TESTED! Viewer Suggested Tablesaw Techniques - Follow Up

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

This is a follow up based on comments from my video about ripping a board that has tension in it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJ24aJd7eKZ_i68 The feedback from previous video was so strong that I had to do a follow up!

[@jonlanier_]

Thanks for the follow-up. Question: What? You don't have tons of money to try all the methods? Ha.

[@KSFWG]

Great follow up, Charlie! It's situations like this that can cause a serious issue in a hurry. I really appreciate that you took the extra time to listen respectfully to valid, well thought out suggestions. And I appreciate even more that you took the extra time to follow up and share it with us. Thanks! Oh, and give yourself a couple of "attaboys" -- you earned them! :)

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Wow, thanks so much for the positive and encouraging comment. I really appreciate it.

[@southsidedojo2]

Yes finally someone who can follow up on a subject maturely. Bravo Charlie. You know there are still many variables left and unspoken points left open for discussion. It would be really nice to have conversations on these types of subjects and not social media. Keep up the journey because it never ends.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thank you so much. That is one of the nicest comments I have ever received. I really appreciate it.

[@southsidedojo2]

Just call it like I see it. You have a great heart and that's what it takes to be a good craftsman.

[@southsidedojo2]

I will subscribe on both of my channels, I thought I was already so I do apologize!

[@stevecollins9450]

That was great to see how well the wedge idea worked. Thanks for the follow up, Charlie.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Steve. The wedge worked great, and I was surprised how effective flipping the board seemed to be.

[@HeathKnuckles_Tasty_Timber]

Excellent tips Charlie! Thanks for sharing! See you soon! 🤘👍

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Yep, I'll be there tomorrow!

[@tompritch56]

Thanks for taking the extra steps to share your ideas.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Tom, glad you liked it.

[@ottokriete1153]

Thanks for the follow-up video, Charlie. I learned something ( flipping the board end to end ). Thanks.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Otto!!

[@Themakersworkbench]

I have used the wedge method many times with my table saw, mainly because I am limited to where I can buy lumber from here in the midlands of South Carolina. I get stuck building with a lot of pine, and it's usually from Home Depot, and full of stresses due to how fast it was processed into a finished dimensional stick. It's even more dangerous on my saw as it does not have a riving knife, so the wood will fully close up and turn that board into a missile. Great video, and keep up the good work my friend!

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks!

[@bobleeswoodshop7919]

Thanks for sharing Charlie!!!👍👍👍

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Bob!

[@danielsolowiej]

You'll make me addicted to wedges now :)

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Hahaha!

[@darylmaasz1214]

i seen your pressure on wood video, tried the wedge and it worked great.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Daryl, I am glad it worked for you!

[@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549]

Charlie, Nice follow up! Two points.. Someone may only have a tablesaw. Or they don't have a big enough bandsaw. Oh yeah they can always rip the board with a handsaw or handheld circular saw. In which multiple passes would be required.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Tom! Unfortunately, not everyone has a bandsaw. If I had to choose JUST one stationary power tool then I would choose a bandsaw.

[@opasworkshop8373]

nice follow-up Jack very helpful. I have always used the wedge or a screwdriver on the end. the screwdriver was not a metal one it was a plastic kids tool box toy. LOL

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Yep, a plastic one is much better!

[@JerrysThisandThat]

Good to see some tests on the comments left on your video.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Jerry!

[@ragtie6177]

Good one Charlie, very informative.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@brianfuller4071]

Great videos in all and thanks for testing one of my "theories" LOL! But yeah I have always used the wedge method, but then again I have never had a lot of money to buy really "great" tools so I have learned to work with what I have and think about how to do things on very limited funds or limited tools! In fact I never had a table saw until about four years ago and for a long time I would rip plywood down by clamping a piece of 4 foot angle iron to a sheet and using it with my circular saw like a rip fence for all my cuts! It usually took a long more time, but I have built a number of things like tables and desks using that method as well! You do have some great videos though and keep up the good work!!!!!!

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Brian! It is amazing what you can do with just a circular saw.

[@brianfuller4071]

Like I say I have done most of my wood working in very "crazy" ways! While I was married twice neither of my wives (both now ex wives) would buy me tools or allow me to buy tools! So I have had to learn how to do a lot of things in ways most people couldn't imagine! For example there are many ways to drill straight holes with nothing more than a screw gun, a speed square and a block of wood! Also though I am limited on tools and even space to store tools, I also own just a few different saws, like a chain saw, reciprocating saw, and a jig saw as well as my circular saw! Like I said about four years ago I bought a small Ryobi 10" saw, which is kind of the newest one I own, though I bought it used for $50, but I have learned a few "tricks" myself with it! One tool for example you don't see a lot of people use in wood working is a Dremel or other type of Rotary tool, and for the most part my Dremel has been used as a router, and in uses other for cutting off nails while reclaiming lumber as well! The only other power tools I own are a small compressor, and couple of nail guns (one framing nailer, and a brad nailer) and a oscillating tool, and a couple of sanders! But really I don't have the space in my shed of a lot, due to the fact I live in a lousy trailer park, which is a real hell hole to live in to start with!! In fact I just got a notice to pick up my small but "orderly" pile of reclaimed lumber as of the time I am writing this and the notice goes on to tell me to put up my flower pots that I plant my spring and summer flowers in!!! So there is no accounting for what is considered "beautiful" in this dump, and my yard is always neat and well taken care of so I hate living here as it is!!!! But I still will do a lot of wood working in my yard this summer just like I always do!!!!

