The Jubilee Line's Ilford Extension

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[@alastairwood1745]

As a lifelong resident of UH??!, who has always lamented our non existant public transport connection, I am saddened and slightly angered we could have got an underground link but the bureaucrats at TFL yanked it away from us. Gits.

[@glynwelshkarelian3489]

You think you've been passed over in UH??!:!? If you'd grown up in Uh? then you would know the real meaning of 'marginal borderland'!

[@ttrjw]

No TfL then mate. It's LRT who are the gits you seek...

[@IshtarNike]

Most of this lies at the feet of central governments tbh. They command the overwhelming share of the capital funding which is where most of these projects are decided. The British government hasn't been ambitious or enterprising in the realms of the public good since probably the first postwar government. Everyone after than has either been tinkerers or wreckers, but precious few builders or pioneers.

[@NinjaSurferTrainspotting]

They probably only wanted to go to Ilford cause thamesmead isn't allowed trains as a rule

[@Da_Round_Car]

Why? That rule is kinda dumb

[@NinjaSurferTrainspotting]

​​@@Da_Round_Carfeels like a rule to me when every single proposal to extend to thamesmead has gone absolutely nowhere - it's mainly a joke tbh

[@EugeneMurray-z1b]

To Ilford or not to Ilford? That is the question Jago... Do you know the difference between the tragic and tragedy?

[@ahuman9143]

Thamesmead, compared to some areas of Havering such as: Collier Row and Harold Hill, has far better connectivity with public transport

[@NinjaSurferTrainspotting]

​@@ahuman9143thats true, but there have been many proposals to take a railway to thamesmead (like a lot), but none of them have ever succeeded, whereas other places with poorer connectivity may never have had a potential railway line

[@gsygsy]

I was brought up in Ilford. I wish we'd had the Elizabeth line back then. It would have made it much easier to escape to civilisation.

[@triton62674]

haha

[@FarmYard-Trains]

lmao

[@PokhrajRoy.]

“…using a sledgehammer to crack an egg…” is my new favourite phrase. Thank you

[@grahamstubbs4962]

But what if it were to be a particularly large egg?. Would that then not be the precise instrument for the job? I don't want to see the egg cup suitable for a dinosaur egg. But then again I've always been unsettled by washing-up. 🙂

[@stephenspackman5573]

Still better than using an egg to crack a sledgehammer, which I fear is the more common pattern.

[@Chris-gk3hp]

This is surely nuts. Stop egging him on...

[@karlosh9286]

I'd always heard it as a sledge hammer to crack a nut, but egg does work instead of nut !

[@michaelwright2986]

The Central Line always will be crowded. And always was. In 1962, for six months before going to university, I had a job in the Seat Reservation Office on Liverpool Street Station. I was living in Walthamstow. No fancy tube for us, but there was a rail line (I don't think it can have been steam--that was the Chingford line when I was much younger) and I could change onto the Central Line at Stratford. At about 8 am. Being young and rather full of myself, I devised a way of getting onto the tube. Wait outside the crowded carriage until the doors were just beginning to close and leap in. The crowd would squish back, and if I timed it right, the doors would have closed behind me before the rebound pushed me out again. Later, I learned about the rush hour pushers on the Tokyo metro/subway: things, of course, were done in a more orderly manner in Japan. That was a good time. Being in London, I thought I should check out various stuff, including the Proms. I went one night on a whim, and the main piece was Elgar's Cello Concerto. I knew nothing about music, but immediately felt that the young woman who was wrapping herself all round her instrument was something rather special, and it was indeed Jacqueline Duprey. It seems it was her second season; my ears were opened.

[@huwlloyd5406]

To have heard Jacqueline Duprey live ... quite incredible. You were so fortunate.

[@michaelwright2986]

@@huwlloyd5406 Yes indeed. Live is the word. As much as the music, it was the sight of this young woman in such an intense relationship with her instrument. My memories are doubtless modified after so many years, but it was the visual drama that got me first: as it still does, in various ways, with live performance. Some years later I had a job in Canberra. Still didn't know much about music, but there was this young singer from New Zealand making a stir, so I went to the concert. From the back row I heard Kiri Te Kanawa singing Strauss' Four Last Songs, and was blown away, and imprinted on the Strauss. One thing I realised for the first time was the sheer athleticism of singing at that level. Sometimes, you get lucky.

