Jayson Tatum is not a Kobe Bryant-esque superstar, Kyrie-Nets impasse, Warriors | NBA | THE HERD

[@TheHerdOnFS1]

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[@mrpearson1230]

Discrediting Steph by crediting Warriors team chemistry is ridiculous when Steph is the most unselfish superstar ever who created the Warriors dynasty! Hadn't won since the 70's smfh. The greatest shooter ever deserves more credit than he gets.

[@jasonjanisewski78]

There is nothing to indicate Steph is any bit more unselfish than Duncan or Giannis

[@bangwithcamino693]

@@jasonjanisewski78 Kevin Durant disagrees. Jordan Poole starting in the playoffs disagrees.

[@OscaR-bo8ub]

Watch the Draymond Green podcast he took less money

[@trueinviso1]

Yeah, he sounds dumb in this sound bite, take curry away from this team and even the team with KD they probably don't win. Curry breaks the defense when he's on the court even if he's not making shots because of the attention he draws away from the basket, which makes it sooo much easier for his teammates to score.

[@Dear_9000]

Its ok... We dont need other to validate Steph's greatness. A lot of people doesnt have him in Top 10, a lot do. So its well in good. I also feel they have 1 or 2 more chips in there until the roster is too expensive to keep... I also see the core 3 winning 1 chip as vets with Poole and JK leading the team (hope wiseman too)

[@multiguy11]

People talk about being Kobe like it’s easy, being like Kobe is basically being like Jordan 😂

[@geelamont4930]

Nah Kobe different fym 😤

[@mrfinalsmvp8067]

@@geelamont4930 different in a bad way tho. Not tryna discredit him but he's basically an inefficient Jordan

[@geelamont4930]

@@mrfinalsmvp8067 nah he just missing a ring

[@nicholaswoods4055]

Facts

[@blind-sidelocc6052]

Being like Jordan is like being like Dr J. 🤷🏾‍♂️💯

[@edgardosoto7513]

Last year Booker got compared to Kobe and everyone killed him and this year its Tatum. I wonder who its gonna be next year

[@christiangraff5236]

Tatum is the one showing off that he's texting a dead man

[@Mandovarient13]

Joe eingles

[@M3333C]

Tatum is better than Booker

[@bryanmitchell9154]

TJ Warren

[@juliansearcie1758]

pat Beverly

[@johnray527]

I actually like how hard it is for a player to become Top 10 now. Love Steph. Love to see it.

[@lukaszepesi]

Except for Lebron they just made him number 2.

[@TheKustms]

@@lukaszepesi …. #1😮‍💨

[@FlashesSoccer011]

@@lukaszepesi he earned number 2. Quit hating

[@superexclusive452]

@@FlashesSoccer011 number 3

[@ChrisDodges123]

If he was 6'7 and had the same accolades...he be top 10 easy with no push back.

[@elopez1882]

Jayson Tatum is truly a Kobe stan. Paid tribute to #24 by beating the Celtics.

[@CQNova]

😂

[@baldeagle4710]

lmao

[@r-an-dom-s-things]

lol Tatum mentioned he's a Laker fan ever since. I'm glad he knows how to be a Laker fan, hehehe..

[@DarkSaint411]

Wow 🤣

[@PoohShimmy]

TOP TIER COMMENT

[@sytrash]

The Warriors plays the way they do cause they have Steph, not the other way around. Have a system, some other great players to play with does not let you play like Steph. The space he created made the new NBA.

[@thekongstocks]

Mike D'Antoni created the "new" NBA

[@genorivera2207]

Yea, but to have a shooter in klay Thompson where he can get hot from three at anytime . That’s what makes the warriors lethal, the two best shooters on one team and they both can red hot at any moment.

[@ChristopherX30]

@@genorivera2207 Thank you. If you don't have a true SG with that type of efficiency, the GSW monster doesn't operate as fluidly.

[@THECASUALco]

This is how good Kobe was; as inefficient as he was he still has 5 ships. 3 With a top 10 player in Shaq and two with a highly skilled, not quite top 75 player in Pau Gasol and a middling player in Lamar Odom. His second round of championships came with what was basically a poor man's Bulls squad when they had Jordan, Rodman, and Pippen. The center was Luc Longley the sixth man was who? Toni Kukoc right? People often forget about how good Jordan's squads were. A team with Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc (coming off the bench) would basically amount to a super team today. AND again they had JORDAN! Kobe was never truly ever as good as Jordan and yet he ran with lesser teams and still won. That's why he makes so many top tens. He did more with less and being a lesser version of Jordan. That's why you shouldn't compare Tatum to him. They aren't even close to being the same player.

[@ownthelibs]

Kobe shot under 40.04 percent in 5 of 7 finals. This ain’t the comparison u guys wanna make. Kobe was arguably worse in 2004 than Tatum was this past year. Sorry Tatum didn’t have prime Shaq for his first finals and could afford to average 14 points a game

[@donovanprice3321]

@@ownthelibs bro if Kobe ain’t a chuck machine in 04 they win 4 in a row he was God awful in that series 32 from the field 17 from 3 Ben Wallace couldn’t check Shaq even then woulda been over

[@AJay11180]

Paul gasol not even close to top 200 lmao

[@jucci178]

@@donovanprice3321 every player has their bad series ..

