Toyota Yaris Self Charging Hybrid Review!!!

[@marksawyer6242]

I can't see what your issue is with the term "self charging". All Toyota is saying is you don't plug this car in to charge it, hence it charges itself. They are stating a fact. What is the issue?

[@barumxxy]

Correct

[@nicdensley4104]

You correct in that Toyota aren't making a false claim. The bug bear is that it throws people who aren't that familiar with how these work into thinking that they are getting something for nothing, "it charges itself". For example, I was talking to my mom who was driving around with lights on in the day, I said it's costing you money, she said, no the power comes from the battery. It didn't compute that she was burning fuel to make light.

[@ramblerandy2397]

The problem with Toyota marketing their non-plug-in hybrids as self charging is that they are placing them in the green/clean arena. Which they are 100% not the case. They are just an efficient fossil fuel vehicle [FFV], producing CO2 from the exhaust, and costing almost as much as an ordinary FFV to run, and even more to more service, because of the added complexity. There is nothing green/clean in this vehicle, as all the electricity is produced by petrol. So, if you are purchasing one of these to run your car with "clean fuel" [ie, from solar/wind produced electricity] then you are 100% mistaken. And Toyota make no effort to end your possible confusion. And that's why the "self-charging" tag is a deception.

[@Tuppoo94]

@@ramblerandy2397 I don't think Toyota has marketed their non-plugin hybrids as anything other than gasoline powered vehicles. I think they actually emphasize the fact that you only need to put gas in it, and never have to fiddle with cables. As for the servicing argument, Toyota hybrids are among the most reliable cars in the world, and rarely require anything other than routine maintenance.

[@Tuppoo94]

@@nicdensley4104 People's ignorance about technology isn't really Toyota's fault, is it?

[@Tuppoo94]

"Self-charging" is an entirely fair and accurate description of the hybrid system, because that's literally how the system works in this case, and Toyota has never said it works in any other way. How else should it be labelled? People's ignorance about where energy comes from isn't Toyota's fault.

[@TS84NO]

I would rather say that Self Charging Hybrid is used to clearify that it's NOT a plug-in. You don't have to charge it, as it charges itself.. Yes, using the petrol engine, but also regen from braking. Which for many people can be a great option to plug-in, as they don't have to think about charging. And a great option to EV, for those who don't wanna be limited to the shorter range of an EV at the same price, but also don't want to use as much on fuel as a regulare ice :)

[@johnpbristow]

I've had a Yaris Hybrid for nearly 18 months and I'm getting about 55mpg out of it and yes most of my trips are around town. It handles well and I love CVT, which I've had in cars before. If I do no more than poodle around then yes I get 70+ mpg but on a motorway 55 mpg is the limit. This is my second Yaris, the other one was diesel and the mpg was about the same so, this one running on petrol, is cheaper to run. It's comfortable on long runs and it's quiet.

[@salipander6570]

I've had a Yaris since 2012 and never heard that confusing term 'self charging'. Probably some UK merchant's term. Toyota hybrids are very well engineered and frugal. They shouldn't suffer under misunderstandings caused by stupid marketing folks. Btw. the reason that NiMh batteries are used, is due to the high charge current (relative to the small capacity of the battery ) that is generated during braking.

[@andreassundvisson7470]

1.5 engine is good for a small car, and 0-100 is 10 sec not 11 sec. I have driven a yaris y20 and I think it works really well at city traffic and country roads without any problems. Yaris is also very cheap in gasoline costs why its hybrid of course.

[@MO-hq4iz]

"B" is for mountain driving as its stated in the manual, to avoid the breaks to overheat (also the cruise control doesn't work in "B").

[@briananthony4044]

A simple hybrid like this car is all about around town efficiency. Add a small electric motor and a small battery, and every time you slow for the lights, you take the energy normally wasted and save it in the battery, accelerate and the battery drives the motor briefly to add extra torque to move off the line. Reason it needs this torque is the petrol engine, while it sounds powerful at 1.5l, if it is an Atkinson cycle engine, it is really just over a liter. So a 1 liter engine at cruising speed for economy, an electric motor to help make it drive like a real 1.5l. A Atkinson cycle has an extended power stroke to make use of energy normal wasted out the exhaust. The extended stroke gives it the 1.5l capacity, but the intake stroke takes in as much air and petrol as a 1 liter. The "B" mode should be used if you are going down a long hill, and your batteries are already close to being fully charge. "B" mode turns on the IC engine and lets the engine help slow down the car without overusing your brakes and over-charging the batteries. Out of "B" mode the IC engine would be off and the car recuperating.

[@johnhall4917]

I own a Toyota Auris estate hybrid and love how it averages 66mpg between fill-ups and benefit from free VED as it is a 15 plate. The CVT gearbox used to bug me at first as I never really understood what it was or how it worked. I can now get it up to 70mph at a reasonable pace without making the engine sound overworked. I've never worried about the car's complex hybrid technology breaking as Toyota and broken very, very, very rarely go in the same sentence.

[@Jamesandkate]

Completely agree, they're a solid and reliable platform, just the self charging soon the irritates us 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@johnhall4917]

"B" mode is essentially there to stop the car from running away with itself on long downhill roads. I experimented driving to work with "B" mode engaged and got the same mpg as I would have in "D" - I was actually almost able to drive with one pedal as the regen works right the way down to approx 10mph before the mechanical brakes take over. I noticed how you commented on how the car only offers electrical assistance no further than 5 - 10mph, but being a parallel hybrid, the electric also assists the engine quite a lot too. Apologies if you already knew this. "EV" mode is quite handy around car parks and 20mph roads as once you have approx more than 60% charge you can actually keep it in "EV" with more acceleration input than the normal "D". I've seen myself average over 100mpg on the 3 mile round trip to Tesco now that I fully understand the different drive modes.

[@konradc12]

Just like 'self charging', 'road tax' actually was abolished in 1937. Auris is very popular hybrid and I would buy one, after my Avensis.

