jager rotoloader 2011 - inside the turret 150 mm autoloader

rotoloader for 150mm main gun. 2011
5 rounds in 30 seconds (6 sec per round)

[@PilotTed]

Great animation but the weight of that would be terrible for the back of the turret, pretty much making turret traverse as slow as a snail. Wouldn't be a problem in a tank destroyer but no one really uses them anymore. This might be a great design for SPGs but for an MBT it would make the turret far too bulky, heavy, and tall. Still great work!

[@djuravldc]

You have right, but I thought that frontal armor can be good enough counterweight. Or whole turret can be moved froward. This is for balance issue, but then still we have problem of weight, which might need some inventive ways to solve... strogner rotation motor, lighter materials, idk :p

[@amistrophy]

Make the turret crewless and bring the ammo rack and load mechanism closer to the front​@@djuravldc

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@amistrophyI don’t think the 80 kg per crew will do much

[@jeffbob1776]

@@hhhhhhhhh1071it would free up space to move the mechanist forward allowing for better balance

[@hhhhhhhhh1071]

@@jeffbob1776that would also lower the turret’s profile which is nice

[@edi9892]

My problem with the mechanism is that it does have a central ramming rod, but apparently nothing that gets the ammunition into the turn table... Having a device for every position would be insane.

[@djuravldc]

It can pe simple telescopic mechanism, but you are right - would he needed for every position. But I think it's cheap. Up side is - redundancy which increases overall reliability :)

[@edi9892]

@@djuravldc In principle, yes, but this would be an overkill. The central part can have no redundancies and thus, it would make sense to incorporate it there, as it can access all rounds...

[@djuravldc]

@@edi9892 this is only a idea, and video is showing principle. This need some additional solution to go to production. I agree, and I would add some possibility of backup system as well instead of manual loading like in soviet autoloaders.

[@ul4264]

Big autoloader, big turret, heavy total 🤔, but i love the animation 👏.

[@MPdude237]

I would agree, this looks like a carousel auto loader with the carousel in the turret as opposed to the Hull.

[@jebise1126]

i dont know... it could have no ammo in hull so hull would be very small and big turret means large depression and rise of gun. it might not be all bad. also its not manned turret so maybe not so big

[@bromine_35]

that is an incredibly compact system!

[@djuravldc]

Thanks!

[@Aaronreacher]

I think this would make the turret extremely vulnerable to anything from the sides or upper part. Placing the ammo in the middle with a separated compartment for the crew like the T14 allegedly do it seems more fitting.

[@djuravldc]

@@Aaronreacher it can be both ways, just don't use it against doctrine and it will be just fine :p

[@АлексАверин-в5т]

Кажущаяся компактность. Сложность системы подачи выстрелов в центральный барабан. Сколько требуется толкателей? Или снаряд и заряд сами собой скатываться в центральный барабан будут? Куда деваются поддоны? Просто падают на дно?

[@djuravldc]

Надо один толкатель для каждый снаряд/заряд. Но ето нет проблема, ето простые толкательи. Поддоны падают на дно. Мой Русский нет очень хороши, надеюсь что ты меня понимаешь.

[@СеменМкртычев-д6ю]

Интересная система: видно, что очень компактная.

[@fennoman9241]

I wonder how Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 autoloader works with its 3 second reload rate.

[@thesheriffmt]

This is a fantastic animation, especially for 2011

[@djuravldc]

Thanks!

[@joaobatistasousaferreirafe8931]

E no navio de guerra dá para colocar também?

[@djuravldc]

Even donkey can carry it :D just a joke, warship can carry it, anything bigger than a tank :) Incluso un burro puede llevarlo :D solo es una broma, un buque de guerra puede llevarlo, cualquier cosa más grande que un tanque :)

[@osmacar5331]

At first i was questioning the practical side, then i thought on it more, you can have 3 ammo types and a fair bit of ammo, that being said it's going to be very difficult to do, especially if you need to unload the thing, but you can have a 4th in the turret for operating the loading, but that defeats the purpose of an autoloader, but full stock on one ammo you get a veritable machine cannon.

