Ivan WAS Terrible! - Worst Dads in History - Extra History

[@extrahistory]

Keeping family gatherings weird since the 1500's

[@THECHEESELORD69]

Idk what your talking about this is actually one of the best case scenarios for something like this, yeah his son is dead but no civil war am I right?

[@guylikesbananas3986]

😮❤😮😂😮😂😮❤😢😂😢😂😮❤😮🎉😮❤ hoookigreeee

[@jasanlegaspi9843]

Is that the bite of 87

[@theoutlook55]

😂

[@angelhare8374]

Make familys wierd again

[@bigbuba5212]

That painting has forever engraved itself into my deepest self, and I appreciate just how horrifying it is

[@Funspace_Random]

696 with no reply cool

[@wolfbad512]

If u want a painting that gives similar feeling look up the painting of the dutch prime minister being eaten I found that to be much more haunting and it makes it worse when you realize he wasn't too bad

[@bigbuba5212]

@@wolfbad512 The Netherlands these days is so peaceful that I keep forgetting that happened, which explains why the current prime minister acts so nice and kind

[@wolfbad512]

@@bigbuba5212 they don't have a prime minister atm and the new one that's going into power is racist lol

[@iwanvandenberge5994]

​@@wolfbad512im Dutch and he is fucking amazing geertje voor de win😂

[@louthegiantcookie]

That painting is so moving. Nothing else I've ever seen so succinctly captures the horror of an action you can NEVER take back. For all Ivan's cruelty, it actually makes me pity him.

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

Have you ever seen Francisco Goya's painting of Saturn? It's right up there in the horror-category.😳

[@fuhulatugan]

@@ItcouldbebunniesEating your own son out of fear that they will overthrow you is just horrible

[@sidneyswope3000]

What is the painting called?

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

@@sidneyswope3000 I'm baffled by your question. Typing 'Francisco Goya Saturn' into your search engine is more than enough to lead you straight to the painting in question. Don't look it up if you're a child though, because you can never unsee it.

[@maddie9602]

I looked it up, and damn, that's a powerful painting

[@spencerleifeld7517]

"But this is Russia, where there are no happy endings." -Perun

[@heiskanbuscadordelaverdad8709]

If depression was a coutry, it would be Russia

[@florians9949]

Russian history in à nutshell “then things got worst”.

[@RandomYT05_01]

How Russia has even survived as a Nation I have no idea.

[@intergrafwielki2949]

@@RandomYT05_01 easy-evil and terror, lots of it

[@ruinhem]

@@RandomYT05_01 We tend to have no idea about things we don’t study, I don’t know what else to say. Just study history then you will.

[@duskgaming18]

Bro ended his entire bloodline in 2 moves. First causing his daughter in law to miscarry, and then killing his own son

[@emilybarclay8831]

He did have another son who lived to adulthood, succeeded him as Tsar and had a daughter, but that daughter died as a baby

[@CharlestonChica]

​@@emilybarclay8831So dude still pruned his own branches on his family tree.

[@ahmedalsalahi2434]

@@CharlestonChicanot really since you prune plants to encourage them to grow bigger he just straight up cut the tree down and threw one of the seeds somewhere.

[@michaelpetras1613]

Why god made some brains

[@luciusartorius3437]

He didn't kill his son

[@stormdog9169]

That tragic irony. Save Dad's life only to have him kill you later.

[@blueStarKitt7924]

Yeah!😡🤬😔

[@ailema9852]

You and your child to be. He killed his entire dynasty

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

Over something trivial!

[@АндрейСоловьев-х9ю]

Well, I think having a paranoid psychopath as a dad is already tragedy

[@luciusartorius3437]

Most historians agree he didn't kill his son

[@webkeeper]

An important note about this is that he was slowly poisoned by arsenic. By doing it slowly, you cause madness. Historically he was a brat as a child, but with the help of a monk he changed, but this is not something that people controlling him as a child wanted, so they poisoned him.

[@angelparrilla2068]

Thought it was treatment with mercury.

[@webkeeper]

@@angelparrilla2068 never heard of this.

