Arborists Flipline / Soft Strop / Lanyard - Make your own

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James The Forester

James The Forester

Күн бұрын

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@Neilgal12
@Neilgal12 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best explainer vids I’ve ever seen. Thorough, meticulous, patient. Thanks! (Anyone who couldn’t hack the noisy table surface is a lightweight!)
@getsmart2050
@getsmart2050 8 жыл бұрын
James thanks for this video I am teaching myself to climb until I can afford to put myself through college very instructional
@Bluecollar711
@Bluecollar711 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for your sharing I'm a roofer of 25 years but climbing in trees is a new addition to my life
@Bluecollar711
@Bluecollar711 7 жыл бұрын
You are the best
@tomj5014
@tomj5014 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a clear explanation of how to set up and use the gear. I used to do a fair bit of climbing and worked on towers and trees, luckily I never had a bad fall. If I had known of this equipment I might have saved myself a lot of worry. If I ever climb again your time here will have been well spent because I'll definitely be using this information. Take care!
@marknhopgood
@marknhopgood 4 жыл бұрын
Very useful. Many thanks. I liked how you broke down the strop and rebuilt it.
@falfield
@falfield 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent: well thought out and executed video, with all the important info for anyone to follow either clearly explained or evident in the picture. Except maybe for a word on the friction cord - choice of diameter, length, termination. Thanks very much, James.
@theaxeman4429
@theaxeman4429 9 жыл бұрын
Good video! Just could have done it on the less noisy surface!!! 😄 👍
@BusaDan86264
@BusaDan86264 4 жыл бұрын
Very well explained great tutorial stay high stay safe brother
@coldrider3517
@coldrider3517 5 жыл бұрын
good , I almost use that same set up , I like to use a "Koss" the snap reacts better when throwing it over and behind branch's/trunk and for my preference a double action snap lock is sufficient , I find that steel wires work terribadly & I don't use them but -> BUT I always have two way of securing my life .I never touched my lanyard with the saw ( I touch wood so that it never happen ) but if it ever get cut I will drop about 1 yard at the most . 1 cable to move 2 two cut always , thanks for sharing the safety (+ $ saving ) knowhow , Climb high & stay safe Cheers from Montreal Qc
@ChicoTheArborist
@ChicoTheArborist 6 ай бұрын
The arborist flip line is an essential tool for tree climbers! It provides excellent support and stability while ascending or positioning yourself in the tree. The flip line’s durable construction ensures it can handle tough conditions, and its adjustability allows for quick and secure attachment around the trunk. It's a must-have for any arborist looking to enhance their safety and efficiency in the field. Highly recommend incorporating a quality flip line into your climbing gear. Keep climbing, keep growing, and keep shining bright, my friends! 🌳✨
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 6 ай бұрын
All great comments and good advice. 👍
@physiodigest
@physiodigest 10 жыл бұрын
Very informative relatively new to tree climbing but the clarity of explanation was excellent. Many thanks
@AndrewMoizer
@AndrewMoizer 8 жыл бұрын
James, thank you very much for making and posting this video. I've been researching different options for an adjustable length lanyard after putting new metal roofing on my house the other day. Last night I realized that I could re-configure the two lanyards I already had to make something like this. As near as I can tell it will work a treat. I only wish I'd known this before my monster session to get the steel on before the snow hit (just made it, but I have some finishing stuff still to take care of). I think an adjustable lanyard would have saved me an hour or more of time over the course of the day. I would have saved the time reconfiguring the two lanyards, and would have worked faster by being at the right height all the time. Once again, many thanks for sharing your expertise and experience.
@Oakclimbercj
@Oakclimbercj 10 жыл бұрын
With that friction lanyard set up you can use one hand to adjust. Makes the job a breeze. The only thing about a friction lanyard or climb line is that the pine tree sap can make it difficult to adjust. Any pine tree that is left standing long starts to sap alot so I make sure any pine tree I start I finish. Good vid. I've subscribed.
