James Romero On Extracting PROFIT From DRAWS

[@PokerCoaching]

What would YOU do with K♥ 9♥ on the flop? Your Stack (SB): 279,000 Their Stack (BB): 279,000 Pot: 48,000 Board: A♥ Q♥ 3♦ You bet 24,000, BB raises to 72,000 A) Fold B) Call C) Raise to 120,000 (small) D) Raise to 279,000 (all in)

[@jppagetoo]

I'd call and see what the turn brings. You have about 40% to hit the nut flush by the river. I don't put him on an A so I also may have 3 K's as outs. You also have some backdoor straights. This is about a coin flip or you might even be a slight favorite. You can't fold, thats way too nitty. A raise could put you all in with only K high and a flush draw in so why risk a raise? Float the call see what happens.

[@filipmode125]

I would call, we have too much equity to fold here. Looking for a turn that doesn’t pair the board and is hopefully a heart, obv.

[@michaelfluharty7904]

Call

[@dansdosis]

My stupid ass would jam

[@jerrygarcia4390]

B) Call

[@122222770]

I like these break downs, but the question of how to play the best hand when you hit a huge flush is not too difficult to figure out, especially in comparison to all of the other crazy positions you may get into..

[@peteradnell2202]

It would be even more interesting to hear what he had in mind if an insignificant card without a heart came on the turn. But i guess you can still be happy that the world's best poker player spoke out anyway.

[@founik]

I like the shove on turn. As was said in the video, there might appear a lot of action killers on the River. +2 pair hand is more likely to call on the turn than on the river. Well played 🙂 This is the spot, where I sometimes forget to ship it all in. Then the opponent makes a slugish fold on the river.

[@ML-sj3gi]

I think in general turn is the place to get the money in isn't it. They say they might be behind, BUT you might be on a draw and also they might suck out. Behind + chance + chance = call. On the river it is behind, so fold.

[@johnhammersmith8487]

Great format for instructional videos. Thanks Jonathan and James!

[@G0DofRock]

I tend to shove like this in the turn but find you can extract more value by calling and let them bet the river, and make sure the board doesn't pair.

[@qazzaqstan]

Simple call, we probably have 0 fold equity on a raise even a jam (unless they have a worse heart draw in which case we definitely don't want them to fold) as far as odds we are given a direct price here and they are never getting away from a big hand so we even have a small amount of implied odds (though not much given stack sizes).

[@PokerCoaching]

Awesome, totally agree!

[@conradcoolerfiend]

good point that we dont want flush draws to fold. didnt think about that.

[@andrewbowers981]

4:00 B. Absolutely calling here. Folding is way too weak with the nut flush draw on a non-paired board. 3-betting is terrible because we get steamrolled by the opponents value hands and allow them to get away from their bluffs. We'll just call and re-evaluate on the turn, maybe check-call turn and check-fold river if we miss.

[@andrewbowers981]

Also forgot to mention payouts: playing 50BBs deep, two away from the money, having your opponent covered, and in this big of a field where people are going to get knocked out fast, you cannot be an ICM nit here when you have such a big draw. This is such a great chance to chip up in the tournament, and if you somehow get some unlucky full house over flush beat, just take your min cash and call it a day.

[@justie1220]

Seems like a good spot to call flop and fold vs further aggression on turn or river barring a heart

[@nighttrain316]

so then what would you do in the turn if a blank comes? Check? or lead out? If you check, then player B pots or goes all in..then what in your opinion kind Sir?

[@michaelbenfield3175]

Awesome video as usual. Every time I watch one I feel like my poker IQ goes up. Thanks!

[@PokerCoaching]

Glad you like them!

[@ArninhoDuebelinho]

i would fold pre as the bb on the money bubble. that video is a perfect example why.

[@admranger]

How should the BB play the hand? Did he play correctly and got unlucky or was it a blunder (I think it was a blunder but I am not an expert).

[@stephentaylor6617]

If you are the Big Blind in this hand, you going broke the vast majority of the time. Can’t get away from a straight and flush draw against an aggressive player.

[@thomasclark5413]

Problem with calling the flop raise instead of jamming is what happens when we peel and then brick turn? Do we check jam, check call, or check fold turn bet? I feel like im just check jamming flop there

[@TheNadohs]

I feel really proud of myself for calling villians exact hand on the turn.