[@ВиталийФеденко-ы8п]

Неплохой замысел😊

[@djuravldc]

Спасибо Витя :)

[@Dejawolfs]

cool idea, only problem is that it takes up a lot of space that can be used for for ammunition. you'd also need some way to pull or push the ammunition into the rotoloader. i guess a third issue is that it might be quite slow at reloading.

[@djuravldc]

This is just a concept, actual loader and performances would depend on used technology. Loading can be done from above or by using loading mechanism in reversed order, like on t-72

[@KrishnaKumar-bz5uu]

Dear uploader. My name is Krishna and I am from India. I would request if you could help me understand which tank this autoloader is employed in. Thank you. May I also ask for a few more queries? Please let me know. Much appreciated.

[@djuravldc]

Hello. This is fictional autoloader, i wanted to share idea. It is not used in any modern tank but it is inspired by soviet carousel autoloader and Leopard tank ammo storage. It should be fast, safe and provide multiple ready-to-load rounds. It prepares every round while loading another one on different level. Ammo is two-part: shell and charge.

[@djuravldc]

Of course, you can ask and I will try to answer.

[@KrishnaKumar-bz5uu]

This is a fantastic idea.!!! Impressive. Is it your idea

[@KrishnaKumar-bz5uu]

I am working on a project to improve efficiency of the carousel autoloaders. I need your help. Can I contact you on any WhatsApp number

[@djuravldc]

@@KrishnaKumar-bz5uu Thank you very much. Yes, this is my idea, and i haven't seen something similar to this. I was inspired with Black Eagle project (now t14 armata) and i came up with this. It is only a concept, but I am glad you like it :)

[@swagbelly7740]

good concept for navy guns tbh

[@dannyzero692]

Cool idea, but there are flaws: - There's no mechanism to push the ammunition into the ready rack of the rotorloader - Lots of machinery would be needed and there are many points of failures without redundancies. - So much ammo and machinery at the back would've meant that this thing would have problems with weight distribution. - French style bustle autoloaders can achieve pretty high fire rate already and would still be able to accommodate bigger rounds.

[@djuravldc]

@@dannyzero692 this is just conceptual, idea is there to think about it. The main problem would be a good mechanism for pushing rounds into the feeding socket, as there are many needed....

[@randomlymadeanimations52]

Tanks are awsome!!

[@djuravldc]

Thanks!

[@randomlymadeanimations52]

👍

[@osmacar5331]

They're even more so if you look at the tech that goes into them

[@neg0dnick769]

А мне нравится. Компактно и разные типы снарядов.

[@KrishnaKumar-bz5uu]

Do you have any more such ideas for the t90s

[@djuravldc]

It's hard to change layout of existing tank and still keep it's good sides. But putting crew to sit on the floor and put ammo in back of the turret (put ammo storage outside turret back like here) have beed done by Ukraine I think (nato 120mm rounds) but I would go with whole new turret in this case because of balanse and crew protection.

[@djuravldc]

www.military-today.com/tanks/t84_yatagan.htm#:~:text=The%20Yatagan%20is%20a%20further,72%2D120%20main%20battle%20tank. Yatagan prototype from Ukraine

[@crimsonfury7811]

Very Impressive

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

They should fit a smaller , more simplified version of this on the ZTZ-99A MBT, it has plently of room for a more safe and effecient bustle autoloader, and they could easily get rid of the ammo carousel on the bottom of the type 99, making it likey one of the best MBTs in the world. (Its already up there)

[@djuravldc]

When I see current events in Ukraine, my conclusion is - armor and layout will not save tank, because in 90 percent it is killed with: plane, artillery or portable at systems. So only thing you need is good active protection system. If shell reaches tank from side or above - it's game over. No modern tank can be the best without system like this, even with this autoloader :p ;)

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

@Vladan Đurić - Владан Ђурић it might save the crew though, and increase morale among tankers. Take with carousels are coffins.