@blacktusktrees
@blacktusktrees 7 жыл бұрын
James, up here in Canada we buy our wire core flip lines with steel swivel snaps from the factory. Rather than use prussic cord that can be cut, cam style rope grabs are the preferred progress capture because they are cut-proof and handle pitchy/sappy conditions much better. Nice video though:)
@chain2grain
@chain2grain 8 ай бұрын
Just so people reading this know, these steel flip lines need an easy cut away for rescue purposes. If they can’t cut through your flip line in an emergency you could get stuck up the tree
@skye2881
@skye2881 9 жыл бұрын
if you have problems getting the triple fishermans off the rope snap you can use a yosmite tie off, i think that's how its spelled. (bowlin with an extra step and exits through the top) Its just as easy to untie as a bowlin and is about the same size as a triple fishermans
@odanne29
@odanne29 4 жыл бұрын
awesome man, going to do my own Lanyard/soft strop
@BoxJellys1
@BoxJellys1 10 жыл бұрын
Cool video, i too made my own strop cutting my rope down by 3 metres, only disadvantage i found is that the knot gets trapped in every fork while trying to pull it back, its nothing major but it really annoys me so i prefer to use a length with an eye on it so it traps less.
@natoyilively9379
@natoyilively9379 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, i just assembled my lanyard using this video as a guide. Works great.
@stickstone1
@stickstone1 10 жыл бұрын
Thank u ur video was very helpful I cut palm trees and I've been trying to come up with a good sytem to help me climb them easier
@dulhanifah8050
@dulhanifah8050 9 жыл бұрын
thank for sharing it's very imformative.
@dysfunctional_vet
@dysfunctional_vet 2 жыл бұрын
still relevant, great presentation
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lukabrne1829
@lukabrne1829 10 жыл бұрын
I'm not quite sure on the rules in the UK but in Australia, a figure 8 is no longer considered a safe stopper knot due to the fact that they come undone quite easily after being knocked around for awhile i.e while you're climbing a tree. Just something to consider, I guess.
@dprevish100
@dprevish100 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, Now I can make up about three of these depending on what length that I need perhaps:)
@DucatiMTS1200
@DucatiMTS1200 2 жыл бұрын
Well explained and very useful. Thank you.
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Glad it was useful!
@colorado2264
@colorado2264 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video !! Very simple and useful
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! More are coming!
@iahmed1717
@iahmed1717 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, explained eeverything very well.Thankyou
@victorgutierrez5826
@victorgutierrez5826 3 жыл бұрын
James what is the name and the size of the prusik cord also the carabines where to get it. thank you
@JohnJohn-wr7lg
@JohnJohn-wr7lg 7 ай бұрын
Excellent instruction. Thanks
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 7 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! 😊👍
@isbjornen1000
@isbjornen1000 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you so mutch for explaning.
@billboat10
@billboat10 5 жыл бұрын
Was going to watch but all that banging doin my head in
@leandrodesouzasouza1382
@leandrodesouzasouza1382 4 жыл бұрын
P Por dspapwwp pwp
@mvblitzyo
@mvblitzyo 4 жыл бұрын
excellent video .. joe from California
@nancypelousy3152
@nancypelousy3152 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent job! Very clear and understandable.
@mike_van_in
@mike_van_in 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Noise was an issue - maybe use a mat or blanket on the table next time - but thanks all the same!
@davidputnam4629
@davidputnam4629 10 жыл бұрын
James. it's time for a new saddle. who made yours? it looks like it makes a lot of sense to me. thanksfor the video too. how bout a carpet ontop of that table next time. David
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 9 жыл бұрын
It's a Petzl Seqouia. They have just released a new version with a rope bridge.
@ilyas689
@ilyas689 4 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, thanks. One question sir, How long is the prusik cord?
@lancerudy9934
@lancerudy9934 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad it was helpful 🙂
@thetreefellane
@thetreefellane 3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Used this to confirm an approach were taking with soft strops. Using a Petzl Micrograb instead of the pussick. Are you from the north east?
@fogcat1
@fogcat1 10 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank's for posting it.
@osmiumgus8025
@osmiumgus8025 10 жыл бұрын
James, thank you the excellent content. I will refer to this clip again, but I will fast forward past the intro to 4.20 for the good stuff. I know it is unfair to expect high quality production on home made youtube clips using single fixed camera. For future clips, the scraping noise of the hard table surface is very intrusive, a plain colour mat or cover will fix that. Also, i wish you would stop touching the lanyards in the first section and allow us an uninterrupted view, you could have done the first section handheld to show the whole lanyard and then close up from one end to the other explaining the components. That said, I appreciate your effort it is a really helpful instruction
@unclefrankonap1953
@unclefrankonap1953 10 жыл бұрын
just a real nice job explaining things
@paul-erikrosenbaum2259
@paul-erikrosenbaum2259 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. A very informative video:))
@mvblitzyo
@mvblitzyo 7 жыл бұрын
great tip i saw viewed this in march of 2017 !