[@rwm2986]

Thanks Jago - the dreams and schemes department of TfL and its predecessors is alive and well!

[@frglee]

I’ve always wanted to see some use of those Jubilee platforms at Charing Cross, which I understand are still used very occasionally for Jubilee Line stock movements or as a contingency for breakdowns or emergencies. And rented out for filming - Wiki mentions 14 films with scenes shot there since 1987. You can also visit it as part of a tour by the London Transport museum. Last August a Jubilee Line passenger train even accidentally ventured down to the Charing Cross platforms! I always thought it was a great shame that phase 2 of the Jubilee Line was not built to Fenchurch Street (although it was built almost as far as Aldwych and initial works were made for an east-west tube alignment under City Thameslink station). But I guess there are now capacity problems on the Jubilee Line that would stop such a branch being added - as well as the issues involving using the Jubilee Line tube junction regularly after Green Park tube station. It'd be interesting to speculate what other possible future tube lines might one day use Charing Cross Jubilee Line Station. Maybe there's a transport planner who gets out the files sometimes and sighs a lot...

[@AmNotNuclear]

we're making the jubilee line as complicated as the district line with this one 🔥

[@captainjoshuagleiberman2778]

I would have suggested Tweedledee and Tweedledum for the two stations on the Ilford line.😊

[@MrJohnL21]

Here's another idea. Send the Jubilee line underground at Stratford with a short tunnel extension of about a mile or so to surface at a point just west of Leytonstone where there are currently two westbound Central Line tracks and room for an extra eastbound track next to the existing one. Expand Leytonstone station to two island platforms with a fourth track on the north side of the site linking straight onto the Newbury Park/Woodford branch when it leaves Leytonstone. Jubilee line trains will then operate that branch round to Hainault/Woodford, leaving Central Line trains to give a better service out to Epping. Central line access to the depot at Hainault will still be possible via the junction at Woodford or even at Leytonstone.

[@Tonydjjokerit]

Hmmm.....Someone on a KZbin channel said the Jubilee line was unextendable! However it sounds a very good idea!

[@maedero05]

Leytonstone, Hainnault would be a better terminus with the depot for emergencies !

[@imsbvs]

Not a new idea, I was aware of such idea 20 or 30 years ago when I lived near Gants Hill station. Would free up capacity for a better service on the line to Epping

[@JamesBrown-zu8iv]

Hang on! Why no one bother or notice from Victoria Line of Walthamstow Central into Leytonstone expansion, and/or any other as express line(s), no?

[@MrSmith1984]

It's a great idea. The only thing I would add to that is by also suggesting that the Jubilee Line Trains should be extended to 8-Car as part of this extension.

[@roderickmain9697]

To take a wild guess Id have said the unnamed stations would have been Forest Gate and Manor park. The rationale being its following an existing rail corridor (which the Elizabeth line now covers). Interestingly, while looking up google maps and hovering over Barking, it indicates that that station is on the Circle line. Is somebody not telling us something? I surmise that since the Elizabeth line has a lot of the eastern end of the proposed Jubilee line extension(s) its unlikely it will be extended in that direction ...if ever it is extended. Thanks Jago. Fascinating. Edit : It gets weirder ... Whitchapel is marked as the Elizabeth line but most of the eastward should be district stations have become Circle lines stops.... er - um

[@kieranpower97]

Crossrail 2 could be extended East to East Ham or South Woodford via Hackney Central, so who knows.

[@maidsenpai4618]

The two random stations were probably a combination of either Maryland, Forest Gate or Manor Park.

[@57bananaman]

I moved to Ilford in 1990 and at that time the old railway corridor from Ilford to Newbury Park (that was closed after WW2 when the Central Line to Hainault opened) was still unbuilt upon. My understanding is that Redbridge Council were leaving it like that in case the Jubilee Line extension to Ilford ever occurred, so that it could continue to Newbury Park and beyond. Once the building of the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford went ahead parts of the old railway corridor had housing built on them.

