te lo spiego. 1. L’educazione te la fanno pagare e pure profumatamente. Dunque l’educazione e’ un business. Come tale, basta pagare e.. voila’, medico diventi! 2. Puoi studiare e pure dare esami, si hai capito bene, dare esami online! Ciò’ significa che mentre dai l’esame, ti puoi leggere i libri dove hai studiato. E non e’ tutto. I tuoi esami li può’ fare chiunque al posto tuo! Capisce adesso perche’ le figure professioanali americane fanno schifo? Questo e’ la conseguenza del capitalismo, l’apoteosidel capitalismo: quella americana

[@silmuffin86]

@@AndreaBorto veramente fanno 4 anni di undergrad, 4 di med school, e poi la residency. ma l'universita' americana e' tanta pratica e poca teoria, e non sono in grado di usare il ragionamento medico

[@AndreaBorto]

@@silmuffin86 interessante, dunque avrebbero delle lacune teoriche rispetto ai nostri medici

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

So in other words if you are middle class in the US you are basically screwed? Lucky I live in Europe then.

[@misstiataylor_]

basically :P

[@mutedearthvirgo]

Exactlyyyyyyy

[@jaraya2]

no its not like that the differences are in how people spend money because there are a lot of people that do not not care about the health insurance but prefer spend money for other things and then when they go to the hospital they complaine the system because the have a 50 dollar health care that do not cover anything

[@italiani41]

Finally somebody that understands how things are

[@DSan-kl2yc]

@@jaraya2 There's no such thing as 50 dollar health care. I use cheap healthcare, and it's like 390. And my previous one was 400-something(when I got more credit). People can't afford that. Stop blaming people for a broken system.

[@gloria9157]

I'm currently majoring in Public Health & I graduate next year in May. If there is one thing I have learned from my studies, it is that the American Healthcare system is a business. Our professors taught us that the system is not meant to cure people. It is only meant to provide them with a quick fix & eventually they will end up returning to their doctors for more help. Basically, it is a never ending cycle.

[@filippofacciani2259]

My general feeling is that Italians tends to be very critical about their country (rightfully)... and this includes the Healthcare system. We don't really appreciate how good it is, until we go live abroad for some time. I am currently living abroad and I tend to go back for ANY kind of treatment (after may bad experiences)

[@laurag4942]

Thank you for being blunt af! Americans need to hear this!

[@solocongliocchi]

noi italiani ci lamentiamo di tutto...ma dovremmo proprio smetterla a volte :D

[@elisaamato1624]

È vero, non dobbiamo sempre pensare che gli stati uniti siano perfetti

[@TheFlowMind]

Io mi lamentavo della sanità italiana poi sono andata negli UK e ho cambiato idea. Qui sono gratis tutte le prestazioni ospedaliere ma si rifanno con le medicine che costano quasi £10 a scatola e in più cercano di farti meno esami possibili riempiendoti di ibuprofene. Ho un'infiammazione alla mano da circa tre mesi e il dottore rifiuta di mandarmi dal fisioterapista o a fare un esame.

[@JenLaRock]

ma valà, gli italiani hanno una mentalità autodistruttiva che non trovi in nessun altro paese. Godiamo nell'auto sputtanarci e nel farci sputtanare perché abbiamo un complesso di inferiorità troppo grosso nei confronti del mondo e questo vale per ogni cosa. Così non miglioreremo mai.

[@TheFlowMind]

Jen Nifer Mi dici che cazzo c'entra il tuo commento con quello che ho scritto? Sto parlando di sanità non di mentalità autodistruttiva e sputtanamenti vari.

[@raffaeleirlanda6966]

Con la strisciante riforma della Sanità fatta da Renzi, con tante piccole spallate al nostro sistema sanitario presto sarà così anche in Italia. E'di due o tre mesi fa la circolare ministeriale che i medici devono prescrivere meno esami possibile, per non farli pagare alla Sanità, altrimenti dovranno giustificare il loro operato davanti ad una commisione di controllo spesa. Se adesso il medico di famiglia non sicuro della tua salute ti prescriveva per scrupolo un esame ai reni o al fegato oltre al normale esame del sangue e scopriva magari che avevi un altro disturbo, da adesso in poi se te lo fa e l'esame extra non rivela nulla, viene messo sotto inchiesta e magari costretto a pagare lui di tasca sua l'esame che ti aveva prescritto, rimborsandolo allo stato a prezzo di mercato, non a prezzo di ticket. Con questo piccolo vigliacco vergognoso ricatto di Stato, sai quanti medici d'ora in poi eviteranno di prescrivere tutta una serie di esami extra salvavita?

[@HUMAN.EXPERIENCE.]

Miss Tia, I just wanted to tell you that I think your incredible! Your passion for Italy makes me miss it all the time. I find myself with goosebumps watching some of your vlogs. Much love from Los Angeles 💗💟🌹

[@SarahJamera]

Thanks for explaining this, I never understood the US system until now ^-^ In the UK I think it's similar to Italy and other EU countries - all residents, taxpayers or not get 'free' health services on the NHS (doesn't include prescription medicine, optical or orthodontic services unless you're under 16). You can go private which is better really because it's higher quality, but most don't. The NHS right now has some problems because of public spending cuts and there are issues with under staffing, long waiting times etc, but I still think we Brits are very blessed to have it!

[@pile333]

Yes, british and italian healthcare system are quite similar (and considered among the better on Europe). I think that now with brexit british citizens could have serious troubles if they got sick or injured while in other EU countries.

[@reezlaw]

B-but now with Brexit you'll have an extra £350 million a week to fund the NHS... right?

[@SarahJamera]

pile333 that's very true, health insurance would cost quite a lot!

[@SarahJamera]

reezlaw ha! surprise surprise, the 350 mill was all a lie to get people to vote leave...

[@reezlaw]

+Sarah Jamera That's the joke :)

[@Kromik100]

The thing is that there is a different mentality between this two countries. Here we have this philosophy were everyone pays for everybody, even if you don't need that service in that right moment, because you know that eventually when you need that, everybody would pay for you too. This applies to schools and everything. In America this is seen as COMMUNISM (which is not). Also i wanted to say that mental health in Italy is not considered a real "issue" and there is a huge stigma attached on that. I really can't tell if there is a public structure for that, but the few people I know that have been in therapy went in a private structure, but, again, it is not very common seeing a therapist here.

