Jason Padgett describes why there is no such thing as a perfect circle

[@doomginger8296]

Thanks camera guy for panning away from the screen for important visualization of what he’s trying to fucking describe

[@maksenDK]

As a professional 3D modeler that works with subdivision all day everyday, this just blew my mind.

[@JASONQUANTUM1]

I'm looking for help making a video of some of these ideas. Do you know anyone good in the Indianapolis area?

[@mv848]

Well I guess the camera guy passed out as the _sides_ approached the smoothness of the photons.

[@witchywoman4139]

Agreed....that was sooooo frustrating!!!

[@contactdigestpodcast1530]

I would love to have a conversation with this guy.

[@Spiralsinto]

I just read his book, Struck By Genius. But nothing in that book beats the excellent camera work and the deep focus of his hand on the mouse at the end of this video. LMFAO

[@apechapps]

😂😂😂😂

[@UnrelatedAntonym]

I wonder if he has learned any computer programming, I imagine it would be a fantastic new realm for him to explore and I'd love to see what he may come up with.

[@aek12]

He did, He programmed a program to find his new home.

[@trentonsmith8200]

Zoom in on his hand. Yeah, that's what we wanted to see

[@dreadloresystem]

haha, exactly.

[@E-Kat]

At least there’s no thumping background noise/music!

[@jaredb9523]

Right

[@berndtherrenvolk1951]

I'm not a math guy AT ALL. I'm a bright guy, but not in math. I bonked out after plane and solid geometry and Alegebra II. I never did Trig or Calculus. I'm now 70 years old and have had no math schooling since basic general education requirements in college undergrad work, which really were just rehashes of my highest high school classes. But Jason explains things so well that I think I have some modest concept of what he's talking about. I've always had good pattern recognition. So I may be making a fool of myself with the following: What I think I REALLY learned in this video is that circles (or what we conceive circles to be as perfectly smooth) do not exist IN REALITY. They are purely theoretical constructs that can be represented by mathematics (to a degree) but the physical universe (energy, matter and, I presume, time) exists in a manner that does not harmonize smoothly with some of our maths. Jason sees the universe represented in fractals (which he says is what constitutes reality in the universe), so fractals form polygons of however many sides, and their outermost points fall upon the circumference of a theoretical circle. They are points on the circle but they do not actually complete the circle. I guess because any two points on a circle, no matter how close to one another, can always have an infininte number of points between them. Which is why you can always add more to the circumference by adding fractal-based polygons that contain points that they share with the theoretical circle's circumference, constantly "smoothing" the circle by filling in more points. Which is why pi is an estimation. And why pi, while it is a mathematical constant, is also an (a) irrational and (b) transcendent number which (1) can never be represented in a ratio of two integers and (2) which has post-decimals that reach into infinity without repeating. Infinity because there are always more points between the existing points on a circle and non-repeating because the placement of the constantly added points apparently are random. There is no need for a pattern nor can any impetus for a pattern be identified. So you obviously start with something symetrical as a square or equilateral triangle and draw a theoretical circle that connects all the vertices of the square or triangle. And then keep adding squares or triangles (or both) inside the circle and the new vertices keep building a more complete, smoothed out circle. But I guess you don't even need symetrical polygons inside the circle. The polygons coule be of any shape so long as their vertices fall along the circle.

[@jaredb9523]

This guy needs to talk to someone like Dennis McKenna or do a podcast with someone experienced in fractals and 5meo DMT

[@maksenDK]

And what would Dennis say that would interest Jason other than "You can see fractals on DMT"?. What would be interesting though was to watch a video of Jason trying DMT and explaining his experience.

[@BlueRice]

what if the DMT reverse it taking his ablility to see lines?

[@shashankkothari8066]

That's why pi is irrational. BTW wtf is wrong with the cameraman?

