Japanese Type 4 Garand

[@DARisse-ji1yw]

A Garasaka ?

[@notatruck2640]

Oh my god that's perfect

[@raptorcell6633]

Arisand?

[@Rif_Leman]

Gunny Hartmansaka: Pvt PYLAHAMA, YOU GIVE RIFLE GIRL NAME? Pvt PYLAHAMA: AYE GUNNYSAN, RIFLE NAME SHEENO PING!

[@goldy8318]

Damn it Man get out the comments

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

@@Rif_Leman *golf clap*

[@jon8562]

"Never issued, only a handful actually completed" Soon to be featured in the next call of duty where you find one on every other dead Japanese soldier

[@chuckfinley4292]

Battlefield Bad Company 2 already did it. Before I saw this video I thought they fucked up the Garand in game by mistake and was very angry at the blasphemy

[@ashkash8686]

Gotta put a red dot and a foregrip on it. Possibly a suppressor.

[@bingolos9063]

BF did that...

[@TheDelta016]

Battlefield 1943 beat you to it

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

Or going the WW2 roit and featuring it in the italian front

[@maogenvivi]

watching this made me remember about my grandfather's experience in the coastal defense forces during the last few month of war. He was fifteen at the time and decided to volunteer for the coastal defense unit after his house was destroyed during one of numerous air raids. He told me that when he first joined he thought he was going to get standard issue rifle just like any other IJA units. but he was instead given bamboo stick and two anti tank mines and was told to charge and stab the enemy soldier then blow himself up against enemy tank using the mines. Every time he was drunk he told me that it was at that moment he knew japan lost the war and is glad that he never needed to pay for the stupid decision he made to join the coastal defense unit

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+Z-Key Wow...

[@Menaceblue3]

damn...

[@Suckmyjagon]

that's a hell of a story .especially I guess he or you live in USA now .

[@ThePussukka]

+Brandon Blount What makes you think that? Being proficient at a language, especially English, doesn't mean you have to live in a country where they speak that language.

[@a.lampman2165]

+Z-Key That's pretty sad on a lot of levels. Glad he made it through alright.

[@Ratrazor]

That rear sight gives a whole new meaning to pin point accuracy.

[@tallen4520]

The ladder sight base pin wore out in the hole, and the ladder moved left and right. The sight itself was prone to many bad knocks if the rifle wasn't stacked carefully. The Garand base mounted rear peep sight is far superior.

[@farengarsecret-fire9597]

Definitely a fine sight. The type 99 arisaka has an extremely fine sight, as well

[@estrogenizedbird9161]

@@farengarsecret-fire9597 well yeah they got those tiny eyes!

[@cheyenewedeking791]

who thought that would be a good idea?

[@Darjeeling_DTT]

@@estrogenizedbird9161 damn that's so racist man, I am Japanese but my eye sight were good.

[@iwaya2010]

Once, Arashiyama museum in Kyoto, Japan, had a type 4 rifle. However, the museum was shut down in 1991. So, no one knows where the rifle is gone. But, I heard an unconfirmed rumor that a retired JSDF personnel has the rifle now.

[@iwaya2010]

+shadowrundas I heard the type 4 rifle that the museum had is a deactivated one, never fire. And the rifle was lost a bolt, not a perfect condition. So, I think that is just like a big paper weight.

[@LoveFishing96]

Nice info cause most of these gun are rare.

[@toastedt140]

@Morahman7vnNo2 knowing the Japanese government it was probably for the best. In all likelihood it may have ended up being destroyed

[@red_d849]

700th like, thanks for the interesting read!

[@iwaya2010]

The museum was closed on December 7, 1991 due to the death of the owner and the fact that the site building fell under Kyoto City's rezoning. (From wikipedia)

[@banokles]

Fascinating that the Japanese used joinery on their rifle stocks, clearly influenced by the carpentry in their architecture. They certainly know their woodwork...

[@chuckfinley4292]

And their woodwork burned wonderfully in Tokyo

[@angelsc7588]

@@chuckfinley4292 Have some respect for the Wood, i heard it impaled some G.Is in Vietnam.

[@Intelwinsbigly]

@@angelsc7588 and that is exactly why we used napalm.

[@angelsc7588]

@@Intelwinsbigly Damn, you guys sure love fire well enough; You even set a whole state afire.

[@Intelwinsbigly]

@@angelsc7588 Best way to ruin communists days, be it cali or Vietnam :)

[@archangel20031]

I'd bet the pin hole rear sight was just a locating hole that never got drilled out to the final diameter. I'm sure it was rushed through and someone thought they would get back to that step and it never happened.

