Iwata LS400 Entech 1.3 & WS400 Supernova 1.3HD For Basecoat & Clearcoat

[@johncamco8854]

Pete I know this is older info. But you spell out the pluses and and or minuses of the LS-400 and WS-400 in understandable detail. I'm not a painter. But I sell spray equipment. Thank You, very helpful.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi John, Thanks mate, I'm a mechanical engineer by trade so I'm really interested in what make these various guns spray differently from a design and mechanical point of view, not just the fact they do. I do get a bit over the top sometimes, but we all have our faults, I guess. Thanks again, buddy 👍

[@Efra-tesa0818]

I'm using my LS400 for waterborne base paint and the WS400 for clear coat I also have the lph400 sometimes for sealer or minor paint touch ups. I think iwata are the best spray guns.👌

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, very good guns. The split trip in these guns definitely does something, that's for sure . Cheers 👍

[@John-on8cq]

I use the supernova as my clear gun on cars and as a guide it usualy consumes about 200 ml for 2 full coats per panel dependant on the size of panel of course. Great video very informative.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks John, 👍

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

Hi Pete, love the video because these are my favourite guns of all, the only thing is , I still only own the LS and haven’t bought the WS version but I will get there one day . You got a really nice result on that tank , looked like a top notch job even though like mentioned about the depth of colour that had a brilliant gloss finish great stuff mate !

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Roger, I'm really enjoying using these, they have the ability to back up there looks which is brilliant, hopefully you'll get the WS one day, cheers as always buddy 👍

[@jamesmcconnon2]

I just love Iwata guns. They are great.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi mate, yes, they are a joy to use, cheers buddy 👍

[@johntiez4981]

Oh my, the finish you got there! Is quite nice!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks John 👍

[@maxmeyer74]

Great video Pete, I have the same iwata collection. My ls400 as the ets 1.3 fluid tip.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Anthony, yes, my tip has that on it and the obs has obs on it but they are the same tip as far as i can see, really enjoying using these, cheers buddy 👍

[@deanbrown7643]

Hi Pete always liked the look of those guns but never actually used thanks for the vid 👌👌

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Dean, they are a joy to use and look so cool, its amazing how often these come up on social media/forums etc, people have trouble with them but once you get to know the gun's they really are good, cheers buddy 👍

[@deanbrown7643]

@@peteshobbies5383 As you've said before guns are personal you set the swwet spot and hey presto there an absolute joy so all can be made good apart from the cheap Chinese crap but thats my own personal oppinion keep theese comming mate love em 👍👍👍👍

[@vonovine]

Hi Pete Great job on tank. I bought a LS400 Entech a couple of weeks ago for basecoat. Not used it yet. Just put thinners thru it, to check the spray pattern. Got it to spray candy on my best mate’s Kawasaki. Yes, it uses a hell of alot of air. I have a screw compressor with a receiver which puts out 16cfm & it uses it all. Won’t be getting the WS as I like to use an air fed mask for clear & there would be no air left for mask. Would need a 400v supply to house to get more air. Will check out your settings. Good idea to mention how much material you are getting through as it gives people a rough idea of how much they need. Usually use an rp for clear at 9 cfm so there is plenty of air left for me.

[@peteshobbies5383]

I must admit, i don't use an air fed as much as i should, i have the Devilbiss ProV650 and use a separate compressor outside for it but i only do that if i have a lot to do, I actually link two compressors together and can have both on if needed but it can get a bit noisy, it's a good way of getting lot's of air off a 240v supply, that Kawasaki Candy Green is a lovely colour, hope it goes ok 👍

[@vonovine]

@@peteshobbies5383 Hi Pete I’m not using the Kawasaki green kandy. Im replicating an old original design but with bling. Am using HOK pale gold Metajuls under Brandywine & Cobalt blue Kandy with white pinstriping. Have looked up your respirator, is it reliable? I use a Sata Airstar half mask,air fed respirator with a non airfed one to switch when I leave the booth. Only thing is when I was spraying the Metajuls I heard a hissing noise & one of the air lines to the mask had detached somehow mid spraying. Had to make a quick exit. I swear something always happens, but different evertime. Guess that’s how you learn. If it was plain sailing everytime guess I wouldn’t learn anything!