[@Zack-xz1ph]

pi is a theoretical, irrational number. of course it is not going to represent the natural world, and approximations that stop at some arbitrary decimal place aren't going to be accurate. But that's not a fault of limits, limits are theoretically correct, it's only that we can't represent irrational numbers completely accurately

[@silverchairsg]

Makes me think of Platonic forms actually. The perfect Form of the circle only exists in higher reality, and we can never get a perfect circle in this physical reality.

[@ThePhilosophyStoned]

Which disproves his entire theory. A circle is mathematical. He's like saying "geometric planes don't exist because nothing is actually flat."

[@hhhsp951]

this dude could've been the original mathematician back before algebraic language was developed to translate geometric representations into symbolicized/parsable system encoding

[@JayCD1997]

Highly doubt it, he may be smart but the people that wrote our mathematical equations are on another level, I personally believe he has a little bit of the placebo effect going on, I think a light bulb went off in his head about math equations he didn’t understand as a kid as it’s mandatory for a hospital to ask you questions like that after a concussion to make sure your brain still logically is functioning. He’s gotten some attention for it and his new personality is being “smart” so he is going all out with this genius thing, and spends all his free time thinking about math, cause he likes the attention and people viewing him that way. I mean cmon who doesn’t want to be considered a genius he loves his new persona, it’s human nature. People who others perceive as smart have easier lives, and this dude is straight up on the news talking about the most random math equations ever that other people discovered, like he has to prove to everybody that he is a genius now.

[@sricharan3218]

​@@JayCD1997 but don't you think this level of visualisation of concepts in his brain can place him ahead of most people, Like you and I don't see weird shapes when we see things but he does, either he is a genius or a mad man and personally I don't see a lot of difference between those two people

[@JayCD1997]

@@sricharan3218 I never said he wasn’t a “mathematical genius”. Genius is a multi faceted word, humans can only be so smart. I don’t think he’s gonna be solving any ground breaking theories, and I think much of his “genius” stems from the fact that he likes the attention he gets and other people perceiving him that way, most geniuses don’t think they are geniuses and never will know cause they know there is so much to understand, and so little they actually understand. There not walking around seeing patterns and mathmatical formulas in water and the trees lol, sounds like a bad mushroom trip, did he get bit by a radioactive spider like Peter Parker, that’s what someone who thinks they have become a genius would say. When you subconsciously think you are gifted you actually start to believe it, interest and ego are powerful things. I have news for you. You likely met a handful of geniuses in your life and most of the time there just ordinary people or someone you know and perceive as smart, there has only ever been a few who have literally revolutionized our entire thought pattern.

[@WizardSkyth]

Pi tending to infinity explains spirals and implies Wolfram's-like computational theories of nature of "reality"

[@Mike-pj1kv]

This is what I always wanted to know.

[@fordoconnor9923]

Basically explains why matter in space forms into spheres creating the gravitational warping on space time.

[@erwinzer0]

I wonder if personality is product of our intelligence?. He's became a completely different person after the incident

[@kimchifrog]

Ultimately intelligence is the ability to accurately communicate and your personality takes a huge part in how you communicate. I think the personality atays the same but im guessing the gained perspective in math made his priorities change which led to the perceived personality shift.

[@erwinzer0]

​@@kimchifrogability to communicate correctly is only part of intelligence. People who can't speak still possess intelligence. Heck, even animals have it. Maybe intelligence and personality are just different sides of the same coin, which makes me more convinced that there's no such thing as free will.

[@maurop7991]

@@erwinzer0there’s definitely no free will. Even the subject who supposedly chooses and does things is a construct of the mind.

[@naman4067]

Why he never explains his drawing where can I know more about it .

[@patdadysworld]

He has a store that you could buy them at if you are interested I was just there before this video they're pretty cool man shout out Jason Padgett he's the man

[@naman4067]

@@patdadysworld store is just full of paintings he should wright a book .

[@Kammreiter]

He should have a free place in university as a student. Great America doesn’t understand this 😄😂🤣

[@charzy888]

Think he totally lost the cam guy at the end.

[@erwinzer0]

A perfect circle exists in our minds. Think about it-even though there's no perfect circle in the real world, which I find amazing. But it's also intriguing to consider that this guy just lost the ability to experience seeing a perfect circle 😂

[@sarahamaral2931]

The power of God.