[@donovanprice3321]

@@jucci178 except Michael Jordan! Which Kobe and Lebron ain’t een close to

[@therealist1103]

The media narrative about the Celtics being the better team “on paper” is hilarious.

[@maximilienrobes1822]

I know it is laughable. What paper are they looking at? Celtics were overachievers. Should just be happy to be there

[@drakeaamold7577]

Jesus loves you

[@weho_brian]

i dont know about better but on par is a fair assessment. All we know is that if Jason Tatum played to his skill level, not even above, this would be an entirely different series. Basically saying go into a final test all you have too do is get a C minus and we have a good chance at winning, he was an F+. And so basically led to Marcus smart doing dumb S###

[@christopherbrown1391]

They are on paper the problem is experiencing of not knowing how too win if you go 1-5 they are I would put Steph number 1 but on down they are

[@juliansearcie1758]

​@@weho_brian Jason tried and got shut down it's called competition

[@Trinx323]

There will NEVER be another kobe , too much to endure including the case in 04'. He preserved and won championships , hard to duplicate that

[@ownthelibs]

Lmao he shot 38 percent in 2004 finals while Shaq Averaged 27 a game on 63 percent. Tatum’s first finals was better than Kobe’s first.. and just as bad as 2004. Enough with the capping

[@ownthelibs]

Kobe shot under 40.04 percent in 5 of 7 finals. This ain’t the comparison u guys wanna make. Kobe was arguably worse in 2004 than Tatum was this past year. Sorry Tatum didn’t have prime Shaq for his first finals and could afford to average 14 points a game

[@hughhefner5348]

@@ownthelibs they were internally fractured in 04.

[@ownthelibs]

@@hughhefner5348 Shaq averaged 27 a game on 63 percent on Ben Wallace. The only thing fractured was Kobe’s shooting

[@hughhefner5348]

@@ownthelibs yeah. Kobe just magically couldn't play anymore after dominating the previous few years. He literally comeptleply threw Shaq under the bus that season and caused Shaq to get a divorce. Let alone also dealing with his own family problems and getting suspended. They were fractured. Shaq numbers look good but they didn't play with nearly the chemistry and cohesion they did in the past. But keep blindingly looking at a boxscore to explain what happen. Also while kobe shot bad, at least he DID SHOOT. Tatum froze and was scared of the moment. Like when Kobe shot them airballs vs Utah in the 90s what Shaq say? At least he WANTED TO SHOOT

[@Lilbuck338]

Ric Said Phoenix suns were better and he picked Boston to win the series. quit inviting these Stephen Curry haters for click baits it’s getting ridiculous

[@semionjohnson1351]

That's cap he picked the Warriors to win the finals before the series started stop lying

[@sasakikojiro5499]

@@semionjohnson1351 “staying in golden state is not going to get him a ring. I know how delusional warriors fans are right now living in the bay area. They believe as soon as klay comes back, we’re right back on the championship course again. And the reality is, the dynasty is over” -ric bucher 4/01/2021 on speak for yourself

[@semionjohnson1351]

@@sasakikojiro5499 like I said before the finals he picked the Warriors to win and the person wrote that he picked the Celtics to win which was false so idk why you even typed this

[@sasakikojiro5499]

@@semionjohnson1351 guess who said this? “The celtics winning the chip warriors about to get smacked”

[@Lilbuck338]

@@semionjohnson1351 shouldn’t have wasted your time replying to this kid

[@ddp5406]

Steph is definitely top 10

[@applejoosh_]

I’ve said it before, but Tatum reminds me of peak Danny Granger

[@josegarcia9650]

Ppl forget how great Danny G was. Absolute beast of a player

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

@@josegarcia9650 Great player when healthy.

[@Geeandrezzi]

I’ll say prime Brandon Roy more

[@meatusshaft300]

@@Geeandrezzi omg! Brandon Roy was supposed to be the next iteration of the elite 2 guard after Kobe! Then those knees just got hit! 😭 😭

[@mrfinalsmvp8067]

@@meatusshaft300 Brandon Roy was the early 2000s Dame dolla

[@sladesurfer]

without Draymond? How come I never hear that with Jordan? Without Pippen?

[@marquisewalston377]

NOBODY is Kobe Bryant. 🤦🏽‍♂️ Y’all gotta stop thinking Tatum, Booker, Kyrie etc is trying to BE Kobe, they simply just idolize him & want to be LIKE him. Similar to how Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Iverson etc wanted to be like Jordan.

[@skyblue5914]

Kobe is a bum, who tf wants to be like him.. The media likes to create this narrative that Kobe was legend when in reality he was nothing more than a ball hog and selfish player... Most SGs and SFs in todays league are more talented than him in every way.. they can shoot better, drive better and handle the ball with ease...