[@95onimusha]

We have the perfect example too: in italy a lot of people(usally in south italy) pay coffee if they are speaking with a stranger in a bar. Or some people pay a coffee for the mext customer that comes in. It's not super common(expecially the latter) but it's a perfect example of pur culture

[@nellouffa]

ciao Tia. In Italia il dentista e le visite "specialistiche" non sono coperte dall'assicurazione sanitaria: psichiatra, fisioterapista ecc. In alcuni casi sì ma le liste d'attesa sono lunghissime, tipo l'oculista per cui alla fine vai dal privato. Anche gli esami, le radiografie ai raggi X ecc. non sono coperte, si paga un "ticket" fisso, variabile in base al reddito, che cmq è meno del costo intero. Anche qui vale il discorso delle liste d'attesa.Il vero vantaggio è nelle spese di ricovero, per pronto soccorso e per il medico "di base", "generico" o "di famiglia" per il quale non si paga nulla. In base all'età, al reddito o alla patologia si hanno esenzioni sui medicinali. Per es. uno che soffre di cuore non paga le medicine perché sono considerate "salva vita" e perciò non si vendono ma si distribuiscono gratuitamente, o con un ticket minimo.

[@roby-wv8rw]

l'oculista non ha mai tempi di attesa lunghi, io sono sempre andata da quello pubblico e di solito devo aspettare 15 giorni massimo un mese tempi che spesso devi aspettar pure andando da privato

[@nellouffa]

roby 11 a me diedero l'appuntamento dopo 18 mesi. Prenotando da un oculista sono andato dopo 2 giorni, in un caso che poteva essere un'emergenza (ma non ne ero sicuro) la sera stessa.

[@gnpwdr37]

Non sono molto esperta ma in famiglia per la fisioterapia dopo l'operazione al ginocchio privatamente: 60€ per un'ora, con la mutua da 30€/h a 0€(!!) per l'intero ciclo di riabilitazione ( più di un mese e mezzo a giorni alterni, 2h a seduta) in una struttura davvero ottima.

[@Koroistro]

Dipende anche quanto flessibile sei. Per esempio io vivendo a Venezia avrei dovuto aspettare ~ 6 mesi per andare all'ospedale civile , ma ho trovato in una settimana andando a Mestre. Quindi se ti limiti ad un singolo ospedale è ovvio che è molto più ; probabile che abbiano tempi biblici... Per di più , se telefoni a chi gestisce gli appuntamenti (non ricordo il nome) e qualcuno ha disdetto per qualsiasi motivo ed hanno un buco ti piazzano lì; , l'unico problema è; che se non ci vai lo perdi e devi ricominciare la pratica dall'inizio ma è comprensibile. E comunque le visite private qui in italia hanno costi estremamente più ; bassi di quanto troveresti in america perché il pubblico fa da concorrenza al privato. Se una MRI ti costasse 5000€ qui in italia andresti da privato? No , magari ti sacrifichi una giornata e vai ad un ospedale pubblico che ha un buco anche se ti ruba una giornata.

[@lauracapobianco4067]

Ma certo che le visite psichiatriche sono coperte dal sistema sanitario! Bisogna rivolgersi al centro di salute mentale di riferimento della propria zona, i tempi di attesa sono in media di un paio di mesi..

[@lindaliriel]

You don't need private health insurance to get private treatment. For example: I want a scan. I can wait a month (or less) and get it for free or pay and get it done within two days. No insurance needed. You can also go to private facilities for state things, for example I can go to a private clinic for free for a blood test.

[@albertoarosio583]

The people that goes to private doctors or clinics is not because they are better, is because of the wait times. For some kind of exams or operations, if they are not life threatening you could wait for about a year before getting an appointment. If you go to a private one though, you could get an appointment in about a month. You essentially pay for not waiting, not for quality.

[@SarsTheSecond]

True. Same as Croatia. waiting lists are so damn long here.

[@Bea89italy]

Hi Tia! I should start saying that I'm Italian and proud to be, so i'm glad that you publicly said how good is our healthcare system, thank you for that. I would also like to add my personal experience: i suffer from a food allergy, that was diagnosed two years ago after I ate something that caused me a serious rush and an horrific itch all over my body. I went to my doctor, which sent me to the specialized "department" in the biggest hospital in my city, where they tested me for two days and then gave me the adrenaline ( i think it's the equivalent of the epi-pen), i paid just 46€ because i'm not poor ( otherwise this would have been free). Plus every year they change my adrenaline FOR FREE, because it's a life saving medicine. Somewhere i read that in the US you have to pay a lot of money for an epi-pen, which I think it's a shame: nobody choose to have a food allergy or a disease in general, nobody should capitalize it. In another video you told that there's an high rate of teen pregnancies in your hometown due to boredom: in Italy this does not happens, even in the tiniest villages, not because there's plenty of things to do but because with the "feminist era" came the Consultori, which are structures made to help young and/or poor women, so when you go there you pay your gynecological visit one euro per each year of your age ( ex. one 15 yo would pay 15 €), to make it more affordable to teenagers; you also can get psychiatric and legal aid. Also, here the birth-control pill costs 15-16 € per month, again very affordable for a teenager. I wrote this in English because all the Italians already knows those things, but for American people could be useful to know. For as i'm concerned you should demand a better healthcare system, the assumption that you can trade health and money is so wrong under so many aspects. Nobody should choose between going to the doctor and paying the rent or food.

[@camillafilippetti7661]

Great video Tia! I remember my uncle (he's a doctor) took care of an american guy on holiday who had broken his legs and after that he looked very sad so my uncle asked why and he said his holiday was over because he hadn't enough money to pay the treatment and finish the holiday so my uncle smiling told him it was free he hadn't pay anything! He was so happy like he was going to cry!! I think you americans aren't used to have free treatments, instead in our traditions medical treatment is a right not a privilege for the army or the richest!

[@marypoppins1987]

If you go to a psychiatrist or a therapist in public hospitals or ASL you only have to pay a ticket (10-20€) or nothing (it depends on your income or if you have exemption for a pathology, such as eating disorder, psychosis...), but this is the same with all the other specialists, dentist too! in Torino there's the Dental School, where you can have your teeth treated for free. Of course, if you prefer, you can choose a private dentist (most of the people do that, actually, because in this way you book fastest appointments) or a private therapist, and so on...

[@asamicat8323]

marypoppins1987 esattamente

[@uchapotamo]

Giiiirl! Now i have the tessera sanitaria but on my first week in italy with a tourist 3 month visa i went to the medico di famiglia di mio fidanzato ed ho pagato NIENTE per una visita e mi hanno anche rilasciato la medicina da prendere 😱 i will forever be gratefull to italy for that and now i pay A LOT of taxes, i have two jobs in italy, and i pay also for those that do not have the blessing of a job. The mentality is different 😘

[@minotaurus91]

"...and now I pay A LOT of taxes..." Ma và? XD XD XD

[@m1r3o]

Everyone interested in the differences between the us and Italy should really be watching your videos! You make really good points and pick on aspects that I have also noticed as an italian immigrant here in the US.

[@browngirlreading]

You explained it very well. This is one of the main things I love about France! They have an excellent health care system - #1 in the world. America needs to do better by their citizens concerning health care. They've allowed those private insurance companies come in and take over. So now it's all about money and not about the patients. It's awful!