@andyman242001
@andyman242001 10 жыл бұрын
thankyou james excellent vid.
@robertotirabasso2812
@robertotirabasso2812 2 жыл бұрын
Yes...but if you use a macrocender its esier and faster to remove ...
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester Жыл бұрын
Yes - I use mechanical progress capture/descenders too. Thanks for the comment!
@Stealth42
@Stealth42 10 жыл бұрын
great video , thanks for sharing. Why you préfere the prussik above the distel? Sorry for my english, i am from Belgium and only speaks flemish and french. Climb safe
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 10 жыл бұрын
It just works with that rope combination, I have used different friction hitches. Whatever works best for you!
@ndc2520
@ndc2520 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very good DIY video!
@TreeCamper
@TreeCamper 5 жыл бұрын
It's mainly stiff to be able to flip up during advancement.
@mooglecraft
@mooglecraft 10 жыл бұрын
What kind of rope are you using to make the soft strop? Is it static or dynamic? What thickness? Thank you for the video-
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 10 жыл бұрын
Hi, It's just a 4 metre length cut from the end of my climbing line which is designed for arborists - it has some stretch, but not as much as a rock climbing line. It's not static line - if you fell on a static line the sudden shock loading loading could hurt you.
@right8630
@right8630 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesTheForester actually all rope for arborist are considered static some more dynamic than others a pure SRT line is the most static. Their is a wesspur video explaining this. The main reason you don’t want a dynamic rope is it would be exhausting to use to climb trees.
@jbbolts
@jbbolts 2 жыл бұрын
@@right8630 at the lengths typical of flip lines do you think would it make a noticeable difference? I just threw one together using a dynamic rope... at a couple feet I didn't think it would be matter much referring to this: The main reason you don’t want a dynamic rope is it would be exhausting to use to climb trees.
@getlostrobyn5498
@getlostrobyn5498 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah dude put a sheet over the worktop. Listening with headphones, blew my eardrums out. Like the vids though 👌
@krisdouglas6536
@krisdouglas6536 7 жыл бұрын
Hi James, very very good video thanks. I was struggling to find a good video on making my, now ive seen yours the others are just a faff. One thing though im brand new to the concept of tree climbing, I dont have the split eye prusik. Can i make a pusisk with the same diameter as my climbing rope, as in cut some off one end? or should i use accessory cord, i have some 6mm? i realise doing it either way i wouldnt be able to use a pulley, unless i suppose i mad hoops on the ends, but then is it worth it? many thanks if you get a chance to reply mate cheers. Oh and nice to see a vid from a fellow Brit
@mr.benitezhimself
@mr.benitezhimself 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video very informative
@KellyVisionPictures
@KellyVisionPictures 4 жыл бұрын
What is the name of your harness and where can it be purchased?
@MrCarina1961
@MrCarina1961 10 жыл бұрын
Why not use the distel, rather then the prusik, the distel are easier to slide away from you?, and the lenght between the distel, and the micropulley, made to a minimum?
@sfleinen
@sfleinen 9 жыл бұрын
sfleinen Another key thing about the 2-in-1 lanyard, is that it is helpful to use a swivel-snap instead of a carabiner on the Prusik loop. Reason: as you alternate between the two ends of the lanyard, the Prusik is going to cam or twist. You can either keep a mental tab of strict alternation of "over, under, over, under, etc." to undo the camming that occurs, or you can use a swivel-snap instead (much easier).
@krisdouglas6536
@krisdouglas6536 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there, you make some very interesting observations there. Im new to tree climbing and im very interested in making this lanyard. I was hoping i could cut a length of the bottom of my rope to use as a prusik, can you advise if this would work and if so the best friction hitch for matching diameters please, or i have some 6mm accessory cord if that would be better ? I do realize doing it this way i would not be able to use a pulley but until i buy the split eye prusik this will suffice. Many thanks in advance.