[@johnhall4917]

@@konradc12 - I have now edited the 'road tax' to 'VED' 🙄

[@konradc12]

@@johnhall4917 I am sorry to make you edit. Please don't take offence. Do you go on the Toyota Owners Club Auris UK? I had a loan Yaris hybrid while my car was in Toyota for a recall, and liked everything but the revvy engine when power is needed. Once settled down, the car was really relaxed. It's the nature of the CVT system. From what you say, you have a great car. Would you get the new Corolla?

[@hughoxford8735]

E/V mode is completely fatuous. I like its ease to drive, refinement around town, very relaxing as it's an automatic - very hard to get autos in this size. It kind of wafts. The CVT is fine. Motorways are a bit painful, but actually A-roads can get you up to 65+ mpg. Oh, and you know nothing will go wrong.

[@qqqsfdf1232]

It being a small auto is one of the reasons it's on my next-car-shortlist! As you say, there are so few to choose from.

[@VJW1407]

Self charging hybrid is pure marketing rubbish. I have had several non plugin hybrids. They were all better than pure ICE but self charging... it’s just to confuse customer and try to steer them away from BEV.

[@0-Will-0]

I am going to stick my head out and admit I just bought a self-charging Lexus...I could have afforded to buy EV, but wanted to keep my purchasing costs and time costs (more on that later) down. The car I really wanted initially was an I3, as this car will only be used around town. However after learning about the I3, with a larger battery, I then wanted one of those, which cost a lot more on the used market. I wanted to buy from BMW AUC to get a decent warranty and I wanted more than one year warranty, because of BMW's potentially horrific repair costs. The cost to extend the I3 warranty is 800-1000 a year! That pays for a lot of fuel. As a comparison, my 4yr old Lexus has a 3yr warranty, for a total cost of £250, which I probably won't even need. The Lexus is a stop-gap car, till more EVs are available. I'm well aware of the failings. However like James couldn't stand to put up with the CVT drivetrain, I couldn't stand to walk up to a 1st gen Leaf and get in it, or look at it on my drive. My motivation for a hybrid is previously my family were driving a large diesel estate, acceptable for long journeys but it really grated with me driving it around a populated city. Diesels just shouldn't be in cities, period, whether a small or large car. Our hybrid switches the engine off a lot in slow and stationery traffic, the kind with shoppers, dogs, school children walking alongside on the pavement. I feel a lot more happy than sitting spewing out diesel fumes. I'm also much keener to drive economically as it is more of a 'game' that you don't get to play in a normal ICE. Yes an EV would be a lot better but there just isn't the range of choice there is in hybrids, or the warranty (i3 vs Lexus), or the cabin quality (Leaf vs Lexus), or the convenience of petrol 'charging'. I say all that for a certain price point. Obviously if you have money to burn and can go lease or buy a Kona and wait for it to be delivered, fine, that's a good choice. Besides the questionable looks of a Leaf or I3, the charging aspect was a worry for me too. We would have to have an external charge point fitted, I'd have to nag the wife to remember to charge, either before or after she's wrangled our two young kids into the house. We'd have to plan any long journeys we needed to take more carefully. Trips out would become dominated by me thinking where to get a top-up or free charge. We'd basically need to spend more time thinking about fuelling the car than we do a hybrid and our time is worth a lot to us currently. This has become longer than I meant, probably as I'm justifying to myself why I didn't go EV yet. But I also think it's dangerous to bash on hybrids too much. They are ideal for city driving and the more people that buy used hybrids rather than used diesels, the better. Imagine if everyone in a diesel Landrover, X5, Q7 got in a RAV4 hybrid. They are only a stop-gap solution but we still have a way to go before EV is available to the masses.

[@solentbum]

I think you made a mistake in not going BEV. My current LEAF has just turned 15000 miles in 10 months. I rarely have to charge away from home. In practice on longer journeys I know the charge points that I need to use, and seldom have to actually 'charge up' as an activity. Normally I simply plug into a charger at a car park, and go off and do life. Last week I visited friends in Chesterfield, a return trip of 460 miles, I did stop at a service area for long enough to 1. charge up and 2. have a lunch break. on the main journeys, Locally I just drove as normal. As for home charging , my five year old grandson has decided that it is his job to plug in.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Bear in mind what's happening in Norway. Hybrids aren't selling. You run the risk of losing any saving you made when you sell (if anyone wants it).

[@rogerstarkey5390]

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[@richardeveritt636]

Cant believe some of the comments and the debate in the video! you don't have to plug it in so therefore is self charging.

[@Silver-st2zq]

Agree the self charging means it is not a plug in and uses the engine and breaking to charge it up, did some people think the EV unit charged itself! lol.

[@johnkeepin7527]

Quite well done. I’ve been running one for a year or so, and my main gripe about it is that the traction battery is a bit ‘small’ (capacity wise). On some downhill routes, it’s easy to end up with it being fully charged when using cruise control to maintain a steady speed downhill. The electric traction motor makes life easy - always starts briskly, no risk of ‘stalling’ the engine (it doesn’t need the engine to start the car), and no risk of rolling backwards on a rising gradient. Note that the spare tyre is a narrow ‘get you home’ high pressure one. Mine also has one, but I think they vary from market to market; some places might not have them. Wheel sizes vary a bit as well; mine is on the 16” set with Conti Premium tyres, but it’s possible to have a set which just comes under the congestion charge (based on CO2 emission test results) for those who want to avoid it (until they change the rules again). By comparison with my previous car, which was a diesel engined one, there’s not much in it re. fuel consumption overall, taking into account of the energy content and chemical structure of the two fuels. A bit less CO2 emission, and a lot less NOx. Good to see that you showed the location of the traction battery, but in the middle there is the petrol tank, and the standard 12V one is off to the right. The reversing camera is useful - but not much use after a journey under the rain etc, as the back collects a lot of ‘road muck’.

[@stevewheatstone1856]

Nice vid. Surprised you are not getting more than 51mpg. My old Auris hybrid did 53mpg and my current 2018 prius does 65mpg. Gen 4 hybrid system is significantly better at keeping the drone in control under acceleration.