[@Sniper5875]

im 5 years late but thats a really good point, makes a lot of sense actually

[@mtjakubec]

"Mom, can we have an M1 Garand?" "No, we have the M1 Garand at home" M1 Garand at home:

[@Gameprojordan]

i wouldn't mind, 65k$ is alot of money

[@romanbuinyi]

Its looks like M1 Garand at home is even better-it has 10 bullets after all.

[@roboticrebel4092]

@@romanbuinyi i think i may prefer an n-block

[@sololobos6969]

@@roboticrebel4092 *En-bloc

[@roboticrebel4092]

@@sololobos6969 thanks, grammar nazi

[@jeffreywacker3598]

If you ever played Battlefield 1942 back in 2003 this was the rifle they gave the Japanese to "balance out" the combat on all the pacific maps vs the US's M1 Garand. I remember being 14 and reading about these way back then. Thanks for sharing!

[@reynaldoflores4522]

9:28 If there is no Chrysanthemum Crest stamped on that rifle, I doubt if any serious gun collector would be interested in it.

[@SharpForceTrauma]

​​​​@@reynaldoflores4522 ...What? It's a rare prototype out of only a couple hundred functional ones. Military stamps dont matter when it comes to rarities like this. If you find one that somehow has a mark, then sure, it'll be even more valuable because these literally never made it past the proving ground before the war ended. Or it'll be worth nothing because such a mark on these guns would be a *fake*, due to the aforementioned fact. That's like saying one of Kalashnikov's first prototype AKs wouldn't be worth much just because it doesn't have a Soviet proof mark lmao.

[@johnprice6277]

And in Battlefield 1943 have this Type 4 Garand copy

[@pempotfoy6206]

Played that game just for the japs, but the game is a mess, one of the worst battlefields

[@jacplac97]

American Garand could ping. Japanese could not. Guess who won the war?

[@danzel1157]

So that's why they lost the war.

[@aaa00705]

Soviet won

[@aaa00705]

Mr Mason LOL LOL LOL

[@LordVader1094]

@@aaa00705 Nice meme.

[@jackandersen1262]

Lee T. Walker that and the Emperor basically telling the army that mass suicide or fighting all the way to Tokyo were both pointless exercises in futility.

[@AAAF556]

My day is never complete without a Forgotten Weapons video! I binge watched every vid on your channel during recovery from my recent total hip replacement surgery. It really helped me keep my mind off of the misery. Thanks a million Ian!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+The Black Smegma Glad to help - hope you recover quickly!

[@Lockbar]

Had to pass one of these up at a big gun show back around 1987. I knew what it was, but was un-employed at the time. Price: $700. Now worth $15K - $20K. Maybe more. Sniff Sniff.

[@cgmason7568]

Sold for $63K

[@DivineDawn]

@Mike Raffphone Just lazyness :P

[@mr.randomperson9900]

@Mike Raffphone lol

[@Slim_Pilzi]

A garand that does not go *ping* after ejecting the clip is not a real garand

[@AHappyCub]

Yes

[@joshuamcdonald7154]

Your dam right

[@kabob0077]

Möögöntsör This... This Blasphemy should have been destroyed!

[@logancurl9526]

@@kabob0077 I have to disagree with your comment of "that should have been destroyed". I feel quite the contrary, honestly. There's many reasons that I (as well as many others, including the original owner) feel that these kinds of rifles should be kept and preserved. For nothing else, at least it is a real-life historical document that shows what part of the Axis powers were interested in developing/copying in terms of individual small-arms. Evidently others agree with me, seeing how this particular rifle sold at auction for $63,250 USD. That is a substantial ways away from "that thing should have been destroyed"

[@beargrilling9785]

That’s the real suppressor

[@Drownedinblood]

I'm surprised they didn't just slap slightly modified type 99 sights onto it. Certainly better than that literal pinhole and giant wedge. Thank you for the video though, I've been curious about this rifle ever since I saw it in Battlefield since I thought it was just a way for the developers to be lazy and reskin a Garand rather than it actually existing.

[@EnSayne987]

Yeah I also got the impression that it was just a Garand made to look Japanese. Then again, the one from 1943 had a strange octogonal rear sight similar to the M1 rather than the tangent, even though the irons weren't even used in that game, so I guess the models never were entirely on point.

[@mrnobody9193]

Did the type 99 use the leaf sight similar to the type 38? I have a type 38 carbine picked up from pelilou. It's not in good condition buts it's a hefty beast with the intact imperial seal. It's at least as heavy as a Mosin Nagant. 91/30 that I own.