[@djuravldc]

@@toyotawitha20mm35 I agree, it is problematic. But honestly, Leopard has additional ammo storage in tank hull for example, so it's almost the same as carousel.... Best way to protect is not to get hit :p

[@toyotawitha20mm35]

@Vladan Đurić - Владан Ђурић the ZTZ99A could have bustle blowout panels too protecting the crew from a direct ammo detonation.

[@djuravldc]

@@toyotawitha20mm35 yes, crew would work under less pressure if they know they are safe from cooking :/ Armata is not battle proven, but that concept would be ideal with this loader. Capsula for crew, maybe some ice cream, and they are cool headed as possible while aiming.

[@cerise2526]

Is tank Leopard?

[@djuravldc]

It was inspired by it. But it's not exactly Leopard, it is my creation.

[@KaIIenie]

That is so large there is barely any space to fit the crew in the turret

[@djuravldc]

Yes, that was intentional. Crew is in the hull, but can be in turret as well

[@KaIIenie]

@@djuravldc Seems dangerous

[@djuravldc]

@@KaIIenie war is dangerous affair. Unmanned tank would be ideal thing, but for now it's unachievable.

[@djuravldc]

спасибо

[@ksavierkrajewski716]

cool idea its complex but cool

[@djuravldc]

It's important that it's cool :D

[@TheEntwicklungEnthusiast]

does it have blowouts?

[@djuravldc]

It can have, as long as ammo is separated with armor thick enough. But in general this is crewless turret, if there is no crew no panels are needed.

[@TheEntwicklungEnthusiast]

@@djuravldc Ah. This looks something like you would see on an auto loader KF51 based on the turret cheeks, or if this was the AbramsX autoloader

[@djuravldc]

@@TheEntwicklungEnthusiast had both options in mind, this is just showing loading mechanism. If you don't have crew, you can scrap lot of armor as well, but you can stick crew members as well, it has room inside :)

[@TheEntwicklungEnthusiast]

@@djuravldc it’s an excellent design in any case

[@djuravldc]

@@TheEntwicklungEnthusiast thanks, I really believe something can be make out of this :p

[@slikerdet]

I do think what they use today is good. That you keep the ammo closed to the floor in the tank and it become a more difficult target to hit. ...

[@t26e44]

That gives the tank horrible crew survivability when hit tho, it’s impossible to do blowout hatches with that kind, with this it’s somewhat similar to the T14 Aramata where all the ammo is serrated from the crew

[@slikerdet]

@@t26e44 the crew, 3 men are sitting down in a bunker and are not close to the turret. This tank are the only tank tatt got a bunker i front white are crew members are sitting side by side. All tanks got weak sides no matter what tank

[@chocolat-kun8689]

reminds me of the G11 mechanism.

[@bluesky_cupy5158]

Does anyone know the name of the soundtrack?

[@djuravldc]

Music from movie Saw

[@djuravldc]

Thanks. get some tutorials. i am lazy to watch, but when i realy don't know how to do smth, i take a look at some video tutorial. And try with 3d max, it is not hard to start, and you can do almost anythine (if you know how to :P ).

[@2ndtherealdeimos6182]

y know I could make this out out of lego

[@djuravldc]

@@2ndtherealdeimos6182 that is really cool. I like lego, but I don't have all necessary parts :p

[@fahganindo]

Why the music Have to be scary?

[@djuravldc]

3d max. it is not an easy job, i used regular animating, linear, but now i started learning using bones, and it is better for some problems... but i don't have much time to work because i have to learn for exams...

[@dirtymemes9962]

Lol he out the jigsaw song

[@АндрейМихайлов-к2ы]

Ну и чем эта схема отличается от АЗ/МЗ?