[@MrAndrew941]

I done the two day test drive and it was really good gear box seamless and that comes from someone who drives electric.

[@chrisb508]

The thing I always come back to is if there is a point to a hybrid that gets the same mileage as a GEO metro I had in the 1990s. That doesn't seem like an improvement at all and not worth the extra price.

[@tylercardy6644]

We just purchased our first 'self charging' Yaris. I think the term is used now to distinguish between plug in and non-plugin hybrids. I see it as self charging because the petrol motor charges the battery without the need for additional power from an outlet. I dont see it as all that confusing or misleading but I feel thats probably because we are new to hybrids. If we had an existing car and suddenly the next model was branded 'self charging' without any clear change I would feel a bit misled too.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Can you say you haven't taken a large black tube and "plugged" it into the car to transfer energy into a storage "unit"?

[@tylercardy6644]

@@rogerstarkey5390 absolutely I can. I have however placed a nozzle into the recepticle to transfer fuel. That's hardly charging though.

[@qqqsfdf1232]

I can't afford a decent EV so for me, this car is ideal. A second hand EV in my price range might need a new battery in a few years time, which negates the whole economy thing. Add in poor range and the usefulness of an EV drops considerably for me. As for the Zoe, the monthly cost of renting the battery is quite high and the range is short. Buying the battery pushes the purchase price too high. Most of my driving is urban with a stretch of 50 mph road so this yaris should do well, and for the occasions when I want to travel long distance, I can - and just accept the slightly poorer economy. Also, I want an automatic. There are very few affordable automatic cars. 🙂

[@fearlessgunners11]

I'm 2016 Yaris Hybrid owner driven 14,000 miles and max 71 mpg and min 54 mpg avg all over the season. I have returned 58 mpg with 3 other adults from Greater London to Manchester. No road tax and no problem to drive motorway turned off eco mode. Simply nice and easy car.

[@bellshooter]

As you say, it's just a hybrid. NimH cells are just not the best tech, and generator charged from the petrol engine is not at all green. Just call it a Hybrid.

[@barumxxy]

They are the best tech for a hybrid as they can continually take and discharge without the memory effect .There are priuses out there with 200,000 miles plus that are on the same battery .

[@MO-hq4iz]

@@barumxxy NimH cells are used because of the ability for many recharges without loss of capacity, and its ability to cope with extreme temperatures.

[@mauricetaylor742]

These cars are great....great for those that cant afford a Real ev nor have the ability to charge....or afford to charge.....the difference....you can afford a ev....afford chargers and charging....truly an big difference....nothing wrong with 60 mpg......if that's what you can afford...ty...not a bad vlog...

[@rogerstarkey5390]

But you DO "charge" the vehicle. You add energy in liquid form.

[@thesmallrougeone]

Nice colour. Thanks for the clear explanation and review. I don't see the benefit of a hybrid in this configuration now. I thought the EV motor gave a boost to performance and allowed them to fit a smaller, more economical petrol engine. But this seems to lack any performance and the economy is average at best. Maybe it's purely a town car, where it probably does outshine a non-hybrid with respect to emissions and fuel economy.

[@gerbre1]

As a 2008 Prius owner I disagree. Toyota hybrids are fuel efficient. You save approx. 1/3 of petrol compared to traditional petrol cars if you don't drive too much motorway. Of course the EV motor gives you a boost when accelerating. My Prius has 112 HP and I believe (I did not measure it) no car below 150 HP as a chance to follow me at a green traffic light until at least 30 mph is reached. But most of the time it's the opposite. Cars in front of me have a poor acceleration and I have to reduce speed.

[@MattOn1010]

It is a city car. I average 50mpg in the winter and 60+mpg in the summer in London city driving, once I done 72mpg on a 25miles trip. For rural area driving with hills is not good on mpg.

[@marknewman9622]

Im confused?? This car is still highly reliant on petrol/diesel. Where and for what percentage does the electric part come in?

[@cjmillsnun]

If only they'd delete the petrol engine and CVT, and just make an EV instead. The new Zoe now has a split rear seat.

[@bdeithrick]

Thanks for being frank & Honest and let’s hope Toyota has it day in court. Fooling people

[@MattOn1010]

Just come across your video, it's good honest opinions u both have. I have the icon trim for 2 years now. Absolutely agreed with CVT noise and non inspiring to drive. Not enough bhp for me. It also came with 175/65/15 tyres which is dreadful when cornering. I have upgraded to 185/60/15, it's better now, although I will put 195/60/15 on if I keep the car long enough. I got the car for work; efficient london city driving and small size is a must. It does 50mpg in winter and summer I get 60+mpg easily. I think it's because London city stop and start driving give it the best fuel mpg. If u drive in the countryside roads often and with hills, the mpg will be worse. So the Yaris hybrid does a very good job for what it is. Fuel efficient for being an auto with an ICE. Its not viable for me to get an electric due where I live, so the hybrid is the best option. If I had a convenient way of charging electric then the equivalent size of Zoe 135 will definitely be the one I would have instead of this Yaris. So for now this is a good in between car from ICE and electric. Once I go electric I will probably never want to return to these hybrids. Good honest contents guys!

[@LeicesterMike]

Well done as ever. I just wish Toyota would stop this nonsense. Agree with James re CVT and handling.

[@rolonow12]

As far as I know, only Porsche make a true self-charging plug in Hybrid (phev). Not talking about brake re-gen but battery charging. On my 2016 Panamera (and the Cayenne), press the 'e-charge' button to charge the battery. It works best while cruising over 60, doesn't take too long, negligible increase in petrol consumption. Good to have full battery for plodding through urban roads & traffic. Best mileage estimate I've had was 18 miles, what you get depends on how you drive, temperature and elect useage. I regularly get 50+ mpg on short trips, it has 419 bhp combined from the V6 plus Electric motor, long term average is 34mpg and best of all NO ROAD TAX!! The new model has greater battery range but £450 pa road tax. What other phev can properly charge while driving, Audi perhaps?