[@angelparrilla2068]

@@webkeeper thats what i read on like some book... like 12 years ago, maybe i was wrong or misremebering the actual person. Lemme google. Thats... huh. He got syphillis and was treated with mercury for it, the odd thing was him getting syphillis. He usually reads like an overbearing zealot, so... wondering how he caught it.

[@retii5047]

He was heavily abused in his childhood by people who thought to control country through him so he also pretty sure had some trauma that made his character even worse.

[@Ch50304]

@@retii5047 oh no, yes that wil do it. Untreated trauma can make some people mad.

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Just looked up the painting. "Dear god what have I done...?!" comes to mind when viewing it

[@michaellagrange6634]

I've often described the painting as Haunting, its amazing how much raw emotion the artist was able to display.

[@andrewklang809]

Just another Tuesday for Ivan.

[@themilkman6969]

whoopsie doodles

[@ПаніПончик]

That face when you have killed off one of your possible heirs, and your favorite one at that and the child of your first and favorite dead wife.

[@Z3r0Sk83r]

It's crazy to think it was and still is considered controversial. Apparently there's a movement in the Eastern Orthodox church to canonize Tsar Ivan as a Saint.

[@chibiboi2847]

Ivan the Terrible: DEAR GOD, WHAT HAVE I DONE!?- The painter nearby: noooow hold that pose please... give me real puppy eyes, your Imperial majesty.

[@redclayscholar620]

Makes me think of Mel Brooks History of the World. "This is no good. All I got are tha backs. If ya wanna be in the picture everybody gotta get up and go to the otha side of that table."😂

[@stephenlawrence554]

seeing that the painting was created nearly 300 years after the event actually happened, he would've been holding that pose for a looooong time

[@chibiboi2847]

@@stephenlawrence554 Paint takes a while to dry

[@Dumbsourplum]

unironically though, imagine how much the real sight must have been ingrained into the painters head to be able to paint like that

[@chuckmcluckin6082]

​@@chibiboi2847 Yeah, that's probably it

[@rekalir]

Fun fact: the painting was on display at the museum for only a week People considered it cursed and tried to destroy it several times

[@Z3r0Sk83r]

Ah, but it goes deeper than that! Despite what people are echoing here, Ivan the Terrible is actually *incredibly* important to both Russian Nationalists and the Russian sect of the Eastern Orthodox Church. I can't remember the details verbatim but it's something to the effect of Ivan being a proxy to Jesus Christ.

[@HannibalTorrance]

Really? Why did they think it was cursed? Did bad things happen around it or were they just unnerved by it?

[@Z3r0Sk83r]

@@HannibalTorrance I think it was also seen as giving the Tsar a bad name. iirc Ivan also has a religious significance. It'd be like a painting of Jesus Christ murdering someone.

[@MrJimheeren]

What are you talking about, it has been in the same Moscow gallery since it was sold. The Wikipedia page of this painting is almost 2000 words long. Get better at lying

[@royalmaniac5774]

@@MrJimheerenit has been routinely attacked by Russian nationalists, tho, cause it makes a figure who’s important in Russian history/culture look bad. It’s had to be repeatedly taken down for repairs/for its own safety because of this

[@nithsk]

The painter did a perfect job depicting the event. The shock on Ivan the elder, desperately grasping his son's wound and holding him as the life slips out.

[@buttergirl2499]

He not only killed his son, he killed his own legacy, the grandchild in his daughter in law

[@elduquecaradura1468]

his lineage ended there?

[@annaguryanova3514]

@@elduquecaradura1468 Yes, All the children of Ivan the Terrible eventually died before him and the Rurik dynasty ended.

[@СофьяСудоплатова-х7г]

​@@annaguryanova3514Khm, no. There was tsar Feodor after him. He himself eventually left no children but had stepbrother Dmitriy. So no, Ivan wasn't the last Ruricovich and he left a heir.

[@wildfire9280]

@@annaguryanova3514 So ultimately I guess the aristocracy succeeded.

[@iwantddie]

Hi didn't even killed his son.

[@yugoslavball1945]

You already know Ivan IV was a bad dad when he murdered his own son.

