Japan's 1980s 3D Videodisc system - 3D VHD

[@ogami1972]

Let's all take a moment to appreciate the time Techmoan put in to making a paper demonstration. Man, you are too awesome. More puppets, please.

[@neillthornton1149]

Unless you are colorblind, in which case those rings all just look the same. Red and Blue, Green and Yellow, hell black and white would have been better than the green/red combo.

[@albert71292]

I just hope he's getting enough royalties for the videos. I can't afford to Patreon for every creator I follow, but don't see ads either, since I pay monthly for Premium on KZbin.

[@HamburgerAmy]

@@neillthornton1149 if you look in your video color settings within the accessibility menu of windows you can set your computer to display a more friendly pallet/theme of colors that will help you interpret things better w/o relying on others. :D

[@Funeeman]

4:22 I haven't watched the "The House of Wax" for over 20 years.

[@RobCamp-rmc_0]

Blame KZbin for the lack of puppets; iirc Mat said something to the effect that the videos with puppets would be demonetized because they’d be classified as content for kids or something like that

[@kennylauderdale_en]

A few friends of mine have actually been trying to track down some of the exclusive anime they produced in 3D for the VHD format. They're surprisingly expensive. Great video!

[@mgabrysSF]

At least you don't have to worry if the discs have succumbed to 'laser-rot' when you buy one used - because there's no laser involved.

[@Asterra2]

@@mgabrysSF Laser rot, no. Analog and composite artifacts, manifestly yes. (See the _Friday the 13th_ footage in this very video. The dark areas look awash with what was aptly described as second-gen VHS-like chroma garbage.) Still, it's easier to clean those things up than it would be for laser rot.

[@stephenbull2026]

I suspect you meant “unsurprisingly”....😂

[@steve_1507]

Would it be possible to re-encode it in modern 3D video format?

[@mfaizsyahmi]

Always a pleasant surprise to see Mr Macchan-face-on-the-moon on a Techmoan video. Your work on digging up rare Japanese media is very much appreciated.

[@camp_bell6929]

I'm in awe at the milage you've got covering a moderately successful Japan-only video format over the years.

[@daviddennen7479]

I'm more surprised at just how many formats there were.😂

[@hanzzarkov7690]

Maannnn , you wrangle up just the coolest old 'cutting edge' stuff. You old geek with your visor viewer and dogged determination, fun tech. =D

[@twistedtxb]

Everytime I watch your channel I always have a voice in my mind that tells me "He's gonna run out of content for these obscure formats" Yet , each week you surprise me with YET another obscure format. Thanks for everything!

[@3DFILMARCHIVE]

There are many fine and relatively inexpensive projectors available. Don’t deprive yourself of all the vintage 3-D goodness on Blu-ray! We’ve restored nearly 30 titles since 2014 with many more to come! I appreciate the technical information on this system with one correction, Arch Oboler’s THE BUBBLE from 1966 in Space-Vision was the first widely distributed single-strip 35mm polarized 3-D feature.

[@andrewelphick2304]

I have a few of your releases Yes they are excellent. Here in Japan we can still get the new marvel films on 3D blu ray but the restorations you have done are much better in terms of 3D.

[@Clay3613]

Keep up the great work! Shame manufacturers got lazy and dropped 3DTV development.

[@jeroenk3570]

I was expecting that the last 3d wave would be here to stay, at least that more 3D capable devices would still be available. How come 3D goes away every time, and when will it be good enough to stay?

[@dlarge6502]

A projector maybe the way I will go if my 3D TV dies, however it would need to be a pretty short throw projector in my case as it's 3m to my wall from where I'd likley have the projector and I'd want it to look at least as big as a 42" TV if not 50"

[@KasumiKenshirou]

I was waiting for the format war of the various 3D TVs to end with one dominant format, but all the manufacturers just STOPPED making them instead. I didn't know about the projector option. I'll have to look into that.

[@awsumpchits]

The thumbnail has some serious Lawnmower man vibes, love it

[@thefenrisianssweatshop]

Glad it wasn’t just me thinking that 😂

[@radry100]

Japan truly lives 30 years in the future..

[@trippymchippy8586]

I'm so old, I remember when 3d was the admission price.

[@blunderingfool]

Pre-decimal pennies?

[@martinmcfly4658]

Our household loves your videos down in New Zealand. May not mean much but Thank You Mr. Moan

[@sw6188]

I'm in NZ as well and always like to see what is new from Techmoan.

[@Chickenbreadlp]

Regarding the 3D Blu-Rays you got there: There is still a community dedicated to these, and they heavily overlap with the VR community. In a sense VR is the perfect match for 3D (some might say the final form of 3D). You get perfect stereo separation with a bright image for each of your eyes and a very good isolation from the outside world so you can truly immerse yourself in the experience. You can rip 3D Blu-Rays like any other Blu-Ray, but with the added benefit of saving it as a 3D video file which can then be played in 3D in VR applications like Bigscreen. I don't have any 3D Blu-Rays unfortunately, and they're really hard to find these days, but given my experience with the legal VR 3D movie renting of Bigscreen, it should be a pretty great experience and puts these 3D Blu-Rays to good use :D

[@greensheen8759]

YES! I never cared about 3d movies until I got into VR. it's awesome and especially with a valve index or hp reverb G2 the surround sound is incredible without having to have speakers all over your room

[@deineroehre]

@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo Apple and compatible with anything in the modern world? That was a good joke.

[@SlocketSeven]

And yet, Despite being the perfect platform for 3d movies. I find that even in VR 3d movies look terrible, distorted, and hard to watch.

[@omegabob99]

3D blu-rays are not hard to get - Amazon is your friend. Also, many projectors have 3D built-in.