[@konradc12]

I had a loan Yaris, when my Avensis was in for a recall - fuel suction pump! I hated the revving when anything other than moderate acceleration. I think Toyota/Lexus did a great thing getting rid of diesel engines, thus helping reliability. Basically a stop gap to PHEV and full EV.

[@Hautevillestation]

Just got a yaris hybrid 2019. We live in Guernsey where max speed is 35 and we don't have off street parking so it is the best compromise for now! Guernsey doesnt have public rapid charging.

[@russvhill2]

I like my Yaris hybrid but I'm frustrated how soon the quiet relaxing drive through town turns into a noisy unrefined experience pulling away from traffic lights or on a slight up-grade. A bigger electric motor would definitely help. As at March 2019, there are no second-hand EV's in my price range which will do my regular 280 mile journey without adding two hours charging to an already day-long journey.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

22:45 How about If somebody lives in the city and drives less than the range of an EV car in their price range in a week, it's likely they are driving within the city, probably grocery shopping using the car at least once a week and there's now most likely a charging opportunity at that store that will fully recharge the car. The same now applies to most journeys around most cities. In that case, a BEV does the job.

[@manwithcorsae7738]

SCHEVs are a good intermediate step for some, but let's be honest about how they work. New Zoe (in dealers now) has split rear seat. Next Zoe to have CCS.

[@kaazruo]

8 miles of range and you still have all the maintenance of the ICE - no thanks, I’m very happy with my. Bolt EV.

[@timaustin2000]

Zoe's seats do now split 60/40, by the by :)

[@petersente83]

To be honest, 51.8 mpg (which is 5.5 l/100km where I live) doesn't really seem all that impressive to me for a hybrid of this size. Recently I managed 5.4 l/100km in my 2006 Fiat Panda 1.2. Mostly I get a healthy 5.8 l/100km. So I wonder, is a hybrid really worth the higher price? Might it be possible to get similar economy figures with ICE city cars like a (lightweight!) Suzuki Swift or even a Mazda 2 when adopting an economical driving style?

[@peterseddon8363]

The self charging comes from regen braking, when you first touch the brakes the mechanical brakes are not applied but energy is passed to the battery from the motor which is directly connected to the wheels. Don't get me wrong the term self charging gets my back up too. After all people still think that the earth is flat so it's not a great stretch of the imagination the some people will get the idea that you can leave it out over night and the next morning you ill have a full battery. We have a Yaris and a Lexus both hybrid so I am a fan but would love an EV but the deal on the new Yaris was too good to miss and I can't afford a model X to tow my caravan. Using B to slow down DOES NOT give you a lot more regen but engages the engine to brake as you said. To get max regen just feather the brakes to get the power dial to it's lowest setting. PS I never drive ours in B mode.

[@iKaGe01]

But the argument comes from the fact that to get the car up to speed in the first place, it needs to use petrol power to get there to brake :p

[@TheReubenBonnici]

B mode is good for when you go a gentle downhill with an uneven road and the regen disconnects for safety. In that occasion B mode is usefull as it uses again the disconnected regen.

[@piglet5287]

@@iKaGe01 yes but as a parallel hybrid it uses some electricity too to accelerate, some of which comes from regenerative braking

[@cjmillsnun]

@@piglet5287 But the kinetic energy to need the regen that charges that battery is generated by burning petrol.

[@cjmillsnun]

By that account my Zoe is a self charging EV. The reason they use self charging is "Because you don't plug it in" It's marketing BS.

[@jeffreycooper8408]

Brownie points for matching your outfit to the car !!

[@WolvesInferno]

Very good video. I'm not surprised the Yaris Hybrid will get reduced fuel economy on the motorway though. Still, it is much more economical and reliable than a Fiesta. I have a late 2012/2013 Toyota Auris Hybrid and I get over 70 to 84 UK mpg. Sometimes I even get 90 or over. I always use the pulse and glide technique, and I have a very light foot. I get over 500 miles, and I only have to fill up once per month. I think that's pretty damned good. Overall it's a fantastic car and way cheaper to run than a normal petrol or diesel car.

[@charlesholland-keen2222]

The self charging hybrid tag has opened Toyota up to ridicule and done their brand no favours. We test drove this model and compared to the Kia Niro and Hyundai Ioniq it was disappointing. We ended up buying the Ioniq and it is quieter, better equipped and much more economical. Can't home or work charge (retired) and don't consider charging infrastructure adequate yet. Your review of the Yaris HYBRID ! was well balance and fair as always. The summing up at the end was excellent Kate and diplomatically put.

[@TheMiddleAgedMan]

I own one and it's far from perfect. I cant have a full EV due to charging location issues and the range for the tech isn't there yet either. But show me another small auto , thats free to tax, costs about £30 to fill from empty and is relaxing to drive around town?

[@andrewgage6942]

I am looking at buying one of these, I have looked at fully electric but I don't have access to off road parking and the infrastructure in the area where I live is, one in the town where I live, one in the next town up, and that's all between home and work, there is the motorway service area but that's even more expensive, I drive 30 miles each way to and from work, I drive a Smart diesel as my everyday car as it acheives 85-90mpg and it's covered over 150000 miles in my 13 years of ownership, the Yaris will be the load carrier/people carrier when I visit the family who don't drive. I would like to be as environmentally friendly as possible, this is the only possible answer to being clean. As far as sat nav and technology goes, I'm old, I don't understand any of that, as someone who still uses a Nokia phone, technology is not my strong point. My sat nav is a map that I carry in the car not a screen

[@chrisandclaremoore6472]

Great review, I looked at one 16 months ago and was not impressed at all, now I had a been driving a Yaris for12yrs, I was getting 40 to 45 miles to the gallon. After taking the Hybrid for a test drive the salesman said after getting his phone out you have done 45mpg, 50% petrol and 50% electric. I had been referred by a friend who has the hybrid and was pleased with it Now my Yaris I have to say was a brilliant car for maintenance free driving but was getting long in the tooth. Next door is Nissan we have a Qashqai so popped in to say hello, I had no knowledge of electric cars, the sales manager at Nissan took me out in his Leaf and I was sold, bought his Demo Leaf 2017 Tekna 30kWh and never been happier. In answer to your question £45.00 of petrol I will get 1,800 miles on that amount from my leaf. Also I paid near enough to the same price as the Yaris Hybrid. Now after driving the Leaf I really can not see the point of wasting money on petrol, so far I’ve saved £1,200 after taking out my electricity costs. And I feel a bit righteous that I’m not polluting the planet.