[@peteshobbies5383]

@vonovine Yes, the mask has been reliable although i don't give it lots of use, there's not much to go wrong really, my biggest problem is i have quite a long face, no jokes please 😀, and it's a little tight, not very but a little, I'm 2mts tall so most things are a compromise but otherwise it's fine

[@peteshobbies5383]

Btw, I've ordered some little magnets on ebay, what a great idea, cheers

[@vonovine]

@@peteshobbies5383 Well, am going to duck tape the lines in place next time. If one comes off again I’ll look into that mask. Thanks for your reply!

[@walterwalters3069]

If air not a problem the Iwata LS 400 my third choice after DV1 base gun and Tekna Base HV 20 ! Thank you for great review Pete! Happy Holidays!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you Walter, Happy holidays to you as well 👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

Great video as always Pete, I appreciate you giving us the quantity of paint you used, as a newbie it’s hard to judge how much you need to use for a particular panel and running out and makeup more isn’t really an option. Great video as always though the tank come out absolutely great. Cheers have a good Christmas. Steve.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Steve, Hope you have great Christmas as well mate, yes, the paint quantity is something I've been meaning to say for a while because with the various tanks i do it varies a lot, some are as little as 110mls of clear for two passes and some are 250mls and if your doing the underside you can add between 40 and 60% more on top so hopefully it gives people a better idea, thanks as always buddy, take care 👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

@@peteshobbies5383 your welcome Pete love your videos and watch them till he end 😊 I bet the tip size makes a difference to the quantity of paint.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes it does but it's a combination, for example the Gti Pro Lite with a 1.3 tip and the TE10 cap uses less material than the same setup but with the TE20 cap, it's because the TE20 flows more air so draws more fluid through the same tip, the tip size is i find more relevant to the thickness of materials and the flow rather than just the flow if that makes sense, then there's HVLP which uses loads of air but doesn't necessarily pull more material through but normally transfers more material to the work 👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

@@peteshobbies5383 Yes it totally makes sense I forgot about the viscosity and of corse the air consumption makes a difference 🤦‍♂️ thanks for the reminder.

[@bingobunga8995]

Great video, I’m a bit confused with how to determine the appropriate size air cap to the tip size. I’m having a difficult time finding information online showing a size chart and the compatibility of the air caps, tips and guns with their various recommended psi and cfm ratings. I’ve been looking at the 93506930 WS400 1.5HD Nozzle/Needle Assembly and wondering if it will work with the 93512320 LS-400-02 Air Cap Assembly that has a recommended gun inlet of 19psi and if that air cap and tip will fit in the Wider2 gun. If Iwata had a Wider4 gun in a pressure fed configuration it would make it a great deal simpler since I use a 3M pressure H/O cup and a pressure pot with all my other guns. I’m not particularly fond of gravity fed with the types of coatings I use.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, The WS400 tips have different size air holes to the LS400 tips, if you mix the two the material may over atomise as too much air goes through the tip, it may be ok on HS clear coats but not base coats, the LS and WS400 caps have a different diameter thread so won't fit on a wider2 unfortunately

[@bingobunga8995]

@@peteshobbies5383 thanks Pete, so if I understand this correctly the ws400 and ls400 tips will fit but the air caps will not so I would need to use a Wider4 air cap with the Wider2 gun to use the cut tips. The reason I’m asking is because I need a dedicated clear coat gun for high solid finishes and I just ordered a pressure fed Wider2 gun for that sole purpose. I would’ve bought the wider4 if it had a pressure fed version of the gun but sadly it doesn’t. I can only hope Iwata in the future will create it.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@bingobunga8995 The best thing to do would be a Wider4L as the tip and cap would fit the wider2 and is 4 split, if you want to use a LS or WS with a Wider4 cap, it must be a Wider4L cap not Wider4

[@bingobunga8995]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks Pete, that helps clear everything up! I’ll get the Wider4L J2 cap and pick up a WS400 1.5HD tip for my clear coats, cheers!