[@Intolerantmoron]

@@omegabob99 I have had a great chance with Last of 3d Oled TVs by LG in 2016 man I was just wowed. Bought a 3D projector later but active shutter system of that made me sick Much prefer LGs passive 3d where you can use cinema hall 3d glass as it's same

[@BobBell808]

Brilliant video. I can only imagine how difficult it was to piece together this 'quasi-ancient' technology, then present in a way to your 2023 audience, that we could understand and appreciate the intricacies of the technology, and its relevance to us today. I, too, was fascinated by the thought of 3D, even though I'm a bit older. I actually remember seeing the original 3D movies, shot in the 1950s in the early 1960s. By then, Hollywood exchanged the dual left-right projectors with this stutter-single projector when each frame was alternated between left and right, with a spinning polarizing lens alternating between the frames. Because of that, there many reports of people having epileptic seizures during the watching of the these films. At the best, they gave you a pretty good headache. What I think is fascinating is how all these great technological innovations have to balance the ingenuity of the new ideas with the hard limitations of the existing tech, coupled of course, with the costs associated with implementing said advancements. Again, brilliant video.

[@BillAnt]

Consumers will always follow the path of least resistance, comfort, and lowest cost. Having to wear cumbersome flickering active glasses is definitely not one of them. Even today 3D is just not widely popular due to the relatively high cost, and only working with special applications.

[@JHMBB2]

Now you have me interested in the 3D movie resurgence in the 2010s. I wasn't very interested in it at the time, nor could I afford it, but the idea of not double screening sounds wonderful.

[@NoName-ik2du]

Just my two-cents: If your interest is for the sake of not double-screening, you can solve that for free by setting your phone down somewhere else in your house. I wasn't even aware that "double-screening" was a problem people had. At home I set my phone down when I walk in the door, and I rarely touch it again until I'm leaving the house.

[@StreetPreacherr]

Anyone interested in still watching 3D BluRays should look into PROJECTORS! Nearly all DLP projectors are INHERRENTLY 3D capable, so you can find nice 1080p 3D Projectors for under $500. It's also the best way to experience 3D at home. DLP 3D doesn't suffer from any 'ghosting', and with 3D, the BIGGER the BETTER, so a 100"+ Projector image is FAR more impressive than even the largest 3D OLEDs. ;) I'm also hoping that if the Apple Vision Pro headset is successful then maybe consumers might start demanding new 3D movies to watch on the things!

[@chaos.corner]

Another option for 3D watching is VR headsets. Most of the players can play side-by-side or over-under movies. A bonus is that the picture is generated for each eye so no dimming effect.

[@MeeSanFrancisco]

@@StreetPreacherr Thank you! I have a nice Bluray 3d collection and my Samsung 3d flat screen died 😔 I loved that thing and had glasses for the adults and kids. Have fond memories of family movie nights. With your tip I'm gonna see if I can resurrect 3d movie night, thanks again. 👍

[@cardinaloflannagancr8929]

Yes pretty much same here. I had a friend who bought 1 movie 3d if I remember correctly Alice in wonderland 3d. I didn't like how the colors looked, maybe the glasses they give you don't play nice with glasses.

[@Cherijo78]

As someone who can never use and experience 3D systems such as this or VR, It's always amusing to hear people's views on these systems who can use them. I have one eye nearsighted , one farsighted, and the left eye is also a lazy eye so I have this weird combination where I can't see the 3D effect at all, and I also can't see a clear 2D image because I do have a partially working eye that sees some level of depth. I drive a forklift, etc in real life extremely well where I can compensate for this, but these 3D systems just don't have enough leeway the way they're made that works for me. Thus, I love to live vicariously!

[@CousinHubertRetrogaming]

Hi Matt, so happy you finally got to enjoy 3D VHD at last! I discovered VHD thanks to you i think 6 years ago and since then i imported about 150 of them. I love it! I also showcase the system and its 3D movies in retrogaming expos in France (on a 10inch Victor monitor lol when the brightness is pushed to the max the image is perfectly enjoyable) people are gobsmacked haha❤

[@alexzapf6422]

One thing I’ve learned from watching your show, is that new technology is not that new. It’s just evolved. You never miss to entertain and inform. Thank you.

[@A2theC]

It's always impressive the dedication you give, years waiting for product, to make some of these videos for us. Always appreciate the end result.

[@ClassicGOD]

The best way to watch 3D movies nowadays is a VR headset. Skybox VR player software does an amazing jobs supporting all the different formats but you still have to rip your own BluRays yourself. It's a pain but all modern TVs removed 3D support and only remaining non-vr 3D capable screen in my house is an Epson projector. It has an amazing 3D but it is still more work to set up 3D watching experience on it than just putting on one of my VR headsets.

[@AuroraColoradoUSA]

VR headsets suck. That's why nobody (real) makes them anymore.

[@ma_er233]

VR headsets are just way too heavy and uncomfortable… I tried to use some pulley and counterweight to hang my Quest 2 to watch a movie. My neck was still hurting a lot after two hours. It’s not very viable until the tech got much improved.

[@OmaeWaMoShindeiRYU]

@@AuroraColoradoUSA sony, htc, meta, and microsoft aren't real? VR has advanced so much in the last 5 years

[@ClassicGOD]

@@OmaeWaMoShindeiRYU Don't forget HP and upcoming Samsung headset. He is just salty or trolling, ignore him.

[@mechadeka]

@@AuroraColoradoUSA "2021 - VR sales doubled in 2021. 14.25 million pieces of VR headsets have been sold during the year. 2022 - 19.14 million pieces of VR headsets have been sold during the year."

[@djlumimies]

I’ve loved 3D images since childhood, ViewMaster is such a neat device. In 90’s I had stereo camera, from 1950’s and the feeling of looking at those photos is still remarkable. My earliest 3D stuff is french ”diableries”, from late 1800. They are fully hand-coloured and had small tiny pieces of gelatin for special effect for eyes, which were punched through the stereopair. They are still quite breathtaking to watch with a stereoviewer. 3D blu-ray has saved many awful films, without it they would be entirely unwatchable. Great stuff, as always!

[@stevew8513]

The Pioneer LaserActive laserdisc player had a 3D shutter glasses system similar to your VHD player. They were only compatible with a few laserdiscs, none of which I've ever had the chance to own. The only store that sold the system around me discontinued it and shipped it all back, with the exception of a floor model that I bought from them. I always wanted to see how the 3D effect would work, but have never seen the 3D goggles or in fact any software for the thing since, other than at a retro gaming convention.