[@GelloWello]

For the crime of defending his pregnant wife which he also beat til she miscarried. Honestly talk about a failed monarch

[@shloopydoopersontheloreguy9069]

That portrait is haunting.

[@herobrinesblog]

I dont see the connection

[@ПаніПончик]

​@@herobrinesbloggood dads usually don't go murdering their children

[@somethingelseidk1035]

​@@ПаніПончикYour dad doesn't kill your siblings? Wow talk about being pampered.

[@Cinnamon19257]

When I first saw that painting, my heart dropped as I saw Ivan’s eyes. I’ve never seen something that so perfectly incapsulated the horror he must’ve felt.

[@Squiddy_land]

What is the painting

[@Squiddy_land]

The name of it

[@Cinnamon19257]

@@Squiddy_land “Ivan the terrible and his son Ivan” sorry for not replying sooner!

[@Squiddy_land]

@@Cinnamon19257 it's ok and thank you👍

[@Milk-ck1wv]

Interesting because the mf caused that pain

[@yosoydave8521]

Ah yes the "I didn't hit you that hard, pls don't tell mom" painting

[@cycloneentertainmentofficial]

lowkey funny but dark humour

[@babyvaso3855]

The "most evil" are always portrayed cartoonishly evil, my skeptisism of history only grows.

[@theultimatejack3360]

Ivan’s face in the painting is haunting. Definitely captures the realization of what he’d done.

[@miriamari9597]

Q

[@autumnblaze6267]

idk about the historical accuracy but the painting is fantastic

[@soybeen_da.animatr]

the more you look at it, the more you notice the pain in his eyes

[@zipiravira]

I googled the painting after seeing this and damn. I would very much recommend it, the eyes carry so much weight.

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

He did it in a flash of anger, only to realize , "May I be damned! I've killed my son, I've killed my son!"

[@novo121]

He is maybe a worst dad But that painting is sick ngl

[@Janvoj]

that painting is scary

[@GelloWello]

@@Janvojyeah, it captures the true insanity of him. He ended his own dynasty multiple times, and made enemies of everyone around him

[@novo121]

​@@GelloWello yeah true

[@thefirstofthelast1181]

It details the humanity in the least human of us. Even this monstrosity of flesh grieves.

[@ArkadiBolschek]

Well, it's not like he painted it himself.

[@also_arles]

If you ever plan on doing the worst moms too, I'd definitely suggest Catherine the Great's mom to start off on. 😅

[@extrahistory]

100%

[@charliefarmer4365]

Queen Victoria’s mum would be pretty high on the list too. For context, she and some other rich dude tried to make Victoria feel dependent on them so they could use her as a puppet. Victoria’s Uncle William IV (the one who took out some of the navy for a bit without telling anyone) hated them for this, and swore to live long enough for Victoria to take the throne at eighteen. Edit: Kinda explains her own parenting of her own son Albert, really.

[@akostorma3930]

What about Wu Zetian?

[@thenablade858]

Ivan and Wu Zetian (If the story about her killing her baby is true) take the cake.

[@AxolinaAxolotl]

ROXY AGAIN

[@Swift_Moon10056]

The painting truly made me cry though. It was the look of terror on the father’s face after he killed his son and all of the regret and grief.

[@korien8976]

To make this more clear. He got mad at her being in her underwear in her private quarters he just barged into.

[@YOURPAL_MAN]

That's very respectful of Ivan to do!

[@varan7099]

Нет, это не правда, в историческом сообществе в целом до сих пор ведутся споры о том убивал ли Иван своего сына, ну а про нижнее белье вообще бред

[@roringusanda2837]

😮 technically not even her underwear, just that she wasn't wearing the customary belt tied over her underdress, which superstition says is bad luck...but is probably uncomfortable to wear while pregnant. So she wasn't even in her underwear.