[@LightNdaDark]

@@skyblue5914 leads all shooting guards in assists bud

[@marquisewalston377]

@@LightNdaDark Bruh don’t even acknowledge him. 😂 He’s clearly a troll desperately looking for attention.

[@Tre_Ason_Number7]

​@@skyblue5914 you buggin

[@ownthelibs]

Kobe shot under 40.04 percent in 5 of 7 finals. This ain’t the comparison u guys wanna make. Kobe was arguably worse in 2004 than Tatum was this past year. Sorry Tatum didn’t have prime Shaq for his first finals and could afford to average 14 points a game

[@ShermanSitter]

I like when he said "that is unique" ..."and Tim Duncan also had it".

[@sethrobinson28]

Him and Tim kurkjian should have a podcast called “High Pitched”

[@GoodMortySmith]

The REAL REASON Celtics lost: Celtics 4 main stars = 72 turnovers total throughout the series, Warriors 4 main stars = 38.

[@JPB242hgc2]

🎯 🎯 🎯 I picked the Warriors in 7 because of how the Celtics TO the 🏀 In my opinion Boston had the better squad

[@DMalltheway]

@@JPB242hgc2 If you turn the ball over that much, they are not better.

[@joshpillos]

The real reason warriors won is Celtic is thrash? Celtics is not the best team that the East gave ? TO was not forced by the warriors ? Without the TO they probably should have won … maybe just say if only the warriors were not a great team the Celtics could have won it !!

[@yitang5877]

This Rick guy apparently got the causality wrong. GSW is structured in that way because Curry (and Thompson) can shoot like that. Others are just pieces to add to the base created by Curry and Thompson.

[@khamphanhphouvanh6766]

Celtics were melting down before our Eyes but some NBA Analysts still had negative Thought toward GSW

[@leonangelarevalo2596]

Covering the bay area for twenty years how many of those he was casting doubts over the warriors .?

[@EshockT]

Rick Bucher is Draymond’s best argument that old media really sucks. Embarrassing.

[@FupaDoncic]

Been hearing Tatum, DeRozan and Booker play the most like Kobe, but still missing that mentality

[@Keviekev115]

uhhh maybe because kobe had shaq…. pau gasol…..derek fisher…. hard nosed role players as well. as good as kobe was he did NOT do it alone…

[@coldones9505]

Put Kobe on these Celtics and they would have won. Tatum soft.

[@LilJMoore]

@@coldones9505 if Tatum had played with that fire he had when facing the Nets or certain games against the Heat and Bucks where he had 40. They probably be the champs. But bro decided to play scared and helpless in the finals and it cost they team

[@philleotardo5829]

@@LilJMoore so did lebron in his first finals

[@coldones9505]

@@LilJMoore What if the finals are fixed and Jason Tatum was SUPPOSED to throw? What if Jimmy Butler was supposed to throw Game 7 by taking that 3 pointer? What if the Suns were supposed to throw Game 7? Its all sus to me honestly.

[@lebaronking1581]

Colin you are the only person that understands' and publicly stated, what Dr. J did for the NBA.

[@mitchelll3879]

Colin literally understands NOTHING about basketball, football, baseball, hockey, nothing

[@snowl22]

Guest speaker is more insightful than the host.

[@TheAngelica1106]

This is crazy! Steph is the Warriors system. This is crazy

[@SynnChronicle]

People do realize that Warriors don't have a cap issue right? this team is perfect for chip winning, no selfish players

[@NoVisionGuy]

Wait, I thought they got salary issues this coming season?

[@JailBr3ak3r77]

They’re paying the most in luxury tax out of every team. GSW has been way over the cap space since the beginning of this season.

[@shaft9000]

'NO SELFISH PLAYERS" = said no owner or GM, ever

[@SynnChronicle]

@@JailBr3ak3r77 I understand that, but they're willing to pay, that's why I say they don't have a cap issue, plus 4-5 of their biggest role players make only 1-2 million a piece, if they really wanted, paycuts could always be talked about with Steph, Klay, Draymond, or Wiggs if they're serious about winning

[@tigera6]

@@JailBr3ak3r77 I am not sure if there is a hard cap for that, but AFAIK, the Owner was willing to pay up to 400mil/season for the salary and luxury tax combined. They already sold part of the land ownership around the arena for that, and that new place is printing out money every year with one of highest ticket price in the NBA.

[@kevinliu2898]

Media has to chill, not everyone can be like Kobe and Jayson Tatum is only 24 years of age so he has yet to reach his prime. Tatum shows a ton of potential though on both ends of the floor.

[@LPjunemark]

U stop, tatum wanna be kobe 🤣🤣🤣.

[@jasonwilliams4718]

I remember when Stephen a said D Book is the new Kobe last year… such an idiotic thing to say these a lot of these media guys are terrible

[@BonesDMS4life]

@@bonner07 he literally mimicked Kobe and that’s why the defense had enough time to stop him . Kobe knew his fundamentals like crazy his footwork , arc of his shots etc

[@bobbybetwirlin8442]

@@BonesDMS4life to be fair kobe littearlly averaged only 15 points his first finals. Shaq was doing a lot of the heavy lifting

[@txivneebswafflesandshroom]

The better team doesn’t lose In 6

[@Bran-Da-Don]

Ime Udoka needs to implement a structured offense that fits Tatum & Brown's strengths so that the offense is not bogged down. This might sound crazy but this roster is perfect for the triangle.

