Jamie Carragher and Patrick Kluivert debate why Holland have NEVER won a major tournament | MNF

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[@stewartsmith5816]

Don't forget that Sky Sports believe football only started in 1992.

[@mannion7646]

😂

[@docwhat8370]

Whoever titled this vid needs sacking.

[@seven92023]

Huge mistake in the title. Why forget Euro88? Holland have produced more high quality players than England.

[@kylecook4206]

Never won nothing

[@seven92023]

@@kylecook4206 Holland won Euro88 and have been to 3 WC finals. All England have is 66 with goal that shouldn't have counted.

[@kylecook4206]

@@seven92023 World Cup is over a euro

[@seven92023]

@@kylecook4206 for prestige maybe, but in terms of quality competition not so much. Plus that is the only final England has ever made. They have also two semifinals. England won the WC with questionable goal. Holland lost WC78 final but they should've been given a PK at 1-1. Small margin calls like that can make a big difference. Plus Holland gave the world Total Football - pretty much the blueprint for modern football. They have produced far better players than England over the years. Cruyff, Van Basten, Gullit and Bergkamp alone beat anything produced by England.

[@kylecook4206]

@@seven92023 Sounds like a lot of excuses to be but whatever, and the first 3 are greats Bergkamp not so much at least 4 English strikers better

[@danibutcher]

Well done Sky Sports! Not only did you get the name of their country wrong, you forgot they actually did win a major tournament in 88’.

[@perperson3818]

I think they meant the Holland teams that Kluivert played with, that didn´t win at a major tournement

[@bilaliqbal4012]

@@perperson3818 they they need to word out their title better

[@tejasmohite2651]

Holland and the Netherlands both names are used

[@danibutcher]

Tejas Mohite yes but incorrectly. Holland is just a region in the Netherlands. It’s like saying England but meaning the Untied Kingdom.

[@johnboylan3832]

@@danibutcher Except the Dutch also refer to the Netherlands as 'Holland' while only the Americans call the UK 'England'.

[@mintygreen8760]

What about Euro 88?

[@lukegill6908]

You not watch the video ?

[@Davidwv97]

@@lukegill6908 it's about the title and description

[@HT78787]

Before this gets lost in the comments I just wanna say that I upload insane motivational football videos

[@dhruvkashyap8024]

Carragher did say that at 1:40.

[@sacred1827]

@@lukegill6908 you not read the title?

[@nwk-wt3ty]

Anyone else noticed a lot of Dutch players, strikers have outstanding technique on the volley? often left footed, strike is so clean Robben, Van Persie, Van Basten.

[@liamjenkins6529]

Its the Netherlands not Holland

[@Daniel-it6ls]

I don't particularly care as a Dutchman

[@scarface6684]

What’s the difference? Genuine question, is it bad to say Holland or something?

[@anonnieman]

@@scarface6684 the Netherlands used to be the Low Countries of which one country was called Holland, now making up 2 provinces of the Netherlands (Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland). Therefore by saying Holland you basically address just a part of the Netherlands. It is like saying "Oh tonight er are playing East-Sussex" when you are actually up against England

[@jsuswaram]

Netherlands has always produced World class players. I think 1998 and 2010 were the two best opportunities they had to win the WC. But downside to their tactical brilliance is little belief in team work. It was usually individual brilliance and total football and there has been documented evidence that there was tension between players all the time.

[@DuongTruong-ez7my]

too bad in 1998 if they encountered ronaldo nazario from brazil and instead play with france or italy. they could have won it

[@lusciouslou250272159]

They'll have a very good spine for the next two tournaments at least with Van Dijk, de Light, de Jong, and van de beek. They'll need some of the attacking players to step up if they're going to take it to the next level.

[@tejasmohite2651]

Forgetting Memphis

[@iem7252]

Bergwijn, malen, depay, Weghorst.

[@gilzi1240]

1988? How about focusing why England hasn't reached a final of anything in 55 years?

[@alexbeck8568]

They won the World Cup though

[@aranyaism]

But still Netherlands are a greater footballing country than England.

