Jamis Challenges Fremen Leadership | Where is her champion? | DUNE 2021

[@exotickosher1831]

"Then the sun will witness this death" is such a great line because Jamis isn't assuming that it will be his opponent who dies. He didn't say "their death" or "the outworlder's death" he said "this death." He invoked the Amtal, he knows someone is going to die and it might very well be him, but he does it anyway because he believes the strongest should lead and he'll put his life on the line to ensure it. It's that lack of ego and belief in his convictions that make Jamis a memorable character, even though he only had about ten minutes of screen time.

[@ZUIKMedia]

Although I'm not well versed into the Dune lore, was Jamis sure he was going to die? Before they start the duel, Jamis was telling Paul that he should welcome his blade, since the desert will "Kill him" and that his blade "would be quicker". He seemed confident when he said it too. It seemes like he underestimated Paul, and him saying those words before fighting was his way of giving him a sort of "mercy".

[@egg64]

@@ZUIKMedia the irony is everyone underestimated him except Stilgar who believed he deserved a fighting chance; Chani and Jamis both patronized him, but to their credits, Paul was an outsider and seen as yet another oppressor.

[@vonn4017]

maybe look up what the amtal rule is

[@sammiller6631]

Sounds like Jamis had plenty of ego driving his convictions

[@techmarine83]

@@egg64 Not in the book she didn't. In the book she was far more supportive.

[@cg6977]

"then the sun will witness this death" such a badass line

[@thebatman6201]

It has real "fight in the shade" vibes

[@Dunbarick]

for someone who died like a punk

[@Dunbarick]

@Miro Reverby Wrong, he died for no reason other than his ego, so he died like a stupid punk, and in front of his friends too.

[@kaizenkltr]

I also really like how Stilgar doesnt say the Sun's going down, he says "the night is fading" which is extremely fitting considering that, well, the Sun is deadly laser

[@koko40800]

@@Dunbarick Wrong, you have no clue what's going on here

[@michaelproano1449]

I love how Jessica was so ready to throw hands

[@TheChosen2030]

And she would have died

[@orale_]

​@@TheChosen2030 How? Bitch can see the future

[@el_kabong]

@@TheChosen2030 Lady Jessica was so beyond Jamis it's not even funny. She toyed with Stilgar the same way Paul toyed with Jamis. Both of them were superior to the Fedaykin. She's an incredibly powerful member of the BG even before she undergoes the spice agony. In the pre-Leto II era, you do not fuck with the BG.

[@bondrewdthenovel3598]

@@TheChosen2030 Lady Jessica has two things on her favor that makes her an unparallel fighter, even for a fremen: 1. The Voice. She could make Jamis scream in agony with just a whisper. 2. The Weirding Way, the martial discipline that is exclusive only for the Bene Gesserit. Deadly in close combat. Jamis was no match to Jessica.

[@koko40800]

@@TheChosen2030 Jessica would have killed Jamis in the first exchange and then fed him to her unborn baby

[@realitystrikes1998]

I'd like to point out Stilgar waring Jamis to not fight meant one of two things: 1. Either Stilgar was smart enough to know Paul would stand up for his mother, because that's basic logic and clearly knew how to fight. 2. If Paul didn't, he would have done it because Jamis was challenging him by proxy and wouldn't stand for it. That's why he was swaying a little bit and about to step fordward before Paul did.

[@Lechuga1815]

Also, Since Jessica disarms and defeats Stilgar in the previous scene, he is aware of how dangerous and trained she is. Stilgar is faced with losing skilled new blood or losing a fellow Fremen and brother. The fact that Paul stands in to fight for her is even more intense because now Stilgar knows that Jessica isn't even the strongest (in terms of martial ability) of the two. Dune has a recurring theme of not losing the most skilled members of your team. The Harkonnen's rampant killing of their own people (in the book, the Baron is contemplating assasinating his own mentat Piter before Leto kills him) is opposite of Leto Atreides reluctance to lose the skills of Thufir after Paul's near-assasination.

[@willtroy1986]

@@Lechuga1815the more I think about this fight, the less sense it makes. I really resonate with all of your points, and it leads me to the question about Jamis: why didn’t he realize the same thing Stilgar did?