[@mac_94]

I totally agree. You need a system to get easy shots. Tatum and Brown are skilled enough to freestyle when a play breaks down, but you need structure

[@Phantom6lack]

Structure offense they don’t run the offenses game plan 🤣🤣🤣.

[@slamandjam2]

He also needs to be less arrogant on defense. Them playing drop coverage on Steph all series was baffling. They thought that they had such good individual defenders that they thought they could stop Steph while taking away the warriors 4 vs 3 that they usually get when teams blitz Steph. It bit them in the end

[@DMalltheway]

They’d need an entire different coaching staff to orchestrate that scheme.

[@J-Hue]

@@slamandjam2 Drop coverage wasn't their problem. Forcing Steph to have to try and carry the offense himself probably got them better results than pressing up and letting others get open on offense. If Tatum played close to his potential, they could have actually won this series with the drop coverage. No defense they could've possibly implemented would've helped significantly with how JT was shooting.

[@chfbyr2]

10:56 - First thing I would say to Joy if I ever saw her in person.

[@disengen]

Zaza Pachulia changed the game when he fouled Kawhi. This is such an irrelevant point to bring up when talking about how good a player is.

[@DorellJones]

JT is a solid star. Gotta develop a solid passing game. Gotta make your teammates better.

[@shelovestimlive2430]

He averaged 7 assists in the finals and 6 assists in the playoffs he’s become great playmaker

[@gerrythorington7332]

@@shelovestimlive2430 He averaged more turnovers than assists. 100 turnovers! Great playmaker? Lol

[@von4774]

He couldn’t go up for 10-15 ft jump shots against Curry. Dude gotta fix that weird hitch in his shot and learn to go up and score on smaller people on the perimeter. Trying to get to the rim too much. Forcing it

[@von4774]

@@gerrythorington7332 I agree with you 👍

[@victorforeman2864]

He has done it sparingly but not consistently

[@WrestlingHoops]

“Jayson Tatum is not a Kobe Bryant esc superstar” In other breaking news… water is hydrating. 🤡

[@josetolento4001]

Lmao now this is hilarious! Thanks for the laugh 😂

[@WrestlingHoops]

@@josetolento4001 that was the purpose, my friend 😎 lmaooo

[@ownthelibs]

Kobe shot 38 percent in 2004 finals while Shaq Averaged 27 a game on 63 percent. Tatum’s first finals was better than Kobe’s first.. and just as bad as 2004 and close to as bad as 2008. Enough with the capping

[@ownthelibs]

Kobe shot under 40.04 percent in 5 of 7 finals. This ain’t the comparison u guys wanna make. Kobe was arguably worse in 2004 than Tatum was this past year. Sorry Tatum didn’t have prime Shaq for his first finals and could afford to average 14 points a game

[@messiahx904]

Being Kobe ain’t easy Kid

[@juliansearcie1758]

being anybody other than yourself is foolish

[@Mrcool19771]

Dirk nowinski changed the game . Bigs shooting 3s blossomed after he did it .

[@occultsymbols]

Definitely. I think he has a great argument for top 10 most important players

[@madegm4765]

Not really, bcz before him there's a big man that can shoots 3 like he did, I'll give u the name. The Indiana pacers Rick and Perkins in 2000. Them both big,, and shoots 3. So not dirk in particular, but again.... More of curry I guess.

[@bokyongso]

8:26 Jordan never won without Pippen. Not a very good argument on keeping him out of the top 10. Now if you said he doesn't have 11 championships like Russell then fine, but to say he doesnt belong there because of Draymond and Klay. Now that's just plain stupid.

[@matthewmiles4040]

As soon he said dray and klay ..i stop listening no superstar did it on they own

[@ChrisDodges123]

10:50 "I gave ya 10 minutes" 😆

[@rogerlivingstone3528]

Tatum, great though he is, seems to be missing something. Unlike Kobe, or Steph, he doesn't seem to have that killer instinct.

[@ryananderson59]

And also his decision making is wild.

[@Keviekev115]

bruhh stop… he made it to the finals before curry lmfao

[@M3333C]

@@Keviekev115 wait until they see Kobes first finals numbers... these ppl are delusional 🤣

[@jshawkat3594]

He doesn’t have the SWAG - you either born with it or you not - not something you can practice

[@jfizzle6434]

@@Keviekev115 Tatum has been put in a far better situation than Curry did when he was drafted. Just look at the talent on the Celtics roster sine Tatum was drafted and compare it to what Curry had when he was drafted. It’s actually an embarrassment that he hasn’t even been able to take them to the finals before 2022, he’s had plenty of opportunities.

