Ithelia And Why I Think She Doesn't Work

I was very disappointed with this one, it had a lot of promise, but they really fumbled it. Ohhh well, at least I got to go back and listen to Sotha Sil again :)
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[@Fossillord]

So they Jyggalaged Meridia

[@DagothDaddy]

The womb tattoo makes me think she is just OC they really wanted in game. She could have worked if it was more CODA than MCU multiverse exploration.

[@Barcock_]

She is some ESO developer's OC

[@jigthh]

More like some ESO developer's 12 year old kid's OC who they added into the game.

[@NinjasticFlare]

If I had a nickel for every time a forgotten Daedric Prince was too dangerous to be left to their own devices I’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice.

[@jigthh]

Yeah this video just sums it up perfectly. They didn't think this one through when they came up with this storyline, plus Ithelia looks like a crackhead. Her design also reeks of "OC don't steal." It's like they did the Kirkbride psychedelic trip and threw every idea they had into one addon but they didn't piece everything together properly. The only thing missing from my Bingo card was mixing the Dwemer's disappearance into this addon. Anyways next TES is still probably going to be coming out in 5+ years and they drop bombs like this. I am not feeling hopeful for the future.

[@gourmand3]

Ithelia contradicting established lore is pretty spot on for her ability as the changer of fates. Nothing is established anymore because everything can change now. It's like her ability is to retcon anything. No wonder Mora hated her lol. I like her.

[@Haru-spicy]

it's based off of a misunderstanding of the lore. daedra are able to change, but they're not able to create, they only imitate the mundus.

[@letsdothisshiat1162]

We got a new daedric prince but no one talks about out her because her story and writing sucks

[@DuskEx]

they could have just made an expansion around jygglag and be done with it

[@grzegorzflorek5623]

15:00 - That's nothing new. Even in Daggerfall there were books from the future. One of the bigger lore masters on YT said a while back in a video that this was because of Hermaeus Mora. I don't remember which one said it, though.

[@venepskeuten9206]

eso does have an astounding ability to make even the most esoteric of lore feel mundane

[@applebees563]

I’m surprised Todd Howard didn’t intervene to prevent this cringe, like he did when zenimax said they wanted to explore the disappearance of the dwemer

[@Bing-Bong731]

Nice, I was hoping you'd talk about this

[@AnActualGoose]

I think the idea of her character is awesome; the comparison of shattered glass and the unraveling of events in seemingly random patterns is SUCH a cool comparison. It just sucks that everything else is so… mid. She’s the daedric prince of paths, her whole domain is supposed to be the meddling and controlling of fate; so why is she also a character in all of the multiverses??? Isn’t she supposed to be in charge of that?? I guess it could be explained with the meddling of Hermaeus Mora and the other princes, that her erasure caused her to lose control over her domain. I really like your idea of her being the prince of defiance; I think that would fill the holes relating to Akatosh, and it could make for some seriously interesting lore and storylines. It supports the idea of the other princes supporting her erasure, and it would make some really cool conflicts between all of them (especially Jyggalag & Sheo. Imagine that lol) They could also really tie in some cool lore about Dragonbreaks in there, too. Like they’re the result of her meddling and caused Akatosh to step in?? It could be supporting lore for linear timeline errors, and another reason why the other princes are against her. Ithelia, Daedric Prince of Defiance & Dragonbreaks?? Would have been SO much cooler than…. whatever this is.

[@vamp1248]

(I am writing through Google translator, if something is wrong, it is not my fault) The only way to fix this is to simply say that Sheogorath decided to have fun and sent “dreams” to some dremora, and then pretended to be Ithelia. Due to the fact that this is an insoluble problem, the multiverse is impossible in the Elder Scrolls lore, because it simply contradicts the physics of the world. If they don’t know about this, then they don’t know the lore of the game they are creating, and if they know and still want to push the multiverse simply because it is in Marvel and DC, then everything is even worse. I'm afraid that with the next expansion things will get even worse.