[@GutsAndGall]

Btw the worst place to be in America is above the poverty line but not wealthy. You don't get any of the benefits yet the cost of healthcare will kill you. You're better off making less in some cases. Not good motivation for people to move up socioeconomically!

[@joan98610]

I think that THE thing that we're proudest of in Europe is the free health-care systems we have (not in all countries, sadly)

[@foogo100]

Hi Tia, you are actually my hero and have made me believe my dreams of living italy are possible! I'm going to study abroad for 3 months from September. Keep doing you!!! much love :)

[@carlodefilippi6914]

I'm very happy about the Italian healthcare system, as a cancer survivor I can relate. I know that being a Lombard is a privilege within a privilege, not all of Italy is at the same level, but I find the insurance based system of the USA very stressful. Obamacare is a very partial fix, I think, such a powerful and dynamic country deserves a decent universal healthcare. I can't imagine here in Italy a private healthcare...it should be the revolution or civil war. I really suggest anyone to watch "Sicko" by Micheal Moore.

[@landochabod7]

Carlo Defilippi Indeed, the US system has too many moving parts, and high overhead costs because of all the private insurance providers. US doctors often complain they waste hours every day arguing with insurance people about which exam, drug or treatment is covered by their company's plan. From Truman to Kennedy, Johnson and Obama, many Democratic presidents have tried to expand coverage, but the US system is still a mess.

[@becarebeca2156]

Carlo Defilippi I had bone marrow cancer in while I was living in Italy, I was I.in the hospital for almost 2 months and I almost died. Had to come back to the US and they saved my life here. It was expensive, but my insurance covered it... idc how much it costed, but the doctors and hospitals are much better quality and way more equipped in the US

[@eogg25]

What you do not know about Obama care is that you buy your insurance plan, the cheaper the plan the larger the deductible, in other words, if you went to the doctor and had Obama care you might have a 10.000.00 deductible in other words until that deductible is satisfied, you have to pay cash, my plan is not Obama care and more expensive but my deductible is 250 dollars USD, we also have Medicaid which has been in effect long before Obama and that is free, poor people get eye care, dental and health care free, if you can't get Medicaid and go to a hospital to get your appendix out, they send a social worker that finds a solution, free to you. there is also Medicare for retired people. and if you are a veteran, there is the VA, basically free, I got my hearing aids free, I paid a small amount for prescriptions, Nothing is free here. I heard some stories about medical services in Italy and some people had to borrow money to pay for some of the medical services, I don't know if its true.

[@TheHigherQuality]

You're one of the most inspiring women I've ever come across.

[@annadelprete85]

Si anche io confermo che il nostro Sistema Sanitario sia abbastanza efficiente, ma non perfetto. I punti di forza sono sicuramente il fatto che il pronto soccorso (codice Rosso, quindi quando è a repentaglio la vita dell'individuo) è gratuito. Il codice giallo e il codice verde invece, sono a pagamento, perché richiedono servizi specialistici per pazienti in situazioni non a rischio vita, e quindi sono paragonati a visite ambulatoriali, e il costo e' più o meno quello del ticket sanitario ambulatoriale, quindi siamo sotto i 50 euro. Un altro punto di forza è la gratuità del medico di base: questo aspetto è spesso trascurato. Con il nuovo regolamento Universitario, i medici di base dovranno disporre, oltre che del titolo conseguito dopo i 6 anni di medicina, anche di 2 anni di specializzazione in medicina di base. Inoltre i nostri medici di base sono quasi tutti specializzati in altre branche (tranne quelli molto molto anziani). Questo per dire che sono molto preparati, e spesso il loro parare può evitarci una visita specialistica inutile. Altro punto di forza è che i medici migliori, o almeno a Napoli, dove vivo io, lavorano negli ospedali pubblici universitari, e sono docenti alla facoltà di medicina: con meno di 50 euro, avrai il consulto del miglior medico della regione (e per alcune specialità, come oncologia, del Mondo). Ultimo punto, la parziale retribuzione del costo dei farmaci di prima necessità per la popolazione, e la completa gratuità dei farmaci per i pazienti ricoverati in ospedale, o sottoposti a chemioterapici (farmaci costosissimi). Ovviamente la corruzione, quindi la malasanità, ci mette il suo zampino nell'allungamento dei tempi di attesa per le visite specialistiche, per gli interventi chirurgici, per i servizi riabilitativi (soprattutto), nel territorio, ma questi sono aspetti che purtroppo riflettono la crisi e l'incompetenza politica che il nostro Paese sta affrontando in questo momento.

[@filippo2244]

si certo, è efficiente al nord. Vivi giù poi vediamo se dici la stessa cosa

[@mariavittoriacapeceminutol7285]

Veramente ha scritto che vive a Napoli

[@kratos3650]

Anna Del Prete brava. Non perfetta. Io avrei detto quasi scadente. Ma vabbè

[@Sara-lx8jy]

Il codice giallo e verde a pagamento? 😱 cosa? da noi di paga solo il codice bianco (giustamente).

[@GeaTodini]

Anna Del Prete 11A

[@Peggysmusic]

This is brilliant - as usual! I just love your videos! I'm an expat in Sweden, and you've pretty much described Sweden's healthcare insurance system, too. Like Italy, the national medical insurance doesn't cover dental or prescriptions, but those two medical needs are each covered in another way by separate government subsidized programs. You have to pay out-of-pocket for dental and prescriptions, but there's sliding-scale ceiling that, once reached, makes them cost-free for the rest of that calendar year. What the ceiling does is even out the "playing field" for everyone so that people, like me who have dental problems and who need expensive medicine, end up paying about the same amount per year as people who are lucky enough to have perfectly healthy pearly whites and who don't need expensive medicine. I get so frustrated with the average American who refuses to look outside the box long enough to realize how a one-payer system of health insurance would solve not only America's health problems but also its social problems by reducing social stress and resentment from the ever-growing chasm between the super rich and the poor (including the working poor).

[@axoram]

Avete sentito, grandi simpatizzanti del modello Americano? meditate italiani , meditate e teniamoci stretto il nostro sistema sanitario , anche se il massone Monti aveva provato a metterci le mani.

