Ferrari's Misunderstood Masterpiece? The 612 Scaglietti HGTS Driven

In today's video, I drive one of Ferrari's long line of four seaters. A staple product for the firm, and favourite of Enzo, in Britain the four seater Ferraris have a reputation for one thing - depreciation. But, today I drive an example of the 612 Scaglietti, fitted with the HGTS pack and see if it is worth taking a risk
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[@ArmadaAsesino]

I've always liked the 612. I actually think the styling has held up quite well. Interior especially still looks good.

[@CraigMcB68]

The interior is very special indeed.

[@ThisIsMyRodrick]

by far, my favorite Ferrari, its a masterpiece in every way. Underrated and beautiful. Just make sure you replace the wipers 😂.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Interior is spectacular

[@sirmurf]

Looks much, much better in the metal. I mean, MUCH better.

[@ThisIsMyRodrick]

@@sirmurf I think it looks amazing in pics, i can't imagine how i'd feel in person.

[@simonn2045]

I've always thought this looked good but every time I study the detail I could never explain why. Probably one of the last "traditional" Ferraris before they went tech mad and rivalled Nissan's for computing power: the point where it became about 0.1 of a second rather than just driving pleasure

[@markdoyle6414]

Totally agree, I can't be bothered with newer Ferraris, come across as dull. I've never driven any so could be totally wrong.

[@TRASHoftheTITANS]

I like it too. For the purpose it serves, I think the somewhat understated design suits it well. I don't look at it and think: "that's going to be a tear-your-face off torque monster for screaming round a track", but rather: "that looks like a comfortable and grown-up grand tourer". By contrast, I can never tell by looking what purpose modern Ferraris are meant to serve, as they all look like they're modelled after something they found in a meteoroid

[@Punisher9419]

Everyone fights over 0-60 times but in the real world none of these cars will ever get even close to their claimed times. Like Jay says, it's about how fast it feels not how fast it actually is.

[@HeyhitmeBAM]

@@TRASHoftheTITANS the Roma’s looks ain’t bad

[@edwartvonfectonia4362]

This car is like a marble sculpture. Wonderful design from Ferrari.

[@tllt5472]

I love my 612, a later One to One model, and although I have been offered a chance to get the newer 2+2 Ferrari shooting brakes from my dealer, I still enjoy the 612 so much more than those other cars that it stays in my garage. It is a gentleman's Ferrari made for grand trips in proper style, and not a car with ducts and fins and vents that appeals to the bedroom poster automotive crowd. This is not a car where performance metrics matter, although I can assure you it is terrifyingly fast and capable. You can pull up in front of any luxury hotel in the world in one of these and look good, and with only about 3000 in existence, you can have the only one of them in the car park.

[@Will_M600]

@@gregjonerick5922 cringe

[@tektao]

thats a pleasant comment and am sympathetic to a 612. its one of the coolest fezzza's IMHO ...my ultimate gentlemanly stylish cruiser with ooomph is a rapide S, but then the lusso is safer and more capable in all conditions, however, the winner for the daily is an alpina b5 (touring of course!)

[@AntoniusTyas]

612 OTO is gorgeous. The Sessanta edition is also quite a looker... if it wasn't for the split rims.

[@miladragheb5169]

I wish one day I get my gt dream car

[@TheEarlofK]

I was one of those rare people who actually liked the 612 Scsglietti from the off, probably helped by the fact I was able to see one up close and personal on display in the middle of Harrods menswear department, an unusual event in itself.

[@carlrea]

At last. This car has become elegant in its advancing years. A fabulous car.

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

Amen. Sportsy and classy like a first gen DB9. Too bad it wasn't too exclusive around 2005/2010, otherwise it would've gotten today the status she deserves.

[@christophersamuelian5982]

I had tears of olive oil leaking from each eye when I heard that engine pull from the side of the road. What a beauty. I love the styling and especially the fact that it doesn't have super low-profile tires, which to me always look incongruous.

[@TheCitykiosk]

I agree with Jeremy Clarkson in his comment about the Verbier Race “I feel lucky to have spent so much time with it. Furthermore, I have the sense that I’ve driven a car that gets very close to motoring perfection.” So feel I every day. It’s absolutely fantastic, and the shape is as simple and perfect as a car bodywork can be. Nothing to add. Nothing to take. 20.000 km in 3 years, 70.000 run and no big issues…driving it hard, It’s heaven, as You described very well in Your video.

[@pimhansen6720]

4:10 "The Scragly Betty"? 😆 Really enjoying your work James, especially the real enjoyment of the cars you cover and transparency about owning them. Keep it up please.

[@BrainFuck10]

This is my favorite Ferrari of all time, so classy and elegant with great performance and usability, some people don't like the styling but it's really the best looking 4-seater Ferrari with awesome road presence!

[@ps36081]

Omg that was the best intro. No pops, bangs just a crisp engine roar

[@JayEmmOnCars]

It's a proper noise isn't it?

[@lorenzosemaratne9809]

Mines a HTGC, had it about 7 years. Great cars, taken mine to Italy 4 times, fast comfortable and plenty of space for luggage for 2. The more you drive it the better, really underrated and incredible value. I'm lucky enough to own a few Ferrari's and this is as good to own and drive as any of them.... Just don't buy one with silly low mileage and intermittent history. But do be aware that the dashboard 'screens' do go 'down' and aren't cheap to replace...

[@imbluz]

If this car was ugly, do you think Ferrari would have it in production for 8 consecutive years?

[@CraigMcB68]

A fantastic car decent review, but....as a current owner of a 612 HGTS I fundamentally disagree with 2 issues; 1.It looks amazing, is ageing so well in looks, indeed 90% of comments on here are saying the exact same and they cannot all also be owners. 2. I have had zero problems reliability wise, this included a 5 day European road trip, 1,000miles, 5 countries in 5 days. It never missed a beat! 3. What I can agree on- that V12 noise with the sports exhaust is biblical!

[@TML34]

Going on a road trip for a 1000 miles doesn’t prove it’s reliable. 😅 I’m amazed at what supercar owners deem as “reliable”.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yes, McLaren owners do like to use the old "I've done 3000 miles in five years and it has never missed a beat" bit, as if that is some sort of industry standard benchmark for reliability

[@CraigMcB68]

@@TML34 notwithstanding in 5 days of driving a 16 year old supercar across Europe and Autobahns at high speed in 5 days, if anything was going to go, it would have have, and nothing did. I do that once or twice a year. I said included the road trip, not the sum of my miles.

[@GoldenCroc]

@@CraigMcB68 You certainly have a point, and I agree it should reveal many issues if there are any, though to be fair 1000 miles across 5 days is not very much.

[@CraigMcB68]

@@GoldenCroc Having said that, my next 5 day road trip, in the UK, is 21st April. I hope that I don't have to eat my words 😅. Like James said on the review though, those cars regularly driven tend to run much better. Fingers crossed.

[@pgr3290]

612 has been one of the best Ferrari 'investments' you could buy in recent times. It's unloved, it's cheap to buy (but not run of course) and given another 10 years values will shoot up. It's a V12 front engined Ferrari. Remember when the 412 was worthless? Remember when the 456 was worthless? I do, and now good ones are starting to go silly money.

[@Calilasseia]

Personally, I like the way this car looks. Sufficiently understated to avoid being pestered every time you enter a petrol station (and all the more so if you choose a suitable external colour scheme) but distinctive enough to receive nods from those in the know. I actually regard it as pretty elegant! The one feature that *did* raise my eyebrows, was the engine/exhaust note. Usually, that sort of sound is reserved for the lairy mid engined racer models, while the GT cars have traditionally been a good deal less raw, primarily because they're usually aimed at a demographic that has a larger than average appreciation of comfort. But this one ... well, I can easily understand why James *really* enjoyed driving it, because it's another of those "wedding tackle inflation" cars once you get to know it properly :D Trouble is, enjoying this car properly will lead to a lot of debit card melting at the pump, and that's one aspect that should be causing *much* pause for thought. Big V12s always come with a commensurate appetite, and that's going to be a minus mark of note unless your bank account is a lavish one. But the one worry I have with all cars like this, is insurance, because even modestly performing cars these days can attract penal insurance levels, and anything with the word "Ferrari" attached I suspect will be a nightmare on this front if you use it as what the Americans term "a daily driver". But, if you can afford to indulge, oh yes, this is another of those cars I describe as "glorious". Now I'm waiting to find out if the manual transmission version is even more so :)

[@geoffaries]

I insured my Ferrari with NFU and found them very reasonable, agreed value and choice of repairer.

[@josefgordon7712]

I really like the subtle styling matched with that lovely exhaust note.

[@johntechwriter]

2:40 -- Automotive paint is durable in some ways but vulnerable in others, as in, being easily scratched or acidified when touched by a foreign object. Touching a car's paint with palms of your hands or by leaning against the paint in any way will damage the paint and should never be done. And yet Jay Leno and this guy do it all the time. And they do it to the rarest and most vulnerable collector cars. I hope this serves as a heads up.

[@fraserdb]

One of the last beautiful Ferraris in my eyes. Clean lines and no fuss.

[@FarukSAHIN]

Lovely.. As I was focused on this car lately, there were all 8-9-year-old videos reviews around and I saw this as a day old review (the most I like, older cars with updated or present-day reviews and cost of ownership experiences) and this video is ticking all the boxes for me about this car.. Thank you and I look forward to watch the Ireland Manuel Version Review.. I now subscribed and checking your other Vids Man.. Thank You

[@330d5]

I saw a TDF blue 612 a few months ago and thought it looked great. Aged really well

[@CraigMcB68]

I agree the looks are ageing far better than the earlier wedge 456 and 355. Just my 0.02.

[@quackman]

Tour De France blue best color!

[@johnmitchell2269]

Why did I hate these when they first came out? Trying to remember why. Because seeing it now all these years later, I don't have an issue with it. I prefer the sportier 575m, but the 612 seems like a proper GT.

[@RIIICK152]

I think many did, a boy in schools dad had one on a very dark wine red colour and it didn’t really look anything special. I think it has aged very well and I actually quite like it now

[@charliehmi76]

@@RIIICK152 Probably helps that new cars tend to be overdesigned now, they're all very fussy looking these days. This looks clean and classy by comparison now.

[@JelloTR]

Couldn’t disagree more about how it looks, to me it’s beautiful. There was a guy who had one near me in dark blue metallic with tan leather and I lusted after that car. I’ll take mine with the manual box and a warranty please. What a way to cross Europe on my next trip to see my in-laws in Bologna.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Dark blue it would wear very well I think

[@AntoniusTyas]

It's a colour sensitive car, the 612. Dark shades like Blu TdF, Nero Daytona or Grigio Silverstone works very well. Rosso Corsa also works wonder, surprisingly. But not yellow. Bright yellow definitely ruined the looks.

[@stu4181]

Have to love Jay-emm for his ‘real world’ reviews including decent Segments on how much these cars have cost to maintain etc, a lot of other channels drive a car and say it’s awesome to drive and don’t touch on this stuff which is mega important to every day people! Keep up the good work!!

[@wolfiestreet6899]

Because these cars are not for 'everyday' people. If the running costs concern you, if you even have to ask, you can't afford it.

[@stu4181]

@@wolfiestreet6899 That sounds great but I don’t actually think in this case it’s true. We are talking about a 20 year old Ferrari here not a new one. People with the sort of disposable money to run these cars tend to be, good with money, so are aware what 5k more spent in maintenance a year really means, if there are two cars you fancy both the same price - 90k say and one will cost you 3k a year to maintain and one 8k it could easily sway your descison.

[@wolfiestreet6899]

@@stu4181 'People with (undisclosed sum) disposable income are good with money'. What is this assertion based upon? That's quite the philosophical statement. Do you think people purchase these types of discretionary goods entirely on the rationality of their economics? What is rational about purchasing any Ferrari apart from speculation as an investment? You see not only is my assertion true in this case, it's true in all such cases. I put it to you that the mere colour of a car has just as much a bearing, if not more, on the purchasing decision.

[@stu4181]

@@wolfiestreet6899 Buying a car as an investment is nearly always a poor move, I believe is a widely accepted sentiment. Yes some times they do well, but even a 20 year old Ferrari which increases in value when maintenance/insurance/tax etc is considered will not beat an investment of the same value in an index tracker fund. Yes there is always exceptions, that prove the rule, but I don’t think this car will be one that will be one. So yes the decision is usually based on a love of cars and a wanting to own a Ferrari, but it’s not like this is the only Ferrari available or exotic car for that matter, so for most people I would say running costs are important. Especially as even those with a decent income could never own all the cars they’d want to, and there will likely be multiple cars shortlisted. Running costs are going to be a factor for most people, I believe.

[@wolfiestreet6899]

@@stu4181 I did not assert that speculation on car valuations was a good investment. Focus on the matter at hand Stu, don't shape shift my point. You seem very keen to assert your beliefs on reality but you don't support them at all. So for most people, you believe running costs are important? But we're not talking about most people, are we Stu. Because most people are not in the market for exotic cars. I put it to you, again, that those that are in the market are not frequently making choices based on economics. Again, you seem to be shape shifting the argument and now appear disingenuous. I care not for your anecdotal opinion and trife beliefs. Facts man, facts. Look at the indicators. Since when are any exotic supercars marketed as value propositions? One example please. One. The only real consideration is going to be depreciation.

[@AntoniusTyas]

I wasn't a fan of 612 Scaglietti when they were new. Especially not with that split rims. But I once saw a Nero Daytona 612 Scaglietti with the Challenge wheels from 599 GTB introduced during the later year of 612 production. That, I actually really like. But then I saw a photo of yellow 612 Scaglietti with that split rims and I feel like I want to wash my eyes.

[@Pietervdv]

I agree on the split rims, I always felt they look a bit cheap and after market. The 612 is a car that's very sensitive for wheel design. Its length, or rather its wheelbase, makes the wheels shrink.

[@JankyAF]

Call me crazy but the mondial and 612 are two of my fav ferrari’s, maybe its just the value play but i love the unloved, and the 612 has weird corvette C1 vibes to me that i do think have aged well, and if nothing else is something quite different for ferrari, harkening back to their early vehicles, which i very much appreciate

[@niallmurdiff8972]

The audio on that video is amazing. I am listening on a phone, admittedly with stereo speakers but I kept having to look around because I kept thinking there were cars coming up the driveway

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Ha, thankyou

[@nightnomad635]

I've always loved the 612 too like many other admirers in the comments section. It's also my dream Ferrari purely because of the Top Gear episode of it racing to Verbier. Great video and review

[@kipsome45]

I think it’s biggest problem appearance wise is that it looks under-wheeled. The same went for the 456 to my eyes.

[@BillyBoy444]

Seen a couple with 599 wheels on them.

[@matt3997]

Thrilled to see this. Been waiting for you to explore the 612. In my opinion it is exceptional and highly desirable.

[@lrs3]

Strange but for some reason these are one of my favourite Ferraris.

[@futurecat]

9:35 - Your voice is great, a perfect blend of engaging and relaxing.

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

I was never keen on the design after the 550/575, but it does sound amazing.

[@jenshaga4256]

The Ferrari I would have (manual version). Thanks for sharing!

[@chrisking6702]

Been waiting for this review! Thank you

[@MrRoyck10]

Exquisitely designed and eloquently analysis by Jay.

[@BR-ur2gk]

Love your reviews very balanced and bought an RCZ and a Z4 coupe recently because of them, have the same F1 in my 4200 and you nailed the review of that gearbox

[@johnfazackerley6951]

Lovely in dark metallic blue with tan interior.No sports exhaust required.

[@nigeldeforrest-pearce8084]

The 612 is certainly a “Possible “ Ferrari. Thank You!!!

[@michaelyounes29]

Always liked the unusual curves of the 612 Great review as always James.

[@69hongkongphooey]

Loving the Ferrari content, even though I don’t own one 😂

[@stephenw5628]

I don't really understand the hate this got around its styling - it may not be the most beautiful, but it's not offensive in any way and it looks so much better than a lot of the newer ferraris, take the hideous SF90 for example

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

I think it's really stylish and classic.

[@JelloTR]

The SF90 truly is gopping isn’t it?

[@chrisogrady28]

Always loved the 612, who wouldn't want a manual RWD FF?

[@MRVSKIN]

Absolutely Loving your videos

[@aaryeshg.6526]

Liked the 612 ever since I saw that Fifth Gear review that Jason Plato did back then. This and the SLR are my absolute favs. A GT car first, Supercar second.

[@classiccars5383]

Looking forward to hearing what you make of the manual. Mine's TDF blue which I agree suits it, goes like a rocket and yet its so comfortable and fab cabin. Thought it a bit quiet so changed the pipes, jury out on that, sounds like (I imagine) a RAF AVRO Vulcan on its final run at Port Stanley runway.

[@sotirisbakaimis3276]

Α very good review about an underrated Ferrari model!

[@robbullen-whatling2876]

Scraggly Betty! 😂 I had to triple check that one!!!

[@grayfool]

Quie a nicely proportioned car. It really looks OK. Just the usual scary costs would put me off. Sounds amazing.

[@babbo1218]

These are a great car and also reliable. Don’t see many serious problems with these. The odd ball joint and few oil leaks but otherwise pretty bulletproof, even the F1 box is fairly reliable in this.

[@anastassiosperakis2869]

Last October 3 2021, on a sunny and breezy Saturday, we went to Emil's for a potluck picnic in his spendid gardens, about 20 km along the twisting coastal road from my own home, and saw a silver Scaglietti in its individual garage. THe exterior looked far more stunning and brilliant than this one looks in the video (we did not take it out in the sun, only saw it in the garage), and it also had the excellent gated 6 sp manual shifter and not this ridiculous looking auto lever. Emil, a classmate of ours in school with whom (and about a dozen others) we keep regularly in touch, is a big Ferarri fan and collector, has at least two others (he mentioned a Bordeaux 456 2002 and an F40) and probably many more.

[@whartonbizzo]

Thanks for reviewing this car.

[@djneils100]

I like the looks - it's aging really well

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Very nice colour. Wish that there was a way to get it converted to a modern auto. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@craiggoodman4922]

Great video James. If this was filmed a couple of weekends ago then I think I was outside the bakery at the village exit that leads on to to your demanding road, when you have some throttle at ~22 minute... sounded amazing.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yep might have been me - nice bakery too

[@Boujiehoodrat]

Been my dream car and all time favorite Ferrari body style for over 10 years. Highly underrated

[@gsczr1]

Fun Video. I think the lines of the 612 are distinctive. Styling is always a matter of opinion but I like the looks of this car. Sounds great too. Cheers!!!

[@chrisg998]

“I hate the sound of my own voice” April fools day was last week guv’na

[@swiper1818]

Excellent review!!!

[@mihailhidler5400]

I lost it when he said scaGlietti xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@pilou827]

I was invited to take a ride in a 612 yesterday, as a passenger. Exhilarating experience, of course, because of the engine performance, and the sound it delivers, with the exhaust line. From roughness at low revs, we move on to high-pitched roars at high revs, in a continuous thrust of the powertrain. In Sport mode, and automatic gear selection, the gearbox allows relatively smooth driving in town, consistent with the fairly good quality of filtration of road imperfections by the suspension. I found that the seatback foam lacked a bit of softness at sitting, and I noticed a few small finishing flaws in the dashboard trim that caught my attention (but the car is not new). But one of the points on which I agree the most with Jay is the mediocre quality of gear changes, in automatic, compared to the current state of the art: The gear change times, even in Sport mode, seemed relatively long, and above all, the torque withdrawal seemed very pronounced to me. On this point, this adaptation of the F1 box seems to have aged a lot.

[@StevieeG]

I always thought time would be kind to these. I think they look awesome. It’s difficult not to like V12 and 4 seats. I’ll have mine in not-silver and with an open gate manual please… preferably with a mileage that means I can put more on without worrying.

[@danielthomas8507]

Saw one in Rossa corsa recently....flipping stunning tbh...I'd have one...cheers from NZ James ...quality as always...

[@claudiomarangone614]

Enjoy your content very much Jay… A note- Pardon, my Italian ears hurt when you said, Scaglietti… In the Italian, the letter “g” is silent when “gli” is present (Scaglietti). Grazie! 😉

[@moneymikz]

Your intro sounds like it should be playing during the montage where we get introduced to the lovable crew of jewel thieves in a Guy Ritchie movie

[@JayEmmOnCars]

You're right

[@sebmanes1401]

Stunning car - 1-2-1 version and sessanta were truly amazing classic machine

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Damn that's good timing. I'm gonna test drive one next week!

[@PaddyMcMe]

I'm a Maserati/Alfa Romeo guy but as modern Ferrari's go this is my favourite. It's the most restrained, simple & attractive of the modern Ferraris and being a proper GT it's actually practical too. You could buy one of these and drive around town or to the shops without looking or sounding like a narcissistic attention seeking man-child, just like you can with a Maserati or Alfa 8C. The Grill is my favourite element, it's SO 1960's 250 GT/GTO. The new Roma has the same style grill too and I love that also.

[@benpenagonzales6014]

I've always wanted one of these ever since Clarkson raced one to the Alps. Proper playboy style. 👌 obvs doesn't suit me then, lol

[@lorddrake2418]

Thank you good video, lovely car, nicely subdued. Is it a good GT?

[@neilhurt1992]

Still think the 456 is a more elegant design. Not that I'm biased or anything. Must go, just remembered I haven't finished hoovering my 456....Haha. Cheers from a slightly chilly Otford, Kent.

[@rhale007]

solid review.. thanks Jay. ...love the car.. looks have grown on me over the years.. and hopefully I can acquire one in the near future ! 😁 I think a carefully acquired one wouldn't go down in value either (I know convinced myself already 🤣).

[@michaelbeswick9637]

Looking good fella.

[@Theo-vm4or]

Having been in one of these cars non Package as the second personal Ferrari experience I think it’s great car for the country roads and distance driving but isn’t suited to round town due to that F1 box. Overall though comfortable and spacious and high quality inside.

[@SLCQD]

I would also add that the turning radius makes it also not very suited for driving around town...

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

It's design has rather grown on me, I happily admit.

[@Boyzee355]

An open gate 612 in Blu Pozzi please

[@CovKid2K10]

Dunno why it’s gets hate, it’s beautiful

[@TP-3000]

Thanks for the recent reviews - eerily prescient for me. How does the 612 compare to Maserati QPVS please? Can’t decide whether to stick or twist.

[@MartiniPinball]

People like Jay who are the definition of of average taste who don’t like the 612, is the very reason i love the 612. It’s all class and that’s just to difficult for some to understand

[@TheLEMRR]

Love the sound of this Scag...

[@mileswhd1234]

Even better in person!

[@zaamuro8408]

Still a looker, if only the headlights weren't body coloured on the inside

[@GM-fh5jp]

It might not be a great-looking Ferrari but it still looks better than most cars you can buy today. Great sound, classy AF. Can't wait to see you drive the manual. Nice episode James.

[@Diebschlag]

I’ve always liked how it looks - girl next door rather than page 3 model. But then again, I also like the Panamera, so maybe I just don’t know what I’m talking about.

[@marcdelaunay1]

Been in one of these in scotland twenty years ago and was wonderful but hated the looks, like i did with fiat coupes at the time….now I love those designs….nice one Jay!😍

[@nikbear]

A beautiful, elegant and understated car, I love it! 😍🐎

[@callytheblueparakeet]

A truly special thing, with a nice derrière although a slightly unresolved front end… for me this would be a much more attractive package with a ZF torque converter, because sometimes it’s nice to put driver involvement to one side… and in auto mode the F1 box here doesn’t seem terribly competent (similar I guess to how it was in my Maserati GranSport).

[@ektalon1]

I only agree with your comments about the looks when viewed from the rear. From the front and sides, I think it is a very pretty car, especially from the three-quarter front view.

[@eze8970]

Thanks J, great sounding car! Think it's aging well to.

[@andyhunt457]

Be really interesting to know if that slight lift when changing actually helps out with clutch and gearbox life.It sure looks from your head rock that it may do,then again maybe that they designed that factor in.?

[@Will_M600]

This and the 456 both seem super underrated

[@StaxNoir]

Proper italian job intro that Jay !

[@Suprahampton]

Always liked the styling of these however given the choice I'd prob go for the 456

[@TheSenorChavez]

the 612 is the link between Ferrari's heritage and it's future, a beautiful well crafted aluminum masterpiece. The car is superb.

[@heimatliebe116]

Your voice is great, m8!

[@maxspencer1151]

We do love a Scraggly Betty

[@geraint8989]

I think the 612 is gorgeous. If you have it in anything other than Rosso Re-sell, it can also fly under the radar a little. A Perhaps-Maserati. I nearly bought one, as a bold (stupid) boy in his 20s who was willing to put a big chunk of his net worth into his first special car. In the end, I got an AMG and felt stung when it threw up a 2k bill. We learn slowly and have oodles of wisdom in retrospect, don’t we?

[@12jamiegavin12]

I know what you mean with the warning lights. Remember my Alfa gtv cup would always flash an eml or airbag light at random times when there was actually nothing wrong.

[@RedLP5000S]

The Scag looks good on you, Jay. Not my cup of tea, but definitely worth a try. 🇮🇹👌🏻

[@Nord_Mann]

Although I have always been intrigued by 4-seater Ferraris, I’ve never really liked the Scaglietti. Last week, one was totaled by the father of it’s new owner same week he acquired it here in Norway. Sad story.

[@ozeskiman]

When I bought my 575M the lumbar support didn't work. Turned out to be a plastic cog in the mechanism was missing a couple of teeth. The list price was around £1,200, as you had to buy the complete motor with its mechanism .. and unobtanium. I found the manufacturer online and contacted them and they made a new unit and shipped it free to me from the USA. Currently I'm doing the premium service and the 2 fuel relief valves in the tank are NA, and no available delivery date from Ferrari, even though this part is required in their program. It's been a year since we ordered them. I recently needed a new front hyperblock and the ones my car have turned out to be only put on the car in the early production years.. again they are unavailable. I found possibly the last pair in the world. So parts can be an issue. I got 55k out of the clutch. Petrol consumption is not great, especially around town. But on a run, even a hard one, it's as James suggests.

[@neilgaydon5430]

My wife’s 12 year old Audi Q5 3.0 diesel with just 41,646 miles worth today £12,000 - radar system replacement system £2,600, central locking replacement £800…twice = £1,600, replacement twin clutch auto gearbox £10,000, 12 years servicing circa £5,000, new belts £800, £500 a year warranty cover for 7 years £3,500, new tyres £1,200 and now they want £3,000 because they say the suspension is corroding (which turned out to be an Audi con so haven’t added it) = £29,700. To be fair the gearbox was covered by the extended Audi warranty payment so total cost = £19,700. If you then add in depreciation from retail at £49,000 - £12,000 = £37,000 …so the car has cost £56,700. My 2006 manual Ferrari F430 has had limited depreciation and averaged £1,400 a year to run. A ‘same age as the Audi’ Porsche 997.2 Turbo S, has actually cost less to run over the same period.