[@robertevans6481]

Thanks for the update on this..

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Bob.

[@roccocalzone5480]

excellent follow up. subscribed!

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!

[@RickMcQuay]

I don't have problem with tension often but I set the board aside if possible. If it's a moisture issue, which it often is, time can heal the problem. Once you have a board moving like that, it will fight you nonstop.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Rick.

[@jamesstanlake4064]

The very best method is the one that works best for you. There are many ways to skin the cat but as you stated some wood is very expensive to experiment on. I have experienced the same issue in wood that I have cut up, in throughout my life. I am now a young 66 and being a 3rd generation woodworker I have cut quite a few feet of wood.The wedge method, while it can work will do nothing to take out or relieve tension in lumber. Tension is all about the grain characteristics in the board. I have cut a few boards that did the same thing and have seen them split apart when down to the last foot or so when just continuing with the cut and not binding the saw blade. If and when the board can and does split it may or may not follow the cut line you intended. I did watch the video and believe you took the best course of action for yourself. Lets face it; its wood and wood will move depending on moisture in the wood and in the air. When I lived in Michigan Oak in particular was always a challenge to work with because despite being jointed on the edge and face, then run through a thickness planer and ripped to width then stacked carefully for the next day it was often that many of the boards had warped and bowed overnight. Now I live in Las Vegas and any wood can be milled and stacked and left for as long as I wish without moving. Its all in the grain and moisture so use what you can to work around it all the while working in a safe manner for you.That is my two cents and I'm sticking with it!

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks for your thoughtful comment, I really appreciate it!

[@Shoerona]

Great info, Charlie!

[@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING]

Great tip dude!!!

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Eloy!

[@toysoldier46552]

I never even considered the wedge idea but the end for end idea I know works thank to Jimmy Diresta. I always use a proper rip blade and riving knife for added safety. If I had a decent sized bandsaw sure I'd rip on that because the blades would be wide enough but unfortunately in my tiny shop, no room for one :(

[@themichiganwoodworker9656]

Wesley Runyon here AKA The Michigan Woodworker, Hopefully you can put the pieces together.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks, I am sure that I can glue them together.

[@themichiganwoodworker9656]

lol

[@willemkossen]

Good points. Could it be helpful to put wax or oil on the sides of the riving knife, as the binding will be mostly there, you might be able to push it through after all.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks Willem. In my particular case the riving knife is slightly thinner than the blade so most of the binding was on the blade itself. Wax might help if the knife was a little thicker.

[@williambranham6249]

Interesting and helpful presentation

[@ccccen]

I still will do a bit at a time going up on the board maybe 1/2 in at a time

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Thanks! I wish I had actually tested that for the video, but I will definitely try it the next time I run into a board with tension in it.

[@bobbg9041]

one good thing about cutting wood, you can't make a mistake. A bit of glue fixes almost anything. Just because you cut a chunk of wood into 2 parts, you still have the 2 parts and glue will put them back together What I ment was cut 3/4' into the wood on both side then take a chisel and spit it into 2.. You won't get kick back on a bandsaw, but you will bust a blade, unless you can weld there went 10 to 40 bucks. you can also wear out the motor, or loose a berrig run a band saw band into your hand loose a tire on the bandsaw, break a belt, its just dangerous on any machine. Moghoney is so tight grain and hard not a god wood to have problems with. Rule number 1) Murphy's Law Rule number 2) See rule number one. Rule number 3) you can't be too safe Rule number 4) if your not working safe see rule number one. Yes a Bandsaw is probably the best option and the thinnest kerf. But not everyone has one. So its nice to know or have other options. Thanks for Sharing, I learned somthing new. And I would not trust the toy for a bandsaw I have now. 8" Sears Champion

[@LutherBuilds]

Maybe I'm just ignorant. But I was under the impression that it's very difficult to get kickback if you have a riving knife because the wood won't really pinch the back of the blade causing it to lift up. It would simply just pinch the riving knife and would become harder to push it through. I don't know because my saw doesn't have a riving knife. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

You are not ignorant at all! Riving knives do a great job of preventing kickback, but they are not fool proof. I personally know someone who was hospitalized after a kickback even though the saw was equipped with a riving knife. In that case there was a lot of tension in the board and it moved so much so fast that the riving knife could not prevent it from getting caught in the blade.

[@LutherBuilds]

Wow. That's crazy. I wasn't putting myself down, I didn't know that it was possible to get kickback using a riving knife.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

You going to the Atlanta show?

[@LutherBuilds]

***** No. Unfortunately I won't be able to make it.

[@JackbenchWoodworking]

Bummer. Hope to catch up with you at the next event.