[@melissaperugini8929]

I love watching your videos without ita subs, i'm 15 and i go to a language high school, and they're quite challenging to me to understand every single word, but i think they give me a big help to learn english❤️

[@lakinella]

il sistema sanitario copre le cure dentali (con pagamento di ticket per visite e interventi basici mentre per interventi di ricostruzione o conservazione si paga con tariffe controllate dalle regioni). anche il servizio di consulenza psichiatrica è fornito dal sistema sanitario nazionale attraverso i consultori familiari :)

[@The1927ASR]

Esiste anche il pronto soccorso odontoiatrico

[@Alexandra-oj4ik]

You can still get a tessera sanitaria as an immigrant student by paying 150 euros a year for iscrizione sanitaria volontaria (it also fully substitutes the obligatory health insurance for foreign students). Once you get a working residence permit, you're provided with the tessera sanitaria free of charge, I literally went to the nearest ASL with the post office receipt and was issued the card number in 5 minutes. However, the dentistry over here sucks even for Italian citizens, many folks I know go to the countries nearby like Croatia, because it ends up being cheaper, even if you consider the travelling expenses. I myself go back to Russia every year to get my teeth checked and fixed if needed, since my national health insurance provides it free of charge. And another thing that I believe not many Italians are aware of: if you're an illegal immigrant, you can get a national health insurance for free (the so-called STP), you go to a hospital without any papers, require one saying you don't have sufficient economic resources and they give it to you no questions asked, you don't even have to give your name. Because it's a fucking humane thing to do.

[@Sanakochan]

I think it's not only a human thing to do. Several years ago in Italy some parties were discussing the possibility for the doctors to report illegal migrants who came to them. It was part of the old "reato di clandestinità" law. Doctors were against it: they said that not only it was their duty to cure everyone, but that this law could have led to illegal migrants too afraid to go to the doctor, which could have caused the spread of illnesses through the population.

[@wakeuptoreality5359]

The United States is the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right, not a privilege. (Bernie Sanders)................. Gli Stati Uniti sono l'unico paese industrializzato al mondo in cui le cure mediche non sono un diritto, ma un privilegio. (Bernie Sanders)

[@giorgiorebai1034]

Well but the US are basically new, Europe is here for more than 2500 years, and America was here for literally 200 years or so. So I wouldn't be surprised if the Health care in America was not so good. Non ho voglia di tradurlo in italiano 😂

[@95onimusha]

@Carlo Cocciolo it was cheaper for sure 😂

[@michelemeroni3272]

@Tya: dentist and psychologist are free as other treatments! A lot of Italians goes to private dentists and psychologists because they don't have to wait days or weeks. It's something like: Public -> "Ok, we can arrange an appointment in 5 weeks" Private -> "Ok, what about next monday?"

[@lacasadipavlov]

Wow! Very interesting and in-depth, brava! I think that, generally speaking, the quality of Italian public health care is very high, the real problem it's the time! The waiting list for some specialistic tests is unacceptable! Concerning the "psychological things" we have consultori and CSM (centri sanità mentale) that are completely free. Actually even the dentists are free, but normally people prefer to go to private ones (like, sometimes, oculists and other specialist doctors)

[@atlantis4516]

Dentists in Italy are absolutely not free of charge. It's free of charge only what is included in LEA (livelli essenziali di assistenza=basic healthcare assistance levels) decided by the government.

[@blasterx8688]

Right but it depends... there are several Italian hospitals that also offer dental car, especially for implantology and mjor problems. I know it 'cause I had an experience with that.

[@sheilashey3115]

14:12 LOVE what you said from here on. Everyone should be able to admit when they are wrong and I really loved when you criticized the American’s general idea so carefree. I always find your reasoning astonishing. Love ya ❣️

[@OrangeOVL]

Haha that mindset "we are the best country in the world" is sometimes really annoying. Dont get me wrong i think to have pride in your own country is not a bad thing. But sometimes it feels like Americans are not able to admit that other countries do things better or in a equal fashion or simply have more experience with something. Its almost as some Americans need to think every thing was invented in the USA. Once i had a discussion with an US citizen, who couldn't accept that the USA did not invent pizza and pasta like we know it today. I showed him prove and still he denied it. Its funny when the topic is food, but their are much more serious topics when that kind of mindset in my opinion gets really dangerous and also very insulting. As a swiss/german it infuriates me when someone tries to explain to me that Hitler and the Nazis had their good sides without any background knowledge. Or our rates of shootings are just that low in Switzerland because we are all rich and they dont care about the fact that every swiss man gets trained in the army and can keep the weapon at home, but its forbidden to keep ammunition at home. Still love you Americans, but please dont forget others have pride in their country too ;D

[@landochabod7]

OrangeOVL Good points. The myth of "American exceptionalism" hasn't just led to bad foreign policy decisions, it's also led to refusing to ever take a page from someone else's book, particularly when it comes to healthcare. I suspect many Americans mistake patriotism, which should be about trying to make one's country better, something people all over the world can relate to (as no country is perfect), for simply saying their country is the best in the world and couldn't possibly be improved by copying someone else. It's a lazy version of patriotism, one that only requires faith, not actions, and could only be true in one country at the time (as there can only be one "best" country at the time, and I suspect it's not the US).

[@Whippets]

Probably Trump supporters, they don't like facts --- fake news, fake news, fake news ....

[@fungamesandstories]

I agree. The country doesn't take care of its citizens, yet ot expects them to give their lifes for the country. Yup, they do confuse patriotism with brainwashing

[@niahhudson7126]

Your makeup look and black hair look sooo good on you! ....girl you are glowinggg in this video 😍😍

[@marcoburlon9903]

Good bless Europe!

[@singersavenue8941]

I’ve been in Italy fr couple of years now and I love their health care it’s amazing,even going to de drug store to a medicine most times it’s free...

[@fabiogerussibueriis]

Sì, mi ricordo che quando ero negli USA una signora senza assicurazione che conoscevo era andata in ospedale rimanendo lì una notte, giusto per controlli, ed ha dovuto pagare più di 1.000 Dollari... non era contenta per niente. In Italia non ci preoccupiamo tanto della salute in quanto sappiamo che se succede qualcosa andiamo all'ospedale. Penso che negli USA siano più stressati a causa del loro sistema sanitario e del "cosa succede se mi ammalo?".

[@giovanniariawan8511]

esatto!! vivendo in USA quasi un anno dopo aver lasciato italia mia, purtroppo la sistema sanitaria qui mi fa stressare, immaginando sempre il costo di assicurazione al mese, non posso applicare una bella vita qui in USA come la ho fatta in Italia :'(

[@mauriziodenisi3696]

sei da un' anno negli USA e hai dimenticato l'italiano?

[@mermaidmoon2254]

disse quello che scrive UN'ANNO...

[@MUTVFORMV]

@@mauriziodenisi3696 Anno è maschile, finto nazi grammar

[@revengerknight92]

Si, Tia, in Italia è incluso anche il supporto psicologico gratuito (della ASL)! Anche per i dentisti in realtà se non sbaglio, solamente che molte persone preferiscono il consulto privato perché le liste d'attesa a volte possono essere davvero lunghe e molto spesso i denti richiedono continue visite frequenti!

[@silmuffin86]

As an Italian in the US I learned to appreciate 2 Italian things: healthcare and the school system!