[@Kammreiter]

🤔 that man is lacking the money to study math? - 😮 are there no sponsors for him? Incredible.

[@alkintugsal7563]

The language of the universe is numbers.The shape of the universe is the geometry.

[@francischic7854]

Just took calc 2, but isn't pie also a Summation series of fractions? 0:05

[@schfifty5]

My math is rusty but isn’t that another way of saying what he said? As the number of sides approaches infinity, there is a fraction that represents pi for a circle with 180 sides, 720 sides, right?

[@francischic7854]

@@schfifty5 Makes sense, but is the value of pi itself (not the infinite digits value it approaches) then considered a limit for the series or is the series just equal to pi?

[@manuelolaya3194]

@@francischic7854 I agree with you. I think he is being a bit excentric about it trying to discover something new or say something novel. The reality is that what he is saying is exactly the same problem early greeks found when trying to approximate Pi by this same method (increasing the congruent sides of a polygon to resemble a circle). It is not but after the invention of calculus thar we could approach Pi to almost infinitesimal digits without relying on geometric proofs. And even though the number may be a bit bigger when we express it as a rational, to a practical non-theoretical sense it is totally valid

[@enpuli]

What he is saying is that the current way of describing pi is incorrect for our REALITY, as it goes to infinity. If we want to describe exactly in REAL LIFE we need to count the number of photons. Actually it makes a lot of sense what he is saying.

[@Kammreiter]

🤔 so Pi is just that what the circled number of elements gives us?

[@Robinhood1966]

Squaring the circle? Infinity.

[@clientesinformacoes6364]

I see the world in 3d and is very hard to describe mathematically, I have to recap my thoughts every single time I go farther to choose the best possibility, specially in physics when involves more data.

[@mygirldarby]

Maybe you can use your gift to help humanity in some big way. Then you will be known for centuries. Since your gift is physics, maybe there's a way to marry physics and medicine and see cures to disease?

[@clientesinformacoes6364]

@@mygirldarby the solution for cures is understanding quantum physics, how particles communicate to one another, then we gonna be able to print an organ, tissue etc. I have something in mind that is a game changer to prove how gravity and inertia works by change the setup on double slit experiment, but no one give us credibility, most of greatest scientists in History before becomes famous, they thought they were crazy 🤣

[@bennett420316]

Don't we all see on 3d?

[@stonks5297]

@@bennett420316 nah we all see in 2d, you always see 1 dimension down to the dimension you're in, for example if you lived in a 2d world you would see in 1d, if you lived in a 3d world you would see in 2d thats why when i put an object infornt of you , you cant see past it. in short your vision is 2d but your world isn't.

[@CrazyGamer-zy8vh]

it is impossible to find the Exact surface area of any circle

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

Tell that to Plato.

[@vantrium4468]

Of course no irrational limit can be truly represented by a finite set of building blocks. I thought that this was just his example of that, however, his assertion that angles are always off because we measure them based off of the circumference circles in real life threw me for a loop. Any physical representation of a perfect idea will become approximated at the point in time in which it is constructed in the world. If anything, errors in angle would result from approximations in the lengths used to construct a triangle with a specific angle. But I guess you’re not supposed to really think too hard about what he’s saying.

[@TWIST3DBLOOM]

If its 99 cents its a dollar

[@khonbotem6538]

What is he up to these days ?

[@oni8337]

looks like a fraud

[@aztechnology7996]

There's a talk show interview where he said he's learning the stock market to become a financial advisor. (Algorithmic trading fractals) That's actually what I'm searching for, to see how he's doing

[@mygirldarby]

@@oni8337 he's not a fraud. He has been extensively studied by some of the best minds in Neuroscience, physics, etc. He has also done a very interesting Ted talk. Why are people so cynical about something so easily researched and yet they are completely gullible when it comes to someome like that idiot trump lying to them constantly and making fools of them? Very odd. Maybe people like you naturally view the world the wrong way. A con man instantly becomes your hero and an obvious genius with no agenda is just a liar. No wonder the anti-Christ is a prophesied event. I know exactly who will worship him too.

[@DariusMo]

@@mygirldarby a lot of people claim he is some sort of 'maths genius', yet when you look him up you cannot find any papers he published. all there seems to be is maths inspired art, nothing more

[@oni8337]

@@DariusMo exactly

[@delmonte7816]

If there's no such thing as a circle, is there no such thing as an arc too?

[@aek12]

I would have respect for fox, if they focus on facts and real education.

[@JohnSmith-do1pj]

I like turtles. . .

[@roybatty6368]

nah

[@luigicirelli2583]

still, can't figure out earth is flat - einstein gravitational miopia

[@RyanSmith-qh7sr]

Cmon flat earthers, you guys have no solid evidence to prove it😅

[@Olysterz]

So is math a discovery or an invention ?

[@bhumikaaa1925]

Discovery

[@akmi1931]

Neither. It’s a imagined concept

[@Olysterz]

@@akmi1931 An imagined concept is called an invention ...

[@akmi1931]

No. A concept is just a concept. An concept isn’t an invention until it becomes a tangible, practical product. Math is and will always be just a concept.

[@Olysterz]

@@akmi1931 No. Math is used since many years in practical ways. Anyway I'm leaning more towards discovery since there would still be geometry in nature without humans presence.

[@liceous]

Well duh lol

[@E-Kat]

I’m messed up forever now. ☹️

[@johnedward5656]

Anyone can also say "there's no such thing as a perfect square", because perfection does not exist, it is only a relativity. The more I listen to this guy, the more I think he is a fake genius, he can't really do algebra, all he ever talked about is pi and drawing circles on his computer.

[@jaredb9523]

...smh... It's hard to explain things you don't know words for. Pie helps him describe it.

[@ThePhilosophyStoned]

He's not a fake genius. Just not a genius at all. He is starting with an inaccurate assumption and essentially delusionally try to deduce information from a invalid statement. But he really believes that his initial statement is correct due to his brain injury.

[@jasminetorre2384]

There perfect math in geometry and geometry is all nature thing

[@mosescohen-soyer986]

He has no idea what he's talking about

[@ThePhilosophyStoned]

Circles dont have sides. He is not describing a circle. He describing other geometric shapes. A 180 sided polyhedron. He is trying to rationalize from an incorrect hypothesis.

[@JASONQUANTUM1]

In our universe, drawing a perfect circle or representing continuous curves faces limitations because our universe is made up of discrete units. When we look at extremely tiny scales, like the Planck length, our ability to measure precisely is limited by the uncertainty in quantum mechanics. So, when we try to approximate a circle using polygons with edges as small as the Planck length, we reach a point where we can't make measurements more precise due to quantum mechanics' restrictions. This limitation affects various fields, like measuring angles more accurately. My drawing of Pi represents a physical limit where the edges of the polygon are the Planck length. For example, in a 180-sided polygon, each slice approaches 2 degrees due to symmetry, and the angle approaches 60 degrees in π as a mathematical concept, but in reality, we can keep refining our approximations without ever reaching perfection because of the limits of our physical reality. This shows how the discrete nature of our universe interacts with continuous mathematical ideas. The mathematics approaches describing reality but you must put constraints on the equations due to the laws of our universe. Basically applying some rules of physics to the mathematical equations to refine them for use in the real world.

[@Zack-xz1ph]

pi can be approximated by an inscribed or circumscribed polygon with the same radius (center to vertex distance), the more sides of the polygon the closer the perimeter will be equal to the circumference of the circle. Mathematicians have been using this fact to approximate pi for thousands of years, Archimedes most famously (it was a lot harder to calculate this before trigonometry, he went up to 96 sides)

[@kumaylhooda1333]

t

[@naman4067]

First

[@E-Kat]

This program isn’t for children.

[@E-Kat]

I’m messed up forever now.☹️