@krisdouglas6536
@krisdouglas6536 7 жыл бұрын
If my prusik is off the rope i am using, eg same diameter would the Distel work? Also are you inferring the pullet should be very close to the pulley ? thanks
@MrCarina1961
@MrCarina1961 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Kris, I learned in the Danish forrest school, that the rope used for friction hitches, schould be slightly less diameter, then the climbing line, or in this case, the lanyard, 10 mm. Would be fine. When I had to start going on the first climbing course "basic treeclimbing and pruning" both my Yale 5/8" wirecore lanyards which I have mounted with Gibbs ascenders, were discarded by the teacher, because there have to be something somewhere on the lanyard which have to be able to cut with a knife or pruning saw, if somebody have to rescue me. If i am hanging in the lanyard, and somebody have to rescue me, it's very difficult to lift the victim up, in order to uninstall the carabiner, or snaplock. So all the school's wirecore lanard's were fitted with a distel. Making the Distel, start making the Fisherman's knot, in each end of the friction cord, then make the Distel, Install a Stubai micro pulley on the wirecore flipline, to lift the Distel. Take an ovale carabiner, and slide the eye on the fisherman's knot into the carabiner, then install the micro pulley, and the second fisherman's knot, slide all 3 items to the bottom of the carabiner, and put the carabiner in the side D - ring on your climbing saddle, and you are ready to climb :-D Watch Teufelberger CElanyard, it's similar to the above mentioned, except Teufelberger use sewn eyes, instead of fisherman's knot, and use DMM micro pulley, instead of Stubai micro pulley. Hope it make sense :-)
@theaxeman4429
@theaxeman4429 5 жыл бұрын
Hey man! - you still haven’t changed your worktop!!?
@rmwallis5943
@rmwallis5943 3 жыл бұрын
Why would you put a ropeman behind a prusick?
@BRENDANTHERED
@BRENDANTHERED 3 ай бұрын
It's a pulley I'm pretty sure, not a rope, man! Only partly joking.
@bluecoraly
@bluecoraly 9 жыл бұрын
Great video, James can you list the specs of the items you use ? thanks in advance
@jcam6809
@jcam6809 9 жыл бұрын
No stopper knot needed on the end of the fisherman's knot?
@right8630
@right8630 2 жыл бұрын
Why don’t you use a distal hitch or schwabisch over the English Prusik?
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 2 жыл бұрын
I have used them all - this was the simplest one for a demo video. They all work well enough.
@right8630
@right8630 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesTheForester ahh makes sense
@vinceabbinante2059
@vinceabbinante2059 4 жыл бұрын
How long is the pressick rope need to be
@sawjunkie4370
@sawjunkie4370 9 жыл бұрын
Thx for the great vid and sharing ideas...
@terryburket5156
@terryburket5156 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the presentation, I found it to be quite informative. I have one question, What is the diameter of the Prusik cord?
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 9 жыл бұрын
Terry Burket From memory 8mm or 9mm.
@pNoid2k1
@pNoid2k1 9 жыл бұрын
+JamesTheForester , what is the length of the prusik cord?
@blackbird1234100
@blackbird1234100 8 жыл бұрын
+JamesTheForester diameter of lanyard? 11mm?
@jackolantern6692
@jackolantern6692 7 жыл бұрын
james, exactly how long is your blue prusik cord with 2 eyelets? i notice they often come in 28 inch 30 inch & 32 inch (sorry, these are US sizes & not metric), so i am wondering which you have chosen. reason why, is because it looks like it would be best to use the shortest. if you can provide the metric length, that is OK. thanks
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 7 жыл бұрын
It's on another fliplineat the minute and I don't want to pull it apart! - from memory it was the shortest - 60cm I think?
@nikoscuatro7251
@nikoscuatro7251 4 жыл бұрын
great vid, thanks a lot!!
@rudychavira5558
@rudychavira5558 7 жыл бұрын
What is length on the eye to eye? Thsnks for video started building mine.
@scatoutdebutter
@scatoutdebutter 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thanks!
@madandfun
@madandfun 4 жыл бұрын
What thickness rope do you recommend for a lanyard?
@abscomm
@abscomm 7 жыл бұрын
Please put a table cloth or an old blanket or sheet or something on the table before you make another video. However the content was fantastic, thank you.
@stevejones7140
@stevejones7140 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that.. and it works a treat.
@quong1
@quong1 8 жыл бұрын
what sizes are the climbing rope 10 mm or 12 mm or greater....and what are the prices for the individual items... would be great.... thanks
@anthonyrichardbell
@anthonyrichardbell 4 жыл бұрын
Thank u u are the man!!
@vinceabbinante2059
@vinceabbinante2059 4 жыл бұрын
A lanyard rope needs to be how long
@delawareteacher1182
@delawareteacher1182 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome, I love this idea.