[@Lechuga1815]

@@willtroy1986 I think it’s the plot. I believe Jamis had to die to not only prove his ability to the Fremen enhancing their faith, but also to prove to Paul and the audience that his dreams are not set in stone and he can still avoid the war.

[@willtroy1986]

@@Lechuga1815again, totally agree with you; the strength of this movie is the character development. Just didn’t make as much sense in the overall context of the narrative but maybe that’s just me.

[@rujotheone]

​@willtroy1986 Jamis had probably been trying to get the leadership position of the tribe but knew he couldn't beat Stilgar, coupled with the fact that Paul/Jessica are foreigners and the Fremen don't trust foreigners. Also Jessica did not fight because she is a religious and the Fremen don't fight that class of people.

[@Invisus_Letum]

Jamis: "I'm going to beat on this woman" Stilgar: "You may not beat on a woman" Jamis: "Well I'll beat on her kid then"

[@sholape]

😂

[@Aurelian159]

ngl, If Paul intend to kill Jamis, the fight would only last for less than 10 seconds.

[@Invisus_Letum]

@@Aurelian159 did it seem to you that Paul was confused by his encounter with Jamis seeming so contradictory to his visons of Jamis?

[@koko40800]

Somebody gonna die today...woops, I guess it was me lol

[@stonem0013]

Jamis really didn't know that he was just a plot point

[@MionMikan]

When the side character walks up like he got main character energy

[@flippert0]

Why can't these Fremen just be genre-savvy?

[@cmhughes8057]

Paul knew he could win, he was trained from a young age in this fighting style. He looks like a little boy (and the series got that right from the Dune book) but he is a trained warrior.

[@BlauRFasan]

Paul was actually very wary of fighting Jamis in the books. Paul was trained extensively in shield-combat, but had no experience in combat without shields or "real" combat in general. His muscle memory works based on shield-combat, which almost gets him killed twice. Once he gains experience in live combat and overcomes his shield based training, he becomes without a doubt the best duellist in the Imperium, matched only (maybe) by Count Hasimir Fenring.

[@koko40800]

@@BlauRFasan Paul also had visions he would be killed with a knife...so when he fought both Jamis and Feyd, he wondered if this would be the person who killed him

[@willtroy1986]

@@BlauRFasanYes, the fact that they changed this from the book makes the meaning of the fight make no sense in the movie

[@azmodanpc]

Chani telling Paul that Jamis was a good fighter and the fight would be a good way to die showed how little she knew about that "little boy"

[@papertowel2458]

In the end, she lets that 'little boy' raw dog her. lol

[@TheFruitcake1983]

He just scattered several Freemen, including Jamis and after that he's a “little boy”

[@tdr124-q8l]

Stilgar taking away Paul's Maula pistol like he's not a duke trained by the best two warriors in the universe and who is the kwisatz haderach and can see into the future.

[@bobbylite7179]

it was not about his training it was about him earning his place among them,

[@_ace786]

He wasn't one of them yet but someone given sanctuary only

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

Paul let him, but only once Jessica approved.

[@Sodiumreactor]

@@bobbylite7179 Earning his place?? He just knocked three of them on their asses!! Including the so-called "good fighter" Jamis! He did this while his mommy kicked the shit out of their leader in 4.2 seconds flat. WTF does he have to do to earn this pistol? Kill a worm single handedly with no weapon??

[@bobbylite7179]

​@@Sodiumreactor I had typed out this really long explanation for you, but I think it would go over your head, since you do not know the source material you don't not understand why he had to earn his place. No fault of yours you're just ignorant to the material, and my use of the word ignorant is in the context of you not knowing /understanding I do not mean it in the negative way.

[@Idras74]

When the plot device with legs starts mouthing off like he's the main character.

[@watsonsd1]

Doctor M'benga from Strange New Worlds. Phenomenal acting in Dune. I grieved his death. It's been decades since I read the book, so I don't remember what it revealed, but it seemed like his pride suffered in the initial clash with Paul and that led him headlong to the duel that killed him. Terrible loss. I would have enjoyed seeing his mentorship.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

Those visions of Paul learning from Jamis were absolutely inspired, revealing so much about Paul's precognitive power, and adding depth for the moment Paul will say at the funeral that he was a friend of Jamis's because he learned so much from Jamis.