[@mozzjones6943]

Correct. but those few titles were specially made 3D laserdisc software roms, no actual films. Those shutter glasses also worked with Sega Scope 3D games, as the system could play sega discs and carriage games. that system was a jack in the box sega console dream and could play multiple disc formats too.

[@superdeadite]

I have LaserActive with all unique releases and 3D goggles. "3D Museum" is quite the 90's experience and good fun. The adults-only 3D titles are also quite amusing cheese.

[@revidual]

Have you ever covered the angle button on DVD players? On the disc of the Mike Oldfield concert it allowed 3 different views of the stage, which could be changed on the fly without interruption.

[@MrSirViking]

A few songs on the S&M Metallica Concert DVD had this as well where you could change around and watch different band members in some songs. I have always thought it was cool.

[@mikesilvester3433]

The Criterion Collection’s DVD of The Beastie Boys Video Anthology took this even further with videos that had multiple viewing angles & multiple sound mixes.

[@BorisZech]

People that did not grow up or were still curious in the 80ies probably don't know this, but you had all kinds of crazy things back then. It was a great time.

[@RealStevenStifler]

How interesting video! 😃 The 80's was a decade of innovation in every aspect.

[@KanalFrump]

An exciting time but also a frustrating one! The limitations of contemporary computer graphics and standard def analog video formats were plain to everyone who had ever experienced the fidelity of 35 or 70mm cinema. The washed out pale colors of video! The lack of contrast and detail! But pioneering these primordial versions of technologies that wouldn't really be "good enough" until decades later must have been very exciting still. The market was very different, you could sell these early clunky things and consumers were accepting of the fidelity attainable at the time. Just look at 1980s home computers and their blocky graphics.

[@eXiLe824]

I knew you were going to pick the most ridiculous 2 frames you could at 6:41. I saw it coming and you delivered.

[@PSNGormond]

It's a real pity LG dropped 3D from their OLEDs from the C8 onwards, I was actually one of the few people who liked it - It would have been great to see 4K UHD movies.

[@my3dviews]

I have an LG passive 4k 3d TV. It is great. Funny how every TV manufacturer dropped 3d at the same time. You would think that one would continue making them and corner the market. Lots of people would still buy them, even if it is to replace one that they have that isn't working. Now, all you can get is 3d projectors. Just got Avatar 2 in 3d. 😎

[@anthonymerchant2597]

I'm watching this video right now on my LG 3D TV. My Epson Projector also came with 3D capability and it's just a few months old. It does true 4K as well.

[@megajatt123]

@@my3dviews are they still making 3d discs?!

[@megajatt123]

@@anthonymerchant2597 so, it's 8k? Cz u need more than 4k to be able to get 4k in 3d, innit?

[@my3dviews]

@@megajatt123 Yes, but most of them are only released in Japan, so cost quite a bit. Almost all of the Marvel movies are released there in 3d, with the (2d) 4K UHD version. There are also a few being released in Australia. Like Minions and Sing 2. Avatar 2 was just released in Canada and the U.S.. I just got mine a couple of days ago.

[@rebeltaz123]

This is one of your best! I say that with some bias. Like you, I have been collecting 3d equipment and media for decades! Cameras, videos, converters, glasses... I love it all!

[@maybud60]

Another informative video on a technology I never knew existed👍🤓 Thanks. I still have my 65" LG OLED 3D-TV after 7 years and continue to enjoy the awesome 3D it produces 🤩

[@benjaminhanke79]

I stopped watching every single Techmoan video some time ago but that thumbnail was weird enough to click. As always, thanks for showing us all that stuff.

[@FriedEgg101]

The best 3D experience I ever had was at Futuroscope, back in about 2000. It's a theme park of cinema in France. Randomly my Biology A level teachers decided to take us on a school trip there. The place has an IMAX, a 360 degree cinema, a cinema where the seats move, like a simulator, and a 3D cinema. The 3D experience was amazing; we watched a documentary about sea life, and I had fish swimming up to me that I could see in incredible detail, plus some jump scares involving Moray Eels. I'd love to go back. Not even sure if the place still exists.

[@AaronOfMpls]

Yah, I saw a 3D IMAX movie like that as a kid in the 90s -- an undersea documentary with fish swimming in and out. Plus, watching everyone else grab at the screen was almost as entertaining as the actual (rather interesting!) documentary. 😎

[@FromMyXP]

Came in the comments to talk about the Futuroscope too :) I went around 2004, they were using a similar glasses system as the video (flickering LCD glasses, synchronized by radio signal). Several attractions had it, including regular flat screen but big, a "360°" half-sphere screen type, and a 360°+very dynamic seats! They also had a few games that used what is basically a VR headset stuck in a wall. The park is still open, however it looks like none of the attraction I did exist any more. The inevitable march of Time and all that :/

[@AurumUsagi]

I've always wanted to go to Futuroscope. Last time, during my BTEC years in the late 00s, my course was going to have a field trip after deciding against DLP, but it got cancelled in favour of Barcelona and PortAventura. Although I enjoyed the Catalan architecture and the theme park, I'd have loved to check out the 3D experience at Futuroscope.

[@RonaldoSantos-pw6yh]

Here in Brazil, the 3D TVs was like a fever, much people buy it, but after a year and half, the two main makes, Samsung and LG stopped the production of it, as well the titles in 3D. I believe that 3D must be experienced in the theaters only, unfortunelly. Great work as always Matt!

[@jonathansabinvarietyfilms]

Nope projectors are the way.

[@StreetPreacherr]

I think 3D TVs were MARKETED HORRIBLY! I worry that many 'regular consumers' feared that EVERYTHING would be in 3D, and they'd have to wear 3D glasses to watch the 6 O'Clock News, or every half hour sitcom... 3D SHOULD have been marketed as a SPECIAL FEATURE of the TV, that would allow you to watch Theatrical 3D movies at home the same way they looked in cinema, or Special Sports games, so people knew they wouldn't be forced to wear goofy glasses EVERY TIME they turned on their TV set...