[@BringerOfD]

I want to think the rear sight on this example might not have been properly completed. I really doubt the guys building these things knew absolutely nothing about guns. Maybe the tiny pinhole is a pilot hole, and the sight was never actually fully drilled out to it's intended size.

[@MA-wq2ih]

@@BringerOfD My thought too. The Japanese were no slouches about sights...I recall one reviewer of the otherwise-unimpressive Type 14 Nambu was very impressed with the easy-to-acquire-position trapezoidal notch of the rear sight. And the type 99 Arisaka's rear ladder sight and battle sight are both well-defined apertures.

[@JoeTheVenezuelan]

"These were never issues" Battlefield 1943 thinks otherwise

[@Navy735]

Same in Bad Company 2

[@Mutant1988]

+GTS Revolution Also featured in Bad Company 2. Most likely a re-used asset between the two games.

[@steve1978ger]

+GTS Revolution - get a life?

[@Mutant1988]

steve1978ger Says the guy that seems to be upset about harmless trivia that's easily ignored. A lot of video games have a lot of illogical implementations of various fire arms. It's just amusing to see those mistakes and trying to comprehend what the developers might have been thinking. Head over to IMFDB and you'll find lots of examples of articles mocking the nonsense put into games.

[@steve1978ger]

I am not upset :D

[@davthomas223]

This explains the first mission in bad company 2. I always was so confused when I picked up what I thought was an M1 Garand in the middle of japan

[@coitusergosum2447]

08:05 "Meep"

[@Eulicidcfinder1]

hehehe... that went past me the first time

[@MadCatmkII]

+Rule Britannia Do you think RIA has a problem with rats? ;)

[@farmerboy916]

Read it as I heard it. Made me chuckle

[@codyyoung1990]

+Rule Britannia IAN THE PROFESSIONAL MEEPER..... and gun handler.......

[@wikieditspam]

+Rule Britannia 9:30 Ian dragging the rifle on the table vaguely sounds like some sort electric robotics or conveyor belt motor turning.

[@DarkhalfBreed]

It was probably called the "type 5" rifle because "4" is an unlucky number in japan so no one would like to use a gun that would have an unlucku number in it' name.

[@yangcheng-jyun8542]

But there're type 4 medium tank, type 4 heavy bomber, and the most famous type 4 fighter "Hayate".They're all belong to IJA though.

[@heretical_cuttlefish]

I thought that was China? Is it both?

[@Riceball01]

@@heretical_cuttlefish Both because in both languages the number 4 sounds very similar to the word death. However, in Japanese they commonly a second pronunciation for 4, yon (pronounced yoan or yone, rhymes with Joan) which avoids the whole sounds like death thing.

[@tdpro3607]

Yeah gonna dodge the S word huh

[@CrniWuk]

@@yangcheng-jyun8542 Why do you think Japan lost? To many 4 ... to many!

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

It's interesting that they decided to completely reverse-engineer the rifles instead of reverse-engineering the 30-06 cartridge so they could use captured guns, and reproduce the Garand much more easily. It seems like the cartridge would be a much easier thing to reverse engineer than an entire rifle, especially considering how much they would need to modify to make the Garand work in a different caliber, rather than just copying the existing design.

[@saladiniv7968]

if they would have reverse-engineered the 30-06, they would have added a new cartridge to the supply system. units equipped with captured m1's would still have needed 7.7 for their machineguns. plus you can always rely on some in logistics fucking up and sending the 30-06 to a unit with arisakas while the unit with the m1's gets the 7.7.

[@Ding55]

The M1 Garands were issued to the Philippine Scouts during WWII and used in the defense of Bataan, probably some were those mentioned as captured early in the war.

[@Mrgunsngear]

excellent video as always

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Да.

[@appleater787]

Ba

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

Sounds like the Japanese improved in one grand I always thought of m1 garand had a proper magazine it'd be better they make a new version of the m1 garands you can buy

[@FirstNameLastName-qx8ii]

@@thehillbillygamer2183 what

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@thehillbillygamer2183 That would slow the effective rate of fire.

[@nervigeskind3131]

It’s kinda cool how this is featured in Battlefield Bad Company's first mission, which is a specialty ops WW2 mission

[@johnprice6277]

That was taken from Battlefield 1943

[@nervigeskind3131]

@@johnprice6277 yeah, i know. Still cool

[@carriertaiyo2694]

I have been interested in these rifles for years! Thank you for finally letting me see one! :)

[@CyLonFPV]

In a earlier episode you mentioned that the Japanese Navy had warehouses full of type 99's so it seems like kind of a waste to pursue this project so late in the war.