[@cannonboltVsXLR8]

Love a jubilee centric video, means many shots of the beautiful sound the jubilee makes upon accelerating/decelerating

[@paulyp9163]

Thanks Jago, very interesting for an Ilfordian, turned Barkingite. Lovely to see what we might have had.

[@RendererEP]

From the pan into the fire

[@PokhrajRoy.]

3:26 Absolutely genius placeholder names. You have the mind of a mastermind.

[@ClydebridgeStation]

City thameslink station concourse was designed in a way, to allow any extension beyond charing cross, to have easy interchange there. Also, experimental tunnels were dug, 300 metres long, near new cross as well.

[@DesiroDriver]

We appreciate you too Stig. Soooooo much! Thanks for everything you do for us.

[@ricktownend9144]

The thing that intrgues me about the Jubilee extension as we got it is the attitude to interchanges. The bouts of tube building prior to the Jubilee featured real passenger-friendly cross-platform interchanges, culminating in the Victoria line's five. Of course the Jubilee benefitted from taking over the existing excellent interchanges at Finchley Road etc. from the Bakerloo, plus the 'Y' platforms at Baker Street, but there were no attempts at any new stations after that - the designers seem to have had the impression that people really love walking long distances between trains - like catching a plane at Heathrow airport, for example! On the final bit of the extension there would have been opportunities for easy exchange with the DLR from Canning Town onwards and, at Stratford itself, the station could have extended northwards under all the main line platforms with quick and simple stairs/escalators/lifts to interchange. I wonder, if any of the earlier plans you mention had come to fruition, would we have had the benefit of the previous generation of planners who thought that passenger convenience at interchanges was important?

[@rainyfeathers9148]

Back in the 80s, I was in a London railway proposal~🎶. We have family in Leytonstone, would've been nice to be one train away🥺.

[@trevormillar1576]

What happened to the works ay Ludgate Circus? I remember looking down the shaft from top of a bus and going "Ooh!", as did everybody else!

[@katrinabryce]

I guess we now have the situation where both the Central and Elizabeth LInes are overcrowded, so do everything there except the branch to London Bridge.

[@MrSmith1984]

Hence why Kier Starmer should be looking at an upgrade of the Elizabeth Line, which should have had a 4-Track Core in the first place.

[@IshtarNike]

​@@MrSmith1984Thinking ahead? Spending money now to avoid spending money in the future? Pffft. How very un-British of you.

[@MrSmith1984]

@@IshtarNike Britain isn't exactly above getting inspiration from other nations, it's a shame they don't do it more often though...

[@sssdddkkksss]

Could you do a video on transit-oriented-development around existing stations? Especially Kidbrooke. But you could look at Southall, Hayes & Harlington, Croydon, Sutton, Nine Elms, Elephant & Castle, Lewisham, Deptford Bridge, Woolwich, Plumsted, Beckton Riverside, Barking Riverside, Rainham (Beam Park), Barking, llford, Stratford, Wembley Park, Walthamstow Central, Tottenham Hale, Meridian Water, Brent Cross Town, All the Actons, Cheshunt, Luton Airport Parkway, Welwyn Garden City, Carpenders Park, Chelmsford, Queens Park/Kilburn High Road, Canada Water, Tolworth, Wandsworth (Gasworks), Neasden, and more.

[@lordgemini2376]

Great idea!

[@sharynkhan1104]

Thank you for information I didn't know about it. Tbh I think the Elizabeth line is absolutely perfect, no more noisy overcrowding on the central line. Only one negative thing about the Elizabeth line is that the seats are not overly comfortable 😆

[@adrianbaron4994]

There is said to be an underground passive provision at City Thameslink, with a locked door leading to it, for the Jubilee line to build an interchange station there, and a similar provision at Cannon Street as the assumed Jubilee Line " Fleet Line" route was to be towards Docklands via Fenchurch Street. Given that the overrun tunnels from the JL station at Charing Cross point in the right general direction and reach a fair way towards Aldwych ( no interchange with the Piccadilly stub end Aldwych branch was proposed however ) and an interchange with Thameslink at CLTL and then the District / Circle Line at CS, taking some pressure off it, and then the mainline at Fenchurch Street all make sense, it's a surprise it was never built. If it was built it would take some pressure off the Central and Liz lines and also part of the Circle / District, but of course there's no money any more.