[@PasleyAviationPhotography]

I literally finished technology connections videos on CED disc's yesterday, so seeing this is like a continuation of that series! It went from a unknown (to me) format to something I'm thoroughly interested in now thanks to channels like these!

[@MickeyFKNMouse]

It surprises me how often 3D makes a come back. Any other tech usually dies and gets forgotten about. 3D just won’t die 😂

[@Swim_Jonse]

The logo on that JP BTTF cover is incredible.

[@EU43-068]

I can't think of anyone else who would be capable of talking digital stuff in an analogue way better than you can do it, @Techmoan. Thank you and thank you again.

[@G_Fresh_UK_Extra]

Always a quality video from Techmoan, do miss the dashcam reviews ( bought a K1S 8 years ago because of his review, still working today). Didn't realise i missed the puppets until they were gone, i think they should make the odd appearance.

[@marcusdamberger]

Blame KZbin change of policy. Anything with the hint of appealing to kids, i.e. puppets, but then has some kind of adult theme to it; can get you a strike against your channel. So instead of flirting with KZbins algorithms and trying to explain how your video doesn't appeal to kids and should not have been given a strike, it's simply easer and safer to not even put anything on that looks or resembles like it's meant to appeal to kids.. You can have kids stuff, but you have to categorize your channel as for kids only and obviously only have content meant for kids. There are channels that are categorized for kids out there, but they can't have anything else on content wise. i.e. no mixing and matching of adult and kids videos on one channel. Matt simply choose to drop the puppets than to face the wraith of KZbin. I also enjoyed the puppets, it was a unique aspect of his channel and I liked how he made fun of the KZbin comments community and the usual kinds of responses people would post, and poke fun at them.

[@rokushou]

The "watching 2 things at once, not really paying attention to either of them" quote is so true. I never understood how people do that. They must be better at multitasking than I am since whenever I do that I end up having to rewind the show/movie a bunch and waste more time than if I had just paused it to look at the other thing.

[@marcusdamberger]

They aren't really any better, they just don't mind missing parts altogether. Humans can't really multitask in the sense of taking in two things at once simultaneously and able to perform or respond as though they were only paying attention one or the other. It's not possible, they are simply flipping between concentrating on one then onto the next and back. So really their concentration is diluted between the two at best and more than likely one task is taking more concentration, i.e. resources. If your young or simply have a racing mind, it may be easier to switch up like that all the time, and is probably how you do everything, like how ADHD/ADD kids are constantly distracted from one thing to the next. TikTok must be based on this level of stimulation in the brain and why it's become so popular. Humans can't multitask and they don't have "instinct" that so many sports/play by play announcers keep on insisting on and perpetuating..

[@segamanxero]

Had a Sega Master System as a kid, that system was out in the late 80s. It had a 3D shutter glassess option that use similar LCD tech to alternate shuttering each eye. Only a handful of games came out for the 3D effect, but I loved it as a kid, and still enjoy it time to time now. The Sega 3D glasses looked similar in tech to the Victor ones you showed, even with the TRS jack connector. It seems 3D every so often comes back as a gimmick and then fades back away.

[@valdenv]

I've got a pair of the Master System classes and they were exactly the same with the one exception being the use of the temple arms like normal glasses rather than a head band. I can't find them anymore, but at one point some nVidia video cards (around the GeForce 2 era, so early to mid 2000's, IIRC) were dabbling in 3D and you could get video cards that came with the exact same wired shutter method! So similar, in fact that I tried using the Asus (my card at the time) glasses with the SMS and the Sega glasses with the PC card and both worked with the others hardware.

[@mapesdhs597]

Matthew, were you ever able to try out a CAVE system or Reality Centee back in the day? Multiscreen projection systems that can be driven in 2D or 3D, the CAVE utilised 10' x 10' walls and optionally the floor/ceiling, while the Reality Centre employed a single curved wraparound screen about 28' wide and 10' high (with seating for about 20 people), both employing sophisticated edge blending so one could not see the seams between output channels. The curvature of the R.C. screen ensured uniform eye-to-screen distance. High-end SGI Ony2s were used to generate the imagery. I was sysadmin of the first CAVE in the UK back in the early 2000s, which had a 16-CPU Onyx2 with five graphics pipes (four drove the CAVE, the fifth drove a Reality Centre via three separate channels). I was curious as to whether you'd heard of or indeed ever seen or used either system. In the UK they were usually installed by the company Trimension. Motion-tracked CrystalEyes glasses were used for the 3D effect, which worked very well. The CAVE I looked after had three walls and a floor (so four projectors) each using 1024x768 @ 96Hz stereo, while the Reality Center used three 1280x1024 channels, giving something like 3700x1024 after the losses from the edge blending. In addition to being the sole sysadmin, I also ran countless demo sessions for visitors; the 3D effect was perhaps too effective with the Reality Center, it was used sparingly as the risk of motion sickness among visitors was rather high (infact the sense of motion could be considerable even without using the 3D mode). Such systems were heavily used for numerous industrial and research tasks, but also found their way into a number of entertainment installations, especially in the US. At the place where I worked (the National Industrial Center for Virtual Environments at the Univ. of Salford), the systems were used for research & application development in medical sciences, industrial engineering, urban modelling & planning and various other fields such as augmented reality, with considerable collaborative works occuring with instituions as far away as Japan (which included the ability to host multiple actors within the same virtual space, ie. the early days of networked/remote VR). If you're interested, I have some original Trimension product brochures I'd be happy to post to you (I'm in Edinburgh). Naturally, the modern versions of these systems use emissive flat panel screens driven by Quadro cards, and may include floors which can move to permit continuous movement within the space. Btw, concerning 3D, check out the video "Six Degrees of Freedom: Designers & Engineers Put Virtual Reality to Work (1996)", on the channel 'Linda Jacobson' (she produced the documentary in question). The examples shown are all driven by SGIs. VR and 3D has had a rocky history in entertainment, but they've long been used for all sorts of industrial tasks and numerous fields of research. I also have a video clip of me in the CAVE (using an engineering visualisation system called COVISE, manipulating a model showing airflow around a car), and another showing some visitors in the Reality Centre, if you're interested. I won't post links here as I suspect YT doesn't like that.