[@CRAM079]

they didnt know that the war was going to end so soon. Hindsight is great, but only after events have happened.

[@alexm566]

by that logic the Germans would have all stopped fighting in January because they all would have known the war was gonna end in May

[@andymckane7271]

I had no idea Japan produced, late in the war, their own copy of the U.S. M1 Garand. You are the first person I've ever heard say this, nor have I ever seen it before in writing. And I've long been a WWII Pacific war history buff. At seventy-three, the old saying applies with the three videos of yours I've seen tonight: We learn something new every day! Thank you very much!

[@achillebelanger9546]

My Father was in the U. S. Navy’s Technical Weapons Investigation Bureau. He was one of the First American Servicemen to set foot in Atsugi and Yokohama. He held one of 14 complete ones the U.S. ARMY had found. The steel was terribly soft on these and lacked proper heat treatment. Every Example he examined was slightly to radically different from the rest. All were crude and mostly had finished and assembled. They weren’t “ painted” by the way. The Japanese were trying to copy Our Parkerization Formula and couldn’t get the Zinc mix quite right. The Chinese Nationists had a Garand Copy too that was better. The Japanese also were making a crude single shot “ Arisaka” copy with a wood block stock and Laminated TIN CAN Reciever. These were BANNED for U. S. Servicemen to Bring Back because of the DANGER. They blew up within one to three shots killing or maiming the shooter. I have some of the other Last Ditch Varients in my Collection. Father brought back quite a bit, had the Japanese Garand in his hand… and didn’t want it. They all bent the Op Rods and chewed themselves to pieces.

[@andymckane7271]

@@achillebelanger9546 Thank you very much for your reply and the information your reply contained. Am very grateful for what you wrote. Thank you very much!

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

I love how the Imperial Japanese Navy had their own army and the Imperial Japanese Army had their own navy. If nothing else, their sheer dedication to not collaborate with each other unless it's an express imperial order is something to behold.

[@WaltzerCerealMuncher]

The Japanese are known to be dedicated people, including in their sheer hatred towards something.

[@Kalashnikov413]

And one interesting fact was that they don't have their own independent air force branch, it'll be either Army Air Service, or Naval Air Service

[@2kimports]

I can imagine the poor Japanese guy who was told to make a new rifle like the one americans are using to win the war lol .

[@ottobauch2179]

2kimports yeah that’s pretty much being told you are getting fucked up by the Americans and the guns you are using now suck.

[@gabrielhancock4695]

2kimports oof

[@Grimmwoldds]

@@ottobauch2179 It was an IJN project. The IJN never held American military technology in contempt. Where they had overly nationalist sentiment they focused on American determination and willingness to take losses.

[@sawyermounce1927]

@@Grimmwoldds and the whole axis was pretty impressed by Americas heavy use of artillery they were blown away by it in fact

[@jimFcooper]

they really probably thought they could do it better. just like we would assume...alpha mentality

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

This is a really cool rifle with a very interesting history!

[@scootergeorge9576]

If rare means cool, yes it's cool. Obviously not the quality of the Garand.

[@goyangi2014]

it's a bastard of a gun...

[@laynethebreadlord7373]

@@fuckinantipope5511 And the central allies lost the war

[@edmundmason5719]

This channel is fantastic. I like to think I know WW2 but Ian constantly shows me there's so much more. Absolutely love the channel

[@HockeyVictory66]

Been watching your reviews for a long time. Like all of them. I think you deserve a tv show or some broader type of exposure because you have an amazing amount of knowledge. Thanks for all the videos.

[@douglasmacarthur3629]

"Can I copy your homework?" "Yeah. Just change it up a bit so the teacher doesn't notice."

[@aaron6178]

That rear stock is some classic Japanese woodworking. So simple but brilliant.

[@JoshyHendoMan]

Japanese Navy: "Emperor, can I have an M1 Garand?" Emperor: "No, we have M1 Garand at home." M1 Garand at home:

[@darkninjacorporation]

If only someone made reproductions of these, that’d be beautiful

[@cobra29935]

A copy of a copy would be neat

[@TokyoRaider666]

Imagine the damage this could have caused if it was put into the field and a few years before 1944. Great video, thank you.

[@sovereignGER]

Yeah, lots of eye strain for the poor soldiers that would have to wield this gun.

[@OriginalBongoliath]

+sov - 😂

[@goldendash1527]

Jacobite Productions None. The real thing beats a knock off.

[@jonathanbaird8109]

Given the Japanese would literally throw entire companies into American MG fire, I'm not sure it would've made that much difference.