[@phillipholmes5206]

I think it's a difficult spot, and am tempted to say fold or jam all-in. Yes you made your flush, this time, but putting in a 5th of your stack and missing on the turn puts you in a world of hurt, and possibly losing 3/5 of your stack or everything if you go to the river and miss again.

[@GLNDALE52]

I think in a vlog you made recently about being on the bubble, the correct play is to Rippit. So that's what I would do.

[@ewar777]

Excellent video Jonathan !

[@PokerCoaching]

Thank you very much!

[@kellymcelree6986]

Outstanding video. Guy knows his stuff.

[@michaelfluharty7904]

Awesome vid. Thank you

[@PokerCoaching]

Glad you liked it!

[@FefeLeVrai]

I actually didn't give him credit for a big hand. He has so little for value (A3, 33, Q3s) and can have a lot of draws. If on top of this he can raise with just an ace (without having AK/AQ in his range), you have good reasons to 3bet jam here. Good fold equity, and king high can even be the best hand, you don't want to play passive and lose to some random JT turning a pair.

[@conradcoolerfiend]

I had the same gut feeling as you initially, however i think there are less draws in his range than it feels like. Only flush draws make sense. and since the ace, king and queen and 9 are out, there are not that many draws. Only 1 combo of each: J10, J8, J7, 10 8, 10 7, 8 7, 8 6, 7 6, 6 5, 5 4, 4 3, 3 2. 12 combos. VS combos of value: 9 combos of A3, 2 combos of Q3s, 3 combos of 33, thats 14 combos. Add to that that he doesn't raise with the draws and AJ/A10 every time. So I think his range when he raises the flop is like 2/1 value to bluffs. In that case, calling is probably better? Plus, if he is on a FD, we dont want him to fold it out!

[@AkashKumar-wu8tu]

I had KsJs 5-10$ cash game. I had 1200$ villian had 440$ .Villian opened the pot with 35$ so he has a preety strong hand.. I knew.. So i called for the flop for my outs. The flop comes AsTS4d. I checked he puts 50$. So he has ace for sure AA or AK or AQ. So i called as I had a good equity. The turn came 7c. He shoves all in. Should I call? My equity b4 turn was ~50%. But after turn for the river it was ~25%. I did and i lost 440$😩

[@PokerCoaching]

You put your opponent on way too tight of a range. Check/shove flop is probably ideal, given the short stack to pot ratio.

[@CarlosMartinez-ni3nx]

how to extract value on draws: just hit the turn

[@thomaspreston3618]

I am going to call and raise small on the turn to see if he will shove all in.

[@carstenhafner7117]

b) because we give him credit. Second best option to shove all-in?🤔

[@bbbulldog61]

Good 👍😊 video

[@michaelchin8934]

Hey Jon, I know this is a really advanced technique but I hear the best players saying I rolled a 98 which in turn makes them do a certain move. Can you make a video on what the whole process of this looks like. Im sure it requires a lot of memorization with the ratios and stuff but I want to know what this is.

[@michaelchin8934]

@@dylanhom58 ok thanks boss, I’m assuming in order to do this you must spend hours in the lab memorizing the ratios in order to realize when you are in a certain spot?

[@michaelchin8934]

@@dylanhom58 okay thanks for the knowledge, and yes in order to do stuff like roll you need to be playing very good players. I asked the question because Wiktor Malinowski said he rolled a 98 to Fedor Holtz when they were playing a heads up online cash game.

[@Boxman911]

Hey Jonathan I think you are spot on!! I also want to let you know that my brother and I are semi pro players who play 20 days out of the month and we totally agreed that the two best analyst of poker are you and Bart Hansen. Not sure how you gonna take that but I’m just gonna tell you this buddy you’re one of the best I’m 60 years old and my brother is 65 … OMC My older brother looks like an OMC but I don’t so unfortunately I don’t get the credit. Any case I really really respect your analysis you’re awesome buddy. Take care of your family and enjoy the poker world

[@PokerCoaching]

Thanks!

[@Alexandertygreat]

Lololol the end of this video is such an amazing view into this generation, the guy has looked up to see if he is the most popular james Reamout in the world. Just brilliant

[@williammickle9947]

Dwindled options. 1 pot sized bet left after a call. Jamming puts maximum pressure even with good hand cred. Jam.

[@williammickle9947]

I forgot it's the bubble. Call. Can't fold w nut draw.