[@watsonsd1]

@@MrBrachiatingApe I appreciated how Paul knelt by his side as he died and offered his hand, which Jamis quickly took. That was a lifelong friend and teacher he killed and never got to know.

[@SprikSprak]

Jamis did teach Paul the way of the desert - kill or be killed, harsh survival and the Fremen culture of strength just not the way Paul wished it.

[@bulbus7062]

Wonderful actor; Jamis and M’benga are worlds apart but he inhabits both perfectly

[@JWilliamsLangley]

"You cannot fight a sayyadinna." Very true, but in the case of Jessica, not in the way Stil meant.

[@hadeskire6110]

"But you look like a little boy " that line was savage af from Chani 😂🙌

[@1IbramGaunt]

Even though frankly so does she here lol

[@offlineraided]

She looks like a little boy too lol

[@azmodanpc]

That line came to haunt her when he kicked Jamis' butt.

[@CampaignFT]

Paul aint duck no smoke when he called for her champion

[@mnaug]

Once Paul knows whats up he steps up to fight for his mother with zero hesitation.

[@chikani254L]

i accept her champion

[@----ic6pw]

Jamis's has an amazing voice! Scary and a bit mental!

[@koko40800]

Jamis ain't having it

[@jjack3186]

Turns out He ain’t having anymore life either 😂

[@darkhorse306]

He was butthurt he got dropped

[@johnwilliams1381]

He must be from the north 😉

[@Mercedesxoo]

@@darkhorse306nah even before that, he called them weaklings and that stilgar should return to reason. He clearly wanted them out even before paul rekt him and stilgar

[@batboy.]

Paul got to the higher ground has he knew how to wear the suit he had already been there.

[@angnguyen6060]

both 2 movies of Dune ended with a duel fight scene, I wonder how the third ending would look like

[@Akira282]

With him walking into the desert to die like a fremen

[@angnguyen6060]

@@Akira282 no way 😭

[@Snowytiger000]

Except he doesn't die, uses his prescience to survive the desert for decades despite being blind, then spawns a kid who controls the universe for 3000 plus years

[@Akira282]

@@Snowytiger000 He does die by Alia's priest's hands.

[@Snowytiger000]

@Akira282 yeah , just saying that he died a few decades after roaming the desert blind. And it wasn't the desert that killed him, he kind of chose to die by the preists hand

[@arthurradley5372]

Would have loved it if just before Paul stepped forward to accept Jamis' challenge, Paul said, "I'm your huckleberry."

[@negativezero3107]

even better,Val's doc Holiday himself walks in front of Paul haha, and of course the "aren't you a daisy" after he kills Jamis lol

[@scottwallace5239]

@@negativezero3107 doesn't doc say 'You're no daisy' ? When he kills Ringo

[@werewolvesdeathmetal]

Whyyyyyy, Fremen Jamis....you look like someone just walked over your grave

[@arthurradley5372]

@@werewolvesdeathmetal Brilliant! Well played.

[@vonn4017]

he's not challenging Stilagar. he challenges Paul because Paul got the best of him when Stilgar attacked Jessica and Paul ran to the high ground. Read the book. the movie is missing the finer points and has taken a lot of liberties with the story. To be a Femen is a challeging thing. they have glossed over the fact they they call themselves ichwan bedoiun. a band of brothers. if you so much as give away you position in the desert you will be killed outright. as you have put the tribe in danger. these are some harsh conditions to live under but it has bred the best fighters in the known universe

[@Dunbarick]

not the best fighters when some newbie kid has a knife at your throat 3 times in about 30 seconds

[@vonn4017]

@@Dunbarick newbie kid? hes been training all his life with best teachers money could buy. go read the book. you dont know shit about shit

[@MrSqurk]

@@Dunbarick a kid with “magic” powers. This would be like you saying the Spartans were the best fighters and my response being “but Jesus Christ could easily beat them.”

[@KeeganJAmaya]

@@MrSqurk Uhmm, pretty sure his training with Duncan is what did the trick. Your analogy would work if Jesus was a black belt, and used said skills.