[@stevetimbo444]

How do you walk away after watching that series thinking Boston was the better team. Unbelievable

[@stevetimbo444]

@John Smith warriors won in 6 comfortably. Won 3 straight games to close it out. The Celtics got found out by a smarter team with more spacing, creativity, and ability to score. The Celtics didn’t have the horses to match the warriors and that’s reflected in the minutes played by the starters and bench. Celtics ran 6-7 guys into the ground hoping for something to happen while the warriors used their full arsenal and put them to sleep in 6.

[@stevetimbo444]

@John Smith cool convo 👍🏻

[@stevetimbo444]

@John Smith hahahahahahahahaha

[@andreking2949]

​@@stevetimbo444 💯💯💯💯💯

[@blind-sidelocc6052]

Having LeBron @ 9 is pretty fair. He played with alotta superstars and had the luxury to be the best team in a lackluster Eastern conference. He cant go no higher cuz his Finals losses with the amount help/Superteam

[@toddymcgann5856]

This take is blind in itself. LeBron has only been favored in 2-3 finals cause he’s played against better super teams. Better teams than most in their career besides the 80s lakers and Celtics. Like anyone to me who doesn’t have LeBron at 2nd or behind magic at 3 just truthfully doesn’t understand the game or is trying to force themselves to believe it

[@TheLc904]

Yeah Lebron is GREAT. Played in a ridiculous weak Eastern Conference. Thats not his fault, however it matters. The others mostly stayed with the same team and made it work. His 6 losses are a bad look. He also needs a superteam to win.

[@monochrome493]

Stupid is as Stupid does

[@mynutsonyourchin2806]

@@TheLc904 Jordan’s east was weaker lol give me lebrons 4-6 over MJs 6-0 any day!

[@mynutsonyourchin2806]

@@TheLc904 Jordan never had to leave his bulls team they were the best in the league for 6 years straight for each of those 6 finals

[@AverageJoesAwesomeSlots]

Ric Bucher is one of those chumps who has year after year double down on the downfall and demise of the warriors....Now hes lost his shirt in the process....He covered the warriors for so long, it's crazy where the hatred has stemmed from

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

Colin, Randy Moss set a rookie record with 17 tds in Minnesota. He was even BETTER before he got to New England (he was still amazing, best wr in football, with Brady though ).

[@toddymcgann5856]

Then he set the all time td record with Brady so no he was better with Brady for that brief period

[@cowtown5363]

Yea Moss was a beast in Minnesota … I get what Colin is trying to say but it’s a bad analogy.. I don’t know why Colin marginalizes Moss constantly

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

@@toddymcgann5856 Randy Moss became the first, and ONLY, WR in NFL HISTORY to ever average 100+ Yards and 1+ TD for a 16 game NFL season. Rice never did that. And Moss did that in Minnesota (and without a HOF QB). Moss is the best WR in NFL history. In Minnesota he was A+++, in New England he was A++ (Moss at his best is better than any WR ever, including Rice).

[@CYE163]

i have never heard this guy ric bucher say anything new. i dont think even he knows what he's talking about. just a bunch of words.

[@dcdj35]

Ric been a Warriors hater since they bumped him off the beat in favor of other journalists. Tapes are out. Boston the better team? How? Where? They were lucky this went past 5 games.

[@AverageJoesAwesomeSlots]

like a bitter ex saying you suck at making love but begged for it 5 out of 7 days a week...

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

Tatum will NEVER be Kobe. Amazing player but he ain't Kobe. Kobe is the best player of his generation. Top 2 all time in my eyes.

[@ownthelibs]

Kobe shot under 40.04 percent in 5 of 7 finals. This ain’t the comparison u guys wanna make. Kobe was arguably worse in 2004 than Tatum was this past year. Sorry Tatum didn’t have prime Shaq for his first finals and could afford to average 14 points a game

[@Remy4722]

@@ownthelibs who cares he won the chips, y’all lookin at fg % lol that’s why ya tema don’t got rings like Kobe

[@mistadavis4336]

Randy Moss was the same dude in Minnesota

[@carlosgaleana11]

Duncan’s influence is in coaching. Without him there would be no “Pop’s Coaching Tree” or “Spurs Culture”

[@janrobertching8391]

He's a great player too I'd put prime duncan vs any big in their prime. Duncan will stand his ground

[@Runmikerun1onTube]

Steff changed the game. Go into any gym in America and everyone is trying to shoot 3’s. He is not only the best shooter we’ve seen, but he is equally good at drawing defensive players in and opening shots for other guys. The IQ on this team is now at a place to where if they are all healthy they don’t lose a 7 game series.

[@mitchelll3879]

Steph Curry changed the game...for the worst.. kids literally DO NOT know how to play basketball.. it's a bunch of 3's and a bunch of hooking, euro steps, shuffling..and nothing more..the nba with its blm chinese kneeling thugs suck as does the game and the entire league

[@MrDbrown30]

As most people will say too much talent is a good problem to have !

[@Criminal.Lawyer.2024]

Early in Steph Curry's career he was mainly a jump shooter. Now he has a mid-range and he attacks the basket. Curry put in the work to improve himself. Jayson Tatum needs to improve on attacking the basket, shooting free throws, and making quicker decisions.