[@nickbarber2080]

I'm pretty sure that provision was safeguarded,at least,at Aldwych as well...I couldn't say if any actual work was done,though.

[@ttrjw]

@@nickbarber2080 Jubilee overrun tunnels are just east of Aldwych.

[@Saint_Dan132]

another belter of a video thankyou mate

[@MrGreatplum]

I’m glad that the jubilee line ended up going the way it did - very useful for trains into London Bridge!

[@teecefamilykent]

Brilliant video sir.

[@Jimyjames73]

Very good Jago - always informative as per usual!!! 😊🚂🚂🚂

[@rupep2424]

Hope to see a future vid of the DLR extended to Thamesmead 🤔

[@NinjaSurferTrainspotting]

We hope

[@Regailion]

Happened to be looking at the map today and I think a relatively straightforward extension could be bringing the District (or more likely overground) out of Richmond, through Twickenham and Kingston and perhaps out to Hampton court

[@CheshireTomcat68]

I love that the graphic to Ilford is black and white. A well developed idea. Say cheese.

[@myonlydemandisbacktowork8759]

I initially read this as “I love that the graphic of Ilford is black and white”😂

[@Hiro_Trevelyan]

I love the placeholder names.

[@ShedTV]

I think they should've made wiggly like in the poster.

[@dancedecker]

Excellent as alwsys Jago. I also liked hearing those lovely Jubilee Line train noises. Yes, easily pleased, possibly, but they do sound excellent. And you did a video all about just that factor. So I don't think I'm alone.

[@meijiturtle3814]

The Westcombe Park terminus interests me as for 12 years I lived midway between there and Charlton station. It would have been a most convenient commute into central London.

[@a11oge]

JH - pleased to see very good use of maps. 🖖

[@T.Green.]

Really good video. Nice one mate.

[@mdhazeldine]

Personally I'm glad we ended up with what we got. I travel into Waterloo all the time, and being able to take the Jubilee East or West from there is immensely useful compared to having to go to Charing Cross and then change. I'm often taking it to Westminster, Bond Street, London Bridge or Canary Wharf.

[@wickiezulu]

In theory a Jubilee route to Ilford (ideally with the real-life route to Stratford running further north to Tottenham Hale onwards) could have provided an invaluable way to revive the link from Ilford onto the Hainault Loop at Newbury Park and aligned with various inchoate schemes to extend the Central (or another line) from Newbury Park to Collier Row onwards (up to Harold Hill or even Brentwood?) via a diversion at Alderborough Hatch. That would together with a Victoria route to Woodford/South Woodford or even running through the Hainault Loop to meet the Jubilee would have together done much to relieve the Central Line.

[@wickiezulu]

As for the other two possible stations between Stratford and Ilford, if running underground it would have made sense to provide some link or interchange with the Goblin suggesting either Forest Gate and Woodgrange Park or Wanstead Park and Manor Park. An out of box alternative would involve schemes for a stop in Cann Hall area on the Goblin and some additional stop before Ilford, even if it would be questionable due to the sharp turn towards Ilford.

[@asp1280]

Can we please just eventually get a train link into the borough of bexley... theres only abbey wood but its such a hassle to get to

[@Rishnotfishandnochips]

Hey, any ideas on how to get to UH??! Station? The tube connection is pretty lacking…

[@stuartparks8094]

The Ludgate Hill end of City Thameslink allegedly has passive provision for escalators to the Jubilee line

[@kenmorris100]

Good evening Jago I am sure you are a regular user of the Jubilee line from your residence at 222B Baker Street given the amount of detective work you undertake to produce these excellent videos. As always they highlight the failure of the politicians to understand that transport infrastructure requires long term investment and not the bit piece approach that has bedevilled the evolution of London's Underground since 1948. The Jubilee Line was a cut down version of the Fleet Line that only reached Charring Cross and not to reach New Cross, likewise they are still debating the extension of the Bakerloo Line to Camberwell and beyond. Most people do not realise that a Private Act of Parliament is required to construct or extend an Underground railway. The Original Crossrail Bill was It was presented (as a private Bill) to the House of Commons on 22 January 1991. This was blocked by a number of objections and failed. It took until 2005 before a revised Bill was submitted and eventually passed in 2008 with construction started in 2009. The only positive is that as built The Elizabeth Line has far more capacity and general circulation space than the 1991 version would have been. Keep up the good work.