[@dazzaMusic]

They meant to say why Patrick never won a trophy with Holland

[@lightbearer7508]

They should've won euro 2000. They were the best team and were very unlucky. They beat France in the group phase and absolutely battered Italy in the semis, but lost on penalties. They missed 2 penalties in regular time (kluivert missed one), so should've got to the final.

[@simonforrest2522]

They had an exceptional team in 98 but internal bickering (As per usual) ruined any chances of that.. And losing 2-1 to Brazil of course

[@henrimoll9621]

@@simonforrest2522 no mate, the dutch lost after penalties. As they did on 4 other ocassions...

[@vatsalsingh1555]

Lol you do realize they beat a french team in group stages who were playing without 6-7 first choice players and still push netherlands to there limits.

[@AnnieB8844]

Netherlands played without 6-7 players as well. Both teams went through because of that.

[@arnoldhiedler5901]

@@simonforrest2522 I'm dutch but once again we miss killer instinct.. Missing 2 penals in the regular game is horrible.

[@wallzy1337]

calling Netherlands for Holland is like calling England Yorkshire >_>

[@Davidwv97]

@No not part of The Netherlands, part of The Kingdom of The Netherlands

[@macca1370]

Cos Yorkshire is England 😂

[@sjeffiesjeff]

Nobody Dutch cares about this

[@blakelewisfilms]

Dutch people actually like it being called Holland

[@thepsalms2806]

Its like calling the UK, England, which is what quite a few people do

[@larrydavid5650]

Euro 88 was a major tournament.

[@turbo8628]

Netherlands should have beat Spain a few years ago bit Robben stayed on his feet when Puyol tried to rugby tackle him... instead of having a free kick and playing against 10 men he was determined to stay up and try to score the winner... And people wonder why players dive!

[@alexbeck8568]

They should not have beat Spain, purely for De Jong’s attack on Alonso

[@turbo8628]

@@alexbeck8568 got that right with calling it an attack 😅

[@AnnieB8844]

We didn't win cause we missed a bit of luck at the end. Also, in 92, 96, 98 and 2000 we went out on penalties in the Semi-Finals, Quarter-Finals, Semi-Finals and Semi-Finals. It became a national trauma. Also, that team in '98 I believe could have won it, but we played an amazing Brazil (which was one of the best matches I ever saw) and so it came to penalties. We just missed that bit of luck. I also read a story that the French organization made sure with the draw that France would not play Brazil until the finals. That is why we ended up playing them in the Semi-Finals. 2000 we had 2 penalties in the regular game against Italy (missed) and then lost on penalties. So that is basically what kept us from winning it. Just sheer unlucky in the end with the penalties.

[@postlex]

Gullit also left the Dutch team pre-World Cup ‘94 after disagreements with Gaffer Advocaat.

[@danielabatabogdanov8586]

Let's not forget that because of being of being a smaller nation that the depth of talent might have been lower then most nations. We had some great teams but in those teams many times we also had some regular players. Like in 2010 for example.. now the 70s where different but we had bad luck or where slightly worse then other teams. Ironically we won 88 when we actually not so dominant.

[@barryjohn2641]

According to sky sports the football that counts before 1992 is 1966

[@Robin-is3ke]

2010 was a nightmare for us... If Robben.... never mind

[@Donnouri1]

I believe its in our nature to have the ABSOLUTE believe of winning the world cup. The last killing mentality. Look how many times we lost penalty shoot outs.. We miss this killer instinct.... 😪 (Glad we won euro 88 though)

[@Mohadam17]

Netherlands nest world cup will be a threat. That team is growing. And from what I have seen, it's got top quality in the team. See then smashing team.

[@anonnieman]

The Netherlands never won anything because of luck and because they like beautiful football. If you want to win you sometimes have to be mean, look at Germany they often won with a side that was not as good as another side, but with some muscle and meanness they won. Sometimes you need to pull a shirt or kick someone. That is why Van Bommel and De Jong helped the Netherlands a lot, especially in 2010.

[@callistoindustrial2516]

Hungary is another big team that's never won the World Cup.

[@anonnieman]

@@callistoindustrial2516 they only had this level for about 20 years or so, but that was the same thing as the Netherlands. Great, beautiful and innovative football, but unwilling to play dirty, which cost them the world cup as well.