[@darthbobo9445]

Randy Moss was the same player with Vikings. What a stupid analogy Colin.

[@pagey8143]

I had to pause the video on that one. Wtf kind of analogy was that?

[@jasonjanisewski78]

Colin is all about narratives. He didn't include Minn because it doesn't fit his narrative

[@antoinemclaurin6771]

Draymond and the entire warriors organization functions around Steph! Before Draymond was in his role, David Lee was there doing the same thing to get Steph and Klay open.

[@briancrum2655]

Tatum at 24 is doing way more than Kobe did at 24. Tatum led his team to the Finals as the primary scorer AND playmaker. KOBE WAS NEITHER OF THOSE FOR THE LAKERS AT AGE 24!!!

[@Keviekev115]

THANK you!!! people need to put respect on his name. Kobe had shaq, the MOST dominant player of an era. He was the sidekick to shaq…… Tatum is great and had a bad series, but averaged the same stats lebron had his first finals. These casual fans are weirddddd

[@briancrum2655]

@@Keviekev115 Yup they are weird. Would rather be negative than to admit Tatum is a very rare talent who's only gonna get better.

[@eddievangundy4510]

Love Bucher's intellect!

[@Vargumedo24]

That’s not fair against Steph. Cuz Jordan didn’t win without Scotty or Phil Jackson.

[@alfredmayes5005]

Golden State’s defense becomes smaller and more suspect with Poole starting at the 2 than with Klay. Plus, it’s typical that players coming off injuries don’t fully bounce until 18-24 months after the injury. Given Klay’s extended time away, I believe he’ll be better in year 2. Poole wants to get paid but is he really that good or is it the system and the players surrounding him? If I had to bet on it, I’d say the latter. It may be difficult to keep him but that opens it up for Moody and Kuminga, which gives the team more offensive and defensive flexibility. I like Poole but it may work out to let him leave to see how easy he had it.

[@williamdean4775]

Poole had 30 pt games In the playoffs. That's pressure... Poole is the real deal. I watched him play in a Pro-Am game. He was scorching guys. He is the real deal. Warriors pay the man and let him continue to develop into Steph's successor

[@bigben8502]

Another "top 10" list without Wilt smh

[@waikit828]

Rich Bucher is a well known Warriors hater since being let go. As a dubs fans, his opinion is always lopsided

[@bandoogiemanz]

Let go by who?

[@jayrichard2970]

Ric Bucheris gonna find a way to slight Steph. Him and Skip are hilarious. They can’t even compliment him without slighting him 😂

[@weejohnson7018]

legit wtf was this guy saying? Draymond is the reason Steph is able to play the way he does?? Ric is a cLOWN

[@zigzagwandering]

cuz bucher is a bitter clown who's from the bay but everyone hates him who knows him there lol

[@zigzagwandering]

@DR and mj had to jump out of the gym to finish and dunk like he did. your point is the screeners get the credit ?? lmfao

[@zigzagwandering]

@DR btw steph is also the best off the dribble shooter ever, by far. sooo..

[@doablefilms9380]

Ric's top 10 all time is perfect

[@walylama1672]

We don't claim Ric. Def not a "bay area guy".

[@generic5353]

4 teams in NBA history won a championship while beating a 50+ win teams in each round of the playoffs (1st - Finals). Kobe was on THREE of those (1 with Shaq, the other 2 with Pau). Kobe won when the conference was its best, and still won.

[@baldeagle4710]

Yup he had to go through duncan every single year pretty much, and still won 5 chips

[@trentwise3762]

Okay but you can make the same argument for players like Jordan, kobe, bird, magic when you say “steph changed the game because his teammates.” Yeah. You think Jordan would have won a championship if the bulls didn’t acquire pippin and Rodman? Probably not. Same with kobe and shaq.

[@Socamusicevolution]

My 10: Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlin, Dr. J, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Stephan Curry, Lebron James, Coby Bryant and Shaq O'Neil.

[@TheTurtlebot]

Passing the ball!???!?? Who woulda thought of that

[@user-ub3bv8gs5d]

Bucher gets a lot of heat for getting a lot of predictions wrong but he's always sound with his takes. makes rational/logical points

[@thadiuslindahl6282]

That are wrong

[@maniravsadhur8409]

I often hear him say grotesque things just for the sake of being antagonistic. I don't find him very interesting as a consequence.

[@SeanDaNerd]

Bill Russell changed the game. He invented the block.

[@1blackone]

I'm just some random joe and even I know Bucher is a pariah in the Bay Area Sports Scene and has held grudges with multiple Bay Area teams and players, some on the Warriors included. Take any of his "honest" takes with a BIG grain of salt.

[@maniravsadhur8409]

Pretty decent takes by Ric Bucher, for once.

