The Lelit Bianca V3 vs. Profitec Pro 700 - $3000 Espresso Machine Showdown!

In today’s video I’m comparing the Lelit Bianca V3 which is a dual boiler, PID enabled, flow controllable espresso machine to the Profitec Pro 700 - which is also a dual boiler, PID enabled, and optionally flow controllable espresso machine.
Which one is the right one for you?
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[@garrystr]

In the UK the Profitec is over £2000 and you will need to add £200 for flow control and a bottomless porta filter is additional cost if you want one, the Bianca is £1750 all in. I suspect I can make bad coffee with either as it is my special talent 😂

[@tgwilkinson12]

Where did you find the Bianca for £1750? Sounds like a great price! Black or white ones seem to be £2500 in most places

[@chenzhang19]

@@tgwilkinson12 In China the official price is below $1500

[@ArashHazeghi]

I have been using Bianca v2 for a while. It’s a great machine fit and finish is great on mine and it’s build like a tank. I especially like the mesh drip tray cover and the matching cup elevator as well as the round corners. The main advantage of Bianca is the fact that water tank can be placed on the side so it fits on the narrow countertops. No other machine would fit in the space I have but this one does. Filling the water tank would have been impossible if the tank was on the back but it’s much easier on the side. The drip tray is huge and only needs to be emptied once every two weeks which is also a plus. It also comes with a great bottomless portafilter. Any machine with PID and dual boiler will pull an excellent shot at the price point so it comes down to size looks and features.

[@jkline999]

Ditto. Just got the bianca-- very happy that one can move the water tank. My biggest peeve with the machine are the steam/hotwater knobs-- way too much play before they turn on.

[@htklun]

The real head-to-head matchup I’m waiting for is Lelit Mara X vs Profitec Pro 400. These are both “advanced” compact heat exchanger machines

[@Lunaorbit82]

Yes exactly this has been my interest for 2 months. Someone needs to do a detailed comparison.

[@AnotherAnonymousMan]

This comparison really should take price into consideration for the machines.

[@Yirgamalabar]

I never used the Profitect and I do own a Bianca V3, but I'd assume another minor advantage that Pro 700 has is a functional middle lever position. The Bianca lever clicks in that position, but it doesn't actually function like other E61 machines, where the pump stops and pressure is held in the grouphead (useful when backflushing and when doing very long pre-infusion). With that said, I wouldn't choose the Profitec for this one minor advantage and see more benefit in the Bianca V3 pre-infusion and low flow features. Too bad they're a bit immature and underdeveloped. My hunch is that the V4 will fully utilize programmable pressure profiles via an app, a la Decent machines.

[@platinumdynamite]

Actually, it's possible to tweak the internals to make the middle-lever position functional.

[@Yirgamalabar]

@@platinumdynamite yes, I know and I did it several months after writing this comment. It's very odd that Lelit Support insisted that there's no such option in the Bianca.

[@platinumdynamite]

@@Yirgamalabar How has the Bianca been behaving for you? Looking to upgrade from a Silvia. Torn between the Bianca and the Profitec 700 Pro/Drive.

[@Yirgamalabar]

@@platinumdynamite I'm overall very happy with it. I wrote a detailed review about it in Home Barista forum and updated it several times, including about adjusting to enable the middle lever position. Search for "Bianca V3 wordy impressions".

[@tedymaen588]

In indonesia, you can get bianca v3 for usd 2600 while p700 cost about usd 3200 without flow control addons. V2 cost about 200 less if you dont need the new feature. So no brainer which one to choose.

[@curvebodyboardshop2052]

Got the Bianca from Kawa coffee store in Bali. Loving it 💯💯💯

[@rolandlickert2904]

Looking at Elisabet or Maria X which is in my budget. Elisabeth is perhaps not great looking but has lots of options .Was considering the Bezzera BZ12 as well same price range however the finishing could be better.Congratulation on your Bianca.

[@anotherguycalledsmith]

@4:56 With ECM and Profitec machines, this should be the orange light that you dislike so much. That is, if you feel better about (not being active), it is time to refill the water ;-) I agree with you that it is rather subtile, but nothing can happen - apart from not working at all. I absolutely would love to have an acoustic warning in addition to the non-active orange lamp in case of lacking water…

[@abrahamvargas2010]

Using the channeling shot footage in the final video is the level of confidence I strive to be at lol Great video - always love your content!