[@bill7481]

In 1998, Patrick had enough opportunities to put Brazil away by himself.

[@danielabatabogdanov8586]

I'm a dutch guy that played a lot of football where we played a lot in the triangle. Actually i disagree with Kluivert that the dutch style is playing the ball in front of the player in the run. This is more English. I moved to Sweden as a teen and started playing football again where i didn't understand why they always where running all the time ....

[@benobrien8101]

This is complete bollocks they won the euros in 1988

[@davidp4916]

Because there’s no country called Holland

[@sudharshanve8519]

They won the Euro in 1988.

[@mattastley8095]

Should be titled why have Holland only won ONE major tournament. It is a headscratcher though

[@youngm8175]

Actually Jamie looks like dutch appearance wise

[@PhillyBoy264]

Jamie Carrahgher is unbelievable, he thinks Liverpool should be it's own country while he can't even acknowledge that Holland is one part of the Netherlands, much similar to how Liverpool is apart of England

[@RaghavaVemuri]

Any football video I watch reminds me of 6:0 right now 😭 Chelsea Fan

[@DeviantDeveloper]

Major tournaments are mostly luck. One refereeing decision, one shot that hits the post instead of going in, can totally change the outcome. People need to realise this.

[@eldio2124]

If they bring back Robben for the euros they can win it

[@bobbydazzler329]

Robben will be about 48

[@PabloProductions666]

@@bobbydazzler329 😂

[@sucklambschop3124]

It's incredible to think that this guy has only played in 3 major tournaments. Should have lasted until Euro 2008 at least.

[@rightuppercut1426]

The problem is that Holland has a so-called “yes, but”-culture. It works in politics but not in top-sports.

[@pacha777]

Can you explain it... I don't know much about dutch culture.

[@aliyuyahaya4431]

I'd say the one reason why the Netherlands have never won a major tournament is the opposing team having better luck than them in each case.

[@tomjones370]

This is an easy question to answer Franz Beckenbaur and the god spain team of 2010

[@iem7252]

and the Rigged WC in Argentina

[@rhysgellingfisher1489]

They’re always 3rd or 2nd best. 2010 better than Brazil and Germany but not as good as Spain. 2014 not as good as Germany. Etc

[@AnnieB8844]

I agree there, but 98 I honestly believe we should have won that. And if not that one, then 2000. That squad had arguably the best defense, best midfield and best strikers in the world. In 2000 we had Kluivert, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooi, Van Hooijdonk, Makaay, Hasselbaink. The topscorer of the Premier League did not make the team. So I really agree: those two tournaments were lucky for us, but the 98/2000 ones I really think we could have won if not for penalties

[@rhysgellingfisher1489]

AH Bloemhoff very unlucky in 74 as well. Although you have done much better than england have ever done even without winning the World Cup

[@objectivemr.5058]

@@AnnieB8844 what I know for sure that The Dutch should be in Euro 2000 Final (not sure if they could win against France in Final), the penalties they had against Italy were all failed even in normal time. About 98, well Kluivert & Bergkamp were decent but R9 was in his prime. When it comes to penalty kick, you know Holland won't goes through

[@fayssal7613]

Imo 2014 they were as good as Argentina and Germany. They were just unlucky...

[@Boog_masskway]

Wow Kluivert looks decent for 42.

[@elliotpurser1449]

He’s in prison

[@KakashiHatake-nr4jl]

3:54 oh please no ...

[@soulsmischief2626]

seems like every big football nation had a golden generation around the milenium. france, nehterlands, italy, england, brazil and argentina were all fantastic. only germany and spain are now better

[@khurmiful]

Has Patrick lost weight, he was a big unit from what I recall in his playing days.

[@joememphis1571]

He had lost weight due to food poisoning. He lost about 9 kilograms.

[@mrugod]

Holland is in the Netherlands... even I, an Englishman knows this.

[@AnnieB8844]

So nobody is mentioning that Platini admitted the French rigged the draw so we had to play Brazil in the semi's in 98? And that the French could play the final against them? Incredible that everyone always ignores these things. I think it should have been The Netherlands or Brazil who should have been World Champs. But that's the Dutch story: always should have: 74, 78, 98,2000

[@juliettebarasch6180]

Is Euro 88 not a “major tournament”?????