[@lazerhawk1762]

Japan always have something to surprise you!

[@padawanmage71]

Techmoan wearing those 3D glasses made me think he was auditioning for the Daft Punk band 😀

[@mazinz2]

I’m sure it has already been mentioned here in the comments, but many projectors still support the 3d for Blu-ray (frame packed). I picked up a brand new BenQ unit (about 2-3 years back) from Best Buy. It’s active 3d (battery powered glasses) but it’s incredible. Works wonders for space and not needing to worry about tracking down a (now) second hand 3d TV set which I would not have room for anyway

[@nuclearmonster]

maybe the best techmoan thumbnail of all time!

[@ModernClassic]

Totally agree about modern 3D - I loved it and wish it was still around. My old 3D plasma set still works, it's still my bedroom TV and I still watch 3D movies on it occasionally. There are laser projection sets that still do 3D and I might try one of those someday (I have a 4K UST projector now but it isn't 3D; not really worth replacing it just for 3D). You can also still watch 3D movies on various VR headsets.

[@jonathansabinvarietyfilms]

It is still around 👍

[@NicMediaDesign]

I just bought Avatar the Way of Water 3D last week. In which world is 3D NOT still around?

[@tileslasher]

I had the Lg EC9300 3D Oled in 2015 and I totally loved the 3D. Was the greatest, honestly. I was able this last year to turn one of my rooms into a small theater, 200 inch picture on the wall, tack sharp 3D movies. But my 3D Oled was awesome, I actually purchased the warranty on that TV I got the 5 year warranty. Believe it or not, I was given the Sony Z9D to replace it. Was the last 3D TV made. It however was not passive 3D. None of the projectors really have passive 3D, But I do honestly enjoy the ability to watch the large collection of 3D movies I had and still purchase anytime I see one in the wild I don't have. I've got over 70 3D movies. I hope they bring back 3D Oled. Good grief, it's nothing to put on a pair of glasses. We used to always go to 3D movies at the theater when I was growing up. The new generation just complains about the glasses and complained it out of existance. Let people have choices.

I can't really understand why passive 3D is not part of today's televisions anymore. For me personally Dolby Atmos is less desirable than the 3D stereo capability of the display. I think the only way you can view 3D movies nowadays is with a VR headset. I do tried it with my Oculus Quest 1 before selling it, and it was working very well, the thing I noticed is the brightness and colors were a lot better than through passive 3D glasses. I have a hunch that the interest for 3D movies might come back with the introduction of Apple's Vision Pro. (I hope you don't mind that I'm migrating over my comments from the previous version of the video.)

[@mhoppy6639]

Interesting post. I enjoyed Gravity very much on my 3d set but everything else (sorry) fell flat. The functions still sitting there on my Sony 42” set and perhaps you’re right about the apple device bringing things back to the fore However given the price of the tech currently it could be an expensive way to invest in a new high end concept. Big question as ever will be can apple create a market where there currently is none. The fit as ever, will be the dealbreaker esp for glasses wearers like me.

@@mhoppy6639 it's enough if Apple's product can recreate the "need" for 3D movies/series. I will gladly enjoy the "mediocre" experience on the Oculus Quest 3 for 1/7th of the price :D Jokes aside, I had tested the side-by-side stereo version of Avatar on my Quest 1, streamed using Virtual Desktop from my PC. It looked very nice. And yes, not all 3D movies worth watching in 3D.

[@mgabrysSF]

I mentioned it earlier - but the Vision Pro (why pro at the outset? I never 'got' that), IS a full fledged recording rig. That interests me - much the same way Brainstorm did from 1983.

[@katrinabryce]

@@mycosys The other thing is, there are three things that combine to give a 3d image: Perspective, Focal Length, and Stereoscopic image. 2D screens can do perspective. 3D screens add stereoscopic image, but the focal length doesn't match the stereoscopic length, and that is what causes eye strain, and means that the 3D effect only works if you look where the film director wants you to look on the screen. Usually you would take multiple samples around the scene and assemble them together to form the 3D image in your brain, but 3D TVs don't allow that.

[@johndough8115]

You can view 3D films with 3D capable projectors. My buddie had a very old 720p projector, that could project in 3D. He bought the wireless 3D lcd glasses for it. Made a 14 foot wide screen... and the experience was virtually identical to the Imax 3D experience. Completely blew me away.

[@Asterra2]

Wow. _Starchaser!_ The most hidden of hidden gems. A bona fide _Star Wars_ ripoff that can stand on its own two legs. Imagine having that 3D treatment. That would be my most prized possession for sure.

[@dataterminal]

I have a VR headset, and can now watch 3D movies on the Big Screen app. Now that 3D TVs are basically non-existent, it'll be interesting to see if VR (particularly Apple's Vision Pro) will bring back a renewed interest in 3D. With VR, there is no shutter effect, so you get a full colour image. With VR as well, it really does feel like you're in a Cinema... but it makes me wonder, will VR headsets of the past be seen as 3D players, as they become obsolete tech? I'd love to see what Techmoan thinks of the current gen of VR headsets, like the Quest 2 to watch movies in general and/or 3D ones.

[@ek8710]

How do you watch 3d movies on your headset?

[@nabagaca]

@@ek8710 Not the commenter but I watch 3d movies on my quest 2, and this is what I do. Normally you can either transfer a ripped 3d-bluray to the headset directly, and then depending on the headset there's a few apps that can play it back, like the built in video player, or virtual desktop. Alternatively you can stream it from a PC with something like bigscreen vr, or bigscreen even has a small catalogue of 3d movies you can rent and stream directly.

[@MrTBoneSF]

Almost any VR headset will work. My favorite is the (now discontinued) Oculus Go. It's dirt cheap, very light, and has just enough power for movie watching. It doesn't have full head-tracking, but that's fine for movies. It's very comfortable to lay back on a couch and watch Gravity on a virtual IMAX screen.