[@Jamesandkate]

Fantastic, thanks for sharing 👍🏻

[@Broadwould]

Oh dear sorry to burst your bubble. We are ALL polluting the planet somewhere or other. Just maybe from power stations of various forms and not out of the back of your vehicle where you are actually driving it. 🤔

[@anthonyconnor1603]

Good for you as I would never go near an electric car. The phrase "zero emissions" is false advertisement and you are still polluting the planet. Indeed, you are actually doing more damage to the environment driving an electric car.

[@AaronCunnington]

This self hybrid tech is basically the same as that found in the first-generation Prius from over 20 years ago.

[@sufyanpatel9706]

I've ordered the 1.5 petrol icon tech. what's the infotainment system like and also navigation? i've read it's a bit laggy

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Just found this episode! 4/4/19 Back in a second , just going to take my sarcasm pill!

[@jongonegone1262]

NICKEL METAL CELLS KEEP COST DOWN, WHEN BEING REPAIRED OR REPLACED COST HALF TO 60% OF PRIUS CAMRY LITHIUM BATTERY. EVERYTHING SHOULD COST LESS ITS A YARIS.

[@arfansheikh]

Hi guys. I am a current owner of a Mazda CX-5. Unfortunately I am having engine troubles and it is time to change cars. I absolutely loved this car. I loved the size and ride and also the luggage space. I have seriously thought of just getting another one but I am also thinking of getting a hybrid. I was tempted with the new Toyota rav 4. I drive around 1200miles per month so fuel economy is important. I have off-street parking but would only be able to plug in on the weekends. My options were Toyota rav 4, Passat estate GTE. What would be your recommendations? I am looking for economy with comfortable interior.

[@ramblerandy2397]

I'm assuming you can't afford or can't find a full BEV to suit your needs. Whatever your situation re. off-road parking, I would encourage you to consider a plug-in hybrid as a minimum. Even if you have rare opportunities to charge up via a plug, if you have one the fuel costs will drop substantially. A usable plug-in hybrid ought to come with a minimum of 40 miles range, preferably more. But at least town driving is taken care of for several days, and the immediate local atmosphere will be just that little bit better. Good luck with your choice.

[@darrenyorkshire]

But you don't drive them in b mode unless you wish to restrict yours on steep hills

[@doubledutch13]

Excellent well balanced review, can’t argue with this, 8 years ago I got the then new gen Prius and it did 30mph and went 1 mile on pure EV, this seems a backward step?

[@christopherwalton5528]

Great video as always folks. Our Izzy Wizzy Ioniq EV for £45 at 1.3p per mile average will cover 3,500 miles. Nice try Toyota. It's just a petrol car basically. Eventually the masses will cotton on to what's going on.

[@marksawyer6242]

I think "the masses" deserve a little more credit than you give them. I don't think anyone is being fooled here. It's a hybrid, that's all. It serves a purpose. Toyota isn't running some massive conspiracy here. Just making reliable, reasonably priced cars that under the right type of driving conditions (in town) will definitely beat a conventional ICE vehicle on fuel economy. If you don't want one, that's fine, but for some people these cars can be a good option. Get over it and move on with your life. You called Toyota out on fuel running costs, comparing the Yaris Hybrid with your Ioniq EV. You should keep in mind there is an £11,250 list price difference between these 2 cars, at today's petrol prices and your electricity cost, your break even point is somewhere around 130,000 miles before the Ioniq EV actually starts saving you money. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against EVs, the technology is great, but from a financial standpoint, your criticisms aimed at Toyota don't really stack up.

[@tardeliesmagic]

Some clarification if you don't mind,will the engine come on if you go over 20/30mph or so,and also ,do you need to be at a complete stop to switch it back & fourth to EV and other modes?

[@Jamesandkate]

Yes it will. Also, EV mode depends on the state of battery charge. We found on numerous occasions that it simply says EV mode not available.

[@tardeliesmagic]

@@Jamesandkate Thank you,just saw a video from "The Car Care Nut" and he explained it very clearly (All the driving modes) i'm so close to getting a 2014 Yaris T4,just need some info before committing to it.

[@kimbo5260]

I actually love the noise this hybrid makes. I think it sounds like a train. This car is perfect for me.

[@alexdalgleish1061]

I’m changing to an early Yaris Hybrid from an e up this coming weekend. Frees up 50 hours a month it’s not plugged in and negligible fuel costs of extra £36 or so a month as e up would be £170 a year more to tax from next April than Yaris which is rising to £20. Having had a 1.33 auto Yaris for 2 years the hybrid solves some of road noise from that. If all Yaris were like the ‘17 model I wouldn’t have had. Prefer colours, upholstery durability and fact can hide plug in DAB and music usb in earlier cars. Also they don’t have safety chimes that would drive me nuts. Don’t want Nav and can still play a CD. Would I have an EV again?! A Leaf maybe. Modern cars aren’t me.

[@asksimon9813]

How much more efficient this is car is relatively to the petrol yaris?

[@seehear8068]

The only self charging device I know is the Watson magnet motor. The WMM charges the battery on the go. Electromagnetics not combustion.