[@RahamaLaham]

I'm surprised that this "dlc" (and calling it that is generous of me) doesn't end with a handwritten note that says: "Note: Ithelia died on the way back to his home planet"

[@moccalotus]

Hi, I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for the vigilant vids. Watched a bunch more after finding that one. Now I eagerly await the next. Keep it up my guy🔥

[@caduluzan]

I was shocked by how terrible this writing was. I just finished all the quests about 10 minutes ago and... DUDE... THAT CHARACTER REEKS OF FANFICTION! I was expecting something more respectful of the land of Varen, something that would clarify what happened to Clivia Tharn, provide insights into the leaders of the three alliances, and touch on other classic aspects of Colovian culture. But dude... they used all their creativity on Shalidor's wife's scribing quests, giving all the "gold" of the personality to those animal-like creatures; and the "Scooby-Doo-like" quest (where we can't even think and choose the suspects, because the quest solves the mystery for us). What do we get? A band of Wood Elves claiming Ayleid ancestry! IN COLOVIA! The only good things about this DLC are the map, the items, and the gameplay in general. It's perfect for players who just skip the dialogues and go after the items, but it's a real eyesore for those who were expecting more from this promise. Necrom wasn't perfect, but at least we got some Dunmer culture and Vaermina's passionate struggle to overcome Mora, Peryite followers, and Torvesad.

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

Firstly gotta confess- never played ESO, likely never will because I'm too busy :( but I'm always interested in what new ideas come out (who really think we plays these games for years upon years just for the gameplay?) Also to preface nothing here is cannon if you don't like it ;) It's so strange that they did a multiverse story within Elder Scrolls. Kalpa does not seem to be the exact same thing as multiverse. A multiverse is self contained (apart from those travelling between them) whilst Kalpas seem to string along from each other, both concurrently and consequently to each other- hence the Umaril's father emerging from a previous Kalpa, or how the Hist (and possibly Dwemer and Falmer, but that mostly head-theory/cannon( and no not because Dwemer were super advanced or anything)) arrived from another kalpa, or Lyg and that is let alone the time broken Dawn age where time looping back on itself is the sanest part of this time. The universe already has the mechanics in place to do stories about traversing Kalpas, yet instead we get silly multi-universe that contradicts the ideas of Kalpa. Mortals can traverse Kalpas, but only lineally (They can jump down the rope to the next kalpa, but there is no indication whatsoever of side stepping time into different kalpas within the ES universe), this seems to be because every mortal being is bounded by time and therefore has no other way to travel it but to fall down. Also I have to agree with you on her sphere, again this is what I can glance from the internet but it just seems all to covered already by other princes. Personally there are already too many daedric princes encompassing too many similar themes, Boethiah and Mephala, Vaermina and Namira etc so to add ever more similar princes feels kind of redundant and from an outsider feels more like a wooshy bit of marketing over "A NEW MYSTERIOUS DAEDRA"... eh but I'm probably just too dumb to understand or something. A more inspired story with these concepts could include a dead Lovecraftian like entity from a dead kalpa, maybe the dead sea god of the elder scrolls, who's carapace was stolen by Mr H Mora and is left to drift the edges of Nirn until one is worthy of giving their body to him. IDK Could still make him entity of paths or whatever wishy washy thing they wanted, in fact a dead god from a dead kalpa might be more knowledgeable on dead paths, idk again. Now give me 20,000₫ or your social credit number.

[@trainson7]

she looks like a modern woman cosplaying as an OC anime character. there was no need for a completely new never before seen or mentioned antagonist with bs ad hoc asspull shoehorning when the other daedric princes could be fleshed out more. Bethesda can't stop taking Ls.

[@patrickoeary1425]

I mean in fairness meridia and noctornal also just look like women in cosplay... just one is making HEAVY use of double sided tape.

[@galenargyros4082]

I had no idea Ithelia was supposed to be a Magne-ge but that would make her Meridia's sister in a way, Both Meridia and Ithelia were worshiped by the wild elves so they were princes at the same time. That would mean that Ithelia's own sister turned on her and they didn't even touch on that?

[@HeilSol]

17:46 I'd disagree, and say that it's the prime reason ESO (and TES since ~Oblivion) is bad writing, if not bad gameplay.... Simplifying, dumbing down, etc... is not something Tolkien did, and look how popular he is. Why shouldn't TES be the same? With 'deep lore' that more or less ensures the exclusivity of its fanbase and interest. Why is mainstream appeal desirable, as a fan? From a marketing perspective, sure, but that's never a good thing for an actual consumer, much less a fan, to care about when it comes to a creative property. TESlore has been increasingly ignored, and simplified/streamlined now for about 15 years. So, those who are into it now? are the 'nu-crowd'.... it's always going to be trite and shallow, perhaps it always was, though I don't think so. The saddest thing is the potential of the lore vs. its execution / apologists. Why thank someone whose actively made you dumber, chopped down your trees and then demanded payment?