[@justins6412]

Please don't say "no money exchange hands" when you've been given a $3,000 machine. While technically true, it is VERY misleading and the idea of impartiality is no "money or thing of value" was exchanged. You can't get away with paying off an official by buying them a house and then claiming no money changed hands. I am NOT implying you're not putting out a fair review. But stating this sentence like this is flat out misleading. You can state it more truthfully and still put out a solid review. Maybe something like "I was given this machine by the manufacturer, but there was no implicit requirement for a positive review". Just a tip. But for me if it seems like a reviewer is trying to cover it up it just makes me trust the review less. But be upfront :)

[@blingbling2001]

"This channel has no sponsors .." ... ROFL

[@anotherguycalledsmith]

@3:42 No actually, you are supposed to lift it all up together leaving the cups in place… ;-)

[@seihyuni]

Great side by side comparison. Hope to see you review the ECM synchronika one day!

[@naf4361]

P700 and Synchronika is the exact same machine. Only difference is the p700 doesn't have the joystick steam wands and chrome e61 lever. Synchronika owner myself.

[@seihyuni]

@@naf4361 thanks for the insight!

[@crackhead187]

You don't have to remove the top lid to get to the water tank on the synchronika.

[@geokosp7954]

I heard that synchronism has weaker steam

[@mogopher1506]

I am hesitating to purchase one of those machines. The only concern is the material quality . I heard that profitec is higher in quality perspective. Is that true? if Yes, how much the difference? is it noticeable? Many thanks for the video content, keep going!

[@johnp.1460]

Helpful comparison review. The convenience features on the Bianca are interesting, but I can’t get past the shoddier build and materials quality.

[@itsxris]

honestly the build differences arent to the point where its detrimental to the machine, still good - just not as good

[@damianmb5]

@@itsxris what about the internal components? Thanks for the comparison

[@man-hongwong8932]

Thanks for the great comparison! Considering pulling the trigger on the Lelit. Is the code for the free Lunar scale still valid on C&P?

[@itsxris]

It is! use code XRIS and add the Lunar to your cart as well

[@Sinkadusen93]

Is the profitec 700 quieter than the Lelit Bianca? Also do you have experience with brewing multiple shots back to back on both machines? I saw in another review of the Lelit that it needs 3-4 minutes when doing +2 shots. Is that your experience too?

[@gordon2875]

Only thing that profited win is build, a least the material that you don't usually interact with.

[@gigi9467]

To me there is no comparison, profitec wins, when doing my research the quality and reliability of the profitec could not be beat, i have the synchronika which is the fancier brother to this pro 700 and the levers on my ecm are a god Send.

[@Kats072307]

I feel lucky for my choice of Lelit Bianca v3. It's a beast. And I don't mind if Italians didn't build their machine as sturdy as Germans. I was in-between Lelit and Bezzera, but Bezzera has no official seller and support in my country

[@sohailhines]

Fantastic comparison but had expected a taste test at the end :)

[@inquisitivecoffee]

When the orange light turns off for the profitec, that's when you need to fill it. Not sure wife that counts as a "full sign"

[@M19998]

would like to see the rocket r58 cinquantotto thrown in the mix. Any plans to review that one compared to these two?

[@ryanlynn328]

REALLY really helpful review for someone who is in the market for a prosumer machine. The little bits like the Bianca giving you a notice when you are low on water, vs. the Pro 700 that only has it on some machines is really nice to know. That's helpful for someone like me that will probably end up having a cabinet above the machine, so refilling the water tank could really be a pain on something other than the Bianca. I'm actually comparing the Bianca v3 vs. the ECM Synchronika currently, and I imagine the Pro 700 is effectively the same as the ECM, so the Bianca wins on that aspect. Also hearing about the steam lever on the Rocket that scratches the front panel - very nice thing to note!

[@danz1100]

Nice comparison! But between Bianca and Profitec pro 800 which one would you choose, and why?

[@z00011001]

You should mention the power rating along with steam rating. To me more power means trouble for wiring esp since I never use steam crap.

[@abdallahhazaz3697]

I am so confused about what I should get between these 2; a machine in this price range should last for 5-10 years at least 1- Could Lelit Bianca survive for that long? 2- How is the quality inside the Lelit?