[@jbalazer]

Mat's explanation of the track format at 7:50 isn't right. VHD uses a continuous spiral track, not concentric tracks, and for both the 2D and the 3D programs on a 3D disc the stylus skips ahead every half rotation. Basically the 2D and 3D programs are interleaved at every frame or every half rotation, and for whichever program you've selected, the stylus advances by one every half rotation so that the selected program continues to play. On a normal disc the stylus just follows the spiral track from the outside of the disc to the inside with no skipping. The 2D program is normal interlaced video, and the 3D program is field sequential 3D video: the odd fields are for one eye and the even fields are for the other eye. A frame is composed of two fields, and each quarter rotation is one field. So one quarter rotation would be for the left eye, the next quarter rotation would be for the right eye, and then the stylus would advance by one where the next quarter rotation would be for the left eye, and so on. Both programs contain a full normal audio program, but the two audio programs must be identical and perfectly synced to accommodate slight differences in the timing of the stylus skipping on different players. Ultimately the 3D VHD approach to interleaving the two programs had just one benefit: you could push a button to instantly switch between 2D and 3D. But it required twice as many discs for the same playback time, disc changes twice as often, and a complicated mastering process. If I were designing the system, I would have just kept the 2D and 3D programs on separate discs and forgotten about interleaving.

[@benji.B-side]

6:44 😂Had me giggling like it would have done the whole class, if this happened at school in the 80s. 😄

[@AlienatedBronze]

YTP generator

[@mattminceylegs]

That 4-way splitter box for the 3D glasses has to be one of the most optimistic pieces of technology ever!

[@chuck2501]

3:03 I have this on VHS! I've kept it all these years. Me and my siblings loved this movie, it was not for kids but my parents just saw a cartoon!

[@SDGamer638]

As an epilogue to Techmoan’s story…around the time of the 3D Blu Ray era, there was a piece of equipment available that could turn any non-3D HDTV/4K TV into a true 3D TV as well. It was called the 3D Video Wizard, and it was made by a company called Cell North. This adapter came with its own set of anaglyph glasses and when plugged in correctly could turn polarized 3D into the old red/Cyan 3D image. It was only available for a short time. Once the company went under, they stopped making the 3D Video Wizard. I still have my 3D TV, but since upgrading to 4K TV, I needed to make my 3D discs last, so thankfully I bought the 3D Video Wizard off of eBay before it was too late. The image you get off of this does have some ghosting, but with some adjustments to your TV it will work out fine. In any case, the 3D image is just as lifelike as a regular 3D TV. I bought the 3D version of AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER recently on blu ray, and the 3D there is spectacular. The 3D Video Wizard is hard to find on third party sites (eBay, Craig’s List, etc.), but it’s glasses are still available. You can also see 3D on a computer, provided you have a 3D capable external blu-ray with appropriate accompanying software and red/cyan glasses.

[@maksphoto78]

I watch Encounter in the Third Dimension at IMAX, my first large-screen 3D experience. By the way, I had a go at some early 3D gaming as well. There was a set of polarizing glasses and a stereo driver. It was really cool to play video games in 3D.

[@fredbloggs8072]

I watched the International Space Station documentary narrated by Tom Cruise as the IMAX. I loved it, and I went back and watch it again three more times. The 3D really made me feel like I was up there on the space station in person. I know a lot of people have a downer on 3D generally, sometimes justifiably, but I think it's wonderful for certain things.

[@robertlawrence9000]

When Batman vs Superman came out in theaters in 3D, I went to an Imax theater to watch it. The movie isn't so good but also the 3D wasn't a good experience. I realized, the Imax screen which was curved along with the flat glasses lenses made and unavoidable glare always in view. It wasn't a good experience. Had they used a flat screen, the glare could have been avoided. I bet experiences like that is what put some people off on avoiding 3D.

[@jhutt8002]

I remember when 3D graphics came in PC Games late 90's - early 00's. Suddenly and since every game had to employ 3D graphics even when it makes absolutely no sense and ruins the experience, like in Civilization or HOMM. I still like PC gaming and play some classics, but haven't bought a new game for 20 years. That's why I was really glad to see 3D fail in movies. When I first saw it around 2008, I hated it and was sure it's going to take over, and within 5-10 years popular blockbuster movies will be only shown in theaters 3D, and real movies would only be from small indie companies for a limited run.😢 Luckily that didn't happen. Imagine if 3D had taken over in 80's... things like Jurassic Park and Marix would surely only have been available in 3D... It would have been terrible!

[@Ro8st3r]

I’m actually quite impressed by the technique , beauty of engineering

[@Bearcade]

I feel the same about 3D. Been curious about this system for years. Thank you for covering it.

[@samiam5557]

A new TECHMOAN episode!

[@MarcKloos]

My parents had a Phillips LCD tv, which has 3D. Very enjoyable to watch 3D demos on KZbin. Until it got a firmware update and they removed the 3D option altogether! 😮

[@TheUAoB]

Pretty sure that's unlawful behaviour.

[@krizalllid]

Had a 2013 Samsung that did 3D. It died a few years ago

[@TheTyisawesome]

Lol wtf... Rollback to the old firmware problem solved

[@dustinrue]

I read the correction/clarification section and I am now having a wonderful day, ty

[@anthonymerchant2597]

I was hoping you would be doing a new video soon, you're one of my personally favorite creators. I have always been interested in 3D technology myself. I'm currently watching this video on a 3D TV that I have had for years. My 4K projector also does 3D. I have the Jaws 3D on DVD but with the cheap glasses. 3D Blu-rays still have a market too, I know I have several of them.

[@AtheistOrphan]

He posts a new video every Saturday.

[@anthonymerchant2597]

@AtheistOrphan I know I have been watching this channel for several years. This platform is going down the commode fast, though. Even my replies to you keep getting deleted right now. This happens all the time. This platform hates freedom of speech.