[@vi0let831]

Right?? Like she was just chilling in her own room bruh what's wrong with that 😭 (I mean obviously things were WAY different then but still, HE barged in on her)

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

​@@vi0let831 even back then i would assume laying in bed in your own room wearing only underwear wasnt that bad. I mean, who could see her? Her maids? Its not like she was parading around the castle naked( even then she wouldnt deserve to be beaten but my point stands)

[@atomiczombie4429]

"shook her until she miscarried" If a chanel like THIS has to phrase it like THAT, you know it was real bad

[@pieflower6419]

I know you can severely harm babies by shaking them- so I assumed that's what they meant. Are you suggesting something else- like strangling her?

[@kacperaskawski3461]

​@@pieflower6419 well in version that I read he simply punched her extremly hard in stomach.

[@dmolegend1699]

​@@kacperaskawski3461full power no holding back?

[@kacperaskawski3461]

@@dmolegend1699 I don't know, I know only that he was extremly pissed even before he saw her, so most likely yes.

[@Fairy_maigc_love]

Help he did that because she had her underwear on💀

[@ultrasuperkiller]

Would love a best dads in history one too, we need positive role models too!

[@Pedrosa2541]

Maybe Aibak, founder of Delli Sultanate, adopted father, Qazi Fakhruddin? He literally bought Aiback as a slave in Northwest Iran, and instead of treating him like a burden beast, as was the custom, he treated him like his own child and taught him to read, do math, horseback archery, religion, administration, and most importantly, kindness and humility, something that Aibak was really famous to be as a person, even as he conquered most of northen India. Can't imagine a better example.

[@CollinMcLean]

@@Pedrosa2541 Alexios Komnenos? Gave his daughter an entire hospital to administrate and she was supposedly his primary caregiver towards the end of his life.

[@thenablade858]

@@CollinMcLeanA hospital and an orphanage that could potentially house around 10,000 people. They definitely cared for eachother since she wrote a very flattering biography of his reign with The Alexiad.

[@scipioafricanus2212]

Wait a minute, Ivan *isn't* a positive role model?

[@anxiety.infected.almond]

this is true, yin and yang is key to life, balance of the good and the bad, and all the grey in between

[@harryh4h720]

Imagine being so terrible you ruined your lineage by killing your grandkids and son

[@brainybunny13]

Bro missed the point of the assignment. 😅

[@courtneysgroi5233]

He did have another son that carried the bloodline so he didn't destroy the lineage completely

[@The-jy3yq]

​@@courtneysgroi5233blud was as dumb as bricks and got no heir, letting the court femboy™, Boris Godunov, to rise to power and attempt to establish his own line of rulers notably he failed and at least -4- -4- 3 Ryurikovichs ruled after him, but you get my point

[@pinkeysherbet7249]

Proof dads have never known how to fucking knock

[@9812__]

It's their common setting

[@bettyarts5267]

Fr tho. I always locked my room because of this

[@Fayerooz-td6wg]

Not my dad or any man i've known. My dad has respect and dignity, in my culture, to just barge - especially if, but obviously not exclusively- into a females room, is extremely disrespectful. Not all dads are so careless. This sounds like an insult to your dad which i did not intend im sure hes wonderful and you love him very much but the thought of anyone being able to just do that is shocking to me.

[@RyanRCross]

Mine was the opposite. He respected my boundaries and knocked, wouldn't enter unless invited. My mom was the terrible one.

[@aarondobbs2958]

You win the internet today 😂

[@RockSpiders]

Ivan sounds like he should be the poster child for anger management ad campaign😂😂😂

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

No actually he had schizophrenia

[@RockSpiders]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg This very much checks out

[@justice8718]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg It explains why he was so mentally broken.

[@Bisexualdragon4042]

​@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg Trama and Manipulation didn't help either

[@sirshotty7689]

@@Bisexualdragon4042neither did the heavy metal poisoning.

[@ArabianPsycho_]

His son didnt even die right away He regained consciousness and said That he would die a devoted son or something along those lines before dying a few days later

[@YippeKaYay420]

It sucks how Ivan realized he killed his own son and just holds his body regretting what he did

[@BluennardSFM]

Son : *Saves his life from an assasination attempt* Father : *Kills son with his scepter over him killing his grandchild*

[@artisticsyrian]

ivan: *WHAT HAVE I DONE?!* artist: 👁️_👁️✍️

[@Murdoom]

Im so glad you recreated the painting.