[@tyouel84]

@Miro Reverby great explanation, thank you

[@ihsanbacha1437]

jamis thought he was him

[@Bobswartz]

Couldn’t you make this just a little darker?

[@GustavoSilva-ny8jc]

FUCKING SUCKS that they had the audacity to cut 2 key things, 1: Jamis doesnt trust them and want to prove if theyre trying to carve a false path among them (which they are). And 2: Jessica is not happy AT ALL with him challenging her son, she say "i'll teach you agony" and try to use the voice on him but Jamis invoke Silence on her and the battle happens.

[@АртурАртуров-ф4ю]

And 3: Paul grieves for Jamis.

[@Kyubii01]

Canon event

[@levity90]

What does Bardem's character say?You may not challenge a what?

[@mjolnir112]

A Sayyadina

[@williamdiment7439]

"Sayyadina" - it would be a wise woman, but more specifically he means a sister of the bene gesserit

[@sslelgamal5206]

Welp, Paul showed him why the Smartest must lead, not the Strongest! Tzeentch is happy now😅😅

[@leightingting]

Did he kill Jamis in dune 1 or 2?

[@royleyva197]

Part One

[@RobertGarlinghouse]

Haven't watched yet, was this all filmed at night with black lens filters?

[@sammiller6631]

It wasn't "filmed at night with black lens filters". It looks better on the theater big screen. Your computer screen is squished potato in comparison.

[@bugwar5545]

@@sammiller6631 You are right. In theaters it looks like it was filmed at dusk with a heavy grey filter. A bit better than my home monitor, but not a whole lot.

[@sammiller6631]

@@bugwar5545 Even in theatres, it differs between the dollar theatres known for second run showings and theatres with ultra large screens, laser projection and even larger IMAX screens.

[@manakin5]

The production has stated that in many of these desert scenes, filming was first thing in the morning, meaning right before or at sunup. It just got way too hot any later than that. And it makes sense too in the context of the story, since the Fremen do not generally hang around outside in the daytime for the exact same reason. They want to get underground before it gets much lighter and hotter.

[@stevecampbell3153]

This scene is too bright, needs to be darker

[@quitequiet5281]

The absence of the word Tribe...???

[@piotrd.4850]

"but you look like little boy" - " so do you".

[@imonit4272]

LOL, I know right???

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

Never understood why the director opted for this instead for the scene presented in the book

[@RecklessFables]

Seen three different versions of this scene on the screen at this point. I forget how the book went. Same problem with Lord of the rings

[@jacobhise8044]

It's quicker and imo more fluid than in the book. In the book, they get all the way back to the sietch before Jamis decides to present the challenge. It makes sense for him to make his objection when they actually join up with their group, rather than waiting an entire trek through the desert to do so. Besides, we don't learn much about Jamis during that trek anyway, and we've already seen him and learned somewhat about his character through Paul's visions. I also expect them to go a bit further with him in the second part when they hold his funeral like in the book.

[@davidmac277]

😊​@@jacobhise8044

[@santiagovera7198]

Love how Paul said NOTHING, he was just ready to throw hanfs

[@jagaloon216]

Oh bore off film version Chani.

[@CT-nb5lm]

This Chani is unworthy. I mostly blame the director and those weird dead model like stares he makes her do. But your teling me this is the girl a prince settles for? ~~I want to like this newer Dune but i will always prefer the original & ESP the mini series.

[@ericgabeau8148]

Génial. Non c'est sarcastique

[@ballbby3775]

Why do the freemen cut the back or their wrists in this scene.

[@Nevermore-eq9lx]

Their knives can only be sheathed after drawing blood. No enemies means they gotta draw their own blood.

[@ballbby3775]

​​@@Nevermore-eq9lxoh like the Gurkhas, if they draw their knife they cant put it back till it tastes blood, and those dudes are some bad ass fighters. One dude, a Gurkha was on a train and a gang of dudes tried to rape a lady, dude fought the entire gang off her and held em off till the train pulled into the station.

[@ballbby3775]

​@@Nevermore-eq9lxthanks for the answer.

[@oleblack]

Fkin knocked his black arse down 😂