[@johnmurray8428]

Does everything, except buses, bypass Thamesmead?

[@stephenlee5929]

Yep, pretty sure that's true.

[@tiredpathos]

3:26, ah yes, my favourite stations Uh? and UH??!

[@GamerFlair]

I would guess the stations between Stratford and Ilford probably would have been Forest Gate and Manor Park, mirroring what they eventually did with the Elizabeth Line, or it might have swung down south Via West and East Ham.

[@magicdave4587]

Was just about to say this but I guess you beat me to it, you need more likes for your very realistic theory

[@user-ob3rv7xn5i]

How about Woodgrange Park?

[@alanwest7773]

A few people in the distant past told me that there was a proposal once to extend the Central Line eastwards to Harold Hill. I have never found any records of this proposal and wonder if it was invented by mischievous people.

[@ahuman9143]

I'd take nothing over the Central line coming into Havering, well until those horrid 92's are gone

[@EnglishFolkPhotos]

I remember it being proposed. I don't know if it was serious or just a councillor in the new fangled GLC sounding off.

[@Rishnotfishandnochips]

Jago, the other day I was watching a video by “Les Frenchies” where they were doing metro stations tourists should avoid and which ones they should use instead and thinking maybe the tube could use an equivalent video. Suggestions could include Covent Garden, Bank, and maybe Liverpool Street?

[@OstrogothRome]

And at the other, Stanmore, end we had exciting plans for an extension through Dunstable, Buckingham, Daventry, Tamworth, Cannock Chase and Market Drayton to terminate at Wellington South (change here for Telford), where you would have got the world['s only funicular tube line up The Wrekin. That Wrekin footpath gets seriously overcrowded in Bank Holidays you know.

[@shero113]

Stanmore was designed as a through station, same as Edgware and High Barnet, for onward extension, with both Stanmore and Edgware to reach Watford Junction. One wonders if the Watford extension of the Metropolitan would have been altered to reach Watford Junction too? That would have been fascinating, from Watford Junction two Metropolitan Railway routes to London, one via Wembley, one via Stanmore.

[@eddisstreet]

From 1979 until 1990 I lived in Ilford (well Seven Kings) and I don't remember ever hearing about this proposal.

[@danieleyre8913]

I have long through that the DLR should be extended to Charing cross from bank via an interchange at Ludgate circus with thameslink.

[@CaseyJonesNumber1]

0:33 Stanmore in London's western suburbs? I think you're getting yourself confused with Stanwell!

[@NetCafeCat]

I've been here since less than 10k subs. Lets get Jago to 300k! Train nerds unite!

[@JetskiDex]

TFL will make up any excuse, literally any, to not extend the tube to South London. They can make proposals about extensions anywhere else, but when it comes to south London, they pull out any excuse to not consider it.

[@ianmoseley9910]

I would think the two unnamed stations might be 1) close to Wanstead Park/Forest Gate and 2) Manor Park/Woodgrange Park

[@kimbledunster]

How much of The Underground is actually, well, under the ground? In terms of stations, track miles, passenger embarkations or whatever other metrics are available?

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

Afternoon

[@wickiezulu]

Between Ludgate (aka City Thameslink) and Liverpool Street, was there potential for an additional stop at Lothbury near Bank as an interchange yet with a similar if slightly longer underground walkway between Lothbury and Moorgate to the walkway between Bank and Monument?

[@jeremypreece870]

So, at 1:54 we have the answer. Jubilee Line wasn't overcrowded because it hadn't been built. If you didn't build the central line then it could never have become overcrowded. So close all of the tube system and overcrowding is solved!