[@FancyaBevMate]

Sorry guys love the channel so don't take this personally. Hybrids are utterly pointless being decades old yes 1992 they was introduced prior to stop start technology we have today means they are obsolete like you clearly show upto around 8mph and less than 7 miles (best case scenario) again shows them up to being a technology that should have been phased out in the early 2000s. Ps I used to be a huge Toyota fan owned four of their vehicles over the years but they need to stop this advertising rubbish every day I educate people on bevs and I'd never recommend a hybrid or phev for that matter over ice they are way too expensive compared to standard ice vehicles in fact I state this on my own channel very early on. Cheers guys

[@Jamesandkate]

We agree with you completely 👍🏻

[@edcooper2396]

Strange argument since BEV vehicles predate ICE (and hybrids)

[@FancyaBevMate]

@@edcooper2396 we aren't talking about the late 1800s here your point is what exactly? Strange response!

[@t5jerry]

There's nowt wrong with having a "fetishism" about the wipers Kate, when it hisses down, we all need them, wots the door mirrors like, headlights at night, how quiet is the heater fan, how good is the soundproofing, thickness of the glass, now THAT'S. A fetishism !!!!! Great video by the way, your SO much prettier than James 😃😃😃😃

[@toyotaprius79]

I definitely wouldn't say useable capacity is 2.4kWh or that it has 8 miles range. I think that's unheard of. Also, a rule of thumb to calculate hybrid power outputs it just add the engine hp with the battery hp. So the 1.5l's 75hp + the NiMH battery's 25hp = ~100hp depending on speed, soc, temperature, weight and weather.

[@Jamesandkate]

The stated figure is actually 2.4kWhs but the battery being so small has a low inrush and outrush figure meaning from a standstill it's unable to supply to amperage to the motor that the driver requires past 33% in this case. Had the pack have been Li-ion I suspect it could perform at least twice as well

[@gerbre1]

@@Jamesandkate The battery in the Yaris has a capacity of 0.94 kWh, not 2.4 kWh enough for 1.5 miles of range. A Prius has a 1.3 kWh battery. If you don't live in a mountainous area, the battery is rarely full showing all bars. So the battery is not too small. It's enough to store energy gained from recuperation. Please do not compare this hybrid with an electric car because it's not an EV. A Yaris does not accelerate as fast as a Leaf, of course. But this is no surprise. And only use B-Mode when driving down a mountain to protect your breaks.

[@asksimon9813]

Is there a sensor that alerts once the oil goes below the minimum level?

[@jimporter7418]

The Volt (Ampere) is a hybrid as is the Mitsubishi Phev but the Toyota isn't much of anything really. My diesel Skoda does similar fuel consumption. PS I would love an EV but can't afford one.

[@123ChrisG]

3:40 wait, it took 0.8 mile to drain the battery?

[@davidaustin1770]

Surprised to hear you're not getting better MPG. My wife is comfortably getting over 65 and achieved 74 on one journey. Much better than the 40mpg she achieved in her previous car (a 2009 petrol Clio). She loves it! I think she has mastered the driving style required though. Accelerate up to speed, lift off completely, then gently apply more power to maintain the speed. It should then stay in EV mode.

[@MrAndrew941]

Thought yous might of done something on the Mini Countryman PHEV

[@Jamesandkate]

We will 👍🏻

[@MarkGaudie]

I took this out for test drive with my grandmother as you was considering one on motorbility. She originally wanted the all electric Smart ForFour. But sadly this now has a £1500 customer deposit. 😦 I do agree the Yaris offers great internal space for it’s overall size. Just wish Toyota would just make a full electric version of this car to compete with the likes of the fantastic ZOE.

[@MarkGaudie]

The ZOE is back on motorbility now too. Sadly there’s a £4500 deposit needed 😧

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Does it have to be new? Listen to this, time between 8:20 -12:30 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKq8d3R3iMmUotE

[@iKaGe01]

If you lived at the top of a hill and rolled down, would that be self charging? Haha and then saved EV mode for the ride back up? Annoys people when I pronounce PHEVs 'PEVS' too

[@HenriZwols]

Self-charging? You mean I can just leave it outside and it will be full in the morning? That's nifty! I need to plug in my Ioniq.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Fuel fairies!

[@robhargraves3805]

But it is not intended to sit there with the engine running and wait for the battery to charge before driving. You just drive off straight away. The battery charges at the same time and also while slowing down or going downhill. That is when it “self charges”

[@S3r53]

Has this car got parking sensors at the front?

[@TS-vj9dc]

If you don’t ever need to plug it in it’s self charging it’s own battery. If your going to put yourself into a public domain at least know what your talking about. If you understood how cvt works you’d know it’s able to hold top rev’s therefore ideal acceleration.

[@Jamesandkate]

It’s quite simple. There’s no such thing as self charging. It charges from petrol and nothing else. All energy on this vehicle is generated from petrol. It’s very simple.

[@pangrac1]

Smart review.

[@robsmith1a]

I have a friend who owns one and she gets over 70 mpg in the summer (less in the winter). I find the self charging marketing speak really annoying, I find it difficult to see how they are allowed to say it. To me self charging would imply it somehow doesn't need fuel. On another channel it was pointed out that any EV could make the same claim because of the regen. I will from now on tell my friends my Zoe is self-charging. Either that or Toyota have made a perpetual motion machine.

[@Jamesandkate]

Exactly this. In the case of regenerative, if you accelerate to 60 mph and then slow down the car will harvest a maximum of 12% of the initial expenditure. That's enough to get you around 40 meters in EV mode under very light conditions 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@marksawyer6242]

Anyone that thinks "self charging" means they don't need fuel shouldn't be allowed a driving license!

[@robsmith1a]

@@marksawyer6242 If you take 'self charging' literally that is what it implies. You can buy lights for the garden and they are solar powered and need no fuel, I would accept self charging as a term for them because you don't have to provide energy yourself. I think it is deliberately misleading. Formula 1 could now also advertise their series as featuring self charging hybrid cars because the technology is basically the same (calling their system a kinetic energy recovery system is a way better description).