[@algernumv]

I love my iwatas, but i have to say the chrome finish ware put after few years. Sad , i clean them by hand the factory still there bu the chome are vanish in some of them , quality wise sata litle better.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, I've not had a problem but like you i know people that have which is sad, thanks for the comment 👍

[@geraldogenova2954]

Consigo dar um ótimo acabamento em verniz com a LS400 se compara com a WS400 ou não

[@peteshobbies5383]

Olá, só experimentei o LS400 para limpar uma vez e não fiquei tão impressionado com ele, mas talvez eu precise tentar mais com ele, obrigado pelos comentários 👍

[@TheSubieSanctuary]

Great video!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you, much appreciated 👍

[@ANDY-we7mr]

Hi Pete well explained mate I have heard there a hard gun to use and the WS400 to set up I think later on pete may be a sagola 4600 do you have to be nice and close

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Andrew, as you know i love my 4600 and that in my head would still be the gun i would have if i could only have one, for years it was the Gti Pro Lite but the Sagola has overtaken that for me, i normally spray around 5 to 6 inches from the part for clear but it does vary with the temperature, materials etc

[@Whitening98]

What about the gold cap? Have you used it yet? I like the ws400 more than the LS. Both are great guns imo

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, you mean the OBS base version? , yes i have, it's very good, same cap as the WS400 clear but a different tip so less atomisation which is ideal for basecoat

[@Whitening98]

@@peteshobbies5383 yes that's the one. One of my coworkers swears it's the best one. I was just curious about it. Thanks for the reply 👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

It's a really good base gun, I've never tried it for clear but i may well do, I used the LS400 for clear a few times last week, first time as it a base gun really and it was really good so maybe the gold cap one will be as well, we will see, cheers mate 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

WOW Pete that was a cracking finish on that tank 👏 I do like the look of those guns especially the limited edition ones they bought out and my fav is the green lotus edition. I have heard a lot about these guns being hard to setup, watching the Gunman he's had one of these guns for a long time but always seems to get runs in his clear when he uses it. Can you tell me what size bike tanks you use for your projects Pete, I've been looking at some on ebay but I can't gauge how big they are as in physical size, I've seen a few 9L ones but I would say that would be a lot smaller than what you used here, some don't even list the capacity or size so I have no idea what I would need, you can probably tell I have no idea about bikes 🤔🤷‍♂️ thanks Pete.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi John, that tank is around 22lts , the smaller tanks i use are 16lts and the biggest is 26lts, I'll try and remember to message you later with a few models to look out for that are nice to paint, you'll have to buy one with a few dents etc otherwise they are really expensive but I've sold some of mine for good money so its not all down hill and then you can just replace them, if i don't remember give me a memory jog mate, talk soon 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Ok thanks for that Pete, I've looked at a few tanks on ebay but to me they all look the same size when the capacity isn't listed.

[@michaelrodgers5105]

The only differences are the cap and nozzles? I mistakenly bought the LS version to shoot clear. I already own a base gun that I'm satisfied with and I also used it for clear.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Michael, yes, the only difference is the cap and nozzle

[@michaelrodgers5105]

@@peteshobbies5383 if I can't return, my next option it to change out those two things

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, the needle is the same, number 20015 so tip and cap

[@zecarlos26]

Hello from north Portugal what air pressure settings were you using Pete

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Jose, I have very fond memories of Northern Portugal, been touring there on my bike a few times, a long time ago now, it's a lovely part of the world. I found around 1.8 bar on the LS400 was good and 2.0 bar on the WS 👍

[@CASTANEDA83]

Hey Pete, where's all your overspray going? Man, that base went down real smooth! Great job!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Rod, I have a 24" fan in a box that extracts outside through 4" filter media, i change the filter every 15 hours or so of use

[@CASTANEDA83]