[@rubberroast1598]

when you hit the stone cold nuts immediately on the turn after calling a flop raise, I would not classify this video on "how to play a draw" for advice from a top professional. Would be more helpful if it were given the insight from opponent perspective here, or how it should have been played on turn when you are still on a "draw" . Much more difficult scenario......

[@MugenTJ]

wow a cooler~ what to do?

[@mateskib]

I think this is all or nothing here. You have to do the thing that will give you the best chance to win, and that is going all in to try and get the fold and then have a chance to hit the nuts if he calls. So to me its either all in or fold. I would evaluate the other players decision based on my table image for this session and also their style of play/experience level, and decide based on that. I'm talking about after the flop.

[@Young-ep8ik]

Shoving on the flop is a disaster. You are making worse draws to fold and strong made hands are definitely going to call. That's taking the most risk for the least EV.

[@antonios4553]

I would see one more card with that raise for a call. If it bricks, I check it hoping to see a freebie on the river. An all-in is frisky but a hopeful play with enough equity to justify a missed run out. Call.

[@ClarkPotter]

Hit the nut flush and jam. Got it 👍

[@kineahora8736]

If he has a strong hand, he will take a stand despite the bubble. So we have to call and try to realize our equity. B.

[@sevenseven6123]

Imagine the turn would have been a Jack of Spades instead. He ges for the same betting line. What would you do? Call it and see the river? Fold to another bet there? What if in this scenario he jams on the turn?

[@bigj200016]

The only wrong answers on the flop are small raise or fold. Either ripping all in or calling seem fine here, but with draws as strong as this, I’d prefer a call.

[@Young-ep8ik]

Shoving on the flop is a disaster. You are making worse draws to fold and strong made hands are definitely going to call.

[@OrevShalom]

I would've folded preflop now that it's here being played I'm calling on flop

[@ArninhoDuebelinho]

yes exactly. bb played his hand very bad and got maximum damage.

[@hdnt2004]

Folding isn't an option, jamming what are we trying to get called by, if he has a weaker flush draw, we want them to stay in. The pot is going to be 216K if we flat, leaving us with a 1:1 stack to pot ratio on the turn, so proceed cautiously, if we don't put any more chips in on the turn or river, we still have 34BB's.

[@robertomercer]

Got to go with at this point call

[@garrykimovich]

This would've been more instructive to tell us how to play the 45 in the BB.

[@LevelofClarity]

How to get value from draws: Bink the nuts when the villain has a super strong hand and get all the money in the middle. Now we know.

[@joeybets8981]

Easy call. We get incredible odds to draw. If we raise we get nothing to fold and we are flipping for a 100bb pot on the bubble which is terrible considering we probably have an edge post flop

[@danman274]

probably just all in, our hand is good enough and we have fold equity, don't really see what clicking back accomplishes

[@thetruthhurts9112]

You can bluff the turn with kk with the king of hearts ;)

[@mikoajpiatek6716]

It would've been really interesting if the turn was as the 3h🙃

[@gabrieljonsson7821]

B) Call. Raising only gets action from really strong hands, and I want him to stick around with worse hands.

[@songojune]

How do we hit the flush over 20% on the turn? 9 hearts / 47 = 19% ?

[@conradcoolerfiend]

yeah i think he meant to say a little under 20%. not a big diff tho.

[@PokerCoaching]

Correct, it's just ~about 20% of the time!

[@PhonyBologna]

Assuming both players have hearts 7 hearts are left in the deck (not 9), so ~15%.

[@conradcoolerfiend]

@@PhonyBologna you don’t assume what your opponent has like that.

[@PhonyBologna]

@@conradcoolerfiend Thank you for your useless comment! And yes, you do assume what your opponent has, it's called putting them on a range. It's literally the core of hand reading, but that's besides the point his question wasn't clear as it's not proper English. I added a bit of information in case he meant how, "How often do we hit the flush over flush, 20% on the turn?", since others already answered the other interpretations of their question. Congrats, you've won the useless comment award!

[@georgedesmyter1033]

All in.

[@davidgibbins8812]

Call. Again getting into a dogfight this early on a draw is dangerous - especially on the bubble. I think my hand has great value but that value isnt truly there yet. Lets call and see that sweet sweet turn card

[@RunGoodRudolph]

Jam!