[@extrahistory]

It looks so good! The artist did an amazing job!

[@ilfoxyy]

artist is Scott DeWitt

[@Murdoom]

@@ilfoxyy thanks dude!

[@Carol97085]

Anyone know what the painting's called?

[@theTeleforce]

​@@Carol97085Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan on 16 November 1581 (yes, really)

[@ПаніПончик]

I want to point out that it wasn't her underwear that offended Ivan Grozny, but the fact that his son's wife wasn't wearing a tied belt over her "rubakha" or underdress/ long shirt, which was a sign of bad luck in slavic superstition dating back to the pagan times. It probably was uncomfortable for her to wear during pregnancy.

[@CollinMcLean]

Either way... still feels a skosh disproportionate...

[@thejohnreview9650]

The joke is that this situation has never happened. According to the Russian etiquette of the time, men and women lived in opposite parts of the palace and had to arrange their meetings in advance. Under no circumstances could Ivan just meet the princess in her underwear. Not to mention that the Terrible actualy never killed his son.

[@АртурЧугай]

@@thejohnreview9650 we dont know the latter. There are many contemprary sources that claim both murder and sickness. And his skull was in too bad of a condition once discovered to confirm or dismiss the story.

[@joythought]

​@@thejohnreview9650revisionism much?

[@ajb3744]

I mean. Technically it did result in bad luck

[@abcdef27669]

The worst thing that happened to Russia during Ivan reign was the death of his first wife, Anastasia Romanova (not that one from the Don Bluth movie, obviously). After her death, Ivan just released all his insanity over anyone and anything he considered an enemy.

[@webkeeper]

His bones were examined recently. They still had traces of arsenic. Someone did everything to make him go mad by slowly poisoning him.

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

​@@webkeeperyes but he was also someone who suffered from schizophrenia if I'm not mistaken, didn't he have visions as a young child that continued throughout his life?

[@webkeeper]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg As far as I know, no. As a child he was controlled by the Boyars and they made him into a spoiled brat. Only after a monk became his teacher he turned his life around.

[@wide_s]

The wife was the only person who could calm him down ( saying this as I am Russian myself) so after her death he basically became more unhinged (?) in his actions towards other people who he did not like. Even though he was called 'Terrible' (IMO I wouldn't call him that word because its not close to the original word 'Грозный') you can't deny the fact that he was an excellent ruler to the Russian Empire. (But a bad father , sadly.) Sorry for bad grammar, my level is B2 so I may write some mistakes lol

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

@@wide_s I thought he was called the terrible bc he destroyed the oligarch?

[@Micatyty]

Bro took "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out" to a whole new level 💀

[@User-eb7my]

He took it too literally

[@fillosof66689]

He shares that infamy with one of the most popular fictional characters in Russia and Ukraine: Taras Bulba.

[@xyzen9673]

The eyes really make the painting STRIKING... Like you're there

[@professorplum3858]

That painting still haunts me. The sorrow and madness in those eyes are something I won't soon forget.

[@Kevinlikescountrys]

Imagine your dad takes you on a field trip and you just see so many people getting massacared💀

[@abcdef27669]

"See now, son? It should be a fast strike over the neck, before they got too agitated, and we don't want that, right?"

[@Pedrosa2541]

"Dad, don't you fear ending up like them someday?"

[@ArkadiBolschek]

"I didn't say what kind of field it was" :D

[@shuhratkessikbayev8886]

Ivanovich's death always reminds me of History Matter's KZbin video of Ivan the Terrible with the quote "What are you gonna do? Beat me to death with a scepter? Turns out yes."

[@nikitagukassov9781]

Guys, I think a series on Ivan the terrible would be brilliant, he was so volatile and terrible for a reason, he was made a monster by the boyars around him who poisoned his mother and his wife, pretty much they made him paranoid, unstable and cruel by their game of thrones style intrigues. I’m oversimplifying rn, but it is a very interesting topic.