@@peteshobbies5383 cool! I wondered because there almost no overspray in your videos and it seems like you're in a tight space.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@CASTANEDA83 There is some about, particularly on the upright car panels as there is lots of overlap so half the pattern is just shooting in the air, I also have one stand alone fan that pushes the overspray towards the outlet fan and another if needed but don't really need that most of the time, it works well, as you can see I'm not in ideal conditions but we have to work with what we have, cheers buddy 👍

[@djrowe10]

I have the LS400 ET 1.4 and was considering getting the WS400 air cap and 1.3 nozzle set instead of the compete gun. Are you able to confirm that the WS400 cap will still screw onto the LS400? I know that my Sata guns caps are not interchangeable at all between series. Thanks for sharing your hobbies!👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, yes, the body's are the same as is the needle so a cap and tip will have you up and running. Sata say there caps are not interchangeable but in fact they are, I regularly swop HVLP for RP, the threads in the gun for the tip is the same as are the threads for the cap, the cap and tips are different as with the Iwatas but they do interchange, cheers 👍

[@cam81366]

Another helpful video Pete. I have both the LS and the WS. Which Do you think is the better base coat gun LS or the OBS ? I was thinking of picking up the OBS gun

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Tony, I think the LS is a better waterbourn gun and it uses a little less material, the obs i find is as good with solvent but not quite as good with laying wb base, which is fine by me because i rarely use it, i also like the obs because it uses less air so its the one i would use most

[@walterwalters3069]

LS is better base gun. And, you can buy only the OBS nozzle because the air cap there WS 400 01 ( same as WS 400 clear gun)

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Walter, yes, the only difference between the OBS and WS is the tip

[@mreightytwenty8709]

Like every gun you have to get use to it and play around with the settings. Most guns are good depends on the operator....lol

[@peteshobbies5383]

Can't argue with that buddy, hope alls well in NZ 👍

[@mreightytwenty8709]

@@peteshobbies5383 Yes all good mate...have a great Xmas

[@peteshobbies5383]

You too buddy, stay safe👍

[@EChunter]

Lots of others say it works well for clear.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mark, you mean the WS400

[@EChunter]

@@peteshobbies5383 sorry ? I meant the ls400 . They arent saying ita just as good but are saying that it does a very good job putting down clear .

[@peteshobbies5383]

You know I've never tried it, I will give it a go and see what it's like 👍

[@EChunter]

@@peteshobbies5383 please do and share you thoughts afterward.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes of course 👍

[@deacdaniel6425]

Hi, LS 400 entech et 1.2, is good for clear?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, answered in your other message 👍

[@johntiez4981]

So, what are your best guns overall for base or clear? One gun for both?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi John, sorry, only just seen this, it's depends on budget really, the Sata X5500, Sagola 4600 Xtreme and Walcom 360 Carbonio are really good gun's but very expensive, at the mid end the Devilbiss Tekna Gti Pro Lite and Iwata Bellaria or Kiwami4 are good, a gun for each task is preferable but obviously more expensive

[@johntiez4981]

@@peteshobbies5383 I do want a dedicated clear gun for sure. My recollection is that once you run base through a gun any gun no matter how much you clean it you will eventually get metallics coming out when you least expect. ...

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@johntiez4981 I haven't found that but it is better to keep them separate

[@martinspiridonov4247]

What about the pressure?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Martin, I found the LS400 was nice at 1.8 bar or around 25psi and the WS400 at 2bar or 29psi, cheers 👍

[@HackMasterBlaster]

So what’s the difference in the LS400 and the WS400 base?

[@peteshobbies5383]

The cap, the OBS has the same cap as the WS400 clear, the LS is completely different. The original WS400 base guns were exactly the same as the WS400 clear guns apart from their markings, just so the painter could tell them apart, they quickly realised that for base it was over atomiseing the basecoat so they changed the tip to one with smaller exit holes, this cured the problem

[@HackMasterBlaster]

@@peteshobbies5383 got it. How about the application of basecoat itself. Does it spray much different than the LS?