[@gabrielmoore1894]

Euro ‘88? Basic football knowledge yet Sky think Holland still have never won owt 🤣

[@gabrielmoore1894]

Mr Manager yeah obvs Carragher and Kluivert will know but the editor of the title

[@toppman89]

The Netherlands won the 1988 euros, shouldn’t the video be titled a World Cup and not a major tournament as they have clearly won a major tournament in 1988. Hup Holland hup ! 🇳🇱 🧡

[@tomlyon6143]

Jamie Carragher is a specialist in not winning anything so for once I actually value his opinion

[@abrocksification]

yeah you are so correct...... oh wait the UCL,THE TREBLE etc........

[@ghosttown2173]

And your a specialist in talking shite.

[@razer0072073]

HE WAS APART OF THE TEAM THAT TOOK ON THE GREATEST TEAM ASSEMBLED OF ALL TIME AND WON AGAINST THEM IN THE GREATEST FINAL OF ALL TIME!

[@jeff-vh9pl]

Treble??

[@jeff-vh9pl]

what treble?

[@boots317]

I wouldn't mind the euro 88 thing so much but they actually mention it in the vid... c'mon guys!

[@TheTunsi87]

Patrick Kluivert looks a bit like Denzel Washington😅

[@iem7252]

Biggest injustice in Football is Netherlands never winning the World Cup. This has to happen. 1974 = Germany vs Netherlands in Germany. Netherlands should have won 4-1 easily if not for the worst of lucks ever in a football game. The crossbars are still shaking. 1978 = Argentina vs Netherlands = RIGGED and Cruyff was not playing 2010 = Robben missed a unbelievable 1on1. Casillas with literally his pinky saved the ball from going in. The Angels & Saints where all over him that day.

[@callistoindustrial2516]

Both the Netherlands and Hungary.

[@specialperson335]

They won the euros in 88

[@serz1885]

98 i want holland to win soooo bad and 2000 and 2002 and 2004 and 2006 but 98 was best

[@babaibrahim9809]

Handsome man I really like this guy

[@haafayn6075]

Brazil, France, Italy, Argentina and Spain were better in those tournaments. With a bit of luck The Netherlands could've won a World Cup and another Euros. Brazil could've won a few more as well.

[@macca1370]

Like always sky talking balls

[@moji6625]

England will never produce and play aswel as Netherlands. It’s not about population and stupid things like that. They just don’t have it in them and the Dutch do.

[@jackmallory7996]

The Netherlands never won a World Cup because they lost in all three finals they played in. You have to have been an ex-pro to understand this as it's not immediately obvious.

[@Dlee234]

There is structure in Dutch football all the way down to the lowest level. When i play amateur matches with people from other countries you notice that they had less training regarding playing in a system and what your role is.

[@jappiejojo777]

And.... we failed again

[@paulpauliepaul]

They did in 1988 ffs

[@michelalhadithi3517]

If holland have been to the final, they ll beat france for sure but there was one player at this time.. Ronaldo!

[@Amzyy]

Holland always lack that key player in defence, midfield or attack, always. That's why.

[@IjzerKeizer]

What do you mean “key” player

[@Hieillua]

The Holland that reached the 2010 WC finals had a really shitty defense. While their midfield and attack was worldclass.

[@IjzerKeizer]

Kiei Luahi yeah i would agree, almost every team team that holland has produced has had was at least world class in one part of the field

[@IjzerKeizer]

Matt Tully you wouldnt call robben, van persie and sneijder world class?

[@Davidwv97]

@@IjzerKeizer RvP and Sneijder were way past it but managed to perform. Robben on his own got us 3rd place.

[@roadrage9191]

Why the Netherlands never won a cup? before 1974 Netherlands were insignificant 1974, unlucky and Germany was a quality squad and playing at home. 1978, unlucky and Argentina were playing at home. 1982, 1986 they were not good enough. 1990 they were fighting as they did not like the coach. 1994, Brazil was better and too much respect for Brazil. 1998, had a good chance, sucked in penalties against Brazil. 2002 was not good enough 2006 was unlucky in a dirty match with Portugal. 2010 Spain was better but still unlucky as could have won. Dirty players, van Bommel and Nigel de Jong took away any joy from the match. 2014 Germany was better any way but sucked at penalties against Argentina. 2018 Not good enough. So in short, not always good enough, a bit unlucky, difficulty against home teams and a case of sucking in penalties sums up our WC history.