[@MDZS101]

I didn’t know this was the background to the beautiful but haunting painting of Ivan and his son. What a masterpiece it is

[@denizlol149]

The first time I saw the painting I found it absolutely haunting. The artists did such a good job reflecting the regret and anguish

[@mitab1]

Ivan clearly loved his son, but being so mentally ill, his own mind was his biggest enemy, he was a danger to his loved ones, and the painting captures the pain and regret he must have felt when he realized what he had done

[@filiptod8029]

Ilya Repin's painting is amazing and i loved it since i first saw it

[@genas2]

No wonder - ukrainian artists are lovely 😊

[@Maki-u2o]

“May I be damned! I’ve killed my son! I’ve killed my son” -A direct quote from Ivan the terrible

[@thanhool]

I adore that painting, his sorrow, regret, and pain is palpable

[@MrG_-pn9fv]

Fun fact Nobody will care about: Ivan the Terrible and his son is one of my Favorite paintings

[@Mesruksi]

same

[@MrG_-pn9fv]

@@Mesruksi 🫂

[@troybaxter]

It's the most chilling painting I have ever seen. Just the look on Ivan's face as he holds his dead son.

[@trapezoid5810]

Yet, it later gave birth to one of the most emotional paintings of the Russian Realest Movement. Ilya Repin disclosed the horror in his eyes beautifully.

[@OrbitalAstronaut]

Bring out Fredrick the Great’s dad next.

[@extrahistory]

How'd you know! 😉

[@nelsonchereta816]

Well in all fairness Frederick William only beat and humiliated his son, he didn't murder him. That was for his confidant and closest friend.

[@parrase]

try to serve Ivan no survivin

[@OrbitalAstronaut]

@@extrahistory I just had a funny feeling. 😅

[@ebinshumate3132]

@nelsonchereta816 That is the ONLY credit he gets in being a father

[@kauanicolas4219]

I can only imagine how horrible must be holding your son on the brink of death knowing that you did that to him unintentionally

[@wallrider4194]

“He reportedly stuck him so hard with his Scepter, that Ivan died”

[@dominicadrean2160]

Here's a fun fact did you know Ivan the Terrible of Russia once offered Queen Elizabeth the First of England a marriage proposal I've always found that very interesting

[@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ]

That was indeed interesting. I too was quite surprised when I read of it. And what's making it even more fascinating is that this wasn't the last time something of the sort occurred: when he was still heir to the russian throne, the man who later became tsar Alexander II the liberator (1855-1881) visited England and met Victoria. The two got on so well that Alexander was willing to give up his claim to the throne to marry her. The people he had with him though convinced him otherwise

[@thenablade858]

She actually offered him sanctuary in England if the situation with the Boyars got out of hand BUT he had to pay for his own expenses. Elizabeth, like her grandfather, hated spending money.

[@BabygibsonYT]

It’s a little bit ironic, that the first tsar was the worst dad but the last one was the best dad

[@JToThE4]

"five weeks of executions" that sounds suspiciously like something

[@The_random_Georgian]

Hmmm what could it be………wait

[@andrewzamemer]

"five nights at Freddy's~"

[@SnehaKumari-ym7nv]

Searched the painting The look of pure horror and regret that screams from his eyes as he holds his dead son to his chest..... A shiver ran down my spine.

[@R4ndomVi3wer]

Aftee viewing the painting.. Just wow. The raw emotion is felt, the look on Ivan's eye, it's full of guilt..

[@Schizz76]

Horrid parenting aside, I relate to the many other commenters in now absolutely adoring this painting. It’s style immaculate (realism is king), the contrast between the mid and background compared to the subject although beautiful in their own right doesn’t take away from the main subject, and the heart wrenching look of regret and grief on Ivan the Terrible’s face along with the single tear from his son truly is a depressing scene.

[@kinman3051]

God, that painting is powerful

[@nefugy4520]

Blyat, as a Russian I wanna break such a myth. Historians made an expertise and discovered, that his son dyed not because of injuries his father did and not even in Moscow, he died during his piligramage in sergiev posad

[@BoundlessEternity_]

What is piligramage ? and is sergiev posad a place?

[@Billious]

Heh heh heh I like how you started the sentence with “Blyat”

[@skidaddleskidoodle1103]

​@@BoundlessEternity_banned on google?