[@icu_corey_rn_903]

Not sure this rifle would have stopped 2 nukes tho... 😂

[@Megodrdoom]

Bummer you couldn't disassemble it! Great videos!

[@seethenero2555]

America: (cant put a mag on a M1) Japan: Fine, I'll do it myself.

[@strahinjastevic7480]

Its a fixed mag

[@ceasormayhem101]

Italy: (beats america and japan in the race)

[@seiroudate1415]

Thank you for the great video. In Japan, there is a debate about the ammunition for the Type 4 automatic rifle developed by the Navy. One theory is that it is .303 (7.7mm x 56R), an aircraft ammunition used by the Navy, and the other is that it is 7.7 x 58 mm (Type 99 regular cartridge) used by the Army. It's interesting because it's natural for the Navy to want to use ammunition that is in circulation. It is unfortunate that the Army and Navy could not share the same ammunition. 素晴らしいビデオをありがとう。日本ではこの海軍が開発した四式自動小銃の弾薬について議論があります。海軍が使用していた航空機用弾薬の.303（7.7mm×56R）である説と陸軍の7.7×58 mm（九九式普通実包）である説です。海軍で流通している弾薬を使用したいと考えるのは自然なことですので興味深いです。陸軍と海軍で使用弾薬の共有化が実現できなかったことは残念です。

[@asteroidrules]

If any of these surviving guns are in the condition for it I'd love to actually see one get fired some day, get the feeling they won't be all that accurate with that sight picture though. Probably not worth risking such a valuable piece anyway but it'd certainly be an interesting sight.

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

A little late to the party but I see what you did there.

[@makky6239]

@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 lmao

[@sidremus]

how can we know whether it's really a Japanese rifle if it doesn't even have anti-aircraft rear sights...

[@sergeantbigmac]

The Japanese Garand is something ive wanted to see from the venerable ForgottenWeapons for a long time. Thanks Ian! Fascinating piece of history, especially for me because my interest in history and guns goes hand in hand. The obvious Japanese flourishes are interesting and reinforces how solid the American M1 was. And not enough is spoken about the true *benefits* of the en-bloc/Mannlicher clip... If you cant do a magazine its the next best thing imo. If I had the money this is the first thing id buy. But thats the catch isnt it? ;)

[@hornmonk3zit]

This is the video I've been waiting all this time for! The Japanese Garand is my favorite gun from WW2.

[@knarrlyboy7821]

I have a type 99 that is chambered in 30-06. My grandfather was the souvenir officer in Okinawa and brought it back. He said one of the Japanese pow's said they had planned on raiding the US armory when they invaded so they would not have to worry about ammo. After we took Okinawa my grandfather said they found this stash of guns that were crated up for transport and had never been issued. I've had multiple gun smith's verify that it is indeed chambered in 30-06.

[@undauntedthud692]

I happen to be lucky enough to own both a M1 Garand and Arisaka 7.7 and it was a fun for me to get them side by side and compare them with this video. Thanks

[@cervezadog6957]

I would have loved to show this video to my dad. He carried an M1 when he joined the marines in 1953, and then carried the M1D in Vietnam. I'd bet that he'd never knew that these existed. But if he did know about them, I wouldn't be surprised because of his history with foreign weapons.

[@XLesky]

Great video, never thought I would see one in detail! There's a reason you got my Patreon support this week!

[@alexfogg236]

a truly amazing and rare piece of history.

[@MwRYum]

I've been hearing about this model of rifle for years but this is the first time to come across a video that described it in such details, Thank You.

[@RandomActivities]

That's a really fascinating piece of history. I'm sure that if they had begun work on this gun, or another like it, earlier, we would have high-quality examples to buy from antique weapon dealers. Now, it is a fascinating and obscure piece of history, that will probably only survive in museums. Japanese weapons are kind of fascinating. Their aircraft were very advanced in WWII, and in many respects, superior to American aircraft. The quality of their battle rifles was very good, but I have always felt like they lacked the technical advancement that was achieved by the Germans or by Allied forces. While much attention is given to the aircraft and ships, a lot of people forget about the weapons used in ground battles. The Japanese fought very fiercely, especially when it became clear they were defending their home. Just imagine if they had issued a fully-developed version of this gun to their Marines in 1943, or even something like the STG-44!

[@grun73r]

Fun fact: it's pronounced yokohska, not yoko-suka. There's an American naval base there as well as a JMSDF one.

[@Romanov117]

Meanwhile in WW2 Japan: I need a new rifle, hey America, may I borrow your homework? America: Sure, but make sure don't bastardize it.