[@silmuffin86]

and just fyi hospitals have dental care in Italy, but it's very basic (don't expect an implant, they'll give you a denture ;) ), and psychiatric care as well, but for real mental diseases, not just because you decide you want couple therapy for example

[@Paul-yd6rr]

I pay 36% of my in for taxes PLUS thousands of dollars / year for insruance that i am afraid to use.... Oh, and my kid has 80k in student debt. It would be cheaper to pay 50% in taxes.

[@Jalilya]

Ciao Tia... Mi piacerebbe perché in America è così frequente rivolgersi ad un terapista. Ho l' impressione ( da quello che rimandano i media) che anche semplici difficoltà, stati d'animo (come ansia, stress, tristezza etc) comuni a tutti gli esseri umani, diventino problemi così insormontabili da dover essere supportati necessariamente da uno specialista, affiancando anche terapie farmacologiche. E allora mi domando: ma il popolo americano a livello di resilienza, di accettazione, di forza d'animo come è messo? Mi chiedo inoltre se dipenda dall' educazione da parte della famiglia o da un fattore culturale? Forse la spinta all' indipendenza da parte della famiglia e della società stessa, può far sentire i ragazzi più soli e meno protetti, per cui proiettano da adulti nella figura del terapista il supporto psicologico che viene a mancare sin da ragazzini? Ovviamente le mie sono solo riflessioni, per questo chiedo a te un parere magari più realistico. Grazie e ciao

[@Itnecap]

Capisco il tuo punto di vista, anche se purtroppo nel nostro paese abbiamo il preconcetto che a rivolgersi ad uno psicologo o ad uno psichiatra si rivolgano solo i matti ;)

[@LisadB5]

Also left the US and moved to the Netherlands!! What a surprise. It is so nice to live worry free about healthcare. The US is TRAGIC!!

[@Isphanian]

Paying taxes (which don't go towards healthcare) + paying HIGH monthly premium (or premium whatsoever)...just to have to pay a $5,000 deductible, plus 20% of the remaining artificially inflated amount. That's the definition of GREEDY SCAM.

[@giuliabruzzi5424]

For the therapist: if you go to a psychiatrist is all covered (there are CSM translated 'mental health centre' in every town, so no need to go to the hospital). In CSM there are also psychologist.In this case from what I've heard not all the expenses are covered, but you certainly pay a lot less than a private psychologist. :)

[@pile333]

Furthermore in Italy the 19% of the amount of medical expenses is deductible.

[@lbhh]

Yes And if you need a special bed for an ill person or a wheel chair or anything it's free. They send you home brand new things without paying. Eyeglasses too are deductible.

[@ignls8809]

Fun fact: recently 50% of healthcare of all EU is covered by EU herself

[@andreapannone8262]

I love your channel! I can't stop watching your videos bc you're so interesting, cultured and well-spoken, and not to mention beautiful!

[@alebett2966]

yea all true... but Tia u live in Milan... try to go to a hospital in Naples for exemple or in Calabria.... DEFINETELY NOT THE SAME THING

[@SuperJuvent]

non per forza

[@klaudio29751]

Pay taxes you had to pay in full..................then ask for a better health service and better schools as well .................until then shut up !!!!!

[@alebett2966]

+klaudio29751 agree

[@atlantis4516]

well said ale bett.

[@atlantis4516]

well said ale bett.

[@sarascognamiglio2000]

Actually, you can also go to a psychologist or a dentist without paying anything. You can find them in these structures that we call ASL. However nobody goes to ASL for a dentist because it tooks so long to book an appointment, so we prefer to go to a private one. As an Italian, I'm proud of our health care system, even if we still have to improve it.

[@gracieroyle5575]

Moving to Italy soon but a few years ago I was there on vacation, in a small Tuscan town, and had a toothache, found a very nice dentist. She didn't have all the fancy equipment my dentist has in the US but she got the problem taken care of very well. She and her assistant spoke little English. At the end of the visit there was no charge. I don't think she really knew how to accept a private payment. Again, language barrier, but collecting money didn't seem to be a normal part of practice.

[@IChoseLife7]

Psychologist and dentist are included in the national healthcare system but many people choose the private alternative for these two professionals.

[@pile333]

Fiscal pressure in USA is lower than the italian one for those who earn more than 200.000 euros a year; for those who belong to "middle class" in the USA the fiscal pressure (real and perceived) is not so far from the italian one.

[@misstiataylor_]

THANK YOU. PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.

[@NicholasTheKing]

I think it's 30.000 rather than 200.000, above that it grows quickly :) Here are some numbers about IRPEF (tax for physical persons): - no tax area: below 8K for employees, 4.8K for free lance - up to 15K euro/year => 23% - 15-28K euro/year => 27% - 28-55K euro/year => 38% - 55-75K euro/year => 41% - above 75K euro/year => 43% Then you have to add about 10% for pension pension contributions and other things, and subtract some deductions. So for example: - gross 22K/year => you actually get 1250 euro * 13 months = net 16K (27% taxation) - gross 28K/year => you actually get 1500 euro * 13 months = net 19,5K (31% taxation) These are quite average wages in Italy. So it's not that bad, except that you have many other taxes (22% VAT, house, cars, gasoline, TV and whatever). By the way, all medical expenses above 130 euro/year are 19% deductable on tax returns.

[@misstiataylor_]

by fiscal pressure I don't think he means just taxes, but what you earn vs the cost of everything. Yea in america we earn a bit more than Italians but the cost of living is disproportionately higher. My sister makes 100,000 in salary but with the cost of a mortgage, utilities, student loan debt, health insurance/deductibles, car payments and now additional costs due to her new baby (daycare costs alone are absurd here) even if you make a decent amount of money (e.g. $100,000 p year) you still feel financial pressure and really have to plan out your life

[@misstiataylor_]

might i add that's 100K before taxes.

[@alexbolder]

Hey Tia that was really informative, thanks for sharing. I moved to Spain in 2009 and had my residency and since I was living with my parents in Catalonia I had my "La targeta sanitària individual (TSI)" which is their health insurance. I unfortunately broke my wrist skateboarding and was completely covered. Boy was I happy lol.

[@pizzafreddaacolazione]

Italiani, la smettete di lamentarvi una buona volta??

[@doc7440]

è nei nostri geni :| ,se non ci lamentiamo almeno un po' non stiamo bene .

[@pizzafreddaacolazione]

sì, ok anch'io mi lamento ventiquattr'ore al giorno però dai: la sua esperienza è quella e s'è trovata bene da noi ... che male c'è, scusa?

[@landochabod7]

I love two girls named Bora E perché? Non ci stiamo lamentando nonostante abbiamo un (relativamente) ottimo sistema sanitario: abbiamo un (relativamente) ottimo sistema sanitario perché per generazioni ci siamo lamentati!

[@AelwynMr]

Oh! And public dentists do exist, but people who can afford it go to private ones since you can get an appointment more quickly and have the job done as you prefer. There are also a few public therapists, while psychiatrists are mostly public as all other doctors. Also, all EU citizens have full coverage in Italy, and vice versa.