[@mycommentpwnz]

After the flop hit, there was a 0% chance all the money wasn't going in XD

[@alexettinger4550]

B) Call

[@StreetSoulLover]

I actually really like how the villain played this hand, well played by both players

[@ArninhoDuebelinho]

he played it like shit. its the money bubble, easy fold pre or at least he should pot controll which he did not and it cost him

[@rodrigo06101990doom]

That would change everything trust me

[@dennisje2925]

I would call here

[@uggibugg95]

Wtf is he on about saying he could have Kh9s? Did he panic and name a random hand? There's no way he calls a raise on the flop with K9o on the bubble lol...

[@ArninhoDuebelinho]

exactly. complete nonsense hes talking there. as he he would ever float k9 and then check raise that turn with air on the bubble against almost equal stack. maybe he tries to make up an image :)

[@uggibugg95]

@@ArninhoDuebelinho yeah, I’m pretty sure he just made it up because he said he would shove with KhX and when Jonathan asked what KhX he would have, he realized there are none 😂

[@ArninhoDuebelinho]

@@uggibugg95 gotta build up that image as the best player in the world

[@NathanSpiwak]

I'd call the raise and try to get there.

[@PokerCoaching]

Same! :)

[@jolaz69]

If I get raised on the flop with the nut flush draw and I have the other guy covered, I’m going to rip it back in his face. That way I have two ways to win.

[@hymnofashes]

I initially thought this was a call, because you hold 2 hearts which weights his range toward made hands. Also the board should be better for your range as the raiser, so he shouldn't have many bluff raises as you're not going to fold an ace when you raise blind vs blind. If he has mostly made hands, and he's disinclined to do anything suicidal on the bubble, then it seems like we should try to make our hand and get paid afterward. Even if we can't extract much value out of position once we get there, it's better than shoveling it in and getting shown AQo and then losing 95% of our stack 2/3 of the time. This was what I thought. But that's what he KNOWS I thought. And he didn't *have* ace-queen. What thick value can he really have on this flop? I don't think most people have a very robust strategy for 3-betting the flop, cash game donks such as myself always seem to do it with big hands on wet boards, and when they have monster draws themselves, especially OOP, to avoid miserable spots where they have to fold brick turns once they lose half their equity. But James is not a donk. He is the ultimate machine, so masculine. Tournament regs are more likely to bet-call with the strong draw because ICM suicide and such. So, maybe our villain is exploiting us, thinking he will raise-fold the bullshit such as he has here if we 3-bet jam the flop, because our 3-bet range will be too strong. Maybe he thinks we will call with all of our draws, even the strong ones, and shove only made hands. The disaster scenario is obviously where we bet-call and end up check-folding on the turn to the worse draw, which is obviously going to happen more often than not especially when both people are on the hearts. He owns our soul and crushes our poker dream and puts on glittering sunglasses and takes our women and we slowly become degenerate casino regulars because we didn't 3-bet the flop. Clearly I am at the stage of my poker career where if I thought long, I would have thought wrong! The exploit to his exploit is to jam the flop because you can't get exploited when you're all in with a bunch of equity. Are we bluff-catching with king-high? Probably not! Yeah, he could have made his flush and got paid by crying ace-king, but that was plan B. Plan A was to move us off our entire bet-call range on brick turns because he "shouldn't" be bluff-raising this flop. And it probably would have worked, except we overflushed him and he got fucked. But that's why I think shoving the flop now is a good idea. You could bet-call some worse flush draws.

[@carlspencer855]

All in every time he would only call with trips and we still got 36% chance of getting there

[@Keil253]

I'm a fish, I call

[@jnqt]

that’s a call for me dog

[@johnnyhighroller8914]

How to extract maximum value with draws? Just flush over flush someone 50bb effective blind vs blind on the bubble! Its that easy!!!

[@cyrilgonzales1916]

Fold even though we r 40%. We need to save chips at the bubble and he rarely bluffing here. Lastly, we r not the favorite. A re raise will almost always get called and we already know we r behind

[@ironmonkey1512]

you are better than 40% when you factor in worse flush draws

[@aryazandi7070]

I would call without any hesitation.

[@Solwa54]

Interesting spot, as usual. I probably would have shoved before watching this.

[@abdullahshaikh4422]

All in run it twice

[@rljpdx]

easy one time call

[@easstttt]

I hate calling OOP Jonathan but I think this is just one of those spots :(

[@skrufy11]

Hahaha my first hand i put villian on was 45 of hearts hahahha

[@doubleaalanderson4571]

Call. Plenty of equity, he may check the turn, he's likely to call an allin with AK-AQ-AJ-A3-33.