[@blobscott]

I was a projectionist in an Art House theater that projected an archival 'House of Wax' print in 3D using both Norelco projectors in the booth at once (late 1990s I think). We needed to swap the projector motors (if I recall) to AC synchronous ones that were synced together so that the two machines played at exactly the same frame rate - one for the left eye and one for the right. Also, both prints had to be perfect! One missing frame would throw off the whole thing! Obviously, this approach was unmanageable in the long run - but the effect was INSANE! Sitting in the theater, the 3D image was so perfect and bright. If anyone has ever used a viewmaster as a kid - this was like watching an entire film like an animated version of a well lit viewmaster frame.

[@parentteachernight]

I would love to hear more about your 3D self portrait, the type of camera that shot it, and how you went about having the lenticular print made!

[@Lennuh1]

I visited my friend the other day and he had a casio midi guitar from the 1980s, the moment i saw it i thought of your channel, i think that it would make a very interesting video

[@DieFischbude]

3D Blu-ray is awesome and it's really a shame it died. My current TV has no 3D but my projector does. In my opinion the best 3D experiences are with animated movies and old movies which were shot in 3D instead of being converted. House of wax is a blast and I can't get enough of "Creature from the black Lagoon"

[@GodWeenSatan]

Watching friday the 13th part 3 the way it was meant to be is awesome. Was always wanting someone to release Spacehunter

[@DieFischbude]

@@mycosys How? Are there devices for modern TVs to connect to the glasses? If there are, I've never seen them...

[@DanielGlover]

I got the first dear Panasonic plasma 3d 42 inch TV in 2010. got the Blu-ray player thrown in with some free disks, some anamation. Little music set in a studio. Done with the new Panasonic cameras. Very good that, avatar one of the discs, Bought a few short, 45 minutes or so IMAX things on amazon, Glasses long died I bet, batteries could be changed, Those the 2nd gen glasses. Dear and smaller than the ugly things with a head, kneck cord, coin cell. 2032 thing, not rechargable. Those work as just a con cell. the paid later on rechargable things, long dead I bet, Not uysed for years, It came and went. TV, blu-ray and the dual tuner hard disk and DVD recorder still work. Just no 3d use anymore. At 15:24, That a Panasonic, recongise the look

[@TechIOwn]

Funny I just added a reply, my KDL-46HX750 is awesome, and I came across a bunch of active glasses, just not enough content.

[@kaitlyn__L]

3D conversions always annoyed me. Feels so artificial. Shoot it natively or don't bother!

[@dimensiongamer534]

I've only ever really seen 3d on the 3ds consistently, which I thought was fun, nice to see how early the tech goes back. Great vid.

[@smvwees]

Watching this from my passive 3D pc monitor. Though it is pretty passive and don't use it as much for that, but that's because i'm also very passive.

[@peterlarkin762]

When my passive monitor acts up, I shake my fist at it. Never hit it though. I'm a passivefist.

[@unclesporkums]

Thanks! I loved your previous video which featured this and I'm glad you're going back to it!

[@RevRaptor898]

I love 3D too although I have only watched it using my VR headset. It really locks you into watching the film in a good way :)

[@anthonymoloney3671]

Good point. I was checking to see if anyone had suggested watching 3D movies in VR if they can't find a suitable 3D TV.

[@eekee6034]

1:19 I love the presentation with the headset on; it's straight out of 80s sci-fi! :D

[@hikariyouk]

I think the only 3D movie I enjoyed during the latest 3D fad was "Dredd 3D" (which I have on Blu-ray). Anything else I watched mostly felt like they were trying too hard. The 3D set pieces in Dredd just seemed to work. One of these days I need to figure out how to use my Oculus Rift to watch 3D films...

[@mgabrysSF]

Tron Legacy was a hoot - although - because the film was 'dark' to being with - having half the light missing with polarized lenses made it REALLY dark. Although the colors sure stood out. One thing I'm interested in with the new Apple Goggles, they're essentially a self contained 3D camera and sound rig (3d sound too). THAT for 3500 is a bargain if you want to shoot immersive video streams for other goggle users (of any VR type). *I could take the money going to theme parks to hit 'every' rollercoaster nationwide as a tax write off from gas, to equipment to the park fees. A man can dream anyway.

[@my3dviews]

Dredd 3d was actually shot in 3d, rather than converted like most other movies now. Avatar 2 is a rare exception to that. Some of the early conversions were unwatchable, but the later ones were pretty good. Guardians of the Galaxy looks really good in 3d, despite being a conversion.

[@Fay7666]

I managed to catch The Hobbit 1 in HFR on the single screen on my big city that was showing it, but when I wanted to take some visiting family to it there was only an HFR 3D showing available. Surprisingly it was _very_ good, it felt like it was compensating properly for the loss of frames / detail, pretty sure it's the best 3D showing in a purely technical sense even counting Dolby Vision and such. (Movie, eh everyone has their opinions. 1st one felt like it accomplished what it had to well, it was the 2nd/3rd ones that stalled _hard_ for everything.)

[@GeoffCollinsTravelsfortheHoff]

You should watch The Walk 3D. I challenge anyone not to feel a bit of vertigo. Any 3d movie needs a screen 100 inches minimum. That's why 3d tv bombed. It rocks on projectors.

[@megajatt123]

@@Fay7666 hfr 3d is a thing? New fetish unlocked!

[@bokuboke482]

I am a megafan of 3D media. I have an HD-9500, Victor's scope and a tiny assortment of 3D VHDs. This dedicated 3D video entertained me from start to finish! "Jaws 3D"... ugh. You can now watch 3D blurays in many VR headsets, incl PSVR2. Please try that, and if you've time report the experience to ALL of us. Our family owns several 3DS handhelds, precisely because of the superb glasses-free stereoscopic 3D games!!! Cheers, Techmoan.