[@newman793]

White343 The M1 was designed by a Canadian

[@Igyzone]

@@newman793 So? He worked for the US and it was manufactured there.

[@Predator20357]

Igyzone He was Canadian-American so you are correct about it being American

[@jakublulek3261]

They could get Gewehr G43 from Germany and rechamber it. Much easier than doing this with Garand without documentation and technical help. G43 is even cheaper to make!

[@danksinatra9146]

@@jakublulek3261 and is an over gassed pos

[@NYUJEW]

This is one of the wildest things I've seen on your channel, really really cool.

[@wonderoushistoryofclassicf9193]

battlefield 1943 is what i remember this from

[@Explosivesole1776]

Games and Guns no the start of bad company 2

[@heinrichberthold7839]

It was in Battlefield 1942 first. It was the main of of the Japanese engineer class.

[@RC-fu6hg]

That’s quite the historical piece of art And the story you told behind it was fascinating. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. 👍

[@PositionLight]

That was hands down the best standard infantry rifle in Battlefield 1942

[@SlyPearTree]

Great video, I love when there is history to be learned. I'm glad I watched the video where you introduce the background because even so I got so distracted by it that I had to restart the video several time.

[@Corristo89]

The Japanese Army was ultimately let down by decreasing arms quality, coupled with poor supply and a catastrophic number of different designs and variants. Type 38s, Type 99s, rimmed, rimless and semi-rimmed rounds, etc. Many of their weapons had unique features, which were often useless in combat, like anti-aircraft sights, dust covers, bayonet mounts on machine guns and so on. They spent too much time diddling around with prototypes when they couldn't really afford to do so. They also failed to understand the advantages of SMGs in close-quarters combat, like in jungles. They did produce the Type 100 SMG, which never saw wide use.

[@inouelenhatduy]

well we did removed the useless features in the war like the anti aircraft sight ( which made in mind of shoting bi plane that the Chinese used ) the weapon become less quality over the time dual to bombing of factory + low on everything dual to American sub / plane destroy every thing train/ship vv even befor that japan still lacking of steel and other thing compare to german or American or british we cant mass made thing even the American know that in they oss report

[@MA-wq2ih]

Their lack of a unified command (with the Army and Navy being de facto rivals, instead of allies in a common cause), with non-matching specifications and plans, did much harm.

[@bain6655]

Dust cover isn't useless at all.

[@scottland8698]

I don’t know why, and I don’t care but the idea of a heavy machine gun with a bayonet on it makes me grin to no end

[@IceWolfLoki]

To use a bayonet mount on a mg is useless in combat but not to the Japanese military of the time.

[@johngaither9263]

The March 2021 issue of the American Rifleman magazine did an article on the M-4 Japanese rifle, its development and testing. One issue they covered was the Japanese copied the M-1 gas system as it was regulated to the 30-06 cartridge. The 7.7x58 Japanese round did not have that much power and was insufficiently gassed to function the action reliably.

[@Anmatgreen]

Okay, this is purely my theory and is most likely completely wrong. I'm thinking that the aperture sight was intended to be manufactured in two steps by first drilling a smaller hole, and then using that as a guide for a larger drill bit to make the actual aperture, and they just haven't got around to that second step because of the war situation.

[@Old299dfk]

Would love to see a take on the Japanese Type Ko, which was their copy of a pedersen rifle from '33. However, considering only 24 were ever build. Getting one would be a very very rare occasion indeed.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

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[@pogmarinefps]

looks like it would be a solid rifle. Other than that small peep sight.

[@sylokthedefiled3047]

Reminds me of the intro to Battlefield: Bad Company 2. When I picked this thing up I felt so terribly confused. At first glance I was like, "Ooo! Captured Garand!" And then I realized it was a Japanese box-sighted bastard child. The disappointment when it didn't ping on empty was real...

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Somehow I knew you'd start with the Japanese Garand Also, in some ways I think the Type 4 looks better than the Garand

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

A survivor This seems the most likely. After all, Japan wasn't really in a position to choose. They _HAD_ to take the cheapest route. Fixed mag using their old clips was the cheapest route

[@davidgreen5099]

Blasphemy.

[@JamesJamesly]

I'm absolutely amazed that Ian found an example of this gun to do a video on

[@douro20]

Yes, the stock is very typical Japanese woodwork. It would had been made with the strongest, tightest-grained wood, which comes from the trunk of the tree. Also, it would had used no screws or nails, as wood fastened with wood is more durable.