[@micheleciccolella1281]

Tia, I am an italian doctor currently working as primary care physician in the north of Italy.I spent the last 8 years of my life working for the UK National Healthcare System, which is also publicly funded. I would like to say that public hospitals in Italy and in the UK may be the best place where to be for patients. However, the same cannot be said when it comes to doctors and other healthcare professionals. Long hours ( getting ever longer) and great responsibilities (getting ever bigger) are not matches by low salaries (getting ever smaller). At least in the USA, if you are a doctor, you are sure you will become a millionaire whereas in the public systems, if you are employed by the government, they make sure you remain poor. I am actually looking to moving to the US next year. Would you recommend that?

[@doc7440]

In effetti dovremmo trattare un po' meglio le persone che lavorano per la sanità , lavoro duro ,orari ingrati e di certo non li sovrapagano... anzi ... e a maggior ragione vale anche per i volontari .Poi ovviamente ci sono i buoni e i cattivi come dappertutto.

[@SophiaNicoleLoPresti]

Non voglio essere cattiva ma non puoi operare negli states con una laurea Italiana. Devi fare test e forse anche lezioni. Inoltre se non sei americano non puoi lavorare là, devi avere o la visa o la green card.

[@SophiaNicoleLoPresti]

Con la laurea in medicina intendo.

[@micheleking3160]

Doctors make a lot of money in the US, but depending on where you work hospital or private practice, you as a doctor would have to pay your own liability insurance. My friend sister graduated from medical school got a job and had to come up with $14,900 before she could start working. Would you have to take the American board test to practice since you would come from another country? If your goal is to make a lot of money we can offer you that, but doctors don't get paid in Italy? Did you have to pay student loans in Italy?

[@julielilote3496]

michele king In France medical school is free and even could get financial aide for my spendings vive La France.

[@HamelinSong]

Private clinics are not better... just FASTER. And here in tuscany the ambulance is completely free, But you have co-pays for specialized doctors/surgeon! E.G: If I need to go to a dermatologist, my G.P gives me a "ricetta", with that I can ask for a visit, I book it, and then pay a ticket according on my income (I pay around 35EUR). The problem is that sometimes you need to wait A LOT for a visit/surgery (Around 2-3 weeks for a visit and I waited 8 months for a surgery to remove a cyst!!) So, if you don't want to wait, you simply book a private clinic. BUT luckly In Italy the more ill you are the less you pay or wait. I had a friend who died of cancer, she NEVER paid anything for her treatments, And she got frequent surgeries without having to pay, and since the last year of her life she was declared handicapped, she recieved 300EUR per month by the system.

[@narxese]

Da notare che il terzo,il quarto e il quinto sono San Marino,Andorra e Malta

[@Ekeloa]

Dear Tia! I'm italian so I can answer you about dental and therapist cost. As you said before, we can choose between the SSN (public, it means Servizio Sanitario Nazionale) and the private... and this is for everything, including dental and psychiatric help (the section that provides this help is called CSM), the only thing that doesn't work as well for this two departments is "timing". Italian public health really works wonderfully when you are in danger and you need help immediately, but if you are fine and you just need a checkup, you probably have to wait months to have it done... and this is why most italian choose private health for dental and therapist/psychiatric help. Also, Italian citizens that have a job, that do not have "esoneri" for a disease or a special condition (ie. pregnancy, cancer, heart diseases, ecc..) or before they turn 65 yo, need to pay fees in order to do most of the clinical exams... nothing compared USA fees, but it's not free: in order to make a full blood exam I pay around 80€, to have a gynecology exam I have to pay around 50€, if I need to do an X-Ray, I have to pay... although if it is an emergency, and I go to the ER and the doctors give me a "code red", "code yellow" or the decide to get me hospitalized, I do not have to pay and everything it is covered from the SSN. Sorry for my English (Ihihi). love your videos!

[@pile333]

Se ti ammali di cancro in USA, devi sborsare come minimo 60 mila euro sull'unghia e se non hai una buona assicurazione o se non ce l'hai del tutto sei un uomo morto. Obiettivamente non è così in Italia; se vieni considerato malato cronico o di patologia grave come il cancro non paghi (o paghi pochissimo) le medicine specifiche per la tua patologia (tramite i tesserini rosa o verdi che devi richiedere).

[@Ekeloa]

+pile333 infatti l'ho specificato. Per il cancro l'esonero è il 038. In più ci sono realtà di associazioni (nella mia zona c'è Advar) che in parte tramite SSN, in parte tramite donazioni e lasciti, aiutano i malati di cancro e le loro famiglie.

[@MsMizzica]

Go to Calabria and you'll change your mind.

[@kafidiolo]

Io vivo in Calabria e per cure serie mi sono sempre rivolto a medici privati... molti dei quali veramente bravi e più economici rispetto a quelli di altre regioni, resta il fatto che essere ricoverati in un ospedale calabrese o del sud in generale comporta grossi rischi e disagi...

[@gianluca4012]

Quello che ho pensato io..

[@antoniocordasco5386]

The problem with the public health system in Italy is that in some areas the hospitals can be very bad, there can be very long queues, maybe you have to wait months to do something that is super urgent etc. Generally the more south you go, the worse it is. So this is usually the reason people in Italy would go private. But they wouldn't buy insurance, they'd simply pay for the private services themselves. Otherwise, there is the other "italian" way of getting quality health service through the national system even in places where the situation is not so great: You call your friend who works at the hospital to "see what they can do" to speed things up.

[@Nikkibeautybliss]

Love your videos!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@dedag90]

Ciao Tia! Ti seguo da poco, sei una ragazza davvero carina e intelligente. Di solito scrivo pochi commenti, ma ti volevo dire che il dentista non è solo privato, lo troviamo anche in ospedale, so' però che non fornisco tutti i trattamenti di un dentista privato. Per quanto riguarda lo psicologo, con la prescrizione del medico di base puoi rivolgersi a strutture gratuitamente. Non sempre il privato è sinonimo di un servizio di qualità maggiore, molto spesso noi italiani ci rivolgiamo in ospedale per evitare le lunghe code per gli appuntamenti. Forse è questo un difetto italiano, talvolta attendi mesi per una visita. Ciao bella! Grazie per essere molto obbiettiva e sincera, e aver trovato un punto a favore per il nostro bel Paese.

[@TypicalRussianGuy]

In Russia we pay 40-50% of our salaries as taxes and get the Healthcare that is even worse than American...

[@ItalianCurls]

Yup! Not to mention as a student you can ONLY use the insurance given through the school, which is usually one of the most expensive AND it DOESN'T cover everything. Been there, done that...