[@StubbyPhillips]

Totally stupid that the PS5/VR2 doesn't support 3d Blu-rays! The "3D is a gimmick" people are seriously annoying. Do they even realize that 3D is how we see the world all day long? (I think some of them actually _don't_ realize it. Their perception of the world is too "bandwidth limited" for them to notice.) So why does doing the same thing on a screen or monitor somehow become a "gimmick?" Sure, _bad 3D_ is crap, but good 3D is *FREAKING AMAZING!*

[@BenHeckHacks]

It appears the 2 images are being interlaced across the 2 fields, which would effectively halve the resolution and produce a framerate of 30Hz (assuming this is running at full NTSC 480 lines)

[@Wagoo]

I really don't get why 3D has disappeared (again), as modern TV panels could easily support it as a feature still. I'm just glad my 2012 Panasonic plasma is still working flawlessy for that

[@medes5597]

The Korean guy who was in charge of LGs 3D said basically no one used it. They got more complaints for discontinuing fax machines than 3D in tvs. It was so unwanted by consumers that LG discovered that advertising 3D as a feature for a TV resulted in 20-40% *lower* sales for that model. It seems like home users just have zero interest in 3D. To the point of apparently avoiding it.

[@chrispybee]

I’ve got a 3D Panasonic TV and it’s absolutely brilliant. Same as you, I love the concept of 3D and watching various film is 3D only enhances the experience.

[@markmarkofkane8167]

Now. Imagine a 3 d system built into regular eyeglasses that is activated when you watch a 3d movie.

[@JoeOrber]

Fantastic video about fascinating technology; thank you and keep up the great work! On the funny side, the “save the clock tower” lady jumpy frozen scene had me laughing out loud hahaha 😂

[@didierdubos]

I still have my 3D LCD TV (passive) and still enjoy watching 3D movies as it is even more immersive. Too sad it has disappeared..

[@ms_enj]

Finally! Techmoan releases a video about something I already have! 🤣

[@martinevans5802]

I recall a season of 1950's black and white 3D films presented in a theatre in Leicester in the late 1970s - culminating in an unforgettable 3D showing of 'The Creature from the Black Lagoon' with some hilarious 3D specific shots. Watching Avatar in 3D, 60 years on from these originals, I was struck that we had barely moved on technically, except for the addition of colour, which I know learn realised 30 years prior… plus ca change, as they say!

[@TheWuFinancial]

His videos are always A+ quality.

[@KarldorisLambley]

thanks again Matt, another fascinating video

[@frankowalker4662]

My first introduction to 3D, (I suspect a lot of other people as well), was the View-Master. I loved that thing.

[@Squibbleses]

I remember having a Sega Mastersystem that came with 3d glasses and a built in game where you had to use a light gun to shoot down ICBM's. The glasses were active shutter glasses like in this video, where you plug them in to the system via the card slot. Interesting tech but I do remember it being rather flickery and headache inducing

[@CattoRayTube]

Have been listening to Daft Punk today and that visor really fits the mood.

[@thesteelrodent1796]

For me, the most impressive thing about the whole 3D movie thing, is that it seems to keep coming back despite never working out. That 3D resurgence around 15 years ago was probably the worst time to bring it back yet again, and it's no wonder it didn't take off at all. It was all the rage at E3 where they had 3D this and that everywhere, but Blu-ray had only just started to make its way into people's homes and the players were still very expensive, and then comes along another tech that requires a new TV and a new player, and everyone needed to have the glasses if you wanted to share the experience with others, and that all combined really didn't make the whole thing attractive for anyone but enthusiasts. It's no wonder that it only took a year or two before they gave up on the 3D, and then you could pick up a 3D TV for almost no money because they couldn't get rid of them. I know a few people who bought 3D TVs dirt cheap on a clearout sale and didn't even know it was a 3D capable TV, and have never tried to watch anything in 3D on the darn thing because they don't care about it and don't have all the other required bits to attempt it.

[@AudioThrift]

And this is why I love Techmoan!!

[@geordiebatt]

I know its terrible but i've always wanted to see Jaws 3d in 3d again. I saw it as a child (9) in cinemas and the experience has stayed with me.

[@GnrMilligan]

You haven't changed much over the years. Well, you're still 3D! Thanks again for another interesting video.

[@warriorontheedgeoftime4224]

I remember being give a movie poster as a kid. It was 'The Creature from the Black Lagoon 3D' Keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@evascordato2673]

This person is the only one that I'm aware of that actually bought the Virtual Boy when it came out.

[@McAster99]

I never could get into 3D movies in theatres or at home via PS3 and the like, but I do love how all the lessons from the past in formats such 3D VHD have lead to virtual reality today. It's good fun to watch a IMAX in a virtual theatre without having to leave my comfortable couch.

[@4468]

I’m red green colour blind and it took me an embarrassingly long time to realise on your diagram that the left eye and right eye were shown in different colours 😬 7:52 the onscreen graphic cleared it up 9:24 😄

[@QUADBOYification]

Good show, thanks. It is all about the difference in (interlaced) frames. Even if you have glasses that has a left or right lens tinted a bit darker than the other it will induce 3D effects to your brain. You actually see depth which is impossible of course with plain 2D TV broadcast. Especially with high contrast differences in frames, use of special cameras and wide angle or focus, this will amazingly induce this effect. You start looking at the edges of objects and and the brain simulates the rest around it as if it was in another plain of depth. Really experimented a while with this. It did strain the eyes and you had a 30 minute recuperation after looking through those glasses.

[@petershorrock6128]

Great review love your work true legend never forgot 🥰 amazing talent 💞

[@darktetsuya]

definitely my favorite techmoan videos are these, stuff from the early 80s era around the time of the laserdisc stuff. didn't know they tried 3D discs back then but I suppose 3D dates way the hell back many decades ago so suppose I shouldn't be surprised! maybe someday the tech will get there (perhaps with holograms out of the jetsons or something?) but doesn't look like it was quite there yet.

[@caddelworth]

Mat, thank you for the correction about the alternating fields. I am *always* 'that one person who does' LOL!

[@tomhiggins4969]

Your content is Always amazing 👏 thanks again for your time and insight 👍

[@LexNevilleGames]

Techmoan Saturday morning and it's a Sony gem. Enjoy your content religiously. Salutations from down the road in Stretford.

[@michaelelsy2209]

I love my LG 3D TV with passive glasses I'm dreading when it finally break down as you can't seem to get 3D TV's anymore.

[@martinda7446]

This was a fascinating look at what is the crazy Japanese tech market. I had no idea they had this and I was in the industry at the time...