[@ryanmaskill3441]

from what I have heard (not saying it's accurate) is that the rear sight aperture "pin hole" is only a representation of that hump and where its center point is; it is drilled through to expedite manufacturing and lessen the chance of machining bits from snapping. So, it's a quick reference hole when adjusting left/right

[@jeffyoung60]

The issue was that the Japanese Army and Navy were not that interested in a semi-auto battle rifle, despite thousands of M1 Garands falling into Japanese hands with the fall of the Philippines. For the Japn High Command, the bolt action Arisaka with its five-round internal magazine was perfectly fine. If you watch the 1998 movie, The Thin Line, which takes place in the Pacific, there's a scene that clearly demonstrates the superiority of the 8-round semi-auto M1 over the tried-and-true bolt action rifle. Japanese soldiers are appearing over the crest of a tall hill and just a few GIs below are dropping each Japn soldier with a pull of the trigger. The 8 round en bloc clip of the M1 was not great but enough rounds to put out a modicum of firepower. Military firearms historians perpetually debate why John Garand insisted on not installing a larger magazine which would have held a better 10 rounds clip. One source states U.S. Army requirements dictated a magazine that was flush with the stock. Others claim it was John Garand's desire. Either way, the fine M1 Garand started its operational career with an obsolescent magazine and clip feeding system that was only elsewhere used by the Italian Army in one of their main battle rifles dating back to WW1. The Japanese Type 4 or 5? shows what the M1 Garand would have looked like had John Garand installed a ten-round capacity magazine. It would not have detracted that much from the usual Garand's fine outline and would have given American GIs a ten round shot capacity versus only eight.

[@humansvd3269]

Knowing the government, it was likely the attitude of making sure soldiers didn't waste their rounds. Not using the BAR in WW1, tommy gun, and the Springfield round interruptor in ww1 are big indicators of why the 8 round thing was used.

[@danmurray5246]

I actually got to hold one of these rifles when my Dad was the showroom manager at Sarco....very interesting and rare rifle

[@russellcampbell9641]

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery! Very interesting video about a weapon I did not know existed.

[@michaeldelucci4473]

I am have always thought why Gerand himself never used the Springfield 1903 5 round stripper clips for the M-1

[@paladin0654]

Great piece. FYI Youkoska is pronounced yoh-KOOS-ka.

[@MomanLato90]

America: my first own semi-automatic rifle i'll call m1 garand Japan empire: this is my first own semi-automatic rifle than you!!! Me: ( died at brain damage and stroke )

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

This rifle was featured in Battlefield 1942, and again in Battlefield Vietnam's WW2 free expansion. The only games where I have seen it.

[@claus2427]

Also BF1943

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

claus2427 Was that the mod?

[@claus2427]

Nope, it was a small game between BFBC1 and BFBC 2 as far as I remember :) It had three or four maps, for PS3 only if I remember right.

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

claus2427 Oh ok. Released 2009. Never played it. There are a lot of games that I have never played.

[@claus2427]

Blaine Bugaski Same here.

[@burnoutteamclubbtcp7283]

the video games never made the type 5 be reloaded with the mentioned stripper clips because in battlefield 1942, it had a detachable magazine and in call of duty ww2, battlefield 1943 and battlefield bad company 2, it used en bloc clips like an M1 Garand

[@qualitylawncare819]

"Mom can I have a Garand?" "No. We have a Garand at home." The Garand at home:

[@hannibalkills1214]

Why all the Battlefield players here say 1943 while all I could first thought of was 1942... T_T

[@LordDarthHarry]

1943 was a console exclusive made just before Bad Company 2.

[@hannibalkills1214]

LordDarthHarry But BF1942 also featured this rifle.

[@andre5032]

Nope, Battlefield 1943 was a popular Console exclusive game. They say it because the main riflemen gun for the Japanese team was an M1 garand that looked similar to an arisaka.

[@acefreak9561]

Sorry to say i thought of bad company 2 first

[@MichalSoukup1995]

The IJN was more interested in boosting firepower of their individual troopers because they could not feild them in nearly as substantial numbers.

[@firestorm165]

Plus in a practical standpoint giving your special forces (E.g. marines) priority over the regular troops makes a lot of sense

[@cletusburgerboy9143]

The aperture was there temporarily before they made it larger. This rifle was a prototype, and were still experimenting and finishing them up. There is still the possibility that the creator of that aperture did fire a rifle.

[@oceanhome2023]

The don’t make the “Ping” sound , the sound this one made was “Crwing “

[@jasonedington3154]

I was stationed at yokosuka that cool to know.