[@marksawyer6242]

@@robsmith1a so what you are saying is you believe Toyota is trying to trick people into thinking they have designed a car that can break the laws of physics by charging itself without any energy input? Where is your evidence for that? Have they ever suggested this car doesn't need fuel? Have they ever had any marketing material banned by the advertising standards authority for being mis-leading? It doesn't require a great deal of intelligence to understand what they mean when they say "self charging" it's simply to differentiate it from their other hybrids that are "plug in". Sometimes in life you have to apply some common sense and logic. No car manufacturer is going to try and claim they have broken the laws of physics, they would loose all credibility. End of rant. There are some very strong opinions on this and I don't want to insult anyone here, so this is my last response on this topic.

[@robsmith1a]

@@marksawyer6242 Thank you for staying polite. Toyota have always been keen on fuel cells and largely dismissed EVs. I think they have been caught out because fuel cell adoption is a long way off if ever (I think faster charging speeds will take away their one advantage). I know some of their adverts not shown in the UK show someone waiting to charge their car while their self charging hybrid car drives by. This kind of implies their car is somehow running on electricity without having to charge. I haven't got anything against the technology per se (at least it is more efficient that not having the hybrid system) but self charging just isn't an accurate term in my opinion. Time will tell if the ads do eventually get pulled because I still find it misleading. Anyway I guess we will just respectfully disagree on this.

[@kriss2005]

Wow, so this hybrid works using fairy dust!!! Outstanding! Good job Toyota!

[@ram64man]

If it wasn’t for the Toyota hybrid cars and Honda in the early 90’s cars like the leaf, Tesla and a dozen other coming cars wouldn’t have happened, anything that can do the same job yet still save approximately 30% in fuel and cut emissions in stop start conditions are still worth praise, yes time may have moved on and now we are at the point where bev motors 50kw + can replace all your car needs , remember these systems help give a viable alternative to diesel for the extra urban commuters- any Little helps 🍃

[@ramblerandy2397]

Actually, if it wasn't for the GM EV-1 there might not be Tesla, though I doubt it. Musk has cited the EV-1, but never these vehicle types as inspiration. As far back as the original non-plugin Prius, these cars have pretty much been a deception for those who wanted to do the right thing by the environment. When Toyota brought out plug-in versions of their cars, then they truly started to make a change. This one under test is a throw back to those early cars, I'm afraid to say, and I am hugely disappointed in Toyota for pursuing this course. Even an original 1.2l Yaris, with variable valve timing is capable of the same mpg, and most certainly has a more sprightly performance. For goodness sake Toyota, put a plug on the thing and a usable sized lithium-ion battery, so that the engine can be bypassed, and that it can be used in towns at least without emissions.

[@ramblerandy2397]

@@ram64man Yes, I'm aware of that. But you mentioned that they influenced Tesla. I've done a lot of reading and I can find no reference to Musk or Tesla being influenced by Hybrids. Most definitely I have read the case with the EV-1. That's all I'm saying. I totally agree with you on battery size. If you can buy a plug-in PHEV with a battery big enough to do pretty much all of its regular driving on the battery [like the recently cancelled GM Volt Mk!! for example] then that is a worthwhile car, for the present times, imho. For me, they are transition vehicles. Nowadays, they mostly help cushion the business blow for legacy car companies, by being progressive [or appearing to be], yet utilising older familiar technology. I suspect that they will eventually be pushed into a niche area, which is different from their present space, and will eventually represent the last of FFVs.

[@piglet5287]

If the battery in this Yaris is really so feeble, I wonder why its government economy figures are so superior to the standard 1.5. According to the What Car? Tables, the most efficient 1.5vVVTi manages 55.4 mpg, and the best hybrid does 76.3mpg. That's an improvement of 37.7 percent. Of course the hybrid has the CCTV box and an Atkinson cycle engine. But whichever component is making the difference, I'd suggest this Toyota drivetrain has more depth of expertise than you are giving it credit for. And remember how disappointing is the real world economy of most rivals with their small capacity turbos built with economy tests in mind.

[@robertbritton5776]

Sorry don't see the problem. Charges itself slowing down or uses its very own petrol engine to charge itself. You don't plug it in therefore it must charge itself!

[@neilmaddox8745]

1997 to 2019 22 years and Toyota haven't really moved battery tech on?

[@williamarmstrong7199]

Toyota have wasted so much money on a technology that will never be safe for use on the road i.e Hydrogen Fuel cell. It is fine for ships, trains, buses and possibly lorries but in cars? No it will always be too expensive, too heavy, to unsafe for small vehicle use. So Toyota have fallen way behind the rest of the car manufacturers.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@williamarmstrong7199 It's not even fine for the other forms of transport in any one of them you have to carry an amount of energy in the vessel and using a fuel cell you only recoup 20 to 25% of that energy at the drive output. Since the energy used to produced hydrogen is generally electricity why not simply store the electricity and then use it to drive a motor which will give you at worst 80% of the original energy at the drive output.

[@mdc2752]

What happens when they stop selling petrol thanks

[@mdc2752]

Thsnks

[@ShaneQ17]

So it does charge itself up with its engine more click bait bollocks because ev drivers don’t like it. ASA have not banned the ad because they say it’s not misleading 😆

[@christopherwalton5528]

A 1930s Ford Model T is self charging by that same point; runs engine, charges battery. Who knew?!!!

[@Jamesandkate]

Click bait 🤦🏻‍♂️ I suppose every ice car maintaining the 12v battery is self charging also then. There is actually no such thing as self charging, it's a physical impossibility

[@marksawyer6242]

@@Jamesandkate Yes every ICE car maintaining its 12V battery is most definitely self charging. There is nothing impossible about that. I think maybe what you are trying to say is you cannot create energy from nothing, you can only convert energy from one form to another. As far as I can see, Toyota has never claimed their cars create energy from nowhere.

[@timaustin2000]

Wait, so Toyota's most efficient hybrid car - possibly the most efficient petrol car on the road - still costs 3 times as much to fuel as my Zoe? I'll stick with full electric, ta.

[@bogdanmongol9518]

It is actually the less eficient hybrid from Toyota. The best is Prius: real 4 liters for 100 km in the city.