[@peteshobbies5383]

The OBS puts out a little more material than the LS, the LS is true HVLP so tends to have less overspray as your normally using it a bit closer and at a lower pressure, the OBS is better if you dont have lots of air as the LS uses loads, only the X5500 HVLP and Devilbiss HV30 cap uses as much as the LS

[@HackMasterBlaster]

@@peteshobbies5383 in a production setting would you go with the OBS or LS?

[@peteshobbies5383]

I would think the LS, it saves on material, has lower emissions and is better for waterbourn paints which is often used in a production setting

[@stephenwhite5444]

Great channel! Hey how do these compare to the Kiwami4? I thought about trying to get a Kiwami4 with a couple different tips. I dont paint daily, just as a hobbie, but want the most level results possible.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Stephen, that's a good question, the LS & WS are a very good combination, neither is my favourite gun but there's no denying they are good, the Kiwami4 is more middle of the road, it's a very good do it all spraygun which can achieve excellent finishes, it's not as specialist as the WS/LS but it is easier to use, much cheaper and uses less air, ultimately the WS/LS will give you a better finish once you get used to using them but as with most of these guns there not much in it. 👍

[@vehiclesprayerssociety]

😍😍😍😍😍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you buddy 👍

[@vehiclesprayerssociety]

@@peteshobbies5383 you're always most welcome Buddy 😍😍😍

[@johntiez4981]

1.3 vs 1.4 what's the difference really?

[@peteshobbies5383]

1.4 will flow more material so normally it will make the gun faster to use, however, sometimes the larger tip makes the finish not quite so flat as the cap is the same so atomisation isn't always as good

[@johntiez4981]

@@peteshobbies5383 now, another somewhat unrelated question. I need to repaint my car I have an Acura tl. I mostly need to relaint a panel or two and reclear.the whole car. I need an all arounder right now, one gun for the whole thing. I can rig a couple air compressors together and get at most mmm 13cfm reliably clean dry air 13 cfm I think is the most I'll get. I'm considering the iwata wider4l or kiwami4 v13wbx. Any thoughts between the two? I suppose either would be a 1.3. so the gun would need to be good at base great at clear what would you recommend given the amount of air at max I can give the gun? I have reasonable experience

[@johntiez4981]

Or, if you think another gun would be a better choice, do tell...I'm also open to a SATa 5000 1.2...i had a 5000 but it was a 1.3 and too damned fast of a gun. Sprayed a billowing cloud of paint that gun. Gave a flawless finish though...

[@peteshobbies5383]

I have a Wider4L 1.4 , only recently got it and it's very good especially as it runs at 15psi so has relatively little overspray, I also have a Kiwami4 WBX is 1.3 and that is also good but uses more air, the WB uses more air than the WBX so unless your holding tank is a reasonable size you may struggle, if money is not a particularly concern I would recommend the Sata 5500x 1.2 RP or Sagola Xtreme DVR Clear in 1.3, they both work great for base and clear, particularly clear, are on the limit regarding air you have but should give you a few panels at a time, another option is the Kiwami4 BA4J, uses less air, is a great all rounder and not expensive

[@johntiez4981]

@@peteshobbies5383 in your experience is the wider4l a pretty quick gun as a 1.4? Would you rather it be 1.3 or is it good as is? Thank you for the advice btw. Very much appreciated.

[@AndrewPearce-k5h]

Your trigger action is not good, your letting your finger off too much which can lead to spitting

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, There is no spitting. If the gun is set up correctly, it's fine. One of the plus points of a good diaphragm regulator stopping the initial air surge

[@AndrewPearce-k5h]

@peteshobbies5383 maybe so but you wouldn't trigger like that on a bigger job

[@peteshobbies5383]

@AndrewPearce-k5h what difference does it make? If the guns not spitting, then it's not spitting big job or small

[@AndrewPearce-k5h]

@peteshobbies5383 if you don't trigger off to air when finishing your pass you can get a build up of paint on the aircap horns also the tip which can blow off into your paint job. Especially in basecoat

[@AndrewPearce-k5h]

When you finish a pass you trigger from full trigger to full trigger ,you should trigger to slight air to clear the tip/ horn from build up!