[@docdailyfitnesshealth9885]

This is a Good question! Opinions? Thanks

[@abdulrahmansalemaljaberi3274]

Nice video, I just want to ask how did you connect the lelit bianca to your phone?

[@alexf7956]

Debating between the two right now. What’s the approximate heat up time for each machine?

[@wrxzboost]

also interested to know. i think the lelit would be the perfect machine, but no mention of an app or built in timer, which is a shame.

[@alexf7956]

@@wrxzboost I have the lelit Bianca on a 220v plug. Heat up time is approximately 10-15 minutes if on standby mode

[@annameowwwwww]

@@wrxzboostYou can attach a smart plug so it’s ready to use when you need it. It connects to wifi and you can control it with your phone

[@wrxzboost]

@@annameowwwwww thank you for this tip. looked into it and that looks to be the shortcut!

[@the_blue_button6945]

What poratfilter is he using in this video? (with red accents) Thanks in advance.

[@micy9614]

Has anyone came up with mods in terms of the status lights like the ones on the Profitec? I quite like the ring light style on the lelit. Imagine if there is one that comes without a button and can be retrofitted to all other espresso machines.....

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

How does it compare to the Quickmill Vetrano 2B Evo and Rocket machines?

[@jaredburns5379]

Blanket claims about the Bianca having a lesser build quality were made a couple of times in this video, but no evidence was given to support that claim. There’s more attention to detail on the Profitec? Please share those details. I was really disappointed by this aspect of the comparison.

[@martijnhendriks6659]

He points out the thinner pannels, panel gaps and uneven finish. Did you even watch the video?

[@lighto999]

Does Bianca padle 4 flow work on any e61 group head?thx! great vids

[@ColorTR]

hi, what the portafilter name or company

[@JonneytheKidd]

link to the Lelit does not work?

[@rxonmymind8362]

Can someone answer honestly how a $500 machine with a pid at 93 degrees and 9 bars makes less of an espresso than a $3,000 machine with a pid at 93 degrees and 9 bars? What am I missing here?

[@mannyr8795]

Should we be worried about Lelit build quality??

[@penga25]

Any leads in where to get a black Bianca v3. I see it on the lilet website but nowhere else?

[@hussainmahmoud7881]

Mid October in Europe

[@DeanCampbellusa]

Clive Coffee

[@ekek888]

you did not compare the price of the machine as tested.

[@checkoverstripes1464]

can this two handle at least 100 cups a day?

[@platinumdynamite]

Probably capable, but not really the intended use. You should probably look at something a little more fit for purpose like a La Marzocco GS3.

[@glennbishop-smith9957]

The Profitec will indeed tell you when it wants water. The orange light at the lower left corner of the front panel will go out and the machine will shut down. Pour water in, and voila. You’re making coffee again.

[@alexwolfe2421]

Is the code still active? It’s not working for me.

[@itsxris]

it is not right now but will return in the future

[@marylandflyer5670]

Profitec all the way.

[@EricB03]

Nice videos you have been posting. Any reason you never got a decent?

[@itsxris]

these machines were sent to me while I'd have to pay full price for a Decent - but maybe in the future I'll go for it!

[@EricB03]

@@itsxris good for you. Still rocking last 2+ years a cafelat robot paired with forte bg and bellman. Great combo for me but at times I would rather press a button even though zero maintenance the way I am setup. Keep up the good content.

[@NoQuinn]

@@itsxris Hello, wich one is decent for u ? So i can purchase him :)

[@licksta611]

One very important point you missed is the reliability of the machines. The Profitec is well engineered and built and has a great reliability record over the last twenty years. (Ck Whole Latte Love), the Lelit is fairly new so there isn’t much reliability history. Just another point to consider.

[@z00011001]

Water tank alone is a big deal. Plastic near heat is strictly no no

[@checkwhatsleft4565]

These are all the same flat profile machines and really not much to say about it, especially in 2022, not high end whatsoever, flat profile machine.

[@tylerdevore6520]

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[@itsxris]

its for Cliff & Pebble :)

[@tylerdevore6520]

Thanks for the reply and clarification! I rewatched a few times initially, but had trouble catching it. Unfortunately the starting price of machines at Cliff and Pebble are out of my budget. I ordered a Cafelat Robot after careful consideration earlier this week. (Was going to refund and change who I was ordering from) Regardless thanks for all you do in the world of espresso!

[@itsxris]

happy to hear :)