[@djuravldc]

Что это А3/М3?

[@АндрейМихайлов-к2ы]

Автомат заряжания Т-72 и Т-90, механизм заряжания Т-64, Т-80.

[@djuravldc]

Андрей Михайлов потому что патроны могут быть отделены от экипажа

[@АндрейМихайлов-к2ы]

Давно так не смеялся! Не патроны, а артвыстрелы, ну можно просто боекомплект пушки. И чем же интересно отделение б/к будет произведено?

[@djuravldc]

Андрей Михайлов я не понимаю ничего тебяю. моей руской очень плохий. говориш англиский? что это артвыстрелы, боекомплект и что это б/к ?

[@damijanruzic9128]

zanimljivo stvarno

[@Pandacat80]

This is very unpractical. You stack 150mm shells up 3 levels, that's half of a meter already. Then plus all the machinery and stowage area, that's easily over one meter tall. It would make the turret exceedingly tall and large.

[@djuravldc]

Yes, but only back part of turret, front part is lower and very sloped. Also this way all the ammo is in turret, so hull can store some other things, or can be even little bit thinner. But in general this is sum of height: turret(0.6m) + hull(1m) + suspension (0.5m) what brings us at 2.1m which is quiet good. Even if turret is 0.7m it is still the height of t72... I think three rows of ammo is not really problem of this concept, bigger problem would be loading mechanism (pushing ammo parts) - could it be implemented small as I here assumed.

[@smeminem1258]

Plus you could always ditch a layer

[@_S_V_A_T_]

Прикольно но длинными подкалиберными стрелять не сможет

[@high-explosive]

Что за музыка?

[@djuravldc]

Saw theme - Hello Zepp

[@joaobatistasousaferreirafe8931]

Este dispositivo no tanque de guerra de brinquedo ficaria muito bom.

[@djuravldc]

Si :)

[@djuravldc]

Танк может быть модульным, это только схема заражения Извините за мой плохой русский

[@bekavalentine750]

this tank or its gun tower has no explosive panels for safety of the machine’s crews. Nice at one shells are getting into the compact parts of islands.

[@djuravldc]

@@bekavalentine750 anything can be added, this is just a concept. Implementation can be more advanced

[@a.t6066]

The concept is flawed. Armor piercing shells are too long

[@gcrme55]

where is manual loading when s*** happens. also mechanism is too long.

[@djuravldc]

Crew is completely separated from mechanism, so manual procedure would be to evacuate :) like in Armata, but I will think about it... Regarding length - I don't see it as an issue, ammo is stored away from crew and everything is balanced...

[@Vasilii9999]

Бред какойто! Пробитие брони разнесет этот танк на куски. В танках стараются делать компактнее боеукладку что делает ее защищеннее. Исключение танки т64 т72 т80 т90.

[@Artificial_Intelligence_Num8]

Тут не сильно больше, + если взорвется очень большой шанс выжить ведь необитаемая башня, от взрыва вышибные панели того же абрамса не очень спасут

[@СергейГорун]

Страшно наверное в такой воевать.

[@Artificial_Intelligence_Num8]

Да нет, это корабельное орудие

[@arifnurbain7722]

Oh its suck

[@paladin0654]

Putting ammo in the turret is never a good idea: look at all the Russian scrap metal in Ukraine.

[@bromine_35]

>Man-less turret >Perfect design for blowout panels to be used >Russian tanks don't even keep ammo in the turret You have no tank design insight

[@paladin0654]

@@bromine_35 Saw too many turret-less flame throwing T-72s to agree.

[@bromine_35]

@@paladin0654 I wasn't talking about russian tanls i was talking about the turret in the video And the whole reason the turret flys off on a T-72 is because of the auto-loading carousel that is umder the turret If you hit that magazine which is in the hull good enough it'll propell the turret out of the socket

[@хаХаха-д3м]

Слишком сложен механизм