[@RaDeus87]

I bet your dad would have loved to have one of these in his collection :)

[@mikedertouzos908]

I never even knew these existed... amazing. It's a M1 mixed with a standard type

[@maxout214226]

Amazing that the Japanese made a M14 over a decade before the US /s

[@geodes4762]

Not really. The gas system is totally different and the bolt has no roller. In addition, the M14 could fire both semi and fully automatic. This Garand “copy” could not.

[@pazzettossaurorex2974]

M1-Garand: Who are you? Type 4: I'm you... but Japanese.

[@PositionLight]

Wait, once you loaded one stripper clip wouldn't the bolt slam shut?

[@cosmonaut379]

oowwwww

[@filippoorologio6777]

Damn, too bad they didn't reverse engineer the clip.

[@dndboy13]

the secret secret backup plan to win WWII: Give the Japanese Garand thumb and by god will they surrender then

[@AbhishekSingh-pp1ks]

sonofthem2 That's a lie. The bolt will slam forward when you touch it. That's why Garand Thumb is fake. Garand thumb will happen while cleaning the rifle, not if you load it.

[@PositionLight]

It actually depends. Sometimes it catches and needs an assist, most times it just slams forward when one removed pressure from the charging handle.

[@niktheson1113]

Okay, here’s how I imagine this would be reloaded: - The Bolt locks back on the last shot. - Using their right hand, the soldier holds the bolt release back so it doesn’t fly forward. - Using their left hand, the soldier inserts two stripper clips. - Once properly loaded, the soldier lets go of the bolt release, with the rifle ready to fire. TBH, this would be a nightmare in a firefight, imagine if you lost your grip and the bolt slammed shut on a partially loaded stripper clip. No thanks.

[@nickerickson7902]

4:17 i don't see neko ears or bright colored paint...oh wait, old japanese ie over complex and brittle :I

[@carl7810]

Japan: Hey, can I copy your homework? America: No. Japan: how bout i do anyway?

[@eltadashi1]

This rear sight hole is not useless, it is just made for japanese eyes only. :P

[@emorynguyen1583]

haha

[@robotbjorn4952]

Wakka wakka

[@NishiMiyamura]

We all have the same eyes

[@highjumpstudios2384]

Amazing. One of the few things that you can say is a definitive Japanese copy of a western gun. And even then it's got distinctly Japanese flare, and was done when there was absolutely no chance of changing the outcome of the war.

[@RedXlV]

I wonder if any of these that got brought home by American soldiers ended up being sent to a gunsmith and having that rear sight altered to actually be usable. After all, back then they probably didn't know doing something like that would reduce the value decades later.

[@sergeantbigmac]

+RedXlV Exactly, different time. There were hundreds of thousands of milsurp world war rifles imported. They were the perfect gun to sporterize. Who knows, in 50 years maybe that common gun you always see at the gun store will have collector value.

[@dave-in-nj9393]

nice to see this bit of history

[@BattleDamageAssessment0311]

Thanks Ian for the great video! Did these weapons equip any japanese SNLF troops at Okinawa? Or Iwo Jima?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

+Jacob Mcdonald As far as I know, none of these were used in combat.

[@Speedy_pig123]

Probably not, I wonder if they would be used by the 101st Kure/Sasebo SNLFs though…

[@russjohnson5317]

Just found one in a local historical museum, never knew it was made.

[@EcclecticNerd]

Instead of M1 thumb wouldn't this give you, more specifically, Type 4 thumb? If only there was a way to rhyme that possibly in Japanese.

[@dayoki8091]

Ecclectic Nerd america- Garand thumb Japan - Yokosuka thumb mayba? Since the gun was made in yokosuka naval port

[@williamk1060]

According to Battlefield 1942 and its sequel 1943, tens of thousands of Type 4s were standard issue for all IJA troops, even as early as December 1941 in the invasion of wake island.

[@strahinjastevic7480]

BF 1942 and 43 are full of flaws like that

[@tynado1173]

I bet that's gonna go for a mint

[@bennythargrave]

fun fact, this gun was actually featured in the video game Battlefield 1943. I could see this gun as have being made the standard rifle for the Japanese military if the US military hadn't made them adopt their equipment during the US occupation of Japan. with some minor tweaks of course

[@marksmank5967]

10:46 The Japanese had bayonet lug for pretty much everything.

[@Darranis_Kuningasverinen]

Banzai gotta Banzai

[@Darranis_Kuningasverinen]

And not quite everything if they put them on vehicles then we could say that

[@_sp1r4L_]

I hope they did a bayonet lug for a bayonet

[@juancamacho766]

tbh i thought these weapons were fake but thanks to you i discovered their real,thanks