[@guidofrancescon7953]

Ciao! volevo dirti che in Italia nel servizio sanitario nazionale denti e cure psicologiche ci sono :)

[@atlantis4516]

Non il dentista non è incluso; ovvero lo è solo per determinate categorie.

[@Zvarkov]

Psychological care and dental care are also provided by the national health system. Besides, I don't know if you mentioned this: generally speaking public hospitals are more well-considered than private clinics. Except for huge private clinics, public structures are more regularly controlled, checked and verified. Public structures respect treatment guidelines and guarantee full hygienic, safety and assistance standards. Private clinics are generally less controlled, especially the small ones. Public is generally "safer" and guarantees top notch medical expertise in many centres. Private structures have top-notch doctors (maybe even a bit more prepared than some public centers) but only in few "big" and well-known hospitals. Small private clinics often happen to be dirty and neglected.

[@Fradig]

Tia, qualsiasi visita medica o ricovero effettuato in un ospedale pubblico in Italia è, per così dire, gratuito, non va pagato niente. Se vai nello studio privato di un medico allora c'è da pagare.

[@atlantis4516]

Ancora per poco vedrai, verranno introdotti i ticket anche sui ricoveri, ne hanno già parlato ma finora non lo hanno mai fatto.

[@Fradig]

Si, è dal 2013 che se ne parla e ancora niente. Solite cavolate messe in giro da a chi piace far polemica

[@iGlowStar]

For once I'm finally watching a video exactly when it's been posted! 383 views right now. Your videos are awesome TIA, so insightful, thank you! Keep up the great work.

[@Musikfjant]

You have to pay 30% in taxes in Sweden

[@Arr1able]

Are you swedish? Or just another refugee?

[@Musikfjant]

+Arr1able I'm not a refugee I was born in Sweden

[@iflexyfootballandmore170]

+Arr1able lol what are you? Racist?

[@iloveicecream127]

+Arr1able well that was just rude

[@octavia88]

70% in Italy with direct and indirect taxes. if you're lucky enough to pay them because young people in Italy get atypical "working contracts". Basically they work as volunteer with a reimbursement of something between 600 to 800€ clean money. but no part of it goes into pension plans etc. so basically it doesn't count as "work" if you are later unemployed or if you retire....wonderful right? I think Sweden wins :)

[@TheTazz2you]

So happy that I am not the only one that knows this,. Spread the info to all. maybe all eyes will open

[@russko118]

Per quanto riguarda la sanita gli USA sono più vicini al terzo mondo che al primo

[@MUTVFORMV]

Al secondo dai

[@manuelabiondi4185]

I'll tell you what I got from my Italian Health Care System. My father is diabetic and has high blood pressure, so he has to take a lot of medication for that (insulin and pills). Now, since these medications are a NECESSITY, they are absolutely free for him. Just to make an example, each syringe of insulin he uses costs around 100€, and it lasts 2 weeks, so just for insuline he would have to spend 2400€ euros a year JUST for insuline, but since he needs it to survive, he doesn't pay a cent. Fo other routine visits, you have to pay a "ticket", but the amount you pay for a ticket is calculated based on how much money your family earns per year, something I find very fair: this also applies to public university, which is why everyone can afford higher education. I know that sometimes you have to wait a long time for routine check-ups, but overall I wouldn't trade my health care system at all.

[@alessandrofilippi9396]

Si be tu dici che il nostro sistema è ottimo, potrebbe avere una enorme potenzialità, ma non viene sfruttato perché come tutti i servizi pubblici in Italia, dietro ce gente che ci mangia

[@Simon1279.]

Beh in Emilia Romagna niente da dire contro all' AUSL, anzi........

[@AnCaliban]

Sì, ma se in Italia c'è forse qualcuno che ci mangia (ed è illegale), in America (dove è quasi tutto privato) è addirittura previsto dalla legge che ci mangino. Non è propriamente la stessa cosa.

[@mantide07]

Ho subito un'operazione e ho pagato solo una radiografia! Per avere una visita è vero puoi aspettare anche mesi ma costa in base al tuo reddito, è questa la cosa importante in Italia si paga in base al proprio reddito, ed è anche per questo che abbiamo tutta questa evasione, ma è un altro discorso. Un paese che ha la sanità gratuita può già considerarsi un paese civile.

[@Kenar.E]

you know what's the sad part? i learned that we are second from you, an american youtuber, just now... we spit on our country too much...

[@albertozorzi3342]

Non hai mai visto breaking bad 😂😂

[@views-wz5kc]

e adesso siamo primi www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-20/italy-s-struggling-economy-has-world-s-healthiest-people

[@JMariano.1]

Hi Tia, big fan of your channel! Having studied in this field in the US, here is a part of what we learned. One of the reasons why the US healthcare system is so expensive is that, basically, we are funding medical innovation for the entire world. This can be either good or bad depending on your perspective. Consider a new drug. It would cost astronomically higher in the US compared to other countries, even in the EU. The US payors/insurance agencies are mostly private & segmented, and thus don't have a lot of bargaining power toward the drug companies aka Big Pharma. In countries with a universal healthcare system they can bargain for a lower price of these medicines. And in countries that are considered "poor" the people there cannot afford these meds, so in order to be in the market, the drug companies basically adjust the pricing to the willingness to pay of the local population. The drug companies just don't jack up the price for pure profit though, of which it is also an understandable component since they have shareholders, etc. They also need this revenue in order to fund Research & Development of new drugs, cures, etc. And it is really getting hard to come up with new, safe and effective drugs, and so more and more money is needed to come up with novel solutions. If there isn't any money to innovate then we won't find new cures for all these diseases. I'm glad that the US, as a whole, is rich enough to carry a huge portion of this burden for the world. But it does leave the vulnerable, and even the middle class, lacking in comprehensive/ideal health coverage. Let me know if you have questions or want me to expand further on some points!

[@misstiataylor_]

lol, it all makes sense but.... as an American that fucking sucks.

[@Doeshima]

Oh wow I didn't know this.

[@panter82]

In Italy nobody can be turnerd away from a hospital. This is the law. Even if you are an illegal immigrant. That is why I pay 50% taxes on my income..shit

[@Marco-ye7gp]

HOW MUCH DO YOU EARN? I'M ASKING JUST BECAUSE THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE IS 43% FOR EARNINGS ABOVE 75.000€.