[@brandonsantiago2298]

I absolutely love Rich Buchers top 10 and it’s order. 1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Magic 4. Russell 5. Kobe 6. Lebron 7. Hakeem 8. Bird 9. Duncan 10. Shaq I would swap Bill Russel with Bird. I’m of the mindset that sure Wilt and Russel dominated the league but a league with just 10 teams and fewer games, less competition. But Kobe is top 5 and Kobe’s better than Bron in my book.

[@tylertorosian9041]

How so

[@kimani4438]

I agree with Russell Westbrook at 4

[@brandonsantiago2298]

@@kimani4438 come on man. Obviously I’m taking about Bill Russel

[@cashsstylist2940]

Lebron at 6 is awful. People just do this now to be different.

[@arthurblack6356]

There is no way Kobe, Magic, or Russell is better than Lebron. Using what metric?

[@jeremymuir4332]

I think Golden State probably pay Poole, they probably don't pay anyone else. I'd love to see GPII back but it's been said he's looking for $15mil a year and Golden State just can't afford that. Kevin probably leaves for more money and we have Wiseman potentially to fill that role....

[@therock8138]

Ric Buchers arguements are shallow. All the top 10 players on his list had big time help on their championship teams. Its a team sport.

[@dsaturdayfwight7516]

Yea so why bring up championships at all this isn't tennis or golf where one person is responsible

[@12gark]

Colin: "Russell was part of the first dynasty" George Mikan: 👁️👄👁️

[@findmusic8797]

Top 12 scorers PPG of all time: 1. MJ 2. Wilt 3. Baylor 4. Durant 5. LeBron 6. West 7. Iverson 8. Pettit 9. Gervin 10. Oscar 11. Karl Malone 12. Bryant

[@jonathangeiger6115]

Boston could add a nice vet point guard, Conley would be perfect for them. They have a healthy Robert Williams and Smart with Taytum and JB along with Horford and Grant Williams and Pritchard etc. They need a facilitator..

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

They should get someone with experience in the finals.

[@ryananderson59]

I push back on the idea that the “old heads” on the warriors wouldn’t sacrifice and allow the young players to take over when that’s been their identity over the years and the main reason they’ve had sustained success.

[@occultsymbols]

They will definitely do it. Steph has even talked about it already. I fear that the young guns will leave before it's their turn to take over.

[@juliansearcie1758]

​@@occultsymbols nonsense..they are part of a great culture ..yeah leave and go go Houston or Minnesota .like teams makes no logical sense

[@occultsymbols]

@@juliansearcie1758 it's not nonsense sadly. I hope that they all stay. Warriors obviously have the best culture by far but there is still a good chance that some might leave for a bigger role and more money and I won't blame them one bit if they do.

[@johnbrowntheprophet]

Kobe was very subpar in his first NBA Finals, too. Kobe Bryant Stats: 2000 NBA Finals vs. the Indiana Pacers: Kobe’s Shooting Stats: Game 1 - 6-13 for 14 pts. Game 2 - 1-3 for 2 pts. Game 3 - DNP Game 4 - 14-27 for 28 pts. Game 5 - 4-20 for 8 pts. Game 6 - 8-27 for 26 pts. Totals: 33-90 (36.7% shooting) for 15.2 ppg. 2004 NBA Finals vs. the Detroit Pistons: Kobe’s Shooting Stats: Game 1 - 10-27 for 25 pts. Game 2 - 14-27 for 33 pts. Game 3 - 4-13 for 11 pts. Game 4 - 8-25 for 20 pts. Game 5 - 7-21 for 24 pts. Totals: 43-113 (38.0% shooting) for 22.6 ppg He was better in 2001 and in 2002, but those two years are bookended by two very poor performances in 2000 and in 2004.

[@andysauro1500]

IMO, Klay moving to the bench with Poole to start would increase Klay's resume if he starts stacking 6th man awards. Draymond will likely have the self-awareness to let Kuminga phase in over time when the young man is ready.

[@bobbyburtonphotography]

Don’t write Klay off yet. Hasn’t had a full season.

[@AMPSHORTS413]

Yea no . Klay hasn’t even had a full year and you tryna bench him already after everything he done sheeesh smh

[@andysauro1500]

Nothing I said wrote Klay off. He can even average more minutes than Poole. I think it would be great for his career resume to stack more accolades like 6th man. Even Manu was an allstar off the bench.

[@ryananderson59]

I understand where you coming from but a “6th man” award isn’t really stacking accolades if you could instead be starting. That’s more of an ultimate role player type award then something you’d use in a resume debate.

[@kjj2656]

oh so make the defense horrendous cool lol people

[@yralim7482]

thats a solid top 10 rick bucher list

[@rhlang11]

Bill Walton was important imho

[@TrickyGuySports]

Pretty much just lost all respect for Bucher here basically crediting DRAYMOND for Steph's greatness. 👌 👏

[@P420-i1e]

Steph would've still changed the game with no klay or draymond maybe no chips or 1 but game changer for sure u build around your star so he can do his thing and that's what warriors did for him built team for him to go off

[@Ottokash]

I like ric’s list actually

[@adminhonor7099]

We can't pay GPII and Porter due to the salary cap. We have to pay Wiggins, Poole and Looney no matter what.