[@chrisdiokno5600]

TBF, I can get why. Its because "generic fantasy" sells more. IE generic European fantasy with knights and dragons and princesses, etc. Plus from a gameplay standpoint, I can also get it. Traversing through an open world jungle would be a pain in the ass, and make lower end PCs/Laptops and even older consoles lag.

[@MoongemVAA]

I was stoked for Ithelia too, and while it sucks to hear they were handled poorly here, I want to see what mods for Skyrim and ESVI do with them. An MMO intro doesn't seem to be the best way to introduce a new Daedra, but I love the idea of the new daedra.

[@kuanyu1420]

you didn't think you were the only one -- she was the first -- starborn!

[@SharmatLorkhan]

Daedra can't change! Molag as the king of dreughs - hold my beer 😅

[@nikolamanojlovic3764]

I don't play the game but I hoped we would get more magne ge lore similar to nine Coruscations, that was a cool text

[@Squid_Online]

I'm just confused about the Magna Ge becoming a daedric prince thing. Not that it's not possible (since this is what Meridia is) but to my knowledge the difference between the two is basically a formality and becoming a daedric prince wouldn't really be an "upgrade".

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

Seriously, multiverse is the last thing this franchise needs. God knows Marvel went to shit after they introduced it.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

I mean, Marvel always had a multiverse.

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

@@chrisdiokno5600 multiverse has never appeared in Marvel before the infinity saga. And to account for that in-universe, we got He Who Remains.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@jonaszpawlacz756 I mean in the comics

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

@@chrisdiokno5600 oh, my bad, I meant the MCU.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@jonaszpawlacz756 Nah I was talking Marvel overall

[@liamlinson7563]

bro just release the glenmoril mod review

[@mauroquinones5145]

"draedra cant change" bruh compare the Daedric Princes in Skyrim to how they're shown in other games (or portrayed in lore) and Sheogorath + Meridia + Barnabas literally had character development. Admitedly it could just as easily had been a roll of the dice thing and they just woke up on the right side of bed that century (plus Sheo is *technically* a different guy) IN THEORY i like the concept of new daedric princes, but i would have preferred if it was one the players just never met before bc they cared more for oblivion than nirn- because that'd expand the vastness of oblivion as a dimension and all that. But yeah this whole multiverse thing wasnt very well done also on the jungle question at this point, this far along, i just decided that Tiber retroactively unjungled the place with his Royalty because its the coolest option tbh

[@deadsoul7409]

Daedra are the literally the concept of change and non stasis, they're padomayic in nature. They will keep changing and molding until the dragon eats it's own tail

[@aryess6807]

I have always considered the princes to be more like weather, yes weather ebb's and flows and changes everyday but for the most part it is predictable. The princes never stray far from their concepts, Uncle Sheo will always be crazy and Molag Bal will always be a c word, a thunder storm will always be a thunder storm no matter what part of the world it is at. This is what made Jyggalag so powerful he could put a tornado in a box and put it on his shelf all neat like because he was static and unchanging so strict in his concept.

[@nikolamanojlovic3764]

@@deadsoul7409 I think it was more related to their nymics and how they are bound to certain roles in the universe - "Daedra are bound by their Nymics, and cannot change beyond their nature. As Daedra reconstitute exactly as according to their Nymic if they are destroyed, Nymics can be thought of as a pattern or formula that defines the being created when it manifests itself from the eternal chaos of Oblivion. Daedra fear the possibility of an enemy learning their Nymic, and guard them preciously"

[@Copiumgold]

Yeh it's really lack luster, my 1st thought was wow she looks weird. The Scribing quest line has been better than the main story

[@yigitdemir3723]

2 Cotho videos in one week????? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ZayneLion-xv3fe]

1 minute and I am early

[@therogueserafim271]

Ithelia shmethelia

[@obergefreiterhack647]

Ithelia is a man Baby!

[@dragonlordplacidusax9413]

Many paths is a fine concept. Multiversity already existed with Shadow magic. She "doesn't work" because she pretty much stole your Jygalag's spot as the biggest daedric threat. Rest is Elder Scrolls fandom's nostalgia for their favorite prince.

[@dragonlordplacidusax9413]

What even is jygalag? Anui-el's cheap knock off? Greymarch is like a dark brother hood fanclub for anuiel. Aka oversoul is far more crucial to Anui-el's the concept of order. Time & space. Aka and Lorkhan are the only inheritors of these concepts. Not jyg.

[@Varil92]

The Elder Scrolls lore is too big and a complete mess at this point