[@yaseh9162]

You were right for the most part but you forgot to mention that in 1978 Johan Cruijff didn't even play. He was recieving death threats and his family had to get protection. Also before they were playing the final game in Argentina literally every player was being abused by local Argentinian fans and they didn't get enough protection from the police. Everything about that final was corrupt and the referee made some sketchy calls aswell.

[@samorry15]

They have just been very very very unlucky. 3 WC finals is really jusy bad luck

[@marcelo06]

Because they blaze too much weed before a match? Didn't they win the euros in 88 or something?

[@Mike-gu6oq]

1:10 ''i dont like to talk about the history''.. offcourse not because then you had to tell them that you hit somebody with a car while being drunk and killed him and just got away with it cause your patrick kluivert.

[@haafayn6075]

The woman was drunk, driving in the wrong lane. Stop spreading lies.

[@malborxhukellari8602]

THEY WON THE EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIP 🤔

[@simonforrest2522]

Just say NO to drugs... Clearly

[@emmetgrubb9923]

*cough* Euro 88 *cough*

[@salebanjama9466]

New football names holland football

[@dirk5720]

Justin will come...

[@redjammie8342]

Cups aren't meant to be necessarily won by the best team in terms of football skills and tactics. In a cup with KO stages, you can have the best individuals, the best tactics, but loose the whole competition if some event that's not based on skills or tactics: subjective or misinformed referee decision, injury, hit the woodwork more than once. The cup format is entertaining but it's not fair. That's why it is full of surprises. Surprise meaning a team of not-so-great players, ends up reaching higher stages.

[@Flippityflap]

The problem with Holland is that the white players are super arrogant (sneijder, van persie, v der vaart, robben)) and 9/10 times are narcissists and want the limelight for themselves. Then comes, the dutch players with different a background have the same issue lol, especially in Kluiverts era. And while they can all be friends, on the pitch they want all the glory for themselves. Also, we havent had a decent defender since Jaap Stam. He was a true pro.VVD is good but he lacks football intelligence in my opinion, or intelligence at all. His interviews he comes across as pretty dumb, in my humble opinion.

[@sunilkumarsingh5291]

Yuk

[@Kevon420]

The Germans

[@HT78787]

Just before this gets lost in the comments I just wanna say that I upload insane motivational football videos

[@znhait]

How the hell did he deserve more in '98? Ronaldo absolutely ripped them to shreds in a game that should have never went to pks. The Netherlands probably should have more than the one Euro they won, but they've shot themselves in the foot. If I remember correctly, Kluivert missed a regulation pk against Italy in 2000, which cost them a birth in the final. That's probably why he doesn't mention it.

[@MakinaMakinaMakina]

Jesus Christ, your terminology on football actuslly offends me. Listen son, if you're going to watch football, never refer to a penalty as a "PK" or use the term "regulation time" Your comment is oozing with Americanisms.

[@AnnieB8844]

Ronaldo was amazing, but we had the overall better team and the fact you are mentioning we 'shot ourselves in the foot' means that it was US who defeated US. It was an amazing all-round Dutch team, the best I ever saw. I believe it was the best in the tournament there, but off course I thought Brazil was amazing too

[@pareebeshchiluwal1399]

Ronaldo was good but Netherlands completely outplayed Brazil in that semi and were the better team. Extra time was all about only Netherlands as Brazil played for penalties

[@Davidwv97]

Shame his son will never reach Patrick's level

[@Beplachebek]

He has another son, Shane Kluivert and he's more promising than his older brother Justin

[@Davidwv97]

@@Beplachebek way too soon to tell

[@HTC87130]

Talk after 20 years. His sons could wins the WC and I wouldn't put it pass them to do it. They have got a good bunch of players coming through.

[@Davidwv97]

@@HTC87130 nah besides the big names of De Jong, De Ligt, Bergwijn it's not all that special

[@josephkony9140]

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