[@camillabianchi4623]

Ciao Tia, ti seguo da poco e devo dirti che rimango molto affascinata da quello che racconti e mi piace molto come descrivi le differenze tra italiani e americani, mi raccomando continua così! Comunque come italiana ti dico anch'io che non farei a cambio con nessun altro Sistema Sanitario, anche se il video va bene così ti faccio alcune precisazioni (scusa se sarà un po' lungo): -Dal medico di base o della Mutua non paghi nulla; -Se vai al Pronto Soccorso a seconda del codice che hai pagherai la prestazione: tipo il bianco (nessuna emergenza) pagherà di più del giallo (emergenza leggermente grave) mentre il rosso (emergenza gravissima) non pagherà affatto; -Se devi farti visitare da uno specialista pagherai un ticket che varia dalla fascia di reddito o di età, oppure sarai esente se hai quella determinata patologia (esempio: gli esami cardiologici se hai avuto un infarto non si pagano); -Se vai da uno psicologo all'ospedale pagherai il ticket, mentre se vai privatamente pagherai la prestazione intera; -Se invece vai da uno psichiatra non pagherai nulla perché passa tutto il Sistema Sanitario Nazionale; -Oramai anche le Cliniche private sono convenzionate col Sistema Sanitario Nazionale; -Gli esami del sangue/cardiogramma/TAC/radiografie/etc. in genere si eseguono in centri specializzati e si pagano (i tempi sono più veloci) o altrimenti pagando un ticket meno costoso si effettuano all'ospedale (i tempi sono più lunghi); -Il dentista/l'oculista/l'oftalmologo/il ginecologo e simili se si va da privati o nei centri specializzati si pagherà di più e gli esami o le visite si effettueranno più velocemente mentre se si va in ospedale i tempi saranno più lunghi ma i risultati gli stessi. In sostanza le cose le paghiamo lo stesso ma meno rispetto all'andare da un privato, ma molto spesso la qualità delle prestazioni è uguale non cambia da privato o ospedale, e comunque con la tessera sanitaria qualunque prestazione medica privata e qualunque farmaco certificato possiamo scaricarlo dalla dichiarazione dei redditi per recuperare un percentuale delle spese sostenute 😉.

[@Faustobellissimo]

It's not a question of better or worse. It's just the result of different types of political ideologies. In the USA the capitalistic/libertarian ideology always prevailed, so the result is that everything is supposed to be paid by yourself, otherwise you're a loser and don't deserve anything. In Italy during the last century we've had several left-wing governments that have established a strong social welfare, that is still in place. But it's falling apart very rapidly: in my region nowadays we have to wait several months, or even more than a year, for a visit with the public system, so most people with urgency go to the private sector anyway: this didn't happen only 15 years ago...

[@JohnKruse]

Actually, the US system was born during WWII. There were worker shortages in the defense plants and the government didn't want bidding wars among employers. So, they implemented wage ceilings. The employers then started offering free health insurance as a benefit in order to compete for workers. As time went on, there were different efforts to nationalize health care, but the insurance and medical industries have a vested interest in keeping things as they are. Thus, Obamacare/Romneycare are attempts to reach universal care, but not get rid of the insurance companies. I lived in Massachusetts (Romneycare) and found that the system was OK, but I had good insurance through my employer. Even so, we would pay significant copays for my Italian wife's chronic health issues. She now gets excellent care in Torino. I'd say it is better than what we experienced in the US because she has a rare condition and her doctors really go the extra mile to help her and see her regularly. So, our experience has been that the Italian model has even provided better care (and we lived in Boston, one of the world's healthcare hubs). We have taken her to private providers in Italy from time to time and our experience with that has been good. For an example, one of my wife's specialists in Boston would routinely charge $4-500 per 1/2 hour visit. In Italy, we'd see a specialist and pay from 120-250 euros and the visit would be an hour and would include some follow up time. My sense is that this is because an Italian specialist doesn't have the 3-5 people working on scheduling, insurance processing, etc. They tend to work in a relatively fuss-free office with a nurse that helps with the scheduling.

[@_livoutloud]

This was actually very helpful since I need a new health insurance plan. This is also making me miss Italy a ton! I studied in Padua in 2012. Forza Italia!!!

[@andrec5933]

Non sono d'accordo su una cosa: nel video dici che non è necessario andare da privati ma praticamente per tutto è necessario andare da un privato in italia, perchè i tempi di attesa sono veramente lunghi se si va per sanità pubblica, anche al pronto soccorso spesso devi aspettare anche 5/6 ore quando hai un'urgenza! per questo praticamente qualsiasi cosa è necessaria farla da privati Per quello che hai detto riguardo alle assicurazioni italiane in qualcuna sono incluse anche le cure dentistiche, ma non ne ho mai vista una che includa la salute mentale, anche perchè qui in italia non è frequente come in america andare da psicologi e psichiatri

[@misstiataylor_]

+Andrea Comelli ma sai una cosa... Anche da noi devi aspettare molte ore al pronto soccorso e sei vuoi vedere psichiatri (in addition to a psychologist) ci vuole un mese o più per avere un'appuntamento

[@intersezioni]

ahahah Tia ti ha Fregato! Volevi fare l' Italiota che si lamentava ma non ci sei riuscito! ahahah

[@andrec5933]

intersezioni no, non è per fare "l'italiota" (che poi non so che parola sia), ma Tia Taylor non solo al pronto soccorso, anche se , per esempio, devo fare un semplice esame di routine, spesso devo attendere 1 anno o anche 15 mesi!! Per questo anche in italia è necessario avere un'assicurazione sanitaria.

[@Caprimulgodellaselva]

non ha detto una cosa sbagliata... che problemi hai?

[@intersezioni]

Dipende da regione e regione. L'assistenza sanitaria e' di competenza regionale, da me funziona o per lo meno e' accettabile. Pensa che mia madre si ruppe un braccio e fece una visita in ospedale, firmo' per uscire ma dopo qualche giorno fu chiamata perche' era tutto pronto per essere operata. Tutto gratis e in una settimana fu dimessa. Tutto senza spendere soldi e senza attese bibliche, dalla rottura del braccio alle dimissioni dall'ospedale passarano meno di 2 settimane

[@meDi850]

Love your videos Tia! So interesting, informative and always makes me reflect on things.

[@nandostx]

In Netherlands is the same shit as in us I pay 1200€yr for just the family doctor. All the rest you pay the awful thing is that exams cost a lot, normal blood ex 40€ spirometry 180€ and the doctors are pushed by insurance companies to prescribe only paracetamol! Is it like this also in US? I guess Italian system is too socialist to be accepted by a country like US where the public sector has almost disappeared.

[@Itnecap]

really ??? I didn't know it was that bad :|

[@classicaltempo2013]

Psychoterapy is free too, but you most likely have to pay for it. That's because public psychoiterapists are likely around 2% of the total, so you most probably have to go to a private one, that you have to pay of course. Also public therapists have so much work to do, if you need a high frequency therapy (one or two times a week), they cannot provide it and they will send you to a private one.

[@vickidvorak5819]

Healthcare in the US is abominable. Healthcare is NOT a privilege for the rich. Obamacare is not perfect. It needs some work for sure. But let's improve instead of just trashing it altogether. Good video!

[@g.leegander]

Your point is well taken about considering how other countries do things regarding health and medical care. What about health practices or hospitalization in Switzerland or Japan. Many countries are much older than we are and we should likely be checking them out.