[@nefugy4520]

@@BoundlessEternity_ yeah, it’s a famous Russian abbey

[@nefugy4520]

@@Billious😂 sry but I can’t handle it anymore

[@galacticpotato833]

I think that painting is engrained in everyone's mind, is so recognizable that is impossible you haven't seen it somewhere

[@TheBastardWombatKing]

That painting is the most evocative ive ever seen. I can feel him realizing the gravity of his deed. It is captured in that look.

[@carimpest]

Being possessed by anger is the biggest fear a man can have...

[@applegarth2010]

R.I.P. the dead child man. Tough times. Tough times.

[@jazmineohlhausen9831]

Ah yes because a woman lounging in her underwear while heavily pregnant is a sin and an absolute no no. With family like this who needs enemies?

[@thejohnreview9650]

The joke is that this situation has never happened. According to the Russian etiquette of the time, men and women lived in opposite parts of the palace and had to arrange their meetings in advance. Under no circumstances could Ivan just meet the princess in her underwear. Not to mention that the Terrible never killed his son.

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

​@@thejohnreview9650 no no, he was mentally unwell, both from his slow arsenic poisoning but also due to his mental illness

[@hail_karMa]

​@@thejohnreview9650 Could you please say where you got this information from? I would like to do more research on it myself

[@thejohnreview9650]

@@hail_karMa You need to read the Russian chronicles of that period and see what is actually written in them. You also need to read who told all these amazing stories about beaten pregnant wives and the tsarevich, whom Ivan either stabbed with a dagger, or stabbed with a staff, or hit with a staff, or slapped him too hard. Also read about the autopsy of the tomb of Ivan the Terrible, which was carried out in the Soviet Union in 1963, read about the results obtained after examining the bones of him and his son.

[@cmen6895]

@@hail_karMaHe has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about, so dont worry too much.

[@jokhard8137]

That needs to be an event in Crusader Kings. "Ended your bloodline in a fit of rage."

Ivan kills Ivan. Painter walks in. "Stay just like that, I'll get my stuff."

[@Onisamurai99]

I had no clue that’s where that painting came from, makes it a whole lot more tragic

[@teamofone1219]

Murdering their own son would definitely make you the worst dad.

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

It's involuntary manslaughter not murder

[@joythought]

2nd degree murder

[@Rupunzel.queen_0]

"said Ivan, trying not to be terrible." - Bill Wurtz, "history of the entire world, i guess"

[@RockLeeIsMyHusband]

I love that painting. It's one of my favorites for how deeply it conveys emotion.

[@CaucasianFreak]

His face when he killed his son is terrifying. after he killed he put his hand on his son's injury trying to save him from blood lost but failed.

[@AlbertKelway]

Can this be a series?

[@extrahistory]

We will have another one next week!

[@AlbertKelway]

The worst dad of history throwing like William, Conqueror and his kids@@extrahistory

[@venombug7476]

Pretty sure the painting of Saturn eating his children actually imortalises him as the worst dad in history.

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

No it's two different paintings

[@300fusionfall]

Smooth transition

[@extrahistory]

Thank you!

[@MrFelblood]

I normally scoff at those looping transitions, but this one was sick.

[@JamesTrifolium]

_“What are you going to do? Beat me to death with a sceptre?”_ - Local heir who got beaten to death with a sceptre.

[@arinaisababyan2623]

Ivan: *Smiling* Young Ivan: *Absolutely terriffied*

[@Cheezy-ee4er]

That painting actually captivates the Horror he probably felt in that moment really well

[@TheChampionofEnki]

Yeah and the realization setting in of what he had done.

[@HaiderAl_Ameed]

Ah yes the best bonding experience.

[@mrUFWPIRL]

Oh, so that’s why his nickname was Ivan the Terrible

[@Furrina89]

Not really. He was terrible in general

[@antikovt]

Not really, that nickname is an English mistranslation and was never used

[@im_edible]

Imagine just chilling on the couch in your underwear and then your weird stepdad comes and shakes you 💀

[@Piromysl359]

The painter who made that painting did absolutely masterful job. The Ivan's expression on it is so damn unnerving and disturbing, it perfectly encapsulates Ivan's realization of what he just did being completely irreversible and about it's consequences.