[@TRYtoHELPyou]

Good review. Toyota is feeling the burn. They have not used the term "self charging" in the past that i can remember. It is simply an attempt at trying to persuade customers with their eyes on Electric Vehicles to look at the toyota. With the price and efficency, they will sway lots of customers i am sure.

[@jeroenimus7528]

A bit disappointed it isn’t self-reviewing...

[@HenriZwols]

Self-refuling would be handy.

[@sneekylinux]

I'm only going to comment on this "self-charging" debacle once, the whole thing is aimed at the majority of the general public who still don't get how it works, and they don't want to know to be honest as they are to busy watching tv and dithering about on social media playing with emoji's..Nuff said..

[@cjmillsnun]

That's exactly why they shouldn't use that term though. It's misleading these people.

[@TheDavidsims]

It's a lot better than diseasel

[@RWBHere]

Dies - el. Says it all really.

[@zenzen9131]

Self-charging ? Aren't all hybrids this ?

[@SuperApeFight]

Nope. That's the point. Many Plug-In Hybrids cannot recharge their batteries from coasting or braking. Toyota/Lexus Hybrids can.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

@@SuperApeFight Would you describe a Tesla, or Leaf, etc as a "self charging BEV"?

[@peterowen4456]

Cynical marketing by Toyota but on hybrids more generally there is an air quality thing in towns. You always get stop start whereas, in the winter, my Honda Jazz rarely engages its auto idle stop so, at junctions, you are belching out fumes. The hybrid does stop and takes off, even for a short time, in EV mode which all helps pollution at pavement level. The mpg over the time Kate has had it is nothing great. I can get that in my Jazz. I think the conclusions you reach are spot on - go EV if you can.

[@neil2742]

EV news daily signs off with "there is no such thing as a self charging hybrid" I don't know why Toyota use the term. The only reason I have heard of that I think sounds anything reasonable 8s that they wanted a term that was different from a plug in hybrid. I hope that is a marketing term that means something else in Japanese and this is the closest translation.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Martyn Lee, the host of EV News Daily on KZbin, started using that slogan after a fair bit of response from followers of his channel (I'm only highlighting this for people who don't know. Not you). When he found, like here, that the response to Toyota's marketing ploy was universally negative he adopted the sign-off slogan, to universal approval. His followers have asked him to keep saying it (even if it gets 'old') until Toyota drop their silly policy. He may be saying it for several years. That doesn't matter. 😁

[@jur4x]

What I really hate about CVT, is unnecessary revving. It's CVT! I know there are no gears, why do I need this gearchange emulation?! To be honest, if I needed to save some money when EV is not an option (due charging availability for example), I would just go with petrol and convert it to LPG.

[@MegaProtius]

Total confusion! Oil companies will love Toyota! just makes my brain overload with all the in &outs of these cars and I watch quite few ev car videos on KZbin

[@EVRevolution]

Good job guys, as always. Totally agree with this self charging nonsense. Take Toyota to task on it. With what’s on the market today from a BEV and PHEV perspective, I really don’t agree that this (or almost any Hybrid) is a good intermediate/stop gap vehicle anymore. Maybe in a few exceptions (like the mini-van or light truck space) Hybrids still have some use. However I feel that the best step to take for anyone wanting to truly impact Climate Change/Air Quality is at a minimum moving to a Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle. Most of them give way more pure-EV mode range and for many, that can be enough for daily use. Like the Volt, Outlander or SC90 PHEVs as examples, they can offer up to 80kms or so of zero-emission range. Compound this with an engine that acts only as a generator to continuously charge the battery once the charge is depleted, this solution can overcome any range anxiety issues while offering lower CO2 emissions than any Hybrid-only. In this Toyota example, the motor was on the vast majority of the time and really this only impacts fuel economy and a very slight reduction in CO2 emissions, which is a common trait of Hybrids. At least PHEVs offer a good mix to quantifiably lower C02 emissions versus a standard Hybrid. Obviously, the best way to make the greatest impact is going to true Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV), nothing with an internal combustion engine on board. As long as your local power grid is relatively clean, the emission reductions are much more impactful. Couple that with much lower operating costs and BEVs make a great choice. However realistically, we are not yet there with choice and infrastructure to fully immerse more potential BEV owners. I think from a Range perspective, we are pretty well there as the new standard seems to be 220-300 miles on a full charge, which for many many folks is good enough for a day’s use. However, we just now need more models and choice at various price points (lower) in order to really accelerate EV adoption. Agree with your findings guys for the most part and as always, thanks for taking the time to shine the light on this vehicle and really hone in on the self charging claim. Poor Toyota is just not getting with the program and they are going to be left loosing many sales in the upcoming years if they don’t change their plans.

[@anthonyconnor1603]

I don't think "self charging" is nonsense at all. The phrase "zero emissions" from electric cars is misleading marketing spin. It is actually propaganda. If you want to do something for the environment, keep your self-charging hybrid, petrol or diesel. Plug in hybrids are useless if not charged up as if you don't use them correctly, you are carrying extra batteries around resulting in extra weight, therefore using more fuel than a standard hybrid or diesel vehicle.

[@tarassu]

Now your channel gets negative because you used "self charging" statement.

[@BlueMax333]

"self-charging" is impossible. 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. All electric cars, 100% electric or hybrid use regeneration. When the batteries are charged by the engine, it is not "self-charging". It is converting energy produced by the fossil fuel engine to electrical energy.

[@wimschoenmakers5463]

Driving petrol cars for fourty years, makes my Hybride silent, so you here things that aren't a problem for people. Stop the BS and enjoy one of the best build cars around. What's a boring car if you just want to cruise around on low speed?

[@ShesElectric]

Self charging is a load of %&*#!!!

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

Self charging from the regenerative brakes, that’s all.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

My 320d is self charging. It does 65mpg and is 9 years old.

[@CrashUK28]

51.8 Mpg is poor. I use to get 48 Mpg in my ford focus mk2 1.8 tdci driving at speed.

[@GardenerEarthGuy]

Steering wheel is on the wrong side and it's an automatic transmission....

[@vilmadawkins3708]

Please show me tell me inside the car