[@jon77vill]

I’m calling all day.

[@jasonhounsell3297]

So raise everything, assume your opponent won’t be bluffing, when they are - cooler them and take the money. Best in the world ladies and gents 😂😂

[@billynorton9735]

Call

[@Oscar_AH]

If I saw this video a week ago, I’d have got a great payout instead of a min cash in the las WSOPC LA

[@PokerCoaching]

Next time!

[@timothymock5527]

rip it all in

[@mrdjr6544]

If I were villain I would have 3 bet folded pre-flop. But maybe that's why I'm not playing poker for a living.

[@jacklheureux1488]

call

[@JpFerrier]

All in lmao

[@kineahora8736]

B call.

[@paulgross699]

Raise

[@bigfanvideo140]

The " best poker player " called the raise on the flop. The " worst poker player like me " would rip it ALL IN on the flop. A blank came on the turn, the best player would fold after a bet from the opponent and think how good he was to avoid the bubble. Your opponent should able to make the fold after your ALL IN raise on the turn. Bad "best poker player and opponent"

[@mannyandaya8140]

Call…

[@BenBalla1104]

Feel like this video would be better if he didn’t turn the nuts after that it’s pretty easy to play with the nuts lol

[@jericho2281999]

Go all in and verbally abuse your opponent.

[@winslowpippleton7157]

Lol easy game when your draw hits the nuts on the turn. Great coaching😂😂

[@PokerCoaching]

Thanks!

[@martinmax7557]

All in on flop(its not a bluff)

[@clockradio989]

Jamb

[@danielpolack2083]

Call sauce, too much equity

[@williammickle9077]

RIP it

[@williammickle9077]

swing and a miss

[@jameswill9527]

Fold and pick off a weaker opponent. This not a cash game

[@jo1717a]

Not that informative. You don't need to get super technical to get max value from flush over flush. There are so many lines of play that would have stacked the smaller flush here. It would have been better if villain had 2nd pair. Extracting max value from 2nd pair is a lot harder and more nuanced than extracting max value from smaller flushes.

[@conradcoolerfiend]

you realize we are making decisions not knowing opponent's hand, and playing against their whole range, right? Your comment shows you are a beginner, which is OK! but review your comment and learn, cause it makes zero sense.

[@jo1717a]

@@conradcoolerfiend Lol, nice condescending tone. That is fine and there were informative parts, but there aren't many tough decisions being made here except maybe the flop call after the 2bet. The point is, they can pick a different hand that will lead the more tougher decisions (due to different action from the villain). Stacking the opponent on the turn is something anyone can do and isn't very helpful to most people.

[@conradcoolerfiend]

@@jo1717a it’s really funny how you think you know better than 2 world class players. The opponents actual 2 cards has nothing to do with the decision making process. That is some beginner logic right there. Don’t keep defending your noob position and embarrass yourself further. There is a reason they are making the teaching content and you are the one watching it.

[@jo1717a]

@@conradcoolerfiend you seem incredibly confused. No where did I say their teaching was incorrect. I said they could have made it more informative by picking a better hand. What do you think is more helpful? Video of hero with AA stacking another player with KK or one where hero navigates tricky decisions with pocket 9s? You understand yet? You lack reading comprehension so this is my last reply to you. Waste of time.

[@famfam0]

@@jo1717a his point is that the hand the other player had didn't matter in either the execution of the hand or the analysis. He is playing his own range, and the villain is playing their own range, not the hands they have.

[@iliaskyvos953]

With respect,over analyze a situation that the 20% happened instantly and you had the nuts! Let's talk of the situation that the turn was a spade and how much of your stuck was into that pot hunting the nut flush

[@ryanaguirre9121]

af

[@TSeries502]

Poker is just luck. if it wasnt then you wouldnt see so many people trying to make money doing these stupid videos. it doesnt matter what you do. it matters what your opponents do and what cards come next. things you have no control over

[@reynaldosebastian3043]

Jonathan little I should follow and watch more of your poker video and you explain is more sense, but I’m sorry , you don’t have the pleasant voice to listen as a tutor.

[@PokerCoaching]

Run it through a voice modulator?

[@riley_bohr]

Obviously everyone knows how to get value when they turn the nuts and hold on the river lmao it would be way more useful to make a video about how to play your draws when they miss. Learned absolutely nothing from this

[@branden4030]

Call