@josephparker7164
@josephparker7164 7 жыл бұрын
What size is the littel blue rope on the soft strop
@garengtutorial8923
@garengtutorial8923 5 ай бұрын
Bagus alat nya bro
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@1cleandude
@1cleandude 7 жыл бұрын
Why do you have to use the locking snap on one end then use carabiner on the other? Thanks
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 7 жыл бұрын
Hi - the snap on the working end is being opened and closed all the time because it's the positioning end, it's quicker, the shape/profile allows easier snapping back into a rope etc and can be operated more easily one handed. In truth, they're both load bearing so could use either on both ends. The carabiner goes onto your belt and is more or less left there,it can also be rotated around on itself.
@wbraith160
@wbraith160 6 жыл бұрын
Need a quieter table to work on there.
@JoeDnufc4life
@JoeDnufc4life 10 жыл бұрын
What is the length of your prusik loop on your wire core flipine?
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 10 жыл бұрын
Hi. From memory it's two metres. I may go shorter if the tree is thinner.
@wcb22516
@wcb22516 5 жыл бұрын
How long is 3 meters? Is that standards?
@Bubbles_Bubbles_Bubbles
@Bubbles_Bubbles_Bubbles 5 жыл бұрын
Between nine and ten feet. A meter is a little longer than a yard.
@Thatmanz2212
@Thatmanz2212 6 жыл бұрын
How long of a flip line should you get ?
@myfreestylebmx1
@myfreestylebmx1 4 жыл бұрын
Whats the point of having a steel flip line if your going to put a foot and a half of soft rope prusik... kinda defeats the purpose of the steel flip line in my opinion.
@Deliverance-Childrens-Bread
@Deliverance-Childrens-Bread 4 жыл бұрын
What size rope
@Seaguld
@Seaguld 9 жыл бұрын
so.... you say that soft strop is cheaper? give me the links youre shopping from....
@drivethelightning
@drivethelightning 2 жыл бұрын
Took me way too long to find a bare bones system..
@BenJoynerCollection
@BenJoynerCollection 6 жыл бұрын
In a word, Thanks!
@robertogonzales5862
@robertogonzales5862 10 жыл бұрын
good work thanks
@ridermak4111
@ridermak4111 4 жыл бұрын
A piece of carpet on the table and I could have made it past 1:30.
@atomatom6442
@atomatom6442 7 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@TheArtisans1
@TheArtisans1 10 жыл бұрын
Too much noise!
@jamesdearth2145
@jamesdearth2145 4 жыл бұрын
Noise!!!
@Bluecollar711
@Bluecollar711 7 жыл бұрын
Best!!!!
@bocanegrapaolo
@bocanegrapaolo 9 жыл бұрын
excelente video
@79brumley
@79brumley 7 жыл бұрын
Why use a prusik hitch when you have a eye to eye, Smh.
@badasswood
@badasswood 9 жыл бұрын
check out my vids, I spliced my own, and made my own eye to eye prusik, one on a twister, dual positioning, sick oh sick... did you build up the flip line yourself? I followed tberger specs for class 1 splice, and practiced for months... find spliced to be more reactive, better tending, and less cluttery...
@JamesTheForester
@JamesTheForester 9 жыл бұрын
+Badass Wood I wouldn't trust my splicing!
@badasswood
@badasswood 9 жыл бұрын
lol... I have been in testing more over the past year than anything... I have done some small trim jobs on my splices this year, when I had time... I have a full time job doing other things, savin up for a class 1 splicing cert in the ropes I use, and to have enough to start my own tree business soon. I am tired of dead beat tree jobs for unknowledgable, dangerous guys, being way under paid...splicing takes time to learn, and extreme amounts of repetition, and a bit of testing, and examination. I only know two types of splice in class 1 material lines. I stick to that for my climb gear.
@Bluecollar711
@Bluecollar711 7 жыл бұрын
✌️✅
@meysamrapell
@meysamrapell 8 жыл бұрын
like
@jimgabbard112754
@jimgabbard112754 7 жыл бұрын
hard to hear you and toooooo much noise
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA 5 жыл бұрын
not to ANSI standards in the USA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA 5 жыл бұрын
Well actually the second version of clip in was. The first was not a double action lock. Rock climbing gear and arborist gear are very different.
@carlcox7332
@carlcox7332 4 жыл бұрын
You should seriously consider putting a blanket over the table next time. Jesus Christ I can't hear anything your saying
@MrJohnBatty
@MrJohnBatty Жыл бұрын
Yikes, the table is really distracting.
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