[@-jeff-]

Okay, I think you nailed it with Ivan the Terrible (Dad).

[@moereece855]

I don't know if it is fact or theory, but I heard that the worried expression on Ivan's face is actually not because of the action of killing his own son, but because he worried what the people would think, he knew he would lose the crown, and that worried him, not losing his son

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

He was mentally unwell, don't be a bigot

[@moereece855]

@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg What?

[@JcoleMc]

@@moereece855 He was slowly being poisoned which caused him to go mad

[@moereece855]

@@JcoleMc Oh alr

[@bibabobovich3122]

And most of it is either an exaggeration or straight up myth. This fella was quite normal for his time.

[@justice8718]

Ivan also was severely poisoned and hated by the elites.

[@iananderson4754]

His bones has traces of arsenic

[@bibabobovich3122]

@@iananderson4754 fact

[@MJ_2Day]

The dudes eyes in the painting is killing me 💀

[@karlwittenburg5868]

“What are you going to do, beat me to death with a scepter?” Turns out… yes

[@mtflieutenant7693]

The horrifying look on his eyes....Gosh

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

To be fair he was incredibly insane and mentally unwell, it only makes sense he'd be a horrible father considering his level of mental instability

[@florians9949]

Stalin: you think HE was a terrible dad?

[@Mr.Black61.]

What did he do?

[@warcrimeconnoisseur5238]

@@Mr.Black61. His son got captured by the Germans and they wanted to exchange a Field Marshal for Stalins son but Stalin refused

[@bambustuff]

I’ve been lucky enough to see the original painting.

[@ritapita8150]

Omg it's the 'shh you can hit me back... don't tell mom' meme painting 😂😂

[@SammiraAli]

I ❤ extra history

[@extrahistory]

We love you! Thanks for watching!

[@noone4700]

Ivan “The Terrible” is a bad translation of the proper term GROZNY, which means fearless or menacing, seeing as he expanded the Tsardom to new heights and officially shattered the “Tartar Yolk”

[@ArkadiBolschek]

It's not a bad translation: "terrible" also means "terrifying". English-speakers nowadays use it almost exclusively to mean "awfully bad", but that's a relatively recent shift.

[@thejohnreview9650]

"Ivan the Brutal" would be more correct

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

No no, it's the correct translation. He was called that because of his destruction of the oligarchy

[@somerandookay6999]

YO! Thats where that painting is from? Thats up there with saturn eating his son, and the garden of earthly delights for me.

[@bradbradthebrad]

I’ve heard of the first two, but what is the garden one? I don’t want to look it up cause I’m chicken

[@somerandookay6999]

@@bradbradthebrad The Garden of Earthly Delights by Hieronymus Bosc. Its a three part oil painting depicting Eden, Earth, then finally Hell. It kinda looks like a where's Waldo on acid.

[@Yellomelon]

Since he lost his own child he now tries to lure others children into dark corners in pizzerias while in an animatronic suit

[@Name-unnamedname]

bro really shook someone so hard they miscarried...

[@esdrascaleb]

Saving his dad from assassination was his mistake

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

Ivan was mentally ill and his son just so happened to be struck just so in a way to kill him. The blow to the temple most often results in nothing but if you're unlucky it instantly kills you

[@tomalator]

At least Ivan regretted killing his son. Peter the Great sentenced his own son to death without a second thought because he was paranoid his son would betray him.

[@ДаниилКоломыцев]

In general, he was right, Alexei, judging by the letters, was a slob, and also he secretly fled to Vienna, that would negotiate with Austria, to support him in ascending the throne, after the death of his father.

[@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg]

You guys seem to think that people with mental illnesses are rationally sound

[@Belarovis]

That gives the term deadbeat dad a whole nother meaning

[@boxofdeliciosblueberries]

i love the use of small circles inside of big circles for the eyes to show you how mad he was

[@Morphfiend]

Imagine a man named "The Terrible" was actually a bad person.