[@farid3993]

Jubilee extension from Stratford to Walthamstow Central! Then maybe up to Chingford Mount.

[@D34dlyTidsy]

Hi Jago, I just saw a video on what New York is doing to stop their metro flooding and it got me thinking about the tube. It seems rare that it floods (last time 2022 maybe?) but I wonder if you know if there is any engineering they have done/ are doing about this?

[@markbright662]

The economic game changer for east London would be connecting Leytonstone (central line) and Walthamstow (Victoria line).

[@MrSmith1984]

I'm surprised this extension was actually proposed. Considering that Crossrail (now the Elizabeth Line) was already being proposed at the same time.

[@Andrewjg_89]

I do think that the Jubilee Line should have extended from Stratford to Chingford with a new Stratford International Jubilee Line station next to the HS1 and DLR station. And a new Jubilee Line station at Leyton town centre.

[@AFCManUk]

I've been all over London on the tubes down the years, even out to Upminster, but I've never been out to Epping, or round the Hainault Loop. Is it any good? Much to see?

[@telhudson863]

It's an excellent line although Roding Valley tends to get overcrowded.

[@EllieMaes-Grandad]

Take food and drink - travelling times might be longer than you think . . .

[@sharynkhan1104]

Definitely worth travelling to Epping you have the forest nearby and some lovely shops the train journey is above so you can see the beautiful countryside

[@DavidShepheard]

I think that Crossrail is a better thing than your Jubilee Line extension because: * It uses full size trains that are longer than Jubilee Line trains, * It is a much longer line than the Jubilee Line and * It follows more of the Central Line, so creates a bigger "express Central Line" effect than the old Jubilee Line extension would have. Moving forward, I think we need more Crossrail-like lines that essentially go under London in a straight line, and that do not turn back on themselves, like the Jubilee Line does. I even think that, in the future, it might be worth splitting up the Jubilee Line between Waterloo and Canary Wharf and sending the trains from Stanmoor to South East London and sending the trains from Stratford to South West London. (And just to be clear, I mean two new tunnels all the way between Waterloo and Canary Wharf, so that both routes go parallel to each other, for several stations.)

[@NiallDevitt-e8i]

Superb history as ever.....Easily the best by a mile. By the way, are you interested in an interview for a four vol new history of the tube? First vol on Victorian period out soon? I an writing a section on popular culture and social media. You put the others to same.

[@JagoHazzard]

Thank you! Yeah, I’d be up for that - drop me an email and we’ll set a thing up!

[@NathansTransportCommuntiy]

nice

[@alantheskinhead]

Things I have never done living here for thirty years. Gone on the Lizzy Line!

[@user-eg8pv2om7j]

Can you find the mysterious station and Portmeirion ( North Wales ) in Westcombe park area ?

[@alexisdespland4939]

at some point london transport should really turn the jubilee line into a circle be extending the line north from straford vis fincley and the mill hill brach of the northern line to stan more where it would rejoin itself. this would massivly make traveling within north london easier.

[@shero113]

Rebuilding the GNR to Edgware would be great, except that there's housing around Copthall (and a couple of new bridges would be needed at Page Street and Deansbrook). However, from Edgware to Stanmore it would be very difficult, although short. Whilst much of the route is part of a park, getting from Edgware to Canons Park (the park, not the station) would be difficult. The alternative would be to re-build the line north of Edgware (but it would mean destroying some new houses), then use 'cut'n'cover' to get to Stanmore via the abandoned Brockley Hill station (about to be turned into housing).

[@johnkellett7797]

Has the Elizabeth Line reduced traffic on the Central Line as hoped?

[@cadetlimbo]

always puzzled me that the extension never took a deeper route into south and possibly even a southern terminus. i understand the limitations of the soft ground historically but surely by the 90's these were issues that would be far less impactful. i guess the final blow must have been the cost (as with most things) but still, in 2024, i'm still surprised by the lack of connectivity into central london from south of the river. the positive impact it would have on boosting the local economies with the addition of new connections is surely something they must be tempted by as at least a possibility now. great video nonetheless, thank you!

[@pauljmccluskey5532]

Hi Jago: In an ideal world, it’s a shame the Jubilee Line doesn’t run alongside the section, including Romford, via Goodmayes, Chadwell Heath, Ilford et cetera et cetera et cetera 😊

[@seanbonella]

Fine again from the JAGO H

[@stephengreenwald5271]

Stanmore a western suburb? How could you?

[@CaseyJonesNumber1]

Must have got confused with Stanwell...which IS in the western suburbs...

[@GeorgeChoy]

good morning Jago

[@TannithVQ]

Greater connection ought to be th name of a tube link that solves e everything

[@txkenxbrexken8096]

So is this going to occur?

[@TMan786]

Yes, yes Jago that's all well and good but what role did the dastardly Charles Yerkes play in this sorry saga? That's why we're all here.

[@kimbledunster]

Uh?? and UH?? stations' place holder names were just a blind. The stations were going to be called CTY, Yerkes West and Yerkes Central or such...

[@TMan786]

@@kimbledunster 😁

[@RaiyanNoor-er4bi]

There is no traffic on the London underground

[@richarddiver1562]

Right, hold my coat…! They should taken the Ilford option but then linked it up with the Hainault branch of the Central Line thus rebuilding the original Great Eastern line… err or the original Central Line…or whatever!?🤔😊

[@EugeneMurray-z1b]

To Ilford or not to Ilford?

[@paintedpilgrim]

And again what was so attractive to planners about taking over either the Epping branch or the loop to Hainault, first the Victoria line, then the Jubilee line extension (this version) and now a branch of Cross rail 2 -should that ever get built.... Rhetorical question I know but are they just trying to simplify the central line and lose a few passengers to other (new) lines or is it a way to say to government "see we are saving money by using this bit of infrastructure So give us more to spend on this bit and we can get a whole new line....??

[@ahuman9143]

The loop has never seemed to have functioned as a loop... so in reality there's no need for such a stupid thing to exist, if you're only terminating trains part way through it rather than running services through the loop.

[@kurt479]

This isn’t really needed though due to the fact you can just change onto the overground to get to ilford

[@nicks4934]

That video is in mirror image!

[@kitchenhamfarm]

wow jago you hit 222,222 while Jeff Marshall hit 333,333 what are the odds

[@BulletNoseBetty]

So, would resident of Uh? be referred to as Uh-ites or Uh-ians?

[@doctordeej]

I’d like to rename on of the place holder names, instead of uh? And UH??, I’d have Uh, and Uh-Oh!

[@tantaf123]

Oh no! I’m 5 hours late :( but hey, I still love watching these videos :)

[@7mus7y]

As a long time subscriber, when do we get to see your face?

[@JagoHazzard]

I’ve already shown it - just not on this channel…

[@NextSound170]

The next station is UH?! Due to the nature of the area

[@simplesimon2802]

I live in Ilford and regret that the trains on the Colchester service no longer call here ... these ran non-stop between Ilford and Liverpool Street, taking about a dozen minutes - a journey time significantly less than Elizabeth line trains which call at 5 intermediate stations. The only advantage of the Lizzy line is the 'one seat' possibility when travelling to the West End, Paddington or even further west.

[@DeathInTheSnow]

Man, the amount of bloody times I've got off at Uh? when I meant to get off at UH??! when trying to get home is infuriating. I wouldn't mind, except that they're nearly 7km apart because for _some reason_ somebody in the 80s thought that making it travel wildly north to Wanstead Flats before swerving back south to Beckton District Park and then back north to Ilford was a grand idea! "You'll be there in a heartbeat!", said the old advertising marquee. We didn't realise at the time that they were referring to the line's _shape._

[@MichaelCampin]

Or change to the Overground to Ilford

[@shero113]

What, no proposed (but cancelled) extension to Thamesmead?

[@sunjamm222]

Once again LFT forgets the areas of Uh? and UH??! are well developed areas of commerce and housing. On a very important route to Liford. I mean TFL could not ill afford to ignore these places.

[@eastlancsesteem]

So many abandoned extension plans 😂