[@ofaz6300]

I agree e Colin regarding how to evaluate de Top Ten list. Great Best who create impact

[@memmener]

Don't worry about Warriors spending money to keep guys they like. They signed Kelly Oubre to a contract that basically cost the team 80 mil extra for 1 year

[@occultsymbols]

Props to Joe lacob. He's a winner

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

Nobody expected Curry to be this amazing.

[@purplehoops]

What a lame take. Tim has Manu and Tony. These so called analysts can't accept the fact that a 6'3" guy can dominate and change the game.

[@Awsme_J]

Everybody tries to make the warriors have this issue of people wanting to step outside of their roles or they are going to want camping if dollars, what proof have we seen of that in the last 7,8 years they clearly have a system that players are ok with accepting certain roles to win with them

[@blicleak1101]

Let me guess: The orange man hated on Steph passive aggressively?

[@tigera6]

you got it.

[@michaelrobinson3734]

The best and most fair analyst on ESPN or FS1. He doesn't placate to the companies narrative of it has to be all about LeBron James while dissing Kobe. He has Kobe in his top 5 and the world knows its true

[@jasonjanisewski78]

There is nothing to indicate Kobe should be Top 5. 3 of his Titles he was Robin to Shaq's Batman. A 4th Finals he was awful in Gamec 7. He was a disastercagainst the Pistons and lost them that Series. None of his stats indicate Top 5 Caliber either

[@jbutz26]

Ask any player which obviously You can’t do but I promise there r hundreds of vids on KZbin showing players opinions n haven’t found one player that says Kobe is one of the goats

[@kevinchavis2755]

@@jasonjanisewski78 stop with that storyline. Let that go, you go by a players sustained peak in which that makes Kobe in the convo for the best player ever.

[@MrKobe2011]

@@jasonjanisewski78 Well I’m the end Shaq finished with 4 rings and Kobe with 5. Shaq had prime D Wade so what’s the excuse?

[@jasonjanisewski78]

@@kevinchavis2755 That is just wrong. When comparing Best Players ever, you go only by how high they peaked. How long they sustained it is not even considered. Best Player list is like Space Jam criteria where if the fate of the Earth was on the line for 1 Game, who would you most want. This is why Bill Walton is above Kobe-he had a higher peak. This is why Shaq is far above Kobe and even GIannis is above Kobe. Give me any Kobe season of your choice and I will find a better Giannis season. You might be happy with the Frank Gore types who play for 1 million years and stat compile. Terrell Davis was far, far superior

[@justindwarika2523]

Bucher might have to be drug tested for this one. Saying Draymond Green made Steph is like saying Horace Grant made Michael Jordan. Green is good but would he really be a Hall of Fame contender if he didn't play if he didn't with Steph. Everyone who plays with Steph always play better than they did or would with other teams. Do you reall think it's a coincidence that KD, Wiggins, D'Angelo Russell all played best when playing with Steph? C'mon.

[@t42891]

my question is how many of these backup pieces will become duds once they leave the system? Just like the spurs' system, gary neal / marco belinelli of the world become nobodies once again once they leave the team

[@brownosarenkhoe3755]

Woww so now the warriors changed the game? What a stupid analogy. We dont do this with MJ Magic bird they all changed the game too. People applauded them.

[@priztucker]

I've lost respect for Bucher after his Curry take. The factors leading to Steph being what he is... is a given. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman🤷‍♂️

[@samueljlarson]

Hakeem is one of the most incredible basketball players we have ever seen. Crazy he doesn't get more mention as an all time great. Glad he was brought up here.

[@jorgegamboa5821]

He's an all time great, but I don't think he's top 10. The main difference between him and Karl Malone is that Hakeem never ran into Jordan in the finals. Had Jordan not retired in '93, I believe Hakeem would be ringless just like Malone and Barkley.

[@samueljlarson]

@@jorgegamboa5821 You do realize that Mj is quoted saying that he feared Hakeem and the Rockets and in regard to your statement, Hakeem's Rockets are one of the only teams to have a winning record against the 90's Bulls.

[@ronaldclark3128]

I was listening then Ric Bucher proved why he isn't a major voice anymore. Steph is the system. Not the other way around. If he can't see that, I can't listen.

[@lukes9192]

I don't think the dubs care about the tax, they haven't this whole run. And I don't think that'll change their inability to sign new people with how far over they are anyways, unless they do something really dramatic like letting Wiggins walk. If they want to save on tax when time comes to pay their young guys or keeping older ones, Klay and Dray have to take less on their next contracts, simple as that. They're getting older, they've got their bags, they see guys like poole and Wiggins stepping up in the playoffs at a young age and guys like Kuminga and Moody looking great I'm the regular season, their roles are going to lessen as their contracts age, especially in the reg season, they'd need to take that Tom Brady team discount so other guys can get more.with less tax impact, simple as that. If they don't they might have to pray the front office stays as sharp as they have.

[@joemwaura9895]

I never